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00:00:02The principle is simple. He should not
00:00:05make up the basic
00:00:08lives. This is really going through the path. If
00:00:12the group had gone through the path, nothing
00:00:15would have happened. Nothing would have been damaged. No one would have come to them. The moment
00:00:19you go down the path, you do things
00:00:23that are not normal. It's fine, according to I don't know what the investigation says, if
00:00:27the child really took some
00:00:31shard or something of that kind, and from there it stemmed. But the moment
00:00:34you walk on the path, you are definitely safe because
00:00:38the path protects you.
00:00:41Like everywhere else in the Golan Heights, absolutely. Tell us,
00:00:44by the way, the Golan Heights. We will later interview that same child
00:00:48whose leg was amputated. He's not a child anymore, yes, but
00:00:52we will interview him later in the program. I
00:00:55want to focus with you for a moment on the geographical level.
00:00:58Tell us, how do those routes look like, both in the
00:01:02Kiryat Shmona area, Metula area, generally along
00:01:06the border with Lebanon?
00:01:09The routes we hike on, first of all, are routes
00:01:13where the path is clear,
00:01:15okay? The path is clear, usually also marked
00:01:18with signs, and you know where you're going, and it's
00:01:22not, it's impossible to get confused, really.
00:01:25They did a very good job,
00:01:28and it's hard to get confused.
00:01:31A. If you remember, I'll take you to something else, another story. About
00:01:3510-15 years ago, there was a story where someone went down to a minefield
00:01:38in the Golan Heights, and two children also ended up in a
00:01:42terrible tragedy. Again, the moment you stick
00:01:45to the path and you walk, you are safe. The moment
00:01:49you deviate from it and start looking in the
00:01:51thicket of trees, you get into trouble.
00:01:54And therefore, anyone who wants to hike and does and adheres to
00:01:57this principle is... At a very
00:02:01high level of safety, at a very high level of safety. And the paths
00:02:05look, look, you don't walk in a thicket. Even when you walk
00:02:08through a dense forest, then
00:02:11the path is about a meter and a half
00:02:14wide, two meters. The narrow
00:02:17paths, sometimes even more. And the paths
00:02:21are clear, okay?
00:02:23So it shouldn't be pretty, it shouldn't be expensive,
00:02:27okay? Come on, we say, the creator of the path, well. That the path is smarter
00:02:31than those who hike on it, because
00:02:34the path knows where to go, it protects you. Let's talk practically for a moment. Today is Tuesday.
00:02:38In three days, we're entering another weekend.
00:02:41Good weather. I assume many hikers in the north.
00:02:45But this time, Eliran, private hikers,
00:02:49meaning families who come, mother, children, do they need
00:02:52to get some kind of permit, or can they enter
00:02:56any of the trails?
00:03:07There is a nature hotline. Whoever is worried and wants to, there is a hotline
00:03:10where you can find and check if
00:03:14you can or can't. Sometimes these are things related
00:03:17to, as they say, natural events,
00:03:20floods, rains, landslides, things of this
00:03:22sort. This is one thing. You can always call
00:03:26this hotline. You can also call the Nature and Parks Authority.
00:03:30Since a large part of the trails pass through nature reserves and national
00:03:34parks, they can also give you a pretty accurate
00:03:36answer.
00:03:39In the areas we're talking about in the south, hardly
00:03:42any missiles arrived, and the danger is
00:03:46minimal. The danger is really in the geographical areas,
00:03:49which are the mountainous areas of western Galilee, those
00:03:53that are close.
00:03:56And yes, and the forested area where nature is high, that's it. Exactly
00:04:00the place, right. Yes, and if you want, all the area north
00:04:03of Safed and all the villages near, as they say, the
00:04:07northern road, right and left,
00:04:10it is in danger.
00:04:12Now, if someone wants to go to places like
00:04:16Nahal Amud or Nahal Gazir, then the place is well-traveled,
00:04:20and the probability is small. If someone goes to a less
00:04:23known place, the probability that it hasn't been cleared or discovered
00:04:27will always be higher. In any case, b. Everyone
00:04:36passed there, and several months have passed, and therefore
00:04:39this danger, and even if someone goes with children, they should watch over the children so that they don't
00:04:43run off the side of the road, okay? And then he
00:04:47is relatively safe. Eliran Kesar, a tour
00:04:50guide in the north. Thank you very much. You're welcome.
00:04:54Everything is fine. We are now going to Haim Goldich, who is
00:04:57outside the high school
00:05:00in Ma'alot-Tarshiha, from where the students
00:05:03also came. Haim, hello.
00:05:07Yes, hello, Elior. So we really arrived here not long ago. We
00:05:11understand that in the last few hours here at the school, the educational
00:05:15staff together with teams from the municipality, youth movements, parents,
00:05:18teachers, we're talking about a very large high school with hundreds of students. Those who went
00:05:22on this trip were only junior high students, grades
00:05:257th and 8th.
00:05:28About 50 students with their educational staff.
00:05:32The students themselves did not come here. They were taken to a nearby kibbutz,
00:05:36those who were not injured, of course, and they are still being treated. Their
00:05:39families are currently here at the school. They are trying to provide
00:05:43support to the rest of the students in the school, some of whom
00:05:47may have siblings who were on the trip, family members,
00:05:50and there is a lot of activity here. Also Magen David Adom
00:05:54teams, police, parents, and teachers. We tried to approach
00:05:57some of the parents from the school
00:06:01and also people from the educational staff. For now, they are not interested in being interviewed, very
00:06:04shocked by the incident that happened here. Indeed, a very
00:06:08great tragedy. Also a casualty, a student
00:06:10of the yeshiva, and also many injured. Ah, here
00:06:14they are trying to ease the burden. We will try to perhaps find some
00:06:18parents later and get back to you, perhaps with more details that will tell us what
00:06:22happened. Indeed, Haim Goldich from outside the
00:06:25school, Ma'alot-Tarshiha. Thank you very
00:06:28much. Niran, I want to get back to you, with your permission,
00:06:32and talk about the future of annual trips. You know, we were both kids, we
00:06:36know what an annual trip is. Could it be that this whole incident
00:06:40will be jeopardized from now on? Look, ah, we are also
00:06:43in an election period, and I'm not connecting
00:06:46it, but Minister of Education Kish and this government will not want
00:06:50another incident and disaster and responsibility to be on
00:06:53their name. And therefore, it's possible that as a precaution, as we also heard the police commissioner
00:06:56earlier, he will say, "I am canceling the trips for now." What is "for now"? For how
00:07:00long? They will need to investigate what happened there. The police have only just
00:07:04started investigating, and the army, of course, also needs to conduct its investigation.
00:07:07And of course, they need to involve the JNF (KKL-JNF) who planted
00:07:10a fence there. Maybe they knew something that no one else knows. No one will correct anyone. This is something that needs
00:07:14to be checked. But ah, ah, for now, I understand
00:07:17that it's only for the northern area. This is what they are considering. Ah, I'm
00:07:21still trying to find out how many trips are supposed to go to the northern area. I remind you
00:07:24that the Ministry of Education, once the war ended, once the IDF remained, actually
00:07:28encouraged students to come to the north. It's an area that so
00:07:32desperately needs students, needs money,
00:07:34of course, to revive the place. Here, these are students from more or less the same
00:07:38area, yes. These are not students who came from the center to the north.
00:07:44All in all, there in the area, they didn't travel that far,
00:07:47and trips are still going there. We are waiting
00:07:50for a statement from the Minister of Education. For now, I understand that it's only for the
00:07:53northern area. Naturally, the area itself is already closed
00:07:56where the disaster happened, so no
00:08:00hiker will be able to get there. But again, the question is whether this provides a guarantee
00:08:03for very stressed parents who tomorrow need to go on a trip,
00:08:07because I understand the parents' stress. Parents are stressed,
00:08:10and by the way, we talked about the responsibility of school principals, of trip coordinators.
00:08:14It's a very big responsibility. Even if they got
00:08:17the approvals, you understand that there are still things they need to do, still
00:08:20to do, still to go through briefings. You know, there's a director-general's circular on the level
00:08:24of how much each student needs to bring in their water bottle
00:08:27and leave. Meaning, sometimes it goes down to small details, and here we see that there are still missing details
00:08:31and it's not clear to us who cleared the area. Did the IDF just
00:08:34stay? The IDF will stay. Did anyone check how long it will stay? Was
00:08:38the area clean? These are really questions that the police will have to answer.
00:08:42Answer. Liran, you stay
00:08:45with us for now, because we are waiting for the statement from the Minister
00:08:49of Education. We will definitely want to hear
00:08:51your input on this
00:08:55matter. But in the meantime, there is an incident here.
00:08:58The incident is mines, duds, something that has been with
00:09:02us for a very long time. Roi Nahari is joining
00:09:05us now. Roi is the CEO of
00:09:08OPMS company. I hope I pronounced that correctly. A company that...
00:09:18Hello, hello, hello. Tell us what your company
00:09:21does?
00:09:24Our company supervises projects for clearing
00:09:27mines and duds here in Israel,
00:09:30and basically we remove the dangers
00:09:34that exist, from minefields and in areas
00:09:38that are at risk of duds,
00:09:41according to the... according to the guidelines of the state, of the Ministry
00:09:44of Defense. Tell me, isn't this something that should be
00:09:48under the sole responsibility of the defense establishment, of the Ministry of Defense,
00:09:51the IDF?
00:09:56I'm not sure I'm the authorized person to answer that, but to the best
00:09:59of my understanding, this public space
00:10:02of these open areas is an area that is
00:10:05under the responsibility of the police, but not under the responsibility of the army
00:10:09and the Ministry of Defense. The areas under the responsibility of the army and the Ministry. Indeed, they are
00:10:12the areas they own, for example, the areas where the IDF trains,
00:10:16the areas that are fenced off by the Ministry of Defense,
00:10:20not these areas, okay? Let's map out
00:10:23for us, ah, the danger zones, the areas
00:10:26where I assume your company works.
00:10:30In Israel, right on
00:10:33the map. How does it work
00:10:34exactly?
00:10:37Look, regarding minefields, the danger, the danger is
00:10:41relatively clearer, because these areas are well
00:10:44defined in all our maps
00:10:47in Israel, well fenced and well controlled throughout
00:10:51the country, and yes, also in the north. Everything
00:10:55related to duds, the risk is a very
00:10:59broad risk. We are still at war,
00:11:02as unpleasant as it is to say it,
00:11:05and duds are part of the risks in these open
00:11:08spaces and areas. Ah, they shot at us almost
00:11:12everywhere in the country, and duds
00:11:16may be in the vicinity of
00:11:20these areas, the open areas throughout
00:11:22the country, including the Galilee. And the North
00:11:26that suffered a lot
00:11:29during this war. Therefore, the risk
00:11:32exists. It can be a single
00:11:35item or several scattered single items
00:11:38in the area where the public can
00:11:42come, and locating
00:11:46these items is like looking for a needle in a haystack. Yes, but you have
00:11:49indications for places where there might be
00:11:53more duds. In this
00:11:55area,
00:11:57then listen, we're talking about the Galilee region.
00:12:01It was all hit, both the open areas and the settlements. All the residents
00:12:05of the north know this very well. And therefore, the
00:12:09issue with duds in the end is not the item,
00:12:13but rather the awareness.
00:12:16Our awareness is much more important, all
00:12:18the public, especially children, especially
00:12:21teenagers, especially teachers, and all of us, parents. Everyone
00:12:25who travels, and everyone who moves around in this area, in the open
00:12:28areas, awareness of suspicious
00:12:32objects, of unidentified objects,
00:12:35and it's easier and more important
00:12:38to prevent touching them, ah, touching
00:12:42them, sorry, ah, to understand what to do when you see a suspicious object,
00:12:46and that is to report it to the police, and to stay away,
00:12:49and to mark it, and not to touch it. Tell us
00:12:52how you actually work, just the... I'm just trying
00:12:55to understand how it works. You come
00:12:59to an area that you
00:13:01or your company are supposed to clear. How do you
00:13:05work? How do you do it? So,
00:13:08that's exactly the point, that this is our profession.
00:13:11We are professionals in explosives,
00:13:14ammunition, duds. What do you do? This is our profession,
00:13:18this is our civilian profession, and when we deal with duds,
00:13:22exactly like police sappers whose expertise is disposal.
00:13:25And engineers of various kinds and the Yahalom unit, that's their
00:13:28expertise. When there's a dud, we wear
00:13:31protective clothing, we have detectors, we have
00:13:35goggles, we mark and distance
00:13:38and tables of safety distances. We
00:13:41identify what the dud is. That's our profession, to know what it is,
00:13:45and determine its risk. We keep civilians away,
00:13:48and we know how to neutralize the danger. When you clear, there are two
00:13:52characteristics. Yes, when you... There are two
00:13:55characteristics that are important for the public to know about
00:13:58a dud, okay? And that is
00:14:01that it's very curious and it has
00:14:05a lot of patience. A dud is just waiting
00:14:09to explode. I would say, both patience
00:14:12and something that's curious. This is
00:14:16a correct message, and it's a super
00:14:19important message, because the more curious it is, the more
00:14:22dangerous it is. And... The more
00:14:25God forbid, any action is taken on it by someone
00:14:29who is not professional to touch
00:14:32this dud, it can explode, no matter what
00:14:35action, and we also don't know what action, and it doesn't matter what action. If you identify
00:14:39a suspicious object, do not touch it. Report it.
00:14:43When you are not... Not clear. Clear. Just one last question,
00:14:46with your permission, when you enter such areas,
00:14:49hiking areas, to clear these
00:14:53areas, do you really enter also
00:14:57the open areas, meaning off-road, outside the trails
00:15:00themselves?
00:15:03We know how to do everything they define for us. Companies, like my company,
00:15:07that work in this market here in Israel, receive
00:15:10a defined area that has a risk of duds, and they need
00:15:14to submit it when,
00:15:16back to the state, when the risk of duds is
00:15:20zero. I understand. To do this, you need to receive a very defined area
00:15:24where there is a risk. And here we are talking about an area
00:15:27that is very difficult to fence
00:15:30off, to say, "Okay, we are looking at such a point
00:15:33or another." You need to define an area that will be
00:15:36scanned.
00:15:52Thank you very much.
00:15:55Thank you. Liran, I want to get back to you before
00:15:57the statement
00:16:00from Minister of Education Yoav Kish. You, at some point, already
00:16:04connected between the elections and
00:16:08this event, uh, in a certain way. When I
00:16:11take a step forward, if there were no elections, would there really have been such a statement
00:16:15in your opinion? I believe so. After all, there's an event here, and it's
00:16:19a very big disaster. I God forbid, don't say
00:16:22that Kish's intentions are such, but as a precaution, I
00:16:26think we're taking another step here, by the way, as a precaution, to say, "I must
00:16:30calm the parents, because I understand parents who tomorrow need to send
00:16:33their children on a trip, need to send the children." By the way, it's not just school
00:16:37trips, youth movements, everything. Ah, the Ministry of Education's situation
00:16:40room also approves them. Meaning, it's possible that there was
00:16:44an approval from the Ministry of Education's situation room, that the IDF
00:16:47gave an initial approval, and yet we see on the ground that the checks were not
00:16:51done properly. So again, we need to see if it's
00:16:55indeed related. Minister of Education Kish, whose intentions I don't belittle, there is really
00:16:58a difficult event here. The students are in a difficult situation, and there was a difficult
00:17:02tragedy here. Let's see, we understand, ah. That Minister of Education Kish
00:17:06intends to cancel the trips at least in the northern area. It's possible that in the
00:17:10border area too, who defines what the northern area is? We heard earlier Rubi. Most
00:17:13of the duds were also
00:17:17in the Western Galilee and in the Upper Galilee. What
00:17:21happens in other places? It can't reach there. Did they clear everything?
00:17:25No one, I'm sure no one will want to take responsibility now, especially not
00:17:28in the northern district of the Ministry of Education. Absolutely,
00:17:31Liran, you remain with us for now because we are waiting
00:17:35for the statement from the Minister of Education.
00:17:38Elections in 15 days. Let's move on to a topic, what
00:17:42is called in a way, how
00:17:45shall we say, we cut sharply to the right or
00:17:48left, it doesn't matter. Shachar Glick, Ya'ar HaShfira. Hello, hello.
00:17:5215 days, right? Yes, I was right. You are counting
00:17:55the seconds. Two weeks and one day.
00:17:58And first of all, yesterday's poll of ours with a reversal between
00:18:02the blocs. You see in the numbers Netanyahu's bloc rising to 53
00:18:05seats. Gantz's bloc, if we don't count Hendel and Sa'ar with him,
00:18:09drops to 50 seats. The Arab parties remain
00:18:13stable, and so do Sa'ar and Hendel. But you really see
00:18:16in this change that Netanyahu continues to gain momentum, a bit
00:18:20artificial, because it's happening because Ofer and Vanter are passing the electoral threshold.
00:18:24But those who are really falling, and falling, are the change bloc, again and again,
00:18:27week after week, another seat and another seat. Seven seats
00:18:30in two months, that's how much the bloc lost, this bloc. And again, much of it is really around
00:18:34the electoral threshold games, but the overall picture.
00:18:39It's possible that following the data we presented here
00:18:42yesterday in the poll, Netanyahu will change direction and will no longer attack
00:18:46Vanter. A, why change direction? The data was excellent for Netanyahu yesterday
00:18:50in the poll, so maybe he should say, "Okay, I'll let him pass the
00:18:54electoral threshold." That's against. Look, we always need
00:18:57to wonder
00:18:59if there's some kind of double game here, right? That's the question
00:19:02hanging in the air, because it's possible that to a large extent, what
00:19:06caused Ofer to pass the electoral threshold again was precisely
00:19:09the attacks from the coalition. At first, they activated
00:19:13him, and at some point, the attacks became so significant
00:19:16and lost credibility, I would like to say, in some way, because in the end,
00:19:20there's a limit. You can't say about Ofer Vanter that he's part of the left
00:19:24bloc. I mean, you can try, but at some point, it just annoys people,
00:19:28and it seems to me that's what brought Vanter above the electoral threshold. We need to say about
00:19:32the threshold in our poll, he is passing, really
00:19:35just barely scraping the electoral threshold from above this time, but
00:19:39really just scraping it. And Sa'ar and Hendel, by the way, are actually
00:19:42doing well. Not even Hendel and Sa'ar are close to a fifth seat
00:19:46in our poll, the same numbers. But from the
00:19:50other side of the numbers, in the end, it converges to four
00:19:53seats. But there is some significance to four seats, from the low
00:19:57or high side, which we... In the end, these are not the real results. We are just trying to read
00:20:01the picture and understand the trends.
00:20:03Clearly, I think that Likud is taking
00:20:07a very big risk with Ofer Vanter. Ah, these attacks,
00:20:11but but Vanter makes them take
00:20:15some kind of gamble, because Netanyahu doesn't trust him,
00:20:18really on a personal level he doesn't trust him,
00:20:21as a coalition partner. He would not want to find him in the coalition
00:20:24negotiations after these elections. And on the other hand, it's clear
00:20:28that if they manage to bring Vanter down, but not enough, then he will burn a lot
00:20:32of right-wing votes. Let's talk a bit about the change bloc. Benet
00:20:36yesterday stands up.
00:20:38And essentially does a flip-flop regarding Netanyahu. "I would have given him
00:20:42to be a minister," and then is immediately attacked by
00:20:45the entire bloc with him, who just
00:20:48a week ago claimed they weren't... What happened there? Yes, it seems
00:20:52his partners were waiting for him in the corner. Meaning, Benet said it jokingly,
00:20:56in response to some rhetorical question
00:20:59from the audience. But you know, this really teaches more about the change
00:21:03bloc than about Netanyahu, no? Meaning, you see that he really
00:21:07hurries to apologize, and you see that minutes after it was said,
00:21:09Avigdor Liberman and Gadi Eisenkot
00:21:13attack him and say, "Absolutely not!" And also Yair Golan. Meaning, the members
00:21:17of the change bloc are mainly busy trying to take
00:21:20votes from each other and briefing against each other
00:21:23and showing how everyone tries to catch him in the corner
00:21:27with his words. Today, Eisenkot also puts it out there and is already running a campaign
00:21:31right over their heads. Meaning, "You need to vote for me so that I can be the largest party. Only if I am big
00:21:34will we be able to form a government." Why exactly? Because you know,
00:21:38in the end, unlike Netanyahu's bloc in the opposition, there is no
00:21:41clear leader, even if Eisenkot definitely has the most seats and is currently emerging
00:21:45as a candidate. They don't say no, but but but you know,
00:21:49in the end. What is it for? To be a clear leader, you need enough seats behind you. Netanyahu
00:21:53has his whole bloc, 53 seats, who come and say, "He will be Prime
00:21:56Minister." Gadi Eisenkot has his people, and that's it.
00:22:00Meaning, Yair Golan doesn't talk about it clearly and concisely. He talked
00:22:04about it a bit. Those who certainly don't talk about it are neither Liberman nor Benet nor Lapid. Meaning,
00:22:08no one is willing to say that they are standing behind him. So
00:22:11Eisenkot doesn't really have a bloc behind him. And therefore, you
00:22:14know, in an attempt for everyone to be prime minister themselves later on, they are mainly
00:22:18busy trying to take from each other, and less really in the big
00:22:22battle. Yaron, President Isaac Herzog appears at
00:22:25the Yedioth Ahronoth conference and says, "I will do everything
00:22:29to prevent additional elections." Essentially, to get
00:22:32out of this deadlock. And immediately he is attacked by Yair
00:22:36Lapid, and then they ask themselves, "Okay, what is 'everything'? Everything includes
00:22:39a unity government? Everything includes what exactly?" Yair Lapid is
00:22:43the first and only one to issue a response that says, "I really hope Herzog isn't trying
00:22:47again to force such a false unity, in which
00:22:50Netanyahu will lie to his partners." Look, I think
00:22:53that Herzog is very sincere in his
00:22:56intention to try and reach agreements after
00:22:59the elections, in a way that will prevent reaching another
00:23:03election. Assuming we reach real election results
00:23:06that look more or less like Dudi Hassid's polls, then indeed there's no solution,
00:23:10and we need political solutions that are outside the box. What's outside
00:23:13the box? There are some that are intra-bloc.
00:23:17Eisenkot suggested one of them, right? A solution outside the box.
00:23:20He says: "Let's form a minority government. Whoever wants, it doesn't matter if they're Arabs
00:23:24or what exactly they are. Whoever wants to abstain, let them abstain,
00:23:28and we will swear in a government." Would Liberman agree to such a situation,
00:23:31to such a declaration? Currently he says no, and maybe
00:23:35it depends on the price. I'm saying, there are all sorts of solutions that are outside the box.
00:23:39Does it include a unity government? Is that something
00:23:42reasonable for the president to put on the table? If we reach
00:23:46election results that look like this, very likely, very likely that the
00:23:50option of a unity government, very likely he will try
00:23:53to use a pardon for Netanyahu as a political
00:23:56tool. All this basket of options is definitely on
00:23:59the table. And in this sense, Yair
00:24:02Lapid's fear, if he was afraid, then it was a justified fear, because
00:24:06in the absence of a decision, someone who really doesn't want a unity
00:24:10government may be disappointed. I'll use
00:24:13the one barometer for both of you. I'll start with you,
00:24:16Shachar. The correspondences of Ulrich and all the
00:24:20noise around those correspondences, how much influence does
00:24:23that have in the end? Pollsters like
00:24:27to use two words: "everything is priced in." Meaning, in the end,
00:24:30people are familiar with the conduct of Netanyahu's office based
00:24:33on dozens of publications over the years. Those who are influenced by it
00:24:37are already out, already gone. Meaning, you know, those who said it back then in the last
00:24:41week of the Knesset when they passed all the laws that caused a stir around the Haredim, those
00:24:44who left Netanyahu because of his relations with the Haredim or because of the conduct of the people
00:24:48around him or because of corruption have already left him. Now
00:24:53no one suddenly gets up and says, "Oh, that's how the office is run, so I'll leave." There were enough publications that whoever believed them believed them until now,
00:24:57and whoever doesn't believe them doesn't believe them now either. Those who are influenced by it
00:25:00were already influenced until now, and those who aren't, aren't. And that's why we see such a long stagnation.
00:25:04Meaning, it's also the security events, from Iran to
00:25:07Fly Dubai. In the end, everyone has already made up their mind. Those who were
00:25:11moved by it were already moved by it in the previous stages.
00:25:15Excellent. Against repeat elections.
00:25:18Exactly. So I ask. If there's no movement and nothing
00:25:22is changing, why do we keep trying anyway and deciphering things
00:25:26if everything is not... So you see that there are indeed very, very small movements, but they're not happening.
00:25:30It makes you... but I'm allowed to be a hero
00:25:33and get out. I want to tell you, on the contrary,
00:25:37on the contrary, if we are in a situation where we are really on
00:25:40the edge and every seat matters, you need
00:25:43to follow every trend in the polls, because every trend really dictates
00:25:46the outcome. What's the surprise for you two? Go with
00:25:50me. No, give me a surprise, not results.
00:25:54Who will be the surprise of the elections? So, let's just say, again, I don't know what
00:25:58to tell you, no, wait, but I will say, where are my eyes
00:26:02going?
00:26:11The electoral threshold at the last minute. But I remind you that two elections ago,
00:26:14everyone thought Ra'am would fall, and suddenly it passed. Meaning, I think the surprise
00:26:18will really be in those areas. Suddenly, I don't know, the Haredi public party or some small
00:26:22party that you didn't imagine will rise, or indeed both of them collapsed,
00:26:25also, meaning, Sa'ar with 3.3 in our last
00:26:28poll and also Vanter with 3.3%. Both
00:26:32of them are too close to the electoral threshold.
00:26:35In my estimation, it will be around there, but you know, the nature of surprises is that they are
00:26:38surprising. Yarak Pazil, his twin sister, ah,
00:26:42I'll even risk more. I think the large
00:26:45parties will lose seats, both Likud
00:26:49and last in the real
00:26:52results. Yes, I'm talking, but when will this happen? You'll see this threshold
00:26:55where at the last minute small parties in the same
00:26:58bloc. Ah, usually we are used to saying the opposite, right? That at the last minute the big
00:27:19ones will fall, and that we will see a political map
00:27:22that is more flat, which will allow
00:27:26more political maneuvering the day after. You see a party that has
00:27:29never passed the electoral threshold and suddenly it
00:27:33will pass at the last minute as a kind of protest vote or a wave or a
00:27:36trend. So again, it's far two, it's far. We are all
00:27:40talking about Vanter and Sa'ar now, it's not not... I'm talking even
00:27:44more. Vanter and Sa'ar have already passed. Someone who hasn't passed, Gantz,
00:27:47the Haredi public. So again, I said. several times on this
00:27:51issue. I don't know if it's up to the level of passing the electoral threshold. I think the Haredi public is
00:27:55our blind spot. We don't see how widespread this story is.
00:27:58Again, right now, it's far from the electoral threshold, but it's much bigger than how.
00:28:04It's more than that. These are people who are truly in every synagogue in the Haredi public,
00:28:07in the soft underbelly of the Haredi public, in its mainstream, and not just in the
00:28:11liberal Haredi public. Friends, it was
00:28:14fascinating, just trying to open you up
00:28:17and say, "Come on, you said it," and so on. The podcast is coming soon, thank you,
00:28:21thank you very much, the podcast is coming soon, indeed. Good,
00:28:24we're going back to the disaster on the trip
00:28:27in the North. In fact, we're going back 16
00:28:30years, to 2010. Daniel Yuval was only
00:28:3411 when he stepped on a mine on Mount Orital in the Golan
00:28:37Heights, and his foot was amputated. This is how it sounded. So
00:28:41here. Yuval reconstructs today in front of the cameras the trip to Mount
00:28:45Orital that began as a day of fun in the Golan and ended
00:28:48in disaster and the amputation of his foot. And suddenly
00:28:52we heard an explosion, and apparently I stepped
00:28:55just a centimeter from the mine,
00:28:58and nothing happened to my little brother Yoav, because he was... right behind
00:29:01my dad.
00:29:042,000 minefields are scattered in the Golan Heights, containing more
00:29:08than a million mines. Some say it's the most mined area
00:29:12in the world, and yet, in many fields, the
00:29:15signs are faded and the fences
00:29:17are breached. And we saw many people around us,
00:29:21and there was no sign of a fence or
00:29:24mines. And only
00:29:27at the top, far from us,
00:29:31if. That there
00:29:34might have been mines that we didn't cross
00:29:37them. Over the years, dozens of civilians have been injured in the Golan Heights by
00:29:41mines that exploded near homes or in popular
00:29:45hiking areas.
00:29:47Yes, and now he's with us. Hello,
00:29:50Daniel. Hello. Take
00:29:54us back 16 years, following the event that happened
00:29:57this afternoon. How did you feel
00:30:01then? What happened? A year ago, I was on a trip
00:30:04to see snow with my family in the Golan Heights, an 11-year-old
00:30:08boy.
00:30:10We arrived in the Golan Heights to play in the snow, me and my whole
00:30:13family. We played in the snow for just a few
00:30:16minutes, and then I stepped on
00:30:19a mine. My leg was amputated below
00:30:22the knee. My other leg was also very badly injured. I was injured
00:30:26in the calf muscle. And then began
00:30:29a very, very long journey to recover
00:30:33and return to life. Tell me, Daniel, how did it make you feel
00:30:37when you heard the news today about that unexploded ordnance that also
00:30:41led to a fatality,
00:30:42unfortunately?
00:30:45First of all, my heart goes out to the victim's family,
00:30:49and of course I also wish a speedy recovery to all the
00:30:52injured and their families.
00:30:55Ah, it's a difficult, difficult event, a disaster.
00:30:59Everything must be done, everything, everything to prevent this from happening. It cannot happen. Everything
00:31:02possible to prevent it. It's true that we are a country
00:31:06in a state of war, but still, everything must be done to prevent such
00:31:10incidents. Daniel, do you think that following the very
00:31:13tragic incident that happened to you, lessons were
00:31:17learned regarding unexploded ordnance in the field,
00:31:20mines? I think
00:31:24that the legislation was, it was a significant
00:31:27step to learn lessons,
00:31:30and an authority was also established, everything can be better,
00:31:34and this is something that must be improved,
00:31:38and must be prevented in the future. It cannot be that such events happen like what happened
00:31:41today. Do you know of other incidents
00:31:44that happened in these matters that ended miraculously, or are these
00:31:47things you don't really follow anymore?
00:31:51Not something as serious as what happened today. Since
00:31:55I was injured, there was one event I heard about,
00:31:58but today it's something else entirely.
00:32:02After your incident, Israel actually stepped up
00:32:05the mine clearance that is also located, among other places,
00:32:08in hiking areas. Do you think there is still
00:32:11a lot of work to be done around this issue, or is it
00:32:15a story that we essentially have no choice but to accept, and it's
00:32:18fate? Those unexploded ordnance will always be there, and there's nothing we can do about
00:32:22it.
00:32:27Look, when I was injured and we passed the legislation for mine
00:32:31clearance, the expectation was that within 15 years
00:32:34Israel would be mine-free. And then I remember myself as a child saying, "20
00:32:3825, Israel is mine-free," and unexploded ordnance, of course, that didn't
00:32:40happen. And
00:32:44it's just something
00:32:46that must
00:32:49be taken to a place where we can improve it, and we must improve it,
00:32:52because we are not there. Daniel Yuval, thank you very much for
00:32:56these words. Thank you very much.
00:32:59Let's just remember that Daniel Yuval
00:33:02is now 27 years old. We remember
00:33:05him as a child from that tragic
00:33:08event. This concludes our special broadcast.
00:33:11We will immediately go live from the site of the explosion in the Ramim Ridge.
00:33:15And the statement by Minister of Education Yoav Kisch at Rambam
00:33:18Hospital. Immediately the headlines of Kan News
00:33:22with Tali Moreno. Have a good evening, everyone, a quiet evening.
00:33:36Come, Khumi, we're going to vote. Wait, where's my ballot box, really?
00:33:40Carefree, not me this time.
00:33:42Carefree.
00:33:45Ah, the voter's notice, do you know where I vote? Don't worry,
00:33:49I've got you. No, I've got you, I'm telling you, the address,
00:33:53the ballot box number, everything is on me. Look,
00:33:56it's on me, it says, come, come see how it's done. You go to the Ministry
00:34:00of Interior website and everything is here. Excuse me, did anyone talk
00:34:02to you? Wait, I have a phone call. Forget
00:34:05about the computer, it's just updating software. I'm already in your
00:34:09hand. Just send a message, provided you have battery. Do you even
00:34:13remember your password? Wait. Do you and you and you know where I
00:34:16vote? Yes, of course, everyone knows, except you. So,
00:34:20who are you voting for? Uh, I'm voting for...
00:34:24Ahead of Election Day, find out where you vote. Search online for a ballot
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00:34:35of Interior. Tonight on Kan
00:34:39News.
00:34:43One dead and 23
00:34:51one of the children there on the rabbi and on two
00:34:54children.
00:34:57The testimonies from the trip that ended in disaster, the approval
00:35:01for the route, and the suspicion of negligence that led
00:35:04to the explosion. The trip is approved according to all
00:35:07criteria, and there's no such thing as going on a trip without
00:35:10approvals from all
00:35:11parties.
00:35:45I would like to say that I personally, neither I nor my colleagues in the group
00:35:48were surprised.
00:35:55And also 40 years to Alex Holi Love, the movie
00:35:58that became.