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00:00:00originally, then people were arrested because then punished by the public, he
00:00:04must be guilty, of course not so, when we uphold the law
00:00:07we must really pay attention to their rights,
00:00:10the procedure must be correct, if the law enforcement
00:00:13procedure is not correct, it is the same as taking
00:00:16the law into your own hands. Well, this is what we certainly need to look at wisely,
00:00:20okay, the Attorney General's Office also has a responsibility
00:00:23to carry out its functions correctly. Just imagine, in one of the investigation
00:00:27warrants, it was stated that the incident occurred in
00:00:312028. This is 2026. How is it
00:00:34possible that the writing is very fatal?
00:00:38If it's two, if it's three, we found nine or even
00:00:41more. Is that proper law enforcement? Well,
00:00:45that's the issue we're going to test. We're not
00:00:48saying we're definitely right, but that's the issue we want
00:00:52to take to the pre-trial process. If the
00:00:55substance of law enforcement is the Attorney General's Office, please proceed.
00:00:58We respect that. Okay, thank
00:01:02you for the explanation, Mas Febri. Now, Mas Boyamin, so
00:01:06now there are two focuses, right? How about the investigative
00:01:10process and also the designation of suspects or the truth
00:01:14of the evidence? In your opinion, how big is the chance that
00:01:17this pre-trial will be granted? I
00:01:20can't preemptively say, because sometimes there are cases
00:01:24that are granted under conditions that I think should not
00:01:27be granted, but there are also very strong cases that should
00:01:31be granted but are not. Usually in the South Jakarta court, I
00:01:35know that happens often. Well, it's okay,
00:01:38we'll wait, we'll follow the process. For example, I
00:01:42filed a pre-trial last time to declare the transfer
00:01:46from the police to the prosecutor's office
00:01:49null and void. What was the intention? So that if the prosecutor
00:01:53takes it, it's faster. Actually, as an encouragement, when he was detained,
00:01:56the first hearing, I withdrew it, the urgency was no longer there. Well,
00:02:00preparing for the second pre-trial, if this search
00:02:03is not carried out, I already declared last week that
00:02:06yesterday, searches began at the private house in Radio Dalam,
00:02:09then perhaps today, if I'm not mistaken, there's news in
00:02:13Bandung. I have some other savings outside Java.
00:02:17If those are not searched, I will sue for pre-trial. So, the investigators
00:02:20are not in a good position there. Now, they can be sued by the suspect,
00:02:24the perpetrator, and also by the victim. I represent them, and I
00:02:27am consistent and have never changed my position as a lawyer
00:02:31for corruption cases. Because I
00:02:34warrant is wrong, have declared myself to defend victims through public advocacy,
00:02:36then, if this process is not carried
00:02:40out correctly in other cases,
00:02:44besides the searches, maybe the designation of suspects that I think
00:02:47are eligible. This is only three, my version is at least five,
00:02:51for example. What about these two? I will expose it there. So,
00:02:55we are indeed testing this. That's why investigators should
00:02:58be more professional, more excellent, better at handling
00:03:01any criminal cases, including corruption, Mr. Marcel. Okay, in short, Mas Boyamin,
00:03:05with this pre-trial,
00:03:08but they must be present is the hope that it can remain focused on the main case
00:03:10later? Oh, yes, it's okay. The main case will still proceed.
00:03:14This is just complementary. For example, in the case
00:03:17of Setya Novanto, the first pre-trial by the KPK lost,
00:03:21then it was corrected, and in the second pre-trial,
00:03:24Setya Novanto lost, and it was taken to the main case, right?
00:03:28So, it's okay. Investigators should not be allergic
00:03:31to pre-trials, both from the side of the perpetrator
00:03:35and the side of the victim, because I frequently
00:03:38endorse cases, for example, the victims of Wana Arta
00:03:42whose money laundering was not processed for a very long time until the person became
00:03:45a fugitive. I endorse them for pre-trial. I have taught several friends outside Java
00:03:49to file pre-trials for stalled cases. So, yes, this is indeed the duty
00:03:52of law enforcers. For example, in my case, it was only once, but then it happened many times. I was once
00:03:56protested by a judge, "Your job is to hold trials, right?" Okay, Mas
00:04:00Boyamin, later we will discuss how the public perceives
00:04:03the Attorney General's Office handling the case of the
00:04:06former Jamitsuusga. We will discuss
00:04:09it after the break. Stay tuned to Cover Board Sides.
00:04:21Which one do you
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00:04:28Joko Susilo, at that time, who was
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00:06:17You are back on Cover Board sides. Viewers, let's first show
00:06:21the public's perception regarding the professionalism of the Attorney General's
00:06:25Office in handling the case of the ex-Jampitsus. Here
00:06:28it is. If we're talking about
00:06:32doubts, there are definitely doubts because this case was initially
00:06:35handled by the Indonesian National Police,
00:06:39but then it was taken over by the prosecutor's office.
00:06:43Again, we, as the community, hope that because
00:06:47this is a country of law, everything should be objective.
00:06:50For the case itself, I don't think it will be
00:06:54finished or completed because it's
00:06:58being passed around. They must be firm
00:07:00in
00:07:02interrogating
00:07:05all parties involved so that everything
00:07:09can find a clear
00:07:14point. If you look at cases that have happened
00:07:18since a long time ago, corruption cases can never
00:07:21be completely finished and we don't
00:07:24know the continuation. So,
00:07:28we won't see how it ends, it's just being passed around
00:07:32continuously. I'm going to Mas Boyamin.
00:07:35Mas Boyamin, from your various statements, it seems that the doubts are the same
00:07:38as the public's, right? What are the reasons, Mas?
00:07:42Yamin is still doubtful about the investigation at the Attorney General's Office?
00:07:46There was a history that the Attorney General's Office suspended four people,
00:07:50the KPK leaders at the time of Candra Hamzah and
00:07:53Samat Samanto. Then
00:07:56the second time was during Bambang Wijayanto and Mr.
00:07:59Abraham Samad. Those were
00:08:02other people. Well, it's possible that these other people
00:08:05were suspended, meaning stopped, for the public interest. Well,
00:08:09it's possible that they then said, "Well, other people asked
00:08:12to be suspended and it was granted, why can't this be?" Right? So, in the end,
00:08:16it could not only be exposed or neglected or
00:08:20whatever, but even suspended in the end. That's why
00:08:23I have told my friends to prepare to go to the Constitutional Court.
00:08:27The suspension for the public interest only applies to
00:08:30criminal acts, except for capital offenses,
00:08:34second, national security, and third, special criminal acts,
00:08:37including corruption, should not be suspended. But it can be suspended,
00:08:41so the issue of doubt is actually in the hands
00:08:44of the Attorney General's Office. This is not just "orange eating orange" anymore, it's like a tangerine eating a
00:08:48pomelo, right? Okay, so what's the solution, Mas Boyamin?
00:08:52Should we still urge the KPK to take over this case?
00:08:55Yes, and I ask Mr. Febridiansah to
00:08:59nudge the KPK to be brave enough to take over
00:09:02because in Article 10, the reasons for taking over
00:09:06are three: one, protecting the perpetrator;
00:09:09two, if there is corruption, for example, blackmail; okay, three,
00:09:13executive interference. Well, executive interference is already there,
00:09:17transferred from the police to the Attorney General's Office, that's executive interference.
00:09:20So, according to Mas Boyamin, this already meets the reasons
00:09:24for the KPK to take over? It should definitely meet them.
00:09:27And it's like this, for the people to still believe
00:09:31in eradicating corruption, if this is still handled by the police
00:09:35and the prosecutor's office, they won't believe it much. But
00:09:38the problem is with the KPK itself, they're afraid and
00:09:41ZIPER, you know. That's the problem. So, in the MBG case, the KPK
00:09:45should have handled it. It was reported 5 months earlier, but it wasn't handled.
00:09:48This case of alleged connection to
00:09:51what Mr. Firansah is facing now was reported by my friends at the end of 2024
00:09:55to the KPK, but it wasn't handled. Then yesterday, there was a case
00:09:58presentation at the Regional Police,
00:10:01and everything was already named on the table, but the person fled,
00:10:05even though two deputies were assigned by the KPK. Yes, that's right.
00:10:09So, I don't expect it anymore. In the end, I even hope that
00:10:12from Mr. Febri Adriansah's pre-trial, through Mr. Febri Adriansah,
00:10:16this will involve two parties:
00:10:20the prosecutor and the police. The potential is that the prosecutor's
00:10:23request might be granted, meaning that the police's request
00:10:27is rejected, which means the designation of suspects by the police will be
00:10:30invalid, so the police will be in charge instead. Well, if that happens,
00:10:34the police might not want to handle it anymore because it has been transferred.
00:10:38So, the KPK actually needs to start
00:10:41preparing to receive this.
00:10:44Still urging the KPK, right? Now, let's ask Mas Febri. Mas Febri,
00:10:48you also served as a KPK spokesperson. Which
00:10:52case would you be more comfortable handling? A KPK
00:10:55or prosecutor's case? As lawyers,
00:10:59we don't handle cases based on comfort or discomfort. We look
00:11:03at the law. Who handles it is up to
00:11:06the state institutions to discuss and make
00:11:10decisions. I think that's outside my domain. I want to go back to
00:11:13the substantial issue of this case, which is
00:11:17the importance of predicate crime. I'll read
00:11:20it. There is a Constitutional Court decision number 90
00:11:24of 2015 on page 113. This
00:11:28explicitly states, and this is also
00:11:31for public education, it states here, "Whereas a predicate
00:11:34crime is a criminal act that produces
00:11:37money or assets that are then
00:11:41laundered. This means there must first
00:11:43be a predicate crime before the proceeds
00:11:47are laundered. Therefore, there cannot be money laundering without
00:11:51a predicate crime first." The Constitutional Court is very clear
00:11:54and consistent in several decisions stating this. It even
00:11:58emphasizes this: "As a follow-up crime, according
00:12:01to the court, to conduct investigations, prosecutions, and examinations in
00:12:04money laundering cases, there must first be
00:12:08a predicate crime." The Constitutional Court says
00:12:11this. Article 74, the explanation says
00:12:15investigate the predicate crime first, then find evidence for money laundering.
00:12:19What happened in the three investigation warrants?
00:12:22In one investigation warrant, it mentions alleged
00:12:26corruption at Krakatau Steel, for example,
00:12:29a subsidiary of Krakatau Steel, and money laundering. In one investigation
00:12:32warrant, it directly mentions corruption and money laundering.
00:12:36When was the investigation carried out? When
00:12:39was the process of finding initial
00:12:41evidence carried out? That is what was violated in principle
00:12:45in the investigation warrant issued by this law enforcement
00:12:48institution. The question is, if
00:12:51the investigation warrant is not correct, if the investigation
00:12:54warrant is legally flawed, if the investigation
00:12:59is the coercive action carried out valid? Of course
00:13:02not. In our opinion, that is what needs to be corrected in
00:13:06this pre-trial mechanism. We are upholding the law,
00:13:10not punishing people without a law enforcement process. That's why
00:13:13the process must run correctly. There are a number of Constitutional Court
00:13:16decisions, even until 2021, this is 2015, the Law
00:13:20No. 8 of 2010, which consistently states
00:13:24that predicate crimes
00:13:28do not need to wait for proof in court, no need,
00:13:33at the beginning. It cannot suddenly become money laundering. There is no
00:13:36history of a predicate crime suddenly becoming money laundering.
00:13:40That is our most fundamental criticism of the handling of
00:13:44this case. Okay, if so, we will still discuss this pre-trial,
00:13:47Mas Boyamin. If the judge later decides
00:13:51to accept FA's pre-trial, where will this lead?
00:13:58The Attorney General's Office will conduct a new, more complete, more perfect investigation.
00:14:01If there are any writing errors, they can be corrected again,
00:14:05just like the KPK in the Setya Novanto case, that's what happened. There is no
00:14:08prohibition that if a pre-trial is granted,
00:14:11a new investigation cannot be repeated. Sometimes people talk
00:14:14about the designation of suspects being invalid because, for example, they were never
00:14:18examined as witnesses. Well, there are also fundamental
00:14:22things like that, or slightly more advanced things, because they don't
00:14:25have two pieces of evidence. According to the investigator's version, there are two pieces of evidence,
00:14:29but according to the judge, there's only one. So, it needs to be completed.
00:14:33Another pre-trial can be filed, but it would be too much
00:14:36if the investigator loses the first pre-trial and then doesn't perfect
00:14:40the evidence. And again, the Constitutional Court decision
00:14:44earlier said that. It must have a predicate
00:14:47crime. Where is the predicate crime in the indictment? It's
00:14:51explained like this: bank embezzlement, it's just
00:14:54explained as bank embezzlement. But the charges are all
00:14:58money laundering articles 3, 4, 5. In the case of Aseng
00:15:02Yanto Firman Hirtanto, it was also like that. It was mentioned in the
00:15:05indictment 1, 2, 3. This is because there was a debate about predicate crime.
00:15:09Your prediction is that this case will take a long time. Before that,
00:15:12there was a final decision in 2026, also named
00:15:15Windu Setya Aji.
00:15:18He was once involved in a corruption case, then after the corruption
00:15:22case was finished, it was brought to money laundering, and the judge
00:15:25acquitted him. This is double jeopardy if you reverse
00:15:28it. Money laundering with the process
00:15:32of corruption, the realm is still money laundering charges with a series
00:15:35of origins from corruption. That's what it means. The proof of money laundering comes from
00:15:39corruption, money laundering from fraud, money laundering from
00:15:42embezzlement, that's it, sir. So, in my opinion, this is something
00:15:46that, in terms of law enforcement, is indeed a challenge
00:15:49for all of us, and I will continue to monitor it. If
00:15:53this is
00:15:56a long process, I'm patient enough for it. I've been
00:16:00doing pre-trials since 2000, even
00:16:021996. From the victim's side, it was 2001.
00:16:05I started in Solo, then Semarang, then
00:16:09Banjarnegara, and then Jakarta. In Lampung too.
00:16:12And almost all of them, I won about
00:16:1510 out of 300 cases. Okay. It was granted from the perspective
00:16:19of stopping the material investigation, even though there was no triangle,
00:16:23because the case was stalled. So, if the Attorney General's Office later
00:16:26stalls or slows down, I will sue for pre-trial in this case. So,
00:16:30that's the good thing about law enforcement, that from the victim's side,
00:16:34I advocate, and God willing, I will never switch to defending corruption.
00:16:37Even narcotics, I don't handle. I've been handling cases as a lawyer since a long time ago.
00:16:41Corporations are better, not having to deal with
00:16:44the impression that people always defend those who pay. It's not good. But for Mr. Febri,
00:16:48it's okay, it's part of my knowledge, my profession, I respect it. Okay,
00:16:52we will continue this discussion, but after the break, stay with us on Coverbot
00:18:50Viewers, we will read the questions that have come in
00:18:54from Metro TV netizens. Let's look at the screen behind me at the questions
00:18:57asked, one of which is from Gilang,
00:19:01"If corruption eradication truly wants to be enforced,
00:19:04just prove the Febri case can be finished."
00:19:08Now, if we ask Mas Febri Dansyah as the
00:19:11legal counsel, how confident are you that
00:19:14this pre-trial can resolve the FA case?
00:19:17Maybe not resolve it, if we
00:19:21are perhaps more focused on how confident we are with
00:19:24the legal arguments and evidence that will be presented. We
00:19:27are very confident that there are so many
00:19:30violations of procedural law that occurred in
00:19:34the process of handling this case, which we
00:19:38already mentioned yesterday, nine of them, starting
00:19:41from trivial things related to the
00:19:44year 2028, the incident was called the year
00:19:482028, up to things that are
00:19:52fundamental, right? There is a Supreme Court
00:19:55decision at the review level in
00:19:582021. Maybe we still remember the
00:20:02former police officer,
00:20:05processed by the KPK. The Supreme Court said
00:20:08this: were accused of money
00:20:13seized before the predicate
00:20:16crime occurred, the predicate crime was traffic police at
00:20:20that time, were not considered money
00:20:22laundering. That's the importance of tempus delicti,
00:20:26that's the importance of the timing of the predicate crime, that's
00:20:29the importance of what the predicate crime is. So, it's not a lump sum.
00:20:33People can't be accused in a lump sum, "you've been wrong since
00:20:36you took office." That's not how it works. Show
00:20:39where the fault is. Well, in the end, the Supreme Court returned
00:20:43all of Joko Susilo's assets. If you are serious
00:20:46about handling cases, then that should not happen.
00:20:50The question goes back to the issue of gold.
00:20:53A simple question, maybe the Attorney General's Office
00:20:56can't answer now, which was asked earlier, who owns it and where did it come
00:21:00from? A simple question. If it
00:21:03is considered the proceeds of a crime,
00:21:07a crime committed when? It must
00:21:11be proven when that gold was obtained.
00:21:13If it's money, maybe it can be known
00:21:17from the serial number because at that time the police
00:21:21cooperated with the FBI, maybe it can be known from the serial number.
00:21:24But when exactly was the money
00:21:27received? That is very important to determine
00:21:31whether these assets
00:21:34are accused of money laundering before
00:21:37the predicate crime existed or after. Well,
00:21:41that's why if you want to be fair, if you want to be clear, if you want
00:21:44to be thorough, first clarify
00:21:47whose assets these are, where they came
00:21:51from, when they were obtained,
00:21:54then we can talk about who should be held criminally
00:21:57responsible for the seized assets. That's when the process is
00:22:01fair. But now, everything is in the dark,
00:22:04the substance of the process is dark, vague.
00:22:08The formal procedural law can be said to have many
00:22:11holes, so many things that
00:22:15are not fulfilled there. Then what kind of law enforcement
00:22:18do we expect here? We are not concluding at the beginning, but
00:22:22we want to bring this to a more honorable forum in the pre-trial
00:22:26process, in the courtroom.
00:22:29Okay. Mas Boyamin, do you agree that if we want it to be as
00:22:32clear as possible, the evidence must be clear first?
00:22:36Don't let it seem like I'm defending the prosecutor's office, right? This will then
00:22:40make me the prosecutor's spokesperson. I also
00:22:44attack the prosecutor's office in any case, including this one,
00:22:47right? If I considered it slow yesterday, why not?
00:22:51I would sue it, but finally, it was searched. Back to the gold. As far
00:22:54as I know, what was publicized by the police was unlabelled
00:22:58gold, and it was pure, very pure. The shape was not precise.
00:23:02If I could hold it, I would squeeze it, and it would probably change shape
00:23:05because of its purity. But I go back to Mr. Febri
00:23:08Adriansah, as a law enforcer, is it okay
00:23:12to store something whose origin is unclear? This is
00:23:16worrying and could be slander. I was taught well by the late
00:23:21Mr. Almarhum to avoid a lot of slander, for example, not being willing to eat
00:23:24in restaurants when I brought it to the Constitutional Court. It shouldn't
00:23:28be arbitrary to accept deposited goods, especially
00:23:32if it's suspected illegal gold. It could be because there's no label, no
00:23:36product information. It could be suspected illegal gold,
00:23:39contraband. Why did he accept deposited goods as a law enforcer?
00:23:42Why was his house allowed to be
00:23:46used as a storage place? In my opinion, this is something reckless.
00:23:50Secondly, it is also related to
00:23:53money. Accepting deposits.
00:23:56In money laundering, there is also Article 3, sorry,
00:24:00Article 5, which is called passive money laundering,
00:24:03passive. What about passive banking?
00:24:07In our Criminal Code, in our Criminal Procedure Code, there is also
00:24:10Article 55, paragraph 1, letter 1,
00:24:14regarding participation, aiding and abetting.
00:24:17That alone is enough. So now, in Article 20 of the new
00:24:21Criminal Code. Well, in my opinion, this is precisely
00:24:24the anomaly for Mr. Febdi Adriansyah when he
00:24:27allows and doesn't prohibit
00:24:30his house from being used to store,
00:24:33even if the house is rented out to someone else, for example.
00:24:36people are very careful, people should not let their houses
00:24:40be rented for drugs, for example, be very thorough, put up CCTV and all sorts of things.
00:24:44Mr. Febri Adriansyah is a law enforcer, moreover, his
00:24:47dissertation is about
00:24:50money laundering, which has the potential to become slander. He could be slandered,
00:24:54you know, anytime, that's how it is. But why isn't this
00:24:57avoided? This, in my opinion, is precisely the anomaly of Mr. Febri
00:25:01Adriansyah, Ms. Marcel. Mas Febri, please respond and also
00:25:04perhaps answer the readiness to face
00:25:08the pre-trial. I'm interested, earlier Bang
00:25:11Bonyamin said illegal gold could
00:25:14be illegal gold, yes, it's an assumption, it could
00:25:18be illegal gold. Now the question is, if it's illegal gold,
00:25:21for example, for example, yes, from
00:25:25illegal mining, for example, yes, I just want to give
00:25:28an example, there are so many possibilities, whether it's a corruption
00:25:32crime, it could be that the original crime
00:25:36was, for example, illegal mining
00:25:39or illegal
00:25:41gold trading. If the original criminal act
00:25:44is not a corruption crime, what happens
00:25:48is that the Attorney General's Office does not have the authority to handle
00:25:51this case. That's the importance of evidence, prove
00:25:55first that the gold is truly the result of corruption or
00:25:59who committed the corruption, then
00:26:01we can. Well, before that, then we can talk
00:26:05about who stored it, who
00:26:08ordered it, who was together, that's
00:26:12the first thing. The second thing, Bang Boyamin said
00:26:15it's very anomalous if Mr. Fa, Mr.
00:26:19Febri Adriansyah allows
00:26:22people to store valuable items at home,
00:26:25even though the house is not his own.
00:26:27The question is, what if it turns out that Mr.
00:26:31has no knowledge that the item is there? Let alone
00:26:35permitting it, let alone allowing it, if
00:26:38there is no knowledge, then all assumptions
00:26:42become null and void. Why? Because the condition for the
00:26:45participation article in the old Criminal Code, Article 55,
00:26:49the new Criminal Code, Article 20, absolutely
00:26:52requires double intent, double
00:26:55will. Even one intent is difficult
00:26:57to prove. What is it to know?
00:27:01To know that it's wrong? Still done, knowing that there
00:27:04was an act of storage and then willing
00:27:08it. Even one is difficult, let alone double
00:27:10intent. But our law enforcers have the
00:27:13authority and knowledge. They should be the ones to dig
00:27:16into this, so it's not burdensome for the suspect.
00:27:20Okay, can you explain? Let's give Mas
00:27:24Boyamin a brief opportunity. (Boyamin) analyzes it,
00:27:27that giving, that giving can be bribery, it can be gratification, it can be extortion.
00:27:31That will be proven by law enforcement. And then also related
00:27:35to double fault and all that, involvement and all that. For me, Mr. Febri is a
00:27:39role model. I idolized him before 2023,
00:27:42you know, but then there was an event that made me stop idolizing him. Well,
00:27:45it will be proven in court later,
00:27:49but certainly there will be a pre-trial first. We'll wait for the results. Thank
00:27:52you, Mas Febri Adiansyah, legal counsel of Febri Adriansyah, and also Mas
00:27:56Boyamin, coordinator. Thank you for joining us on today's news. And viewers,
00:28:00this concludes our meeting. I'm Marndo. Thank you for
00:28:03your company. See you next week.
00:30:15You are watching Hatla News at 2 PM Western Indonesian
00:30:19Time. President Prabowo Subianto today met with hundreds
00:30:22of researchers from the National Research and Innovation Agency or Brin
00:30:25at the Presidential Palace in Jakarta. The President is said
00:30:29to be giving directions related to the projected use of technology products from
00:30:33Brin. President Prabowo Subianto
00:30:37summoned 150 Brin researchers to comprehensively
00:30:40discuss solving various national problems
00:30:44using technology. Head of Brin, Arif Satria,
00:30:47said that previously, Brin researchers had conducted
00:30:51a number of presentations and polls for the President.