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00:00:35Hello everyone, a great disaster in the north, an annual school
00:00:38trip that was supposed to be an experiential and enjoyable one,
00:00:42ended with one dead and more than 20
00:00:44injured. A preliminary investigation reveals that it was most likely an unexploded
00:00:48cluster bomb from Hezbollah, one
00:00:51of the students put the unexploded ordnance
00:00:54in his backpack and then that ordnance exploded.
00:00:57We'll be right back with all the updates from there. On the
00:01:21scenic road of the Ramim ridge, a road that goes down from the area of Kibbutz Yiftah
00:01:25towards Kiryat Shmona, a group of students
00:01:28from Ma'alot. Here, apparently, part of a cluster
00:01:32bomb from a rocket fired by Hezbollah during
00:01:35the war, they apparently stood in a very tight circle,
00:01:39passed that ordnance among themselves, and then at some point there was
00:01:42an explosion, as a result of which the boy who was holding that
00:01:46ordnance was killed, and another 23
00:01:49students were injured, some seriously. The injured
00:01:53students and staff were evacuated by Magen David Adom and IDF
00:01:56Air Force helicopters to the hospitals in Safed,
00:02:00Rambam and Western Galilee in Nahariya. Therefore, very
00:02:04large forces of both rescue and medical, United Hatzalah
00:02:08and many other organizations flowed there to try and help. It took a very long time
00:02:12to evacuate the injured from here, it took
00:02:14a long time because the scene also looked very, very difficult,
00:02:18and I want to show you the sign that is here behind me, a sign
00:02:22that KKL placed here a few
00:02:25weeks, or months even, ago, and it says that entry
00:02:28is forbidden. Because of the war, it doesn't
00:02:31say that there are unexploded ordnance here, but it says
00:02:35something about the war that they are working to rehabilitate this site
00:02:38because of the damage of the war, and despite
00:02:41all this, despite the fact that KKL, who are not a regulatory body, forbid entry
00:02:45to this place, the Ministry of Education, the situation room of the Ministry of Education
00:02:48approved this trip here, I assume we will hear a lot more
00:02:51exchanges of accusations, things,
00:02:54responsibility, blame, many more words will be spilled over
00:02:58this matter, who approved the trip. This and why? Rubi, it's
00:03:01safe to assume that it's not just school students
00:03:05hiking there, it's safe to assume that there are also hikers
00:03:09on the weekend, cyclists, there are other
00:03:12people I assume who hike in these
00:03:14areas. Right, you know, during the war
00:03:18we reported many times about impacts in open areas, and this
00:03:21is the area, an open and dense area that can contain
00:03:24a lot of unexploded ordnance. Now you need to separate,
00:03:27the road behind me is a clear
00:03:31road, there are definitely no unexploded ordnance on it, but when you go a little to the side, there
00:03:35is a very large thicket here, vegetation that grows, the terrain
00:03:38changes, the terrain here changes all the time and it can hide under it
00:03:42many such things, and we
00:03:46know that the area is sown, it is impossible to clear this entire
00:03:48area of all ordnance. However, it is very important
00:03:52to note that nature reserves and hiking trails
00:03:55are safe, they have been cleared and evacuated by sappers
00:03:58and rangers, you need to differentiate between things, there is a very big difference between an open
00:04:02area, an open area and a known
00:04:06hiking trail, approved within some
00:04:09nature reserve. Rubi said snow, from the scene
00:04:12of the incident, thank you very much to you.
00:04:15Thank you. Orly Halkala is at Rambam
00:04:18Hospital, where the injured were evacuated. Orly,
00:04:22hello.
00:04:24Yes, hello Lior. Here at Rambam Hospital, four
00:04:28injured were evacuated, one 60-year-old, the teacher of the trip,
00:04:31his condition is serious, he is still in the operating room, this is already
00:04:35the third hour he is in the operating room, due to the shrapnel
00:04:38in his body, they had to take him to the operating room.
00:04:42Three other teenagers, one in moderate condition, two in
00:04:46light condition, are hospitalized at the children's hospital here, at Rambam
00:04:50Hospital in Haifa, one of them in pediatric
00:04:53intensive care, there is no danger to any of
00:04:56the injured here at the hospital, one of the children.
00:05:01I just heard an explosion, I don't know where from, it was a very, very
00:05:05loud boom and we just flew backwards, and when I opened
00:05:09my eyes I saw that my legs and my hands were full
00:05:13of blood, there were shouts there, people crying, we didn't understand
00:05:16what happened, that child doesn't know how to tell about the unexploded ordnance, if he touched
00:05:20it, or someone else from his friends dealt with it, that's what he
00:05:23tells the medical staff, family members are by their side, also
00:05:27from the yeshiva and from the community came to be
00:05:30and support the family members, they are currently asking, leave us alone,
00:05:34let us be with the children, we have a big miracle that our
00:05:37child survived, and in the
00:05:40hospitals, as Rubi mentioned, six. In Galilee
00:05:43Hospital in Nahariya, one is in serious condition, he is also in the operating room,
00:05:47a boy about 14 years old, and in Ziv Hospital, one
00:05:51boy is also hospitalized in serious condition out of the 13 who arrived there,
00:05:54one is in serious condition, the rest are in moderate and light condition, and there were also
00:05:57others who arrived later at Ziv
00:06:00Hospital in Safed, those who are defined as trauma and asked
00:06:04for psychological help mainly, and of course they received it,
00:06:08all the injured who are here, social workers are also attached to the families.
00:06:12Of course, also to the injured, if so, at Rambam
00:06:16Hospital in Haifa, the doctors say, as soon as the injured arrived, this is not something we haven't
00:06:20seen in the last three years, or at all, since the hospital
00:06:23opened, shrapnel injuries, blast injuries, which are so
00:06:27familiar to us from ordnance, and as Rubi said,
00:06:31remnants of a cluster bomb, the investigation was assigned to
00:06:34both the army and the police sappers
00:06:37who collected all these ordnance items, they are trying
00:06:41to understand, of course. Who held it, what happened, where did they
00:06:44find it? And when Rubi says there was a sign here, then the general
00:06:48said: I and the army together will probably
00:06:51decide to stop the trips, Education Minister Kisch announced,
00:06:54from tomorrow there will be no trips in the north, everyone
00:06:57of course wants to avoid drawing conclusions immediately
00:07:01and God forbid we should be in the same incident, and as Rubi says,
00:07:04it is very possible that in these thickets there are many more unexploded ordnance, and if
00:07:08someone there touches, encounters, as you said, a cyclist.
00:07:11Just stumbles upon it, we see where this can
00:07:15lead. Absolutely. Orly,
00:07:17thank you.
00:07:20Let's say hello, yes, in the studio to our military commentator Roi Sharon, hello, to Ran
00:07:24Hodinov, our education reporter. Roi, I want to start
00:07:27with you about the cluster bomb. What is a cluster
00:07:30bomb? When Hezbollah fires various types of ammunition
00:07:34into Israel, it can be a mortar shell, it can be a drone, it can be
00:07:37a rocket, a cluster bomb is ammunition that has
00:07:41a lot of explosives on it. But it is divided into small
00:07:44pieces, in this case, as we see now on the screen, it doesn't
00:07:48look exactly like the missiles that are launched from Iran
00:07:51and hit here and people see something that looks like a missile or
00:07:55a mortar shell also has such a very distinct shape with fins and a warhead
00:07:59like that, here it might look like metal, it's
00:08:02iron, it weighs about half a kilo, maybe two kilos, something
00:08:05like that, but it doesn't have the classic shape of a bomb and it's possible
00:08:09that the student who picked it up didn't exactly understand what
00:08:12he was doing. And when he picked it up. You don't, you don't really recognize
00:08:16that it's a bomb? Yes, you recognize that it's related to some
00:08:20weapon, it might look like a grenade, a stun grenade or a gas
00:08:23grenade or something in between, but it doesn't look like something
00:08:27that you definitively say, okay, this is something that was
00:08:30fired here and didn't explode. The problem
00:08:33is that it's unexploded ordnance, it's unexploded ordnance, it didn't explode, there could be,
00:08:36the assumption now should be that there are more of these in open
00:08:39areas, because if the air force fires unexploded ordnance. Then they know that the bomb didn't
00:08:43explode if it even hit Israel and not enemy territory,
00:08:47but then they go and send Yahalom or police sappers there,
00:08:51the problem is that Hezbollah fires these, they do searches
00:08:54on hiking trails and check that it's not on
00:08:58roads, but in the open area, wooded
00:09:01area, it's autumn, it rolled
00:09:04and such, I think that this is an urgent task now to go
00:09:08and check, is it even possible, it is possible, you bring volunteers, I don't know from
00:09:11the nature authority. In parks, from the Ministry of Education, from the IDF, from
00:09:14the police, you scan it, in the end the goal is
00:09:18to clear, in professional terms, as many areas as possible, even if they are not
00:09:21walking exactly on the path, because hikers can
00:09:24go off the path and walk 30 meters right, 40 meters left, go
00:09:28and sit in the shade, and then eventually, it's clear that if you see
00:09:32such a thing you shouldn't touch it, but you really need to start
00:09:36from the assumption that there are more of these, and the goal is
00:09:38to prevent more disasters of this kind.
00:09:42And now they are investigating exactly what happened there
00:09:46and how much explosive material it is, but at this stage it matters less, the goal is to prevent the
00:09:50next disaster. Tell me, in the end, most likely this will happen
00:09:54in places so close to the border, or can we find
00:09:58it much deeper in Israeli territory? The areas that suffered
00:10:01more shelling, the Western Galilee and the... and the Upper
00:10:05Galilee, more items fell there that are both for short
00:10:08range, like mortar shells, and also this type of bombs.
00:10:12Gamma, and therefore it is likely that there we will find
00:10:15more, a higher chance that there are more such
00:10:19ordnance items of various types that the enemy fired, that Hezbollah
00:10:22fired and did not explode, and this even. It's like explosives, you know,
00:10:26it doesn't sound like much, but if it's standard explosives, the result is very
00:10:30deadly, as we saw today, that's what we saw, thank you, Iran,
00:10:34hello, hello, the Ministry of Education, I assume, has already
00:10:37started an initial investigation of this incident. Look, first of all, they are checking
00:10:41there, the police are supposed to investigate, and there is no doubt that the head of the yeshiva,
00:10:45and the tour organizer, everyone will have to give an account
00:10:47soon, to the police, because in the end they have
00:10:51responsibility, a school principal who organizes a trip, he has.
00:10:55The responsibility for the safety of the students, but he didn't do a pirate trip
00:10:58here, as a matter of fact, right, there are approvals, the Ministry of Education says, there is approval
00:11:02from the army, and there is approval from the Ministry of Education
00:11:05from the situation room, by the way, the situation room is operated by, in fact,
00:11:08the Society for the Protection of Nature operates the situation room, also
00:11:12for the Ministry of Education, so we saw that sign, I know there is a difference
00:11:16between KKL and the Society for the Protection of Nature, but maybe someone there talked to each other, I
00:11:20still can't understand this contradiction between things, meaning it's very
00:11:23possible that someone approved. In principle, the army told the Ministry of Education that it's possible to go back to hiking
00:11:27in the north, no problem. We need to ask the questions here, did anyone
00:11:31brief the teachers and even then the students, what happens if there is unexploded ordnance
00:11:35in the area? Did anyone tell the teachers,
00:11:38be careful, there might be such things there, how do you deal with it, there is
00:11:42a route plan for the trip, how much they will open it, how they
00:11:45acted when they discovered or didn't discover that there were explosives
00:11:49there, where were the teachers? We know that the trip teacher
00:11:52is in serious condition there, but...
00:11:59Ask all these questions, and the school principals will also have to give answers, there is no choice here, currently we are focusing on two issues, also
00:12:02on the investigation that the police need to do, in less than half
00:12:06an hour we will hear from Education Minister Yoav Kisch, the assessment is that he is going to cancel
00:12:09all trips in the north,
00:12:11in the border area, it is not clear exactly where, by the way, how
00:12:15is this different from what is happening in the south, in the south there are no unexploded ordnance or there cannot be unexploded ordnance,
00:12:19but you, I will rephrase the question, I am a parent, okay,
00:12:23I need to worry tomorrow if my children go on an annual trip, because
00:12:27according to what you are saying,
00:12:29it seems that, so it seems yes, it seems that the Ministry of Education did not know how to do its
00:12:33homework completely. The former Director General of the Ministry
00:12:36of Education, Shimshon Shoshani, who is no longer alive, once told me, the Director
00:12:40General's circulars for trips were
00:12:43written in blood, truly so. You know
00:12:46that 30 years ago, a Director
00:12:49General's circular was suddenly added to the Ministry of Education stating that it is forbidden to enter water sources without
00:12:53lifeguard services, this happened because a student drowned
00:12:55to death, and may we not know, the Tzafit stream disaster changed
00:12:59all the Director General's circulars here. There was also a dispute between the Ministry of Defense and the Ministry
00:13:03of Education regarding the camps, but these things changed and they will have to do
00:13:07their homework here. Did they check, teams, did they clean
00:13:10the area, who checked, was it just a principled approval or not? By the way, this route I understand from the school, it's a small
00:13:14school,
00:13:1750 students in total went out, we are talking about the entire
00:13:21junior high, 7th, 8th, that's why we also see the mix.
00:13:31All of this will need to be checked, who briefed them,
00:13:34how much, and there are no answers to this. The second issue is that there is currently a second circle of affected people, they are currently, as I understand it, still in Kibbutz Yiftah, there are resilience
00:13:37teams there, students who experienced a very, very difficult
00:13:41psychological trauma. They need to be enveloped, hugged, social
00:13:44workers need to arrive and do the conversations. They saw
00:13:48their friend killed and their friends injured and their teachers
00:13:52injured. We are also seeing the pictures on the screen now. Of course,
00:13:57also
00:14:01in the hospitals in the first circle, and we are waiting for the Education Minister's statement in a
00:14:05short while. Liran Hujinoff, thank you.
00:14:07As mentioned, Education Minister Yoav Kisch is supposed to issue
00:14:11or give a statement at 7:30.
00:14:15We will of course be there as soon as it happens
00:14:18to understand what is happening there on the ground and how safe the area
00:14:22is for hikers. We say hello
00:14:25to Eliran Caesar, a tour guide in the north, Eliran,
00:14:28hello. Hello, hello, it's dangerous
00:14:32in the north.
00:14:36More than ever, yes, but that shouldn't
00:14:39prevent trips to the north at all, but what you're
00:14:42saying isn't new, meaning, if you're saying it's dangerous in the north,
00:14:46it was probably dangerous yesterday too, and a week
00:14:49ago.
00:14:52Uh, it's dangerous because we're at war, but also. We went through this
00:14:55after the Second Lebanon War in 2006, then too there were
00:14:59many. The principle is
00:15:02simple it's not
00:15:05to violate basic
00:15:08rules. Basic rules are really to walk
00:15:11on the path. If the group had walked on the path, nothing
00:15:15would have happened, nothing would have happened to them.
00:15:18The moment you do, go off the path, go into the bush,
00:15:22do things that are not normal, it's fine. I don't know
00:15:25what the investigation says, whether the child really took some
00:15:29kind of shrapnel or something like that
00:15:33and that's where it came from, but the moment you walk on the path, you are
00:15:37absolutely.
00:15:43Absolutely, tell us, by the way, the Golan Heights, we will interview
00:15:47that child whose leg was amputated, he
00:15:50is no longer a child, yes, but we will interview him
00:15:53later in the program. I want to focus with you
00:15:57on the geographical aspect, please describe it to us.