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00:00:18Good morning, we have a news update for 10 AM. The mayor
00:00:22of Kfar Saba, Refi Saar, is the main suspect in the corruption
00:00:26case in the center. Hadass Greenberg joins us on the line with all the details about what happened.
00:00:31A serious corruption case. Yes,
00:00:34hello, yes, we are talking about a new corruption case that was uncovered today by Yahav,
00:00:37in which the mayor of Kfar Saba, Refi Sa'ar, Yatom, the CEO
00:00:41of the economic company, public figures and businessmen were arrested, a total of 17
00:00:44detainees. We are talking about a covert investigation that began a year
00:00:48ago, during which it emerged that tenders in the municipality operated in a bribery relationship
00:00:51in almost every possible field, tenders that were rigged,
00:00:55for associates, businessmen, also criminals, and in return for the mayor's
00:00:58power, he received money in cash in packages.
00:01:02These tenders dealt with almost everything, from projects for renovating educational institutions, entertainment
00:01:06complexes, urban renewal and more. We are talking about a bribery amount
00:01:10estimated at millions. Hundreds of thousands
00:01:12of shekels were seized at the mayor's house. We are talking about
00:01:16events that allegedly occurred from 2019, a year after
00:01:19Mayor Safir was elected to his position. The suspicions are bribery,
00:01:23fraud, breach of trust and money laundering. Today at noon, all
00:01:27the suspects will be brought for an extension of their detention.
00:01:30And, thank you very much, we are 15 days before the elections. The head of Yisrael Beiteinu,
00:01:34Avigdor Lieberman, says on Kan News on Reshet Bet that he is not worried
00:01:38about the Kan News poll that indicates a change in the blocs, actually
00:01:41Netanyahu's bloc is the leading bloc
00:01:44now. He also said that the bloc of draft dodgers has no chance
00:01:48of forming the next government. In an interview with Keren Ozen,
00:01:51Lieberman also referred to Naftali Bennett's comments yesterday that Netanyahu
00:01:55in the government, here
00:01:58Netanyahu will not be in the government. Also as Minister
00:02:01for Regional Cooperation, period, he just won't be there,
00:02:05and therefore there will be no parties, neither Arab nor
00:02:08Haredi, and I tell you, in the other parties, the bloc
00:02:11of servants, we will bring a solid majority, especially now
00:02:14this tension actually gives motivation
00:02:18and adrenaline to the bloc
00:02:20of servants.
00:02:23The IDF plans to significantly reduce the presence of
00:02:27forces in the Gaza envelope communities immediately after the elections. This is an exclusive report by
00:02:30Itay Blumenthal, military and security reporter. As of October
00:02:3329, reserve soldiers will only be stationed
00:02:37in communities located up to four kilometers from the border.
00:02:40In the other communities, security will rely solely on
00:02:44standby units and security coordinators. Dozens of reservists will be released.
00:02:48In the envelope, there are concerns about harm to residents' security, claiming they were not consulted
00:02:52about the decision. The IDF states that security coordinators will be able to
00:02:55recruit fighters according to
00:02:57the standard.
00:03:00Two schools in Kiryat Ata did not open today due to
00:03:03unusual concentrations of benzene, a carcinogen,
00:03:07measured near the refinery complex. The students were moved
00:03:10to alternative buildings. The Ministry of Health recommends
00:03:13that residents within a one-kilometer radius of the complex, especially
00:03:16children and pregnant women, avoid
00:03:19spending time outdoors. The anomalies were measured due to
00:03:22maintenance and rehabilitation work on war damages. The Ministry of Environmental
00:03:26Protection ordered the work to be stopped until the incident
00:03:30is clarified.
00:03:32Despite the storm and the opposition of the heads of the Hesder yeshivas, the pilot
00:03:36for integrating women into maneuvering armor will begin next
00:03:40month. We turn to you, Roi Sharon, our analyst, you are publishing
00:03:42the details. Yes, the November 26 draft
00:03:46will begin in about a month, and with it the pilot for women in maneuvering
00:03:50armor. This is different, of course, from the female tank crews
00:03:54who have long been fighting on the Egyptian border. This time it's about
00:03:57maneuvering armor, 100 female candidates.
00:04:05For this course, we remind you that a few months ago dozens of heads of Hesder yeshivas wrote
00:04:08a letter to the Chief of Staff saying that if he did not cancel this pilot, they would forbid
00:04:11their students from enlisting in the Armored Corps.
00:04:15After that, the Chief of Staff instructed that they would do their training at a different base, not
00:04:19at the same base together with the men, and another instruction
00:04:22in this pilot is that it's about the same operational
00:04:26threshold, the same operational purpose as the men, and therefore the threshold in training
00:04:30must be the same threshold, and therefore the chances of success
00:04:33of this pilot are much more of a question mark
00:04:37than the other pilots. In any case,
00:04:40the pilot is expected to begin next month
00:04:43with 50 new female recruits.
00:05:49Good morning to you, good morning, elections soon, oh, we're so
00:05:52excited, good morning, and everyone here is so
00:05:56agitated, and we have such a plan, you're going, I don't
00:05:59know, no, no, you will finish this program differently
00:06:02than you started it, absolutely. Good month also, as you see,
00:06:06I dressed in white, winter has begun, the month of Cheshvan begins
00:06:10today, Rosh Chodesh Cheshvan, today is Rosh Chodesh. What do we do special
00:06:13for it? We say and will vote? I am in favor
00:06:17we pray. Do you want to give us a small taste? No,
00:06:20that's me after I already understood every
00:06:24morning, every morning, yes, I pray every
00:06:26morning. Beautiful, beautiful, we are happy
00:06:30I can share with you after the Simchat
00:06:33Cheshvan, it weighs on my heart. What
00:06:36weighs on you? We are not yet brothers, but I
00:06:40already have one program behind me. My heart is heavy
00:06:43with me. Listen, there was the program with Bennett, okay,
00:06:47there were all sorts of buzz around it, and Netanyahu
00:06:50even shared a moment from it, and wherever
00:06:54I go, people are not happy, like,
00:06:57yesterday I got stuck in Tel Aviv, I filmed something,
00:07:00you were too soft with him,
00:07:03oh, you don't hear the answers, you're always
00:07:07talking, oh, if you leave Tel Aviv, why
00:07:10are you campaigning for them? Why are you this? Now, I'll tell
00:07:14you, like, neither side is happy, and I'm not
00:07:17okay. And I just want to say
00:07:20in parentheses that I really wanted to bring to the meeting, we interview
00:07:23politicians reasonably at a meeting before the elections
00:07:27started, I promise from the moment there are elections, no politician
00:07:31will enter this program, we'll try. It's worth it.
00:07:35But we approached many politicians from the right side of
00:07:38the map. First of all, you had some who were not yet
00:07:41politicians. You know, you look back, you have Yaakov
00:07:45Bardugo came to you when he was a media person, and Galit Distel, that was already
00:07:49when she was a politician, she was already a politician. Galit was then, but I don't
00:07:52remember which. After all, she had so many soul-searching moments
00:07:56then, so I don't remember which side of the soul-searching she was on, but she was
00:08:00fascinating, a fascinating woman. But now after
00:08:03Miri Regev and after some
00:08:05politicians were called all sorts of things
00:08:08on the program, so suddenly there is no politician.
00:08:12Dry, I want to say, they say
00:08:15you, they're campaigning, so we brought from the center, we brought
00:08:19from the left, I want a senior right-wing person, and the senior
00:08:22people we approached don't want to come, so first of all I ask
00:08:25you why, and second, you are their friend, no, you can arrange
00:08:29it for me, we'll try, we'll try, we'll work on it.
00:08:33Ahman said you're like
00:08:36a settler, first of all, but also, you know, at the end of the day, a political
00:08:39correspondent, everyone comes to you, like, I want to feel the pulse. Say you want
00:08:43to get someone for an interview, everyone comes, I want to know if it's me.
00:08:46Maybe the Corporation, they say we're not coming to the Corporation, we're only going to Channel
00:08:5014. Maybe it's some kind of boycott in conversations. Everyone comes to me all the time and tells me,
00:08:54sure, we'll give an interview, just not this week, let's talk next week, and it's
00:08:58only from one side or from them? No, no, quite sweepingly
00:09:02until, you know, eventually they manage to break through here and there, so maybe it's related
00:09:05to something else, that they are all afraid of last-minute slips of the tongue
00:09:09or something like that. Yes, I think that, let's say, they are
00:09:12much more prepared for the platforms they go to. You
00:09:16see that they choose very carefully, meaning each one chooses very few
00:09:20platforms that have high exposure relatively, where they can come
00:09:23and prepare. You know, every politician who comes, for
00:09:26example, to a program like this, the number of simulations he
00:09:29does beforehand, certainly, of course, they sit for four or five
00:09:33hours beforehand with the spokesperson, and he asks them all the questions you wouldn't
00:09:37even imagine asking, so that they don't encounter any problems, and when he doesn't answer well, they ask
00:09:41again very carefully. To make sure he repeats the good answer. What tip
00:09:44would you give me to get a senior right-wing politician
00:09:47for my program? Do you have a tip?
00:09:51Because I'm not that kind of person, you know, if people look at all the 1200
00:09:55programs we filmed for the meeting, I think that the most aggressive
00:09:58among them were actually with politicians from the center-left, that's how
00:10:02it turned out. Not because of an opinion, because I did my journalistic work and those
00:10:06people came when it was their turn to be scrutinized. I'll tell you what works
00:10:09for me? Okay? What works for me is that I maintain my relationships
00:10:13even when I don't need them, meaning, I'm with them, even now, today,
00:10:17politicians who may be former or those who are not relevant now
00:10:21in the discourse, I also maintain a relationship with them. Silman.
00:10:30taste on what is happening, on who is interesting, on what, but I'm a political
00:10:34correspondent, you know, in the end it's really not an example. There's always where not, like, a feeling
00:10:38of what, what do you tell them, what do you say about it, and then
00:10:41when it's interesting, you know, I was already in, I didn't suddenly
00:10:44remember them when they were in a big position, just
00:10:48when I need them. Well, that's a tip for people in general,
00:10:51always, yes, be friends always, not just in the trenches. Ah.
00:11:09What, what, what's the problem? I don't understand the problem. What, what
00:11:13do we prefer? More boycotts and more
00:11:16government, an extremist government of one side? Netanyahu
00:11:20cannot be a minister in any government. You know, the first problem is
00:11:23really on a practical, legal level. How everyone, how they latched onto him
00:11:26like, and also how he retracted his statement, what
00:11:30is the legal problem, not legal. Netanyahu cannot be okay. Uh, he cannot
00:11:34because there is an indictment against him, so until the trial ends, Netanyahu can
00:11:37only be either prime minister or some other position, unless there are any changes in the law, but that's not
00:11:41the problem of Bennett's partners to the body. You know,
00:11:45in their opinion, Netanyahu is a persona non grata. They are conducting
00:11:49everything that has been happening here in the last year, this election campaign is to move
00:11:52him aside, you know.
00:11:58I once sat with a very senior politician
00:12:01in a background meeting, I don't remember if it was a politician or a very
00:12:05smart media person from the right side of the map, he told me, Ronnie, you don't
00:12:08understand, when they boycott Netanyahu, they boycott
00:12:12his voters. His voters feel that they are being boycotted,
00:12:15and that really made me think. I'm not going into the legal
00:12:18issue now, and of course the legal issue is the most important of all. He cannot
00:12:22be a minister, he cannot be a minister, but I
00:12:25think that boycotts have not led us to a good place, you
00:12:29know, in the end, when you look at really ideological
00:12:31differences, if you really look at worldviews for a moment, you ask everyone
00:12:35to ignore the political map and just formulate their worldviews
00:12:38on security, economy, politics, more or less
00:12:42there are something like 70, 80 mandates that are almost identical,
00:12:45and you know, that's what the unity people always say, that they
00:12:48could have sat together, let's say, the most right-wing marker usually
00:12:52includes Smotrich here, meaning the. You really
00:12:58look
00:13:02at the situation, the political differences are not great, certainly
00:13:06with Lieberman and Bennett, but also Gantz, in the end, the differences
00:13:09in almost everything are not great. The real central question is, a)
00:13:13Netanyahu or not Netanyahu, and they are your partners, whether you go with them or
00:13:16with them, and that's what all sorts of movements are trying to say now
00:13:20with this message of "I want a national unity government." There's always enormous
00:13:24support when you ask. Unity, the numbers are quite high,
00:13:28but it doesn't translate into mandates. Gila Gamliel, who tried to bring it, didn't succeed. Benny Gantz, who tried to bring
00:13:31it, didn't succeed. Yoaz Hendel is floundering, and that's not exactly his message. That is,
00:13:35you see that every time a movement arises that tries to eventually bring
00:13:39it to practice, this message doesn't really attract voters. Okay, so this
00:13:42is an excellent opportunity to join
00:13:45us, ah,
00:13:48then the prices of
00:13:52the party of Yesh Atid, ah...
00:13:55Yoav Horowitz, head of the 100-day team of
00:13:57Eizenkot, who was formerly
00:14:00the Director-General of the Prime Minister's Office, the Director-General of the Prime Minister's Office, Chief of Staff,
00:14:04meaning the man who crossed the lines big time,
00:14:08completely, meaning not only crossed the lines, he really was also one of the closest
00:14:11to Netanyahu. Chief of Staff is the one who brings and takes, he is the man who knows
00:14:15everything, who is there in the biggest moments, and then suddenly, in the night of Galant, or a little after that,
00:14:19we saw him coming to protests, meaning we understood that he had crossed the Rubicon
00:14:22in recent years, and now in the last
00:14:25election campaign, Yoav Orlovitz joins Gadi
00:14:28Eisenkot. Hello Yoav Orlovitz,
00:14:31hello, good morning. The 100-day team of Eizenkot. By the way, Shahar
00:14:35here said that the moment you
00:14:39publicly crossed the Rubicon was on the night
00:14:42of Galant. There was some kind of protest, I'm not sure, but tell us
00:14:46when No,
00:14:50I finished my role with Netanyahu,
00:14:53we actually parted ways at the end of 2000. In 2019, at the end of
00:14:562019, I published, I'm saving you
00:14:59a question, because it's usually asked, I published
00:15:02that I see a disaster approaching,
00:15:05that Netanyahu will bring disaster upon the State of Israel.
00:15:08Afterwards, I published another article, because
00:15:12I come from the right and from the settlements, so I said
00:15:16that when the judicial revolution began, I said
00:15:19that everything that was happening would first and foremost harm
00:15:22the settlements, because the settlements. Essentially
00:15:25lost their Iron Dome from the rule of law in the State
00:15:28of Israel. And I stood up and stood with pride and demonstrated
00:15:32with pride in the demonstrations against
00:15:36the revolution. Judiciary
00:15:39And then it happened, we rolled as we all
00:15:43rolled, and October 7th came, three
00:15:46builders, Roi in the north, Migad
00:15:49in the north, Dan Milvik of the paratroopers
00:15:52in Khan Yunis, and Gilad
00:15:54in a combat course in armor in the West Bank, they started fighting
00:15:58in the highest friction and all of
00:16:01them, all three of them started fighting after October 7th.
00:16:05All three of them and that's when my life and the life of all the people of Israel
00:16:08changed completely. That is, if I had to,
00:16:12not that I was looking for it, I hoped I was wrong, but
00:16:16I understood, I understood,
00:16:18that Netanyahu and Netanyahu's government, and its
00:16:22conduct, were bringing disaster upon us. So all those who ask
00:16:25why didn't you speak, maybe that's what I wanted to ask,
00:16:28go to the archive and you'll see me also at the end of 2019
00:16:32and also in the judicial revolution and also in the articles,
00:16:36true, I didn't appear too much.
00:16:38How many years were you, how many years were you with Netanyahu?
00:16:42I was in office for over three years, both Chief of Staff and Director General
00:16:46in the last year, but I've known Netanyahu for many, many years
00:16:48back. More than that, you weren't just
00:16:52there, you know, in the end, Chief of Staff, people, for those who don't understand, he's the closest
00:16:56person, the one who brings and takes. I really remember you, the person who goes with
00:16:59Netanyahu everywhere, truly from the inside, and I think there's one main
00:17:03difference between you and all the other people who crossed the Rubicon back
00:17:06then, which is that you did it later, meaning in your time, there were already
00:17:10the events of Nir Hefetz and all those people
00:17:13who left Netanyahu, Ronnie Mano and all sorts of people like that who were very close and went
00:17:17against him, and you were there then and afterwards you were, what's called, the second
00:17:21wave, you could call it that. I don't agree with you. I'll
00:17:24explain. I then there was a process. This
00:17:28thing was a process that started
00:17:30for me about a year, a year and a half after
00:17:34I started to understand that Netanyahu was not putting
00:17:37the country first. The court case started,
00:17:4060%, 70% of the time was spent dealing with
00:17:44lawyers, and many other things, interventions from home and so
00:17:47on, and I understood that this was going
00:17:51to a bad place. The country was not first, the person
00:17:54and his survival were first. He told me countless
00:17:58times, if I'm not here, there's nothing here, but, but
00:18:01you know, when I was in office, I went to be Chief of
00:18:05Staff for the Prime Minister of Israel. And Director General of
00:18:09the Prime Minister's Office of the State
00:18:12of Israel. And for me,
00:18:15the values I grew up with are what guided me, and now
00:18:18there's a process, a process where you understand time after time after time until you
00:18:22realize you're not in the right place, and even then it takes time, because I actually fulfilled
00:18:26a central role, I helped many people,
00:18:29I did many good things, and you can't just get up, leave everything and go.
00:18:33Really, until it's a process, and that process took time.
00:18:37It didn't happen overnight, but yes, I was exposed to many
00:18:41things, and little by little I understood that he wasn't good for me and I
00:18:44wasn't good for him. Tell me, what now, you are, of course, as we said, the head
00:18:48of Eizenkot's 100-day team. We'll talk about your situation
00:18:51now. In what
00:18:54way, from the impression I got when I met Eizenkot, he is really 100% different
00:18:58from Netanyahu, for better or worse, for better
00:19:01or worse. For you, this is certainly a dramatic
00:19:05change, wait before you. He only talks about something different
00:19:08for the better, okay? But this is a completely different persona,
00:19:12and if we're now in a campaign,
00:19:16it's certainly much, much weaker in everything related
00:19:19to the campaign. So I thank you for
00:19:23that question, first of all, because you have to tell the truth, I
00:19:26joined Gadi Eizenkot, I knew him as Chief of Staff,
00:19:30then along the way we maintained a good relationship, we are not friends, but
00:19:34I learned to know him well. I joined him
00:19:37to Gadi. To fulfill a dream, so that
00:19:40my sons and grandchildren will say
00:19:43with pride, this is my Prime Minister, a serious and honest leader
00:19:46and not a salesman and an influence agent, this is a leader
00:19:50who takes responsibility and not one who shirks responsibility, a leader
00:19:54who sanctifies personal example, a leader who puts the good of the state first
00:19:57and not his survival, a leader who walks
00:20:00straight and speaks, but I have to tell you, just a second,
00:20:03Yoav, Yoav, just a second,
00:20:07This
00:20:25is the game, and okay, call it a marketing agent, call it
00:20:28whatever you want, right now the most
00:20:31important thing is to run a campaign, to set an
00:20:35agenda, to excite people.
00:20:38And it seems that you have somewhat lost momentum or
00:20:41are stuck or you are stuck at best or you are in some kind of
00:20:45retreat, the polls also say that, not Shahar, yes,
00:20:49in the end you look. The campaign,
00:20:58you know, I, I completely disagree
00:21:01with both of you. A campaign,
00:21:04for me, life is not a campaign. Life is
00:21:08taking responsibility. When the Chief of Staff comes and says that he needs 15,000 soldiers
00:21:12and the Prime Minister
00:21:14makes alliances with draft dodgers, when Rabbi Landau, the number one leader, but what does he
00:21:18do, make alliances with draft dodgers? No, no, no, no, let me finish, let me
00:21:22finish, please, when Rabbi Landau, the number one person, says about
00:21:25the soldiers of religious Zionism who fall in war, they are killed because
00:21:29their rabbis teach them a distorted Torah, and he says we can live
00:21:32without a state with the Arabs, and about the Zionist movement, he says, they
00:21:36brought the disasters, the material and not the spiritual disasters, and about
00:21:39the army, he says we don't need an army, and this person is
00:21:42Benjamin Netanyahu's partner, and you tell me
00:21:45campaign, the Chief of Staff raises a flag, we are before
00:21:48October 7th.
00:21:51I want you to understand, I am not, by the way, I am not going to be political, but why are you
00:21:54angry at us? We can be angry at you. What you
00:21:58say, if what you say is true, then the most important thing
00:22:01is for you to succeed, but in the meantime, it seems you are not doing a good enough job.
00:22:05Shahar and I are not running your campaign, it's
00:22:08you. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not angry
00:22:12at you, I'm speaking from, Yoav, it's clear to me that you're speaking
00:22:15from the heart. For example, read what Raviv Drucker writes today
00:22:19in Haaretz, that your campaign is quiet,
00:22:22almost paralyzed, that Eizenkot is not seen enough, he
00:22:26asks why Yoram Cohen is not
00:22:30in all the studios, he writes, for example,
00:22:32Drucker, and he has a point, in my
00:22:35opinion, that two things happened to you that you could have exploited
00:22:38greatly: the Fly Dubai flight and the Haredi
00:22:41demonstration, and somehow there's no sense
00:22:45of momentum. We are campaigning, look, look. So I'll answer
00:22:49you, please. We, first of all, I'm not, again, I
00:22:52say, I joined Gadi, I manage
00:22:56the head of the 100-day team. I didn't ask not to be a member and not
00:22:59to be
00:23:01a minister and not to be a politician and not to be on the list. Gadi is crisscrossing
00:23:05the country, Gadi is in every,
00:23:08in every poll, he leads
00:23:12in suitability for prime minister. True, we've reached the final
00:23:15stretch, true, the last two weeks,
00:23:18and especially election day. It's a day when everyone needs
00:23:22to come out, and I say, I tell you, and I also tell
00:23:26your many listeners, the State of Israel
00:23:29is breathing its last with this collection of
00:23:32Netanyahu and Goldknopf and Rabbi Landau and Gotlieb
00:23:36and Ben-Gvir. We will find them again, the State of Israel
00:23:40is standing and breathing its last. Now
00:23:42we, we are doing our best,
00:23:46Gadi is crisscrossing the country, appearing at three, four
00:23:50locations every day and so on. We are aware
00:23:52that we need to crisscross the country
00:23:56in the last two weeks, to be as precise as possible,
00:24:00as pointed as possible, but Yoav, you are really talking about what you want to do afterwards, you are the head of the 100-day
00:24:03team, and also the starting point is,
00:24:07let's say, the discourse in the political system, you might confirm and explain to us that
00:24:11you don't want to be a minister or an MP, but you do aspire to a professional role
00:24:15there, meaning to be Director General of the Prime Minister's Office or Cabinet Secretary or some other
00:24:18truly managerial role in practice afterwards. And you
00:24:22are really looking ahead, let's say. There is a claim
00:24:25that the reason you are in negative momentum, really, as Ronnie said
00:24:28earlier, is this lack of experience in campaigns, and you say life is not just a campaign,
00:24:32but Eizenkot also has no ministerial experience, he was never
00:24:36a minister, he was not in contact, meaning he was a minister without any role or portfolio,
00:24:39he was never really in contact with the American administration at any stage
00:24:42there, he was not in the Knesset for any term where he was just
00:24:46an MK, you are simply mistaken and misleading. Why, then I'll start, then
00:24:56first of all, he showed great political skill.
00:25:00He arranged the bloc in such a way that the bloc is going in such a way that there are no
00:25:03parties that
00:25:06are likely and likely to be
00:25:09under the threshold.
00:25:13And yes, Benny Gantz, Benny Gantz
00:25:16by half a percent, a phenomenon that is more of a psychological phenomenon.
00:25:28What does that mean, "treating"? Is there a chance that somehow you will bring
00:25:31him down and he will join you in some way? I
00:25:35don't, so again, I, you interview me and I gladly give an interview.
00:25:39I don't deal with that. I do know
00:25:42that Benny Gantz said in his own words that he will not
00:25:45risk votes for change, but I want to touch on
00:25:49one point. The point of experience, yes,
00:25:52yes, yes, look, I don't
00:25:55want, I don't want Netanyahu's experience, and I don't
00:25:58want Kish's experience, and I don't want Ben-Gvir's experience, and
00:26:02I don't want Yisrael Katz's experience. I
00:26:05want something, the people of Israel want change, the people of Israel, this
00:26:09experience brought upon us
00:26:11October 7th. That's the experience, people want something
00:26:15new, Benny Gantz was
00:26:18saying, yes, but don't you think there's importance to some kind of experience,
00:26:22Gadi Eizenkot, Gadi Eizenkot no, Gadi Eizenkot was
00:26:26Chief of Staff, 40-something years in the army,
00:26:29ah, member of the Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee, he established.
00:26:45So I'm explaining to you that when the people of Israel want change, the people of Israel want something new, the people of Israel don't want
00:26:49the same people who brought disaster upon them. The people of Israel want
00:26:52people who claim, "Look, no problem, we don't want Netanyahu, bring us
00:26:56someone who was," Lieberman who was a security minister, Bennett who was prime
00:26:59minister, Lapid who was prime minister, meaning your side also claims.
00:27:04What do you mean "claims"? What do you mean "claims"? Gadi Eizenkot
00:27:08has been leading the bloc for several
00:27:12months now. If people thought that Avigdor
00:27:15Lieberman or Naftali Bennett or Yair Lapid
00:27:18should be prime minister, you would see that in the polls. They don't want
00:27:22them. They want and therefore, and therefore it's
00:27:25far-fetched. People want Gadi Eizenkot. People want
00:27:29change. Okay, I want to ask you about the uproar that happened
00:27:33in Bennett's camp about his statement. It seems to me it was yesterday
00:27:36that Netanyahu can be a minister in the next government
00:27:40that you will form. Why is that an impossible
00:27:43and illogical option
00:27:45for you? After all, it's possible that in the end, the only option
00:27:49will be a unity government. Is that something
00:27:53you completely rule out? I'll say, I'm asking this,
00:27:57I'm asking this, just a second, Yoav, I'm asking from a place where I think many
00:28:00people are already tired
00:28:02of boycotts. Ah, first of all,
00:28:05technically it's impossible, but
00:28:08I, I'll address it substantively. Technically, he cannot
00:28:12be, because of the legal issue, but I
00:28:14didn't join Gadi
00:28:16Eizenkot to meet Bibi
00:28:20again, not as a minister, not as a deputy minister, he
00:28:23is not. minister.
00:28:26responsible for the October disaster, he
00:28:29is responsible for the biggest disaster that happened in the country.
00:28:49There is a change bloc that will form the next government. I am much more
00:28:53optimistic than you. I see the trends. The one
00:28:56who will form the next government is Gadi Eisenkot
00:29:00and the parties of the change bloc. They will get more
00:29:04than 61 seats. You know, you sound exactly like your
00:29:08former friends, Likud spokesmen who come and say
00:29:11these lies are an absolute lie and everything is fine. We
00:29:15will get
00:29:1664.
00:29:19In the end, in practice, it doesn't converge. Right now you are sitting
00:29:23and telling us, look, Netanyahu has these partners
00:29:26along with Goulkanov, he helps draft dodgers and so on, but
00:29:30you also need to form a government for all of it. You will need
00:29:33Ra'am. Your partners have complexities
00:29:36with them. Currently, according to the numbers, it seems you will also need the Joint
00:29:39List. I remind you that in the change government, this created
00:29:43quite a few problems when Ra'am was the most moderate party
00:29:45there. So you certainly
00:29:49heard, I will repeat, the partners in the government
00:29:53will be those who want a Zionist, Jewish
00:29:57and liberal Israel, who believe in the values of the Declaration
00:29:59of Independence,
00:30:02in the army and know that Hamas,
00:30:06Hamas must be destroyed. This does not converge to these
00:30:09numbers. Listen, I am telling you, in life there are
00:30:12values. These are the people, the people who stand
00:30:16behind these four principles are the ones who will be. By the way,
00:30:20the Haredi community that is with Netanyahu is not
00:30:23Zionist in this context. What is that? What are
00:30:27those? Most of the Haredi
00:30:30Knesset members served in the army.
00:31:15what is it called? So I'll tell you, I
00:31:18recommend to the guys from the Likud
00:31:21to look closely, search closely in their pockets and look closely to the right
00:31:25and left. I am in contact with quite a few Knesset members
00:31:28from the Likud, I come from the Likud, I come from the right, also now you are
00:31:31in contact, so that they don't build in contact all the time, all the time, wait,
00:31:35here comes a headline and there are already candidates, there are already
00:31:37ah, there are, there are, I recommend to them,
00:31:40I recommend to them to check their people very well,
00:31:44but'.
00:32:15It wouldn't have happened, but again I ask why, why? Because I
00:32:19look, you know, also the partners, it's not just the Likud, also your partners
00:32:22in the bloc, you know that picture that was spread of
00:32:25the Yisrael Beiteinu party list when they replace some people
00:32:29in the picture of Idit Silman claiming they are
00:32:32the Silmans,
00:32:35that's contemptible in my opinion, why? Because
00:32:39those people you're talking about
00:32:42are exactly the people.
00:32:45that we want in the change government.
00:32:49What are we, what are we looking for? I am actually looking for Matan Kahana
00:32:52and Yosef Peretz and Elazar Stern and Shira
00:32:56and we are looking exactly,
00:32:59yourselves somehow there is some they signed something, they promised they would
00:33:03resign, the understanding, you know, Gadi Eisenkot is a leader,
00:33:07the understanding and the promise
00:33:10of all, all the future Knesset members, that if there is
00:33:14someone who can't live with certain
00:33:17things, he hands in his keys, he resigns from the Knesset, he doesn't take the
00:33:20mandate. Did they sign an agreement or is it an oral
00:33:24understanding, Roni, Roni, we, I learned in life, I come
00:33:27from business, no paper, no paper, it's not worth it, if it's not
00:33:31believed in. We shake hands
00:33:34with Gadi Eisenkot, and tell him, give him this promise, that if
00:33:37something doesn't look right, they get up and leave, and don't take
00:33:40the mandate. I think that's the answer. By the way, one more question,
00:33:44Ben. Really, before the end, we talked about this throughout the week, all the time
00:33:47there are these fears of escalations with Iran and how this whole thing is handled
00:33:51and the midterm elections in the United States. Are you in touch with the American
00:33:54administration? Is Gadi in touch with the American administration
00:33:57in preparation for such a possibility of your government
00:34:01suddenly having no choice and we have to strike them right before
00:34:04the elections? So, I don't, I don't
00:34:08deal with politics like that, and I'm not the
00:34:11person to ask. Gadi Eisenkot, by the way, has,
00:34:15as far as I know, excellent connections with the American
00:34:18administration, also as a former
00:34:20Chief of Staff.
00:34:23But, but, but you gave me a question. I
00:34:25want to, and also and also the head of the team is
00:34:29in good contact with, with very good contact. What exactly
00:34:33was done, who said what to whom and when these days, I'm not the person to ask
00:34:36him. Okay, well, that was very interesting. Yoav Horovitz, thank you very much
00:34:40for this conversation, head of the 100 days team of Yisrael
00:34:44Beiteinu, former CEO.
00:34:47Ah, thank you, thank
00:38:10in a special memorial project for those who fell
00:38:13and were murdered in the Iron Swords
00:38:16War. Linor Kinan always wanted
00:38:19to experience everything from everything. Already from childhood, she
00:38:22filled her life with friends, with experiences, with laughter
00:38:25and with joy, as if she knew that she shouldn't miss a single
00:38:28moment. Everywhere she went, her presence
00:38:32was immediately felt. She was the heart of the group, and when she
00:38:36was around, everything came to life. After
00:38:39the army, Linor fulfilled her dream and went on a big trip
00:38:43to South America. She fell in love with the beaches, the parties
00:38:46and especially with the friends she met along the way. When she returned
00:38:50to Israel, she already started planning the next chapter
00:38:53of her life, to study and become a nutritional coach.
00:38:57On October 7th, she came to the Nova party to meet her friends
00:39:01from the trip again. As she tried to escape the inferno with
00:39:05her friends, they took shelter in a reinforced shelter at the entrance to Kibbutz
00:39:08Be'eri, where she lost her life, and with it
00:39:12all the dreams that still awaited her were cut short. We
00:39:16hope she continues the party upstairs and dances in Eden
00:39:20in her rightful place, her father eulogized
00:39:22her, and everyone who knew Linor knows
00:39:26exactly why he is.
00:39:28Just take the advantages you need, throw away all the disadvantages you don't need, don't let it
00:39:32affect your mood, smile, that's it, that was a thing of the past, it ended well that it
00:39:35ended Unforgettable
00:39:39Remembering Linor Kinan, may her memory
00:39:41be blessed.
00:39:51good morning, our political commentator, political
00:39:54commentator, or how did I get you into this.
00:40:02our, you know, I want to share
00:40:05with you,
00:40:08a dialogue between two voices in my head, okay?
00:40:12Okay, I wrote to Yoav Horowitz who was interviewed here before you, head of Gadi
00:40:15Eisenkot's hundred days team, can Bibi
00:40:19be a minister in your government? This is regarding everything that happened with
00:40:22Bennet, and suddenly I told myself, what are you
00:40:25talking about, look at the polls.
00:40:27He's going to win big, like
00:40:31change the masses Well, first of all,
00:40:35that question
00:40:38is a question that someone put that voice in your head because
00:40:41Netanyahu, first of all, legally cannot be a minister. Yes, I understood
00:40:45theoretically. But let's say they change the law,
00:40:49from our acquaintance with the persona, he has
00:40:52two states, either Prime Minister or
00:40:55an alternative to Prime Minister in opposition. I don't know anything
00:40:59else. In the recent
00:41:03and not so recent period, and let's
00:41:05say where did this voice come from? First of all, it came yesterday from some
00:41:09meeting that Bennet
00:41:12attended, where he said cynically,
00:41:16you can hear the recording, that if Netanyahu
00:41:20accepts all my conditions and wants to be a minister, he should call
00:41:23me. That was roughly the wording. More interesting, in my
00:41:27opinion, is the response to it, because the response to it is part of a crazy
00:41:31cannibalization campaign within the opposition
00:41:34right now, in which, after Bennet said that, instead of just
00:41:38ignoring it, because it's
00:41:40a statement said as a response to a question without any
00:41:44intention, they pounced on him, one by one,
00:41:47from the parties that are in his camp.
00:41:50And I want to take us for a moment to other things that are flying under
00:41:54the radar in that cannibalization campaign.
00:41:57So yesterday I open Ma'ariv newspaper and there
00:42:00it says that Bennet's party will disintegrate or
00:42:04will go to Netanyahu after
00:42:07the elections. I open Ynet and I see
00:42:11that Eisenkot's party
00:42:14will go to Netanyahu after the elections and I open Channel 12 News
00:42:17in the evening and Dafna Liel broadcasts
00:42:21an item about the "drinking" campaign but there's a leaked
00:42:24video, you don't see me making air quotes with my
00:42:27fingers
00:42:29leaked of Shaul Meridor and he
00:42:33explains and I went before the broadcast to make sure I remembered
00:42:36correctly
00:42:39that Yisrael Beiteinu must be a big party more than Netanyahu
00:42:42to attract its camp, because
00:42:45otherwise Netanyahu will get the mandate and the Speaker of the Knesset will not
00:42:49be replaced. Now I know that you can say anything
00:42:52to anyone and the listeners are already
00:42:55tired and weary of procedures, but there's simply
00:42:58no connection, to replace a Speaker of the Knesset, you can replace a Speaker of the Knesset
00:43:01with a majority vote, and getting a mandate from the President is a completely different matter, there's no
00:43:05connection between the two things. What's common to all these things
00:43:09is indeed, ah,
00:43:12they wake up in the morning, every party, they already understand
00:43:16that there's almost no movement between blocs, and it's much easier to draw from the one next to you than
00:43:20from the one opposite you, and that's what's common to all of it,
00:43:23and therefore your question about, can
00:43:27Netanyahu be a minister in Bennet's government, which was the pretext for attacking Bennet yesterday,
00:43:30it's just part of that internal struggle within
00:43:34the camp. And if I But let's take, let's really
00:43:37go in the direction that Roni ah ah
00:43:40was hinting at before. Meaning, we look and try to predict ahead, in terms of
00:43:43trends, even, you know what, even within the
00:43:46opposition bloc, is there a trend that you identify,
00:43:50that is changing recently, someone who is running a better
00:43:54campaign and loves others or even between
00:43:58blocs, a clear trend emerging?
00:44:01I, I'll say this, since they say it's hard to predict
00:44:05the future, I want to try to predict the past
00:44:09and... This means that in all the polls
00:44:12that both of you know very well
00:44:15in recent months there is one result and the result
00:44:19says there is no clear outcome now for us in the media it's not
00:44:22comfortable to say this because it turns the it lowers
00:44:26the ratings and makes the action less interesting
00:44:29but suppose I believe all the polls
00:44:33and I exclude the poll by Pilber which says that Netanyahu
00:44:36wins and forms a government easily I exclude that.
00:44:40This means there is no clear outcome and we go to repeat elections or something
00:44:44like that. Now
00:44:47why do I say it's easier to predict the past? Because it happened, so
00:44:51we are talking as if how can such a thing happen that a government won't
00:44:54be formed? But excuse me, it didn't form if I take
00:44:58the last five election campaigns in 2019 A, no government
00:45:00formed, in B, no government formed,
00:45:03in 20, actually a government formed for two
00:45:06and a half seconds and then fell apart, in 21 a government formed for two
00:45:10seconds and then fell apart and then the last government formed which was a narrow
00:45:14government.
00:45:17But I don't understand why the scenario of joining Arab parties is so
00:45:21sci-fi.
00:45:23Because, first of all, let's go by promises, because I
00:45:27don't care about promises, come on, no, no, so I said I'll
00:45:30start just to put the
00:45:33framework, yes, Lieberman demanded to disqualify Ra'am
00:45:36from running for Knesset, not just from being with him in government.
00:45:40Bennet disqualified the Arab parties,
00:45:43the Economic, Yoaz, also, if we combine everyone, basically
00:45:46the only one who doesn't disqualify a temporary minority government and also not
00:45:50in government, is Gadi Eisenkot, so let's start with that.
00:45:53Now, if I take this deeper into political
00:45:56interpretation, why would they do that? Why would Bennet
00:46:00and Lieberman give Gadi Eisenkot this gift of
00:46:03being a temporary prime minister with the Arabs? Break
00:46:06a promise so that he would be prime minister, fulfilled the promise.
00:46:10A promise and you benefit from it, but breaking a promise so that your rival
00:46:13benefits from it, let's just say that I have
00:46:16not yet seen such philanthropy, and if Lieberman
00:46:20comes and says, they say something is brewing with Lieberman, if Lieberman comes
00:46:23and says okay, I'm breaking a promise, but I'll be prime
00:46:26minister,
00:46:29that certainly makes sense, but then he'll also need
00:46:32Bennet also
00:46:35to have reasons to support Eisenkot. Will he
00:46:38support it in his opinion? Will he have a choice?
00:46:42I think that if Bennet
00:46:45and Lieberman are bigger than Eisenkot, we
00:46:48might find ourselves with them forming a technical union after
00:46:52the elections. And they'll say, we are presenting ourselves as candidates
00:46:55for prime minister, as we said, a right-wing prime minister, like
00:46:59we are more than Eisenkot. I think that this blueprint is
00:47:03than on the table,
00:47:06and this is part, this is part of the reason why Eisenkot
00:47:10is doing everything to diminish them, I have to say right now with considerable
00:47:13success, and I repeat here
00:47:16right now with considerable success. Look, in the meantime, it's not, I don't know
00:47:19how much success it is, I'm looking again, I'm going back to the poll we had yesterday.
00:47:24mandates, they both, if I'm not mistaken, have 20 mandates together, meaning it's not
00:47:27a dizzying success.
00:47:30Ah, I think that's why you're talking to me.
00:47:33I can state the present, I know how to say, we all know
00:47:37how to say. I think, I think
00:47:40that a drinking campaign,
00:47:43once A.I. decided to run it, it will be effective,
00:47:47because the public, and I don't want to mention names of
00:47:51my family members. Family members who asked me and I was
00:47:54shocked because they sometimes listen to me and they also explained to me that
00:47:58what's important is the big party and not the big bloc for people
00:48:01who will open it on election day and they will see Gadi or
00:48:05Bibi and they will see that it's close and there's
00:48:08like, I don't know, 20 to 22 for one
00:48:11side, they will go to save the homeland, that's also
00:48:15predicting, as it's called, predicting the past, it happened previous times, there
00:48:19are tendencies. This is what is called the "drinking" effect.
00:48:23That is, the implications of what you are saying is that those who are likely
00:48:27to be hurt if indeed in the last few days everyone is moving towards the big parties are
00:48:30the small parties in both blocs, except that in the coalition bloc the small
00:48:34parties are closer to the electoral threshold, also Smotrich with five mandates
00:48:37currently, also Winter with four.
00:48:41And Handel and Zelihah on the other side, meaning, do you see it affecting them too, or are there more
00:48:45strategic voters there? So that's it, I want to make a distinction. In the opposition bloc, I
00:48:49think there's a very good chance it will happen. And only
00:48:53because Gadi Eisenkot is simply working on it, and these
00:48:57are no longer items that I published, this is a clear
00:49:00campaign that was published yesterday, as it's called,
00:49:04in his name and voice and picture by a senior member of the list,
00:49:08and it's completely clear to us that there's a
00:49:11message there, and the message is, we must be a big party to
00:49:14defeat Netanyahu, no matter the reasons. In the coalition bloc,
00:49:18there's a much more fragile event
00:49:21because there's a fear that parties won't pass the electoral threshold, and I don't
00:49:25want to predict, but it's possible that there will be a reverse process, meaning people
00:49:28will say, we must save Smotrich, Ben Gvir, Winter,
00:49:31and we'll actually see a reverse process here, because the Likud is big enough, meaning there
00:49:35it's also possible that the "drinking" will be reversed, there's a kind
00:49:38of game theory here that if one grows, the other also grows
00:49:42from the other side, but yes, it's very possible that the narrative in the right
00:49:46bloc is who will not pass, and the narrative in the opposition
00:49:49bloc is, will it also.
00:50:26I, allow me for a moment to stick to one thing in the world
00:50:29of data, okay? And this is a kind of
00:50:32answer, but this is how
00:50:36we see that for the first time in these elections, and I checked this
00:50:39from 2009, Netanyahu is the less
00:50:42leading candidate in a head-to-head race. Meaning, the candidate
00:50:46against whom he is leading. This was not the case with Livni, this was not the case with Gantz, this was not the case with
00:50:50Herzog. They always he led against them, and in the end he
00:50:54also won, ultimately. Are you talking about
00:50:57the numbers, the numbers of mandates, or in terms of suitability,
00:51:01suitability, it was never the case, after
00:51:04I said that, we know
00:51:07that there is, meaning, it indicates dissatisfaction with him.
00:51:11The second problem is that there is a ceiling for Eisenkot's bloc
00:51:15because of the issue of the Arabs. Netanyahu ran an effective campaign
00:51:19here, and when he connects voting for a bloc to voting for parties.
00:51:22with a coalition, it deters a large part
00:51:25of the undecided voters. The meaning of this could definitely be a move
00:51:29to the centrist parties you mentioned. Very
00:51:33interesting, Moshe Klogft, as usual, it
00:51:36was dramatic silence. Yes, it was
00:51:39fascinating and intriguing. I am
00:51:43sure we will talk to you again soon. Thank
00:54:34undecided. There are no blocs, yes,
00:54:36like people who come to you and say Shachar, you know, you
00:54:40know, recommend to us, yes, yes, between whom
00:54:44Netanyahu, Eisenkot,
00:54:47like that, pretty, yes, do you know? I,
00:54:50um, good question, I don't even
00:54:54know, suddenly I realize, I don't know what
00:54:57everyone around me votes for, ah,
00:55:00some I know, but I really, yesterday, yesterday I
00:55:04had. A day of filming for a movie I'm making here for the corporation and then
00:55:07I walked around a lot in the street
00:55:10and a lot of people stopped me as if I was
00:55:13some political expert and many people told me you
00:55:17know them, you sat with them, but it was
00:55:20all dilemmas within the bloc so then many asked
00:55:24me about Eisenkot vs. Bennet so first of all these are really dilemmas that I see
00:55:28a lot mainly within the bloc and especially really Eisenkot vs. Bennet is a very
00:55:32very significant battle. I think that there is, that it just made me
00:55:35suddenly realize that after all, besides
00:55:38the persona, what is the big difference between Eisenkot and Bennet?
00:55:42Yes, persona, the lists and so on, but really, but really
00:55:46in the end the thesis is the same thesis and the campaign is the same campaign.
00:55:49But the undecided voters between the blocs, that interested me and I tried to understand
00:55:53and I found out that I have two types of such friends. One is, I try to surround
00:55:56myself with people who don't understand politics at all and then they just come to me, they really don't understand
00:56:00a word and tell me Shachar, whoever you tell me to vote for, I will vote for and I of course
00:56:04do not get into that mess. And the second thing, and you
00:56:07know, we had an ad about a month ago, 10 seconds, so
00:56:11then we'll touch on that later, we'll continue after that, the next hour is very interesting, it will also
00:56:14have a story about a person who was eaten by a tiger, it's
00:56:17fascinating, it's always interesting, worth
01:00:15Hello everyone, we are the news update for the hour. The second consecutive day
01:00:18of Mandel's testimony, the former legal advisor to the government,
01:00:21and today this testimony is interrupted mid-way due to
01:00:25a confrontation in the courtroom. Shelly Tapir joins us on the line. Hello
01:00:29Shelly, hello Keren, so indeed, as
01:00:32you mentioned, a rare argument in very high tones
01:00:35between Netanyahu's lawyer, attorney Amit
01:00:38Haddad, and the prosecutor Pirush
01:00:41on the second day of that very dramatic testimony
01:00:45of Avichai Mandelblit.
01:00:47He stood on the witness stand in complete
01:00:51discomfort. Attorney Haddad tells
01:00:54the prosecutor, they took a legal advisor and set him up.
01:00:57I will not leave the privacy, because she is the one who filed
01:01:01this case. I understand the distress, because there is someone
01:01:04sitting here for whom this is the case of her life. The prosecutor
01:01:07bursts out, my life is my family. We are all prosecutors doing
01:01:11our job. The privacy is not the accused here. What insolence.
01:01:15Following these unusual words, Judge Rebecca
01:01:18Friedman-Pelleg actually ordered a recess in the hearing. She summoned
01:01:22the parties to the judges' chambers, presumably
01:01:25to tell them to lower their voices. And a few
01:01:29minutes ago, the hearing resumed. All parties are already
01:01:32in the courtroom, and the questions continue. Perhaps they are trying to project
01:01:35business as usual, Keren, but the emotions and the level
01:01:39of hostility between the prosecutors and the prosecution
01:01:42are reaching a peak with the former legal advisor's testimony.
01:01:46Shelly, thank you.
01:01:51corruption scandal is exposed. The mayor of Kfar Saba and his wife
01:01:54are arrested on suspicion of receiving cash
01:01:57and thereby rigging tenders. Hadas Grinberg, our correspondent, we are coming
01:02:01to you with all the details that can be said about this case.
01:02:04Yes, hello. Yes, we are talking about a new corruption scandal that was exposed today by Yaha,
01:02:08in which the mayor of Kfar Saba, Rafi Saar, the CEO of the
01:02:12Economic Company, public figures, and businessmen were arrested. A total of 17
01:02:15arrests. We are talking about an investigation that began a year ago,
01:02:19during which it emerged that tenders in the municipality were operated in a bribery relationship in almost
01:02:23every possible field. Tenders that were reserved for cronies, businessmen,
01:02:26and also criminals, and in return for the mayor's consent,
01:02:30she received bundles of cash.
01:02:33These tenders covered almost everything: projects for renovating educational institutions, entertainment
01:02:37complexes, urban renewal, and more. We are talking about a bribery
01:02:40amount estimated at millions. Hundreds
01:02:43of thousands of shekels were seized at the mayor's home. We are talking about
01:02:47incidents that allegedly occurred from 2019, a year after
01:02:50Mayor Ofsar was elected to his position. The suspicions are bribery,
01:02:54fraud, breach of trust, and money laundering. This afternoon, all
01:02:58the suspects will be brought for arraignment.
01:03:01Yes, Hadas Grinberg, thank you very much. We are 15 days from the elections.
01:03:05Yisrael Beiteinu Chairman Avigdor Liberman says on Kan News
01:03:08on Network B that he is not worried about a Kan News poll that indicates
01:03:12a reversal of forces between the blocs. In fact,
01:03:15Netanyahu's bloc is leading. He says that the bloc of draft dodgers, as he calls it, has no
01:03:19chance of forming the next government. In an interview with Keren Nozen, he
01:03:23also referred to Naftali Bennett's comments last night that Netanyahu could
01:03:26serve as a minister in the government. Here is Netanyahu. He
01:03:30will not be in the next government, not even as Minister of Regional
01:03:33Cooperation. Period. He simply will not be there, and therefore
01:03:37there will be no non-Arab or Haredi parties. And I tell you
01:03:41that in other parties, the bloc of those who serve, we will bring
01:03:44a solid majority. Precisely now this tension, it somewhat
01:03:48injects motivation and adrenaline into the bloc
01:03:51of those who serve.
01:03:54This morning, the IDF fired an interceptor missile towards a suspected aerial target that was identified
01:03:58in southern Lebanon. No alerts were activated in Israel. This incident is under investigation,
01:04:02while at the same time, reports from Lebanon indicate the restoration of Hezbollah's
01:04:05military capabilities and the development of drones
01:04:09capable of carrying up to six kilograms of
01:04:12explosives and attacking deep inside Israel. It was also noted that
01:04:15the organization has increased its security measures for fear
01:04:18of Israeli assassinations and has also evacuated offices and apartments
01:04:21quickly.
01:04:24And in Britain, pay attention to this, they found an original solution for ski
01:04:28enthusiasts who don't have snow.
01:04:42Well, there's nowhere to ski. These are basically blocks of ice tied to their feet, a wet
01:04:45road, cleaning material. This is a suburb near London where a strange
01:04:49ski competition was held. It must be said that the participants simply slid
01:04:52down a street, some in bathtubs. Even the police
01:04:56joined the celebration. The organizers claim that this is an Olympic
01:05:00sport for the era of climate change. The winner reached the finish
01:05:03line in just 11 and a quarter
01:05:40Second hour of Kubanovic. You know, yesterday
01:05:44as I said, I had a very Tel Avivian day of filming.
01:05:47And I love Tel Aviv and I live in it, but I almost never
01:05:51hang out there because I'm always either working or with the kids. Poor me,
01:05:54I looked at people and I said to myself:
01:05:57It could be that most people
01:06:01in the world don't walk around with that feeling
01:06:04of urgency, the urgency that I always walk around with, elections, you
01:06:08know, there's nothing to do, hosting this show affects me, like
01:06:11maybe also these statements,
01:06:15Porovitz said,
01:06:18if we lose, Israel is taking its last
01:06:21breaths, or the hosts on television, crucial
01:06:24elections, you always walk around with a feeling
01:06:27that... If the person you don't want wins,
01:06:31boom, they give it like, you know, as
01:06:34they sometimes say, the country is gone.
01:06:37And I said to myself, wait, maybe if I wasn't hosting
01:06:40Kubanovic, I could sit on the beach
01:06:44and forget that there are elections in two weeks. I definitely find myself
01:06:47always being the national calm-down who tells people, don't worry, believe me, the state
01:06:51of Israel has experienced 26 election campaigns in which they promised us that if
01:06:55the other side wins, the country will be destroyed, and it has survived.
01:06:58So why? So why, but this time there is
01:07:01a feeling that it's more... You see, we've been on
01:07:05an emotional roller coaster for the past three years since October 7th, and even before
01:07:08that, the judicial legislation and the battle and so on. We are
01:07:12indeed more fractured than usual, but let's just say, I wasn't
01:07:15here, you were, but from
01:07:18my history lessons and my knowledge, I want
01:07:21to guess that in the elections around the Oslo Accords, during Rabin's
01:07:25time, there was also a lot of division, or the Reparations Agreement, or all sorts
01:07:28of other things even earlier. Meaning, there were turbulent times
01:07:31in Israel. I'm going back for a moment to what we talked about earlier, but
01:07:34about the undecided between the blocs,
01:07:38exactly, that's the thing. I try to surround myself with people who aren't affected by this, who aren't
01:07:42interested. You ask them how they were or what's happening to them today, they're busy with completely
01:07:45different things and they really have no idea which bloc
01:07:48to vote for, and I think that the second segment of undecideds
01:07:52that I encounter is a month ago we published it, what is called from the Likud
01:07:56campaign, in their data they call it third generation in Israel
01:08:00of Mizrahi Jews, meaning in the end we are talking about
01:08:03people from families in the Mizrahi periphery
01:08:07whose parents vote Likud and they less so, and each
01:08:10of these audiences has a different approach. Because
01:08:21in the end, there is a very large audience among young people who say, "I vote
01:08:24for whoever is more of a man, for whoever I like more, for my brother." They have no idea what the meaning of this is,
01:08:28and this campaign and the campaign
01:08:31for the undecided audience whose
01:08:33parents... this is a campaign that really touches on more
01:08:36delicate matters. I hear their arguments, so one of the campaigns they are working on
01:08:40is truly, "they went with the Arabs." Yesterday, I heard such an argument from one undecided voter who said,
01:08:44"Listen, my parents always voted for Netanyahu, I can't not vote
01:08:48for Netanyahu. On the other hand, I want an alternative, but if I vote
01:08:51for Alizqot and it ends up with the Arabs, I'll eat myself up. So maybe I won't vote or I'll vote
01:08:54for Netanyahu." Meaning, it also sits on some very large family tradition,
01:08:58and also on some fear of sitting with the Arabs, as Kollogfat said,
01:09:01this campaign works. And I think these are the audiences that are still moving
01:09:05between the blocs. I want, I want before
01:09:09before. Yoaz Hendel,
01:09:12just one more thing, a small lesson in civics, okay? When we talk
01:09:15all the time about the number of voters and the electoral threshold,
01:09:18for example, I know there's a very Tel
01:09:21Avivian discourse around me about people coming
01:09:25from abroad, the planes that landed here. I also know quite a few people who bought
01:09:28tickets and are coming to vote. To what extent,
01:09:31for example, can that change things? So
01:09:34there are several variables that no one knows how to quantify, meaning
01:09:37that's one of them, you know, when you ask all the campaign managers and in the end they all don't know
01:09:41how to quantify it. Ah, ah, they talked at the time about 50,000 people, and then
01:09:44the election committee, the Likud sued against
01:09:47this story of the planes, and the organization that said it was bringing them, said that in total it has
01:09:50five planes, meaning five flights coming here
01:09:54on its behalf. I don't know how many independent ones there are, but that's a figure they can't quantify. The second
01:09:57figure they can't quantify is what the voter turnout will be, of course. The third
01:10:01figure is the immigrants
01:10:03from Russia and Ukraine. In this war between Russia and Ukraine,
01:10:07100,000 people immigrated here. You don't know if they will vote or not.
01:10:10And also, you know, in the end, it's another mandate.
01:10:34Every mandate changes things, sometimes even 500 or 10,000 votes,
01:10:38that's the extra mandate due to surplus votes and everything.
01:10:41The mathematical complexity of the D'Hondt method, there is
01:10:44a long complexity here, but this is also a figure that people find it difficult
01:10:47to estimate, and also how many disappointed Haredim will not vote. These are more or less
01:10:51the figures that most campaigns cannot estimate. Okay,
01:10:55excellent time to turn to the chairman of the Economic Reservists party,
01:10:58Yoaz Hendel. Hello,
01:11:01good morning. Are you worried that suddenly 50,000 people landed here
01:11:05of them coming to Israel and taking
01:11:09part in what is needed. Both in voting and in defending the homeland
01:11:12and also in building the... You
01:11:15raise an eyebrow in your opinion,
01:11:18but is it legitimate that there will be such a big influence
01:11:22on Israelis who left the country? I am in favor
01:11:25of Israelis coming to the country and every step that can bring them here, even if it's to come
01:11:28and vote and remember that this country is important to them, in my opinion, is positive.
01:11:32And I am sure that there are enough people there who look at the political
01:11:35system and don't want us to get stuck and don't want us to have more elections. They understand
01:11:38this and don't want a government of either one bloc with Haredi
01:11:42parties or another bloc with Arab parties that get us stuck
01:11:46and lead us nowhere. And therefore they will understand that we
01:11:49are their solution. I want to quote you Dudi Hassid, our dear
01:11:53pollster, who said this morning
01:11:55here on Reshet Bet that in the end, four mandates
01:11:59don't work in real time. We look back at Eretz Lo
01:12:03Tzlacha in the previous elections and before that, we look and it
01:12:06didn't work for Bennett and it didn't work for the Zehut party. In the end, when a party
01:12:09is wavering, at the moment of truth
01:12:13it doesn't cross the electoral threshold. I want to quote you that
01:12:16same pollster who said yesterday on your broadcast that we are very
01:12:20very close to the fifth mandate and the truth is that on Friday in the Israel
01:12:24Hayom poll we were already close to the sixth mandate. I am convinced that we will be
01:12:27the protest vote of the state of Israel. People will put
01:12:30D in the ballot box because they are fed up with exactly what you were talking about. You talked earlier about
01:12:34what is different now? We are after three years of war. We commemorated last
01:12:38week. I was in a kibbutz in the mountains. Everything was flooded
01:12:42for me. The fighting there, there is no one in the state of Israel
01:12:45in the Zionist sphere who has not lost someone in their first,
01:12:48second or third circle, or who has not had someone injured next to them or who has
01:12:52is what is different. All election campaigns,
01:12:56and this is the dramatic event, and I am 100% convinced that despite what
01:12:59you see on television and despite the media and despite
01:13:02the discourse oh, you disappeared
01:13:05from us. We are going to the same place. People are fed up.
01:13:09They are not willing, they are not willing for what was to be. But then always,
01:13:13then at this moment in the conversation with you, we always get
01:13:15to the practicalities. So describe
01:13:19the scenario. Okay, you reached five or six
01:13:21mandates. The elections are over. The
01:13:25big parties, the big rivalry will be,
01:13:28who will be prime minister? So,
01:13:31let's start as you requested. If you could just improve
01:13:34your position, because you're cut off precisely at the most
01:13:37interesting answers.
01:13:40I, I will try. I will try, I will try to touch
01:13:44on the practicalities. We are in a reality
01:13:47where, if we go to the Polimarket website, most Israelis
01:13:50are betting that we are heading for more elections. We are stuck.
01:13:53I put zero percent chance that anyone will succeed in forming a government, if there isn't
01:13:57the reservists and the economy. The moment there are the reservists, we
01:14:00are looking, wait, wait, wait, let me explain, you asked me,
01:14:03I will give you the practicalities, the moment we are there, we are the only ones
01:14:07in what was called the third bloc that everyone eulogized, and it seems to me that Shahar also
01:14:11eulogized it quite a bit, but but I but Yoaz, I
01:14:15again, the third bloc is a very nice statement,
01:14:18but in fact, yesterday we divided it this way: 53
01:14:22for Netanyahu's bloc, 50 for Gantz's bloc. But in fact, why don't
01:14:25you share? What's the difference between you and Naftali Bennett? You say we won't
01:14:29sit with the Haredim. He says you say we won't sit with the Arabs. He says you
01:14:33say a Zionist government. Meaning, both of you in the end, if Gantz reaches 61, you are
01:14:37part of Gantz's bloc. If neither of the blocs succeeds, everyone plays
01:14:40with the cards they have. Why are you in a separate bloc? What is the actual difference
01:14:44between you? I don't understand. Four parties sit,
01:14:47they say we are in a bloc, a bloc of "just not Bibi." Someone stands before you, you interview someone
01:14:51who tells you "I'm not in their bloc," and you ask me why I'm not in their bloc? I'm not in their bloc.
01:15:07There are non-Zionist Arab or Haredi parties. In my opinion, the Arab parties that don't recognize
01:15:10Hamas as a terrorist organization, there's nothing I can sit with them for. And the same goes for the Haredi
01:15:14parties.
01:15:18Yoav Orbach said here that we will bring 61 mandates of Zionists.
01:15:22Second, I'm not. I didn't choose to be. Ask them why. They chose to form
01:15:26a bloc called "just not Bibi." Why with all these parties
01:15:29together? What do they agree on? That's not me. You're interviewing me. I want
01:15:33to present to you the practicalities, as you asked me. And the practicalities
01:15:36in my opinion are that it's the only party that is in a space
01:15:39that is capable. But the numbers today are not in the numbers today. It's
01:15:42elections. One second, one second. If you allow me to answer completely, I think
01:15:46you will understand me. Okay, I again go back to the basics, okay? Because
01:15:50you interrupted my answer in the middle. One, you are right, if
01:15:53there are no reservists, we are definitely heading for more elections.
01:15:57No one should tell you otherwise. The campaign of the big party will start soon. Whoever votes for the big
01:16:01party should remember Blue and White. They stand on stage with 36 mandates
01:16:05three times, celebrating, and then they can't form a government. In the morning, they realize they need
01:16:08a coalition of 61. So first of all, you are right. Second, the only
01:16:12way that this will not happen is if our party, the Reservists
01:16:16and the Economy, are strong enough, and we manage to form a Zionist
01:16:19coalition. How do we do
01:16:22that?
01:16:25How do we do it? First of all, we don't join either of the blocs,
01:16:29because that's the central thesis. For years they've been trying to brainwash
01:16:33you, you have to either sit with Haredi or Arab parties, choose.
01:16:36You have to choose now. How do you do it? You take the non-large parties,
01:16:40but the mid-level ones, the ones that are smaller, and you start to form
01:16:44coalitions with them. We are the only party that can form this
01:16:47coalition with other parties that are in both blocs,
01:16:51Zionist parties, and from there we start to build it, contrary
01:16:55to the bloc concept, otherwise we will get stuck. Now I have my positions on
01:16:58Netanyahu, you know them, no need to repeat them. If I could,
01:17:02I would convince every Israeli citizen not to vote for him and to vote
01:17:05for us.
01:17:10The only thing, I'm looking at what is called "who will sit with whom," and you
01:17:14say, you say "not with Haredim and not with Arabs, we won't join any bloc," but but seemingly
01:17:18if you, if Gantz's bloc manages to reach 61, you will join
01:17:21it, if there is now, come on, you saw in some poll that Gantz's bloc... The rule
01:17:33is that we will only sit in a Zionist government. We will recommend whoever
01:17:36brings 61 Zionist mandates, and that can definitely
01:17:39be from Gantz's and Bennett's bloc if that happens
01:17:43and they succeed in bringing parties from there. If tomorrow morning Gantz
01:17:46and Bennett form a government with Netanyahu, despite my positions on Netanyahu, we will sit
01:17:50there. I am not concerned with "just Bibi" but with... I didn't
01:17:53understand. Wait a second, let's just make it the simplest thing in the world. Let's say Gantz's
01:17:57bloc gets
01:17:5956 and you get five, okay? These are all Zionists
01:18:03and the people on the other side don't want to come with you Zionists, so you go for
01:18:07it. Whoever forms a Zionist government, we are part of their
01:18:11government, and on condition,
01:18:13second, on condition that there is conscription
01:18:16for everyone, that no Israeli citizen who does not serve receives anything
01:18:20from the state, and that Gafni does not make decisions about us, and that Deri
01:18:23who stands on the Knesset podium is not revealed as an empty vessel, and they are not,
01:18:27and whoever does not serve does not get government positions.
01:18:31I was talking about the resentment. The option on the other side, you
01:18:34say I won't sit with the Haredim, right?
01:18:37And the Arab parties, and they don't harm. The Haredim
01:18:40also include Shas for that matter, because you know, there is after all... Listen, I have an even
01:18:44bigger account to settle with them. They are
01:18:48on the one hand my role model, because in our bad system, Shas has the country by its sensitive
01:18:51spot, and I understood their
01:18:54method, and I want to be exactly there. I want to put reservists
01:18:58in every position of power in the State of Israel, not active reservists of the party, but
01:19:02people who have served. I look at what they do, for example, with government
01:19:05positions. You know that today I have a friend
01:19:07who I think you know, who is a major in the reserves and he is
01:19:11in the Paratroopers' Pony Brigade. He is a well-known rabbi, the son of a well-known
01:19:14family, and he cannot get a government rabbi position in any
01:19:18city. By some miracle, only members of Deri's family
01:19:21are accepted. Why does that sound reasonable to anyone, that Deri
01:19:25and Gafni make decisions about us, how we risk our lives, and it's
01:19:28okay, and they will bring hundreds of millions, and be the finance ministers?
01:19:32Why? And therefore I am committed to the issue, I am committed to having conscription
01:19:36for everyone, I am committed to having.
01:20:02We cannot win the war with this government. We need soldiers, we
01:20:05are thinning out forces, we cannot.
01:20:24You sent messages and he didn't get back to you. He hasn't gotten back with an answer yet. It's his decision whether he chooses to be with
01:20:27this group that can't win this battle or to come
01:20:31and make a surplus agreement with us. But why, but why not Bennett? Because I'm looking
01:20:35again at what we really discussed.
01:20:37Looking at the message sheet, it seems to me that Bennett is much more similar to you in everything,
01:20:41meaning almost everything you say in the campaign. I'm telling you to sign a surplus
01:20:45agreement with Bennett and not with Bennett. Why aren't you calling him to join you or to
01:20:48change the message sheet? Ah, is it only because
01:20:52of the sheets? I told you about a surplus agreement. I told him, "Get out of the alliance
01:20:55with Netanyahu and the Haredi parties. If you're talking about recognition on the battlefield, it's impossible
01:20:59with them. Gafni is not your sidekick. He'll mess you up
01:21:03in a second." I'm putting that down to naivete or a political decision. There's no
01:21:07chance in the world that you'll pass conscription. Forget about the plan, which in my opinion
01:21:10is very compromising, for Bennett. But there's no chance in the world that they'll enlist
01:21:14there. There's no chance in the world that we'll decide on the battlefield with this government and with
01:21:17his commitment to Netanyahu and the Haredi parties. And regarding
01:21:20the attack, we started with Netanyahu's attack. Netanyahu attacks
01:21:24Bennett precisely because of this, because he's in his pocket. Why would Netanyahu attack
01:21:27me? Why would Netanyahu attack me over hundreds of days of reserve duty that I
01:21:30do, over the cost of living, over the fact that this country is the most expensive
01:21:34in the West, that we are 40% more expensive than Europe and the United States? The same
01:21:37people who go out for hundreds of days of reserve duty are also the ones who go to the supermarket and in the end
01:21:41the cart is the most expensive and they can't buy apartments. Why does he want to attack me?
01:21:44Let him attack. I'm in favor of putting up billboards. I'm willing to have this discussion
01:21:48about what they did in the three years that I fought for the defense
01:21:52of the homeland, that we were on the front lines. What did they do? You
01:21:55know, I want to ask you, I want Yoaz,
01:21:58in conclusion,
01:22:00this coming Saturday night, I will broadcast in a meeting an interview with someone you
01:22:04know very well, Chili Tropper. You ran together
01:22:07a long time ago. And I asked him, "Tell me,
01:22:10when you came to Yoaz and told him, 'I'm breaking up
01:22:14the business, I'm joining,' how
01:22:16did you explain it to him? Could it be that Yoaz is actually more
01:22:20courageous than you and that's the whole difference?"
01:22:23I won't tell you what he answered me, but what, what, what was
01:22:26there? Chili is a good friend and brother,
01:22:30and he made his decision. I truly believe in my path. Why, why didn't
01:22:33he run and you continue? But this is... You took him for the interview and the interviews
01:22:37are excellent, and I would also love to come. You were at my place, I was
01:22:41here a long time ago. I would love to come again now before
01:22:43the elections.
01:22:46And that's his decision. I know there are a quarter of a million Israelis, I see it
01:22:49in your polls and in other polls who say, "We don't
01:22:53want either the Haredi parties." To your credit, it must be said
01:22:56that so many people sat in that slot. You remember,
01:23:00we had Edelstein
01:23:02and Erdan and many people. In the end, you are
01:23:06the last ones standing. My advantage and disadvantage, and also that of
01:23:09Yaron Zelih, Professor Yaron Zeliha, is that we are stubborn. When I say
01:23:13that I will deal with conscription for everyone and I will not give up and I will not sit with non-Zionist
01:23:17parties, I mean it. And when Zeli
01:23:21it will happen. And you need crazy people for that. You need a right-wing marker in every
01:23:24political system, and I will be that right-wing marker. I will not be willing to give
01:23:28up on that after the war we went through. The things are clear. Yoaz Hendel, Chairman of the
01:23:32Reservists and Economic Party, thank you very much, thank you,
01:24:08the privilege of a day between part A of the interview
01:24:11and part B, I suddenly thought, what
01:24:14really, what is the thing that interests me the most?
01:24:18Yesterday you said that you were hit
01:24:22that your livelihood was affected by your decision to be
01:24:25political, to talk about your views, to be the host of
01:24:29a podcast that hosts many politicians.
01:24:32I'm interested if you can describe to me a moment or two where
01:24:35you said "F**k it," I am
01:24:38willing to be harmed, I am willing to suffer, this is more
01:24:42important to me. What? What, what led you to this?
01:24:45Specifically, to this? Yes, ah,
01:24:48listen, I, I. I think that I'll tell you
01:24:52I happened to be, like, out
01:24:55of the political closet
01:24:59against my will, because a long time ago
01:25:03in some interview I said I was a leftist. I asked
01:25:06the journalist not to publish it, and he published it, and since
01:25:10then I'm like out with my leftism. Wow
01:25:13wow, yes, just the word "leftist," which is
01:25:16also a lesson in journalistic ethics, by the way. No, it
01:25:20was with Yudan Uriel, may his memory be blessed. He said to me, "You're
01:25:23a leftist, right?" I said to him, "Yes, whoever has a problem can jump off a cliff." This was when
01:25:27Miri Regev made a lot of trouble with
01:25:30Mizrahim and Ashkenazim and stuff like that. And then I told him, "Don't
01:25:34publish it." And then he said, "Sure, sure, no problem." Boom, headline
01:25:37in Yediot Aharonot, "I'm a leftist and whoever has a problem
01:25:41can jump off a cliff." But Yossi, I want to, wait, wait, but wait
01:25:45a second, second, yours, I do want to dwell on this. Okay, they outed
01:25:49you.
01:26:03But you took that moment and just amplified and amplified it.
01:26:06That evening, I was stopped twice by people
01:26:09in the street who told me, "It's so great that you said that. Thank
01:26:13you, thank you for saying that." And then I said, "Ah, okay, so
01:26:16it seems that it does something."
01:26:20people, but to your question,
01:26:23after October 7th, there was one time when they asked
01:26:27me to make a video calling for change,
01:26:29and then I made the
01:26:32video, and suddenly, as someone
01:26:35who isn't very active on Instagram and such, suddenly it
01:26:39got insane amounts of views.
01:26:41And then the next day they asked me to host
01:26:45Kaplan, and since then I'm like
01:26:48I understand that it's, but
01:26:51there's a moment, as Roni asked, there's a moment when you say, you
01:26:55get hit in the head, you understand that you're not getting some job
01:26:59because of your political views, and you
01:27:02say, "I'm willing to..." What I told you about Yudan
01:27:05Uriel, they canceled my
01:27:09campaign for the Jerusalem Municipality on the day the article came out.
01:27:12And you say it's worth it for me, it's worth it for me for this or that you, or that it doesn't happen in
01:27:16real time, I say that if'.
01:27:20Shut up or talk and if the
01:27:23income goes down, then I prefer to talk and if the income goes down, but
01:27:27by the way, you said it hurts campaigns, it also hurts
01:27:30the likes. That means it doesn't hurt
01:27:33no no no it's not hard for me to believe
01:27:36that there is any series that won't take me
01:27:39because I express myself. It's not but but this feeling that you sit
01:27:43for example with your friends at a cafe and everyone
01:27:47agrees with you and then but'.
01:27:50The only one who will take action and speak on the radio or or get angry
01:27:54publicly is you, that's for sure but I just want to challenge
01:27:57you because I don't have actor friends, I don't
01:28:00sit I don't sit with actors and talk
01:28:04I have Lior who is a very good friend of mine, that's
01:28:08Lior Ashkenazi so you know, so I don't encounter
01:28:11any problem with him, but
01:28:14I don't have I don't have actor friends so
01:28:18that's a problem but but yes.
01:28:30That you write what you say in the end when he. Will speak, for example, Noa Kirel
01:28:34and you look at those people, do you expect them to speak
01:28:38and open their mouths? Of course, what are you crazy? Of course, I think
01:28:41it will have an effect, I think it has an impact
01:28:45yesterday Danit Greenberg
01:28:47published on her Instagram
01:28:51that she is for change and that she
01:28:55thinks that many things need to be fixed here
01:28:59this is this is a woman with I don't know. Half a million
01:29:03followers or something like that bravely
01:29:06went and published what she has
01:29:09people who you say think differently
01:29:13from you, for example, tomorrow morning an artist you admire
01:29:16clearly writes clearly
01:29:19Ariel Zilber whom I admire every song this
01:29:23man has ever released his views are known including
01:29:27Binyamin Yedid Hashem that he wrote to Netanyahu and Al
01:29:29Or Al Or the hero. That's actually
01:29:33I wasn't but no but but why do I ask what am I
01:29:36getting at in the end I'm what
01:29:40is called as a cultural need I don't know not particularly
01:29:43here for example on air Roni and I
01:29:47go to the same shows I've seen several
01:29:49times both of us dying the number of times I
01:29:53look and say on the story if he says some sentence now or if he brings in someone like Eden Ben
01:29:57Zaken with Netanyahu if he brings in someone now I'm going to not
01:30:01want to'.
01:30:08with great courage in his last album
01:30:10he talked about peace he didn't say I'm voting
01:30:14for this and he talked a lot in his recent interviews
01:30:17in light of the years after October 7th about why
01:30:21peace has become such a taboo
01:30:23word he talked about voices in
01:30:27religious Zionist society that don't support the release
01:30:30of captives, that is. that you touched on with Mutar Banai
01:30:34in essence, he talked about it really extensively,
01:30:38but also I, I, I want to reinforce what
01:30:41you're saying, we don't live in Denmark,
01:30:44okay, where you can
01:30:47come and sing or act and your story
01:30:50is over, you live in a country
01:30:53that in my opinion obligates you to state your opinion, but you
01:30:57don't, for heaven's sake, a person wants a little escapism, I look at people who sat at an Eden Ben Zaken show, you know what?
01:31:01עדן בן זקן, אתה יודע מה?
01:31:19No problem, no problem, I don't look and say he did something here, I,
01:31:22as an audience, if I'm sitting at a Aviv
01:31:26Geffen show and he suddenly does some event or of Eden Ben Zaken or Omer Adam or I don't
01:31:30care, it's just a second'. The
01:31:32fact that Yossi now says I'm against
01:31:36Bibi, okay, does that make you want to watch fewer
01:31:40shows he acts in? No, but if but but when it's connected to each other
01:31:44when it's part of the event, yes, if it's, you know, an event
01:31:47that is, I don't know, a show or if I'm watching, if when I'm
01:31:51watching a series it gets into me there
01:31:54it bothers me, I watch series to clear my head, I don't want to think politics
01:31:58Shahar I I don't know you it's but sorry
01:32:01and I don't mean. bluntly, but that's your
01:32:04problem, that's not my problem, right? No, what's
01:32:08your problem? You, you back, if I'm
01:32:11talking, and you kind of look
01:32:15and in some way it bothers you to see the thing I'm
01:32:18participating in, then I'm really sorry, but it's not, it's
01:32:22not my fault or my problem, no, but sorry, Yossi, you
01:32:26come and call other artists who are silent, who don't want to, who come to make
01:32:29their music, not to talk politics, it's not certain that it is.
01:32:44The last few years have been so crazy, such extreme
01:32:47things have happened here, we are parents to children,
01:32:51if something burns in you, it's not just for or against an election eve,
01:32:55say it. I I will tell you, I will tell you, I have
01:32:58examples for you, okay, Adi Ashkenazi in the Knesset committee'.
01:33:58I think, I think she has a responsibility, that's what I
01:34:01think, as an artist in the State of Israel, you cannot
01:34:04look at things from the outside, that's
01:34:07my opinion, you can disagree with it, but no, because
01:34:11you told me it's your problem, so I say it's your problem, Yossi, in that sense, that is, I.
01:34:15Let's put it this way, my reaction, it's your
01:34:18problem, it's your problem in that you can't
01:34:22either separate or or, you know, I
01:34:25Itamar Fleischmann was with me on one of the podcasts, and he
01:34:29started and I told him about Channel 4, so he told me, listen,
01:34:33then don't watch, and then I told him, wow, you're right,
01:34:36right, right, I won't
01:34:38watch, it's very true, so I,
01:34:42as they say, I'm calling from here,
01:42:41have to believe that I am a human being. Okay, that's the whole
01:42:44thing.
01:42:47Your question, if it's me, if it's me. No, not if it's one, if it met
01:42:51you differently, like, if it's, I think that,
01:42:54it will sound naive, but I'm really not a cynical person. I'm the least
01:42:58cynical person you'll ever meet in your life, but I think that every character has
01:43:02something of me in it, and yes, I'm also a bit that organizer, a bit
01:43:05wants to be loved, a bit
01:43:08finds herself
01:43:10sometimes in relationships that are not good for me, relationships, not necessarily
01:43:14with my husband, of course, but but but
01:43:16yes, in every character there is something that, that I
01:43:20take, we talked before you was Yossi Marshek
01:43:23who talks, a lot about, you worked together, did you get to?
01:43:27No, no, no, who talked a lot about how he has so many projects
01:43:31in each of you and those trains never collided, no, never, never,
01:43:34I'm inviting it, yes, so he said that in his opinion, artists today
01:43:38in Israel need to say what they think, not necessarily
01:43:42on the eve of elections, who you'll vote for, but that so many things happened
01:43:45here in Israel, I'd be happy to say, I'd be happy, please, that's
01:43:49your question, I think there needs to be a change, and it's
01:43:52not related to right and left, and it's related to the fact that it's simply
01:43:56debilitating. People being on the throne for so many
01:44:00years, ah and not understanding what it's like to be a normal
01:44:04person, because in the end, a prime minister
01:44:08, especially in the State of Israel, I'm that the prime minister, period, but especially in the State
01:44:11of Israel, ah
01:44:14it's a truly exceptional position, meaning I don't want
01:44:18to say king, but it's truly the highest, highest, highest
01:44:22point in society, and I think it's truly not
01:44:25right to be more than two terms, that's my personal opinion,
01:44:29and there too, I vote regardless
01:44:33of the horrifying thing that happened to us three years ago on October
01:44:357th, but it's not related, truly, truly, truly, hand
01:44:39on heart, it's not related to my political opinion, it's truly
01:44:43related to how I see life, how I see
01:44:46democracy, how I see a well-functioning and healthy
01:44:49society, I, I see that whoever is
01:44:53up there needs to be someone who is not disconnected from the people,
01:44:56and who serves two terms, period. By the way, let me tell you that I'm from
01:45:00the North,
01:45:03I don't want to say most of them, but let's say my family has been with
01:45:07Lieberman for years because he's a person who loves farmers. Passes reforms for
01:45:11farmers and represents the people
01:45:15from where I come from, we don't have much time, Agam, so just to conclude, do
01:45:18you agree with Yossi Marshek that in your opinion all artists should eventually speak up
01:45:22and say? I, I'm not a person, I'm not a person to say things about others, it
01:45:26doesn't interest me. I'm also, thank God, not a person who is a slacker or
01:45:29or or or cares about what happens with other people, it doesn't interest me. I'm
01:45:33talking, I'm talking about myself, I must
01:48:06here, approaching the end of our two hours and we
01:48:09say. Hello, Deputy Inspector Yossi Gazit, wow, all
01:48:13these acronyms, acting Deputy Head of Lahav 433, did I get that right?
01:48:17Right, right, Kuban,
01:48:20after everything you said, you're finishing with me,
01:48:23Kuban, ah, I read, you call me Kubman, I call you
01:48:26Gazit, okay, no problem, wait, what's
01:48:30your nickname, Yossi Gazit, what's your pet name? Do they call you Yos, not Yossi
01:48:34La, or not Gazit? How
01:48:36do they call you? And you listened for two whole hours? What's that? He knows
01:48:44Kuban, he knows Kuban well. What's going on with Ezzell
01:48:47in Kfar Saba? It sounds like
01:48:51finger-licking material.
01:48:54Ah, well, I certainly won't say right now which
01:48:58municipality it is, even though it was published.
01:49:01Rafi ended in the gate in the middle, there's Rafi Sa'ar and the head of the Kfar
01:49:04Saba municipality. The suspects still haven't appeared in court,
01:49:07but but really. But really,
01:49:10I don't know if it's finger-licking good, it's actually quite disturbing
01:49:14for us, but Lahav actually started working on this
01:49:18case a year ago, a little over a year ago, uh, a lot
01:49:21of confidential information.
01:49:47Of course, both the mayor and his wife are key suspects. There are announcements from the mayor.
01:49:50But there's no doubt that
01:49:54the lady, the mayor's wife
01:49:57is very, very dominant in the
01:49:59investigation.
01:50:01Is there a method here? Tell us a bit about the method
01:50:04of the mayor's wife at its center?
01:50:08So, so, so really without going into too much detail because we are truly at the first stage of
01:50:11the investigation, so basically contractors, all sorts of interested parties in the city, all
01:50:15sorts of stakeholders who know there is a
01:50:18tenders committee, there is a proper process and understand that it will attract.
01:50:24Like back in the day, literally envelopes of cash, ah, but what comes
01:50:28to her? What is her role in this story? So, I
01:50:31mean stakeholders in the
01:50:34city and also from the city's surroundings
01:50:37to get various city tenders like
01:50:40lighting, paving, urban renewal, and so
01:50:44on and so on, there is the
01:50:47roundabout way, there is the mayor's wife
01:50:51and there is the mayor and there are other involved parties
01:50:53in the city who were also arrested and interrogated from the
01:50:57municipality's senior officials, and there is the method,
01:51:00to bribe and get the tender or
01:51:03to remove competitors or to get the tender under conditions without
01:51:06conditions, and that worked very well for them during the period
01:51:10we're talking about, so if I want to stitch up a tender, I want to make things easier
01:51:13for my business, I bring it to the mayor's wife in an envelope, yes,
01:51:17in cash,
01:51:20according to the suspicion, according to the suspicion. Part of the bribe,
01:51:23there are bribes in other units that
01:51:27we will publish later, there is no doubt
01:51:29that the cash event here is really, really prominent,
01:51:33also in the searches today very large
01:51:36sums of money, what are very high sums? How much money in total
01:51:39did that mayor allegedly make according to the suspicions?
01:51:43We won't talk about the mayor right now, the scope of the offense here is millions of shekels,
01:51:47we're not what is millions? Millions could be one million and it could
01:51:50be many millions. Shekels, again, I don't want to give
01:51:53numbers so as not to set anything in stone, we are really at the first stage of the investigation, but the scope of the offense
01:51:57here is many millions, every such tender, just imagine,
01:52:00renewal, large tenders, cleaning,
01:52:04just imagine, we're talking about large tenders, so envelopes
01:52:07with thousands or tens of thousands of shekels
01:52:11are passed to whoever needs them, and your warehouse, now I see
01:52:14from the publications that you also know where
01:52:17the money went, ah, we are
01:52:20really, since the beginning of the we have been using
01:52:24very advanced technological means that Lahav knows
01:52:27how to use, it's simply unbelievable, I'm really
01:52:31holding back from going into detail at this stage,
01:52:34but the money went to shopping,
01:52:37to trips, to expenses abroad,
01:52:40they cashed out the money very quickly, expensive items, expensive
01:52:44jewelry, watches, bags, and also to family members, also to family members of
01:52:47the suspects, also with them in the end we found
01:52:51today quite a lot of money. What are they saying in the interrogation? Can we say yet or
01:52:54not? No, we can't say, they're just at the first stage of the investigation,
01:52:58between us, only Roni and I are listening, some are cooperating,
01:53:01some are not cooperating, but
01:53:03we, we really have 17 arrested, on the one
01:53:07hand it disgusts me, yes, it just disgusts me, this thing, on the other hand I think
01:53:11about the children, right, suddenly boom, dad and mom
01:53:14arrested, ah yes, yes,
01:53:18we try to be considerate of course, but
01:53:20ah, we really think about it
01:53:24that when a father and mother of a family are arrested together, it's
01:53:27an event, yes, in this case there's less of a problem, but
01:53:31the marriage is a second marriage, no, yes, the children are grown up.
01:53:35The moment we plan the arrest of a couple in advance, and that
01:53:38happens quite a lot in the police, then we involve welfare agencies or someone from the
01:53:42family to come and watch the children. That's not the event
01:53:46here. Okay, meaning usually at this stage it's impossible to say the
01:53:49name of Rafi Sa'ar, the mayor of Kfar Saba. He admits
01:53:53that it's him, he issues a response, we'll read his response, "I understand the concern and the questions," he says, following the publications,
01:53:57"I will cooperate fully with the investigative bodies, I will provide all explanations, I believe
01:54:01that the clarification will allow for a complete picture. Due to the ongoing investigation, I
01:54:04cannot comment on the details at this time. I ask to refrain from drawing conclusions before
01:54:08the facts are clarified." He states that his deputy will fill
01:54:14the police currently know, this is known to be fake, but that's what we
01:54:18know right now. Deputy Inspector Yossi Gazit, Gazit, ah,
02:00:18Hello everyone, good afternoon, we are with the news update for 12 o'clock. Second
02:00:21consecutive day of testimony from the former Attorney General
02:00:25Avichai Mandelblit, and after
02:00:28a confrontation between the Prime Minister's lawyer and the prosecutor, a confrontation that led
02:00:31to a breakdown in the testimony, the testimony resumes and we go to
02:00:35you, Shilit Afiro, with all the updates on what is happening there in court. Yes,
02:00:38Keren, so on the second day of the former legal advisor's testimony,
02:00:42Mandelblit, he was given a side room where he could stay to
02:00:45avoid questions from. directed at him by the
02:00:49journalists and as he stated during the testimony
02:00:52that Netanyahu's lawyer claimed before Mandelblit that
02:00:56they set him up, but there was a quick exchange of words.