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00:00:00the law, namely the DPR and the government, in the broadcast
00:00:03consultation with the DPR and the government, this was also not
00:00:07disclosed and explained by the KPU.
00:00:10Okay, Mas Bil, this is regarding PKPU 19, which then had two
00:00:14different statements between Commission 2
00:00:18option is to find a diploma that of the DPR and the former KPU chairman, and earlier Mbak Titi also said that it seemed like with these differences,
00:00:21it seemed like there was an attempt to smuggle or there was an attempt to cover up.
00:00:25What's your response, Mas Bil? Yes,
00:00:28first of all, that's what was debated before the trial.
00:00:32It turned out that in the trial, it was also not revealed that there was indeed
00:00:35a smuggling of articles. Now, Mas Hasim, the former
00:00:38KPU chairman, has also started to speak up that he
00:00:42rejects the accusation that it was a smuggled article. In fact, he gave a chain message
00:00:46to the media, telling the chronology of that
00:00:502029, so the path Article 18, not just PKPU 19. Article 18 paragraph
00:00:533, why and how it appeared. There was even a public test.
00:00:56That's why, to make sure, I don't think this forum is appropriate. What
00:01:00Mbak Titi said, and including me, I don't have such power unless
00:01:04there is a more specific forum than
00:01:06they follow up. Some the trial. Just bring the former KPU chairman and also
00:01:09the KPU itself to show if there is indeed
00:01:12a draft, if there is indeed a signature, if there is indeed an initial. I think that's
00:01:16the second thing. If this then involves Gibran, I think this is also
00:01:19a bit offside because Gibran himself once passed the regional election,
00:01:22where the regional election PKPU also had to then provide
00:01:26a kind of letter or diploma that was from abroad,
00:01:30and Mas Gibran included that. That's why it was proven in the facts
00:01:33of the trial that there were two certificates. The first was a
00:01:36certificate of attendance and a direct letter from UTS Insert,
00:01:40and that data exists, right? So it's not necessary. So without
00:01:43PKPU 19 2023, Article 18,
00:01:47what, Article 3, I think Gibran would still pass because
00:01:50the election law states that the minimum
00:01:53requirement is to graduate from high school, which is proven by a certificate.
00:01:57That's why the certificate has the phrase "graduated" first. Second,
00:02:00it is also proven by Article 227 letter
00:02:04L, which states that there is another certificate, which is also a certificate. Now, this is what, in my opinion,
00:02:08we need to clarify. So Gibran is someone who takes advantage
00:02:11of the law, not someone who then, what is it?
00:02:15Uses the law for things
00:02:17agriculture, subsidized that don't have articles that are then brought up. I think that's
00:02:20good. I think that's it. Before moving on to Pak Hozi, Mbak Titi, do you have any
00:02:23comments? Yes, in this context, once again, if
00:02:27we read the trial evidence, this is when the Constitutional Court
00:02:31decided, first, the argument used by the petitioner, if
00:02:34we read the petition, he argued TST
00:02:37that is, how the structured,
00:02:40systematic, and planned conditioning was done to
00:02:44pass, with the term "making regulations that
00:02:47make it easier." The second is the issue of the certificate. Now, in the
00:02:51explanation of the legal considerations of the court, the court immediately
00:02:54went to the certificate because the court saw it as something that
00:02:57was intertwined. The problem is... when the court examined
00:03:01the certificate, the certificate was issued not in accordance with
00:03:04the procedures in Permendikbud
00:03:07292014. For example, out of the seven conditions that
00:03:11were required, A to G, it turned out that four conditions were not
00:03:14included. That is in the legal consideration. Now, in
00:03:19rejected, because there was a fact this context, it becomes something that
00:03:22is reasonable. Then, when the discussion is
00:03:26about basing it on fulfilling education requirements,
00:03:30the court itself states that the education requirement document
00:03:33does not meet the requirements
00:03:36as a document needed for nomination. So in
00:03:39this context, what the petitioner
00:03:43questioned was proven, right?
00:03:46By the court, regardless of whether we agree with the court or not,
00:03:49Mas Adi also mentioned
00:03:52we have to read it completely, right? What that we must follow decision 90, right? Although
00:03:55we all understand
00:03:58the contract, the version
00:04:01benefits and who is harmed? Of course, those behind that decision. Now, regarding the Constitutional Court's decision on the absence of a diploma, this
00:04:05means that it also becomes a court decision that
00:04:09was then examined with an open and transparent examination. There were
00:04:13administratively flawed requirements that were
00:04:16obtained or then given not in accordance with
00:04:19the provisions, and that was what the Constitutional Court said. Okay, let's move on to
00:04:23Pak Hozi regarding the evidence submitted to the investigator at the time of the criminal investigation. What was it,
00:04:27Pak Hozi? Yes, first, the object that we suspected.
00:04:38And because this is a certificate used by Gibran, the suspects we reported,
00:04:41we suspect that the first one who issued it was the Ministry of Education and Culture,
00:04:45and the second one who used it, again, so we cannot
00:04:48narrate that the person who used it is not wrong because they don't have the same product.
00:04:52It's not like if there was smuggling, Gibran was not the one
00:04:55who smuggled it, but he was the one who benefited from the
00:04:58new regulation. As for Hasim's clarification, it becomes meaningless, because
00:05:02previously in the trial he claimed that Article 18 paragraph 3
00:05:06was a proposal from the Ministry of Education and Culture. In fact, at the same
00:05:09time in the trial, the Ministry of Education also denied
00:05:13that, meaning that authoritatively,
00:05:16Hasim's statement has no value to legitimize that there was no
00:05:20smuggling of articles. In fact, this further strengthens that there were indeed
00:05:23other parties who provided those articles so that Gibran could pass smoothly,
00:05:27while Gibran's position was only to take advantage of it, exactly like
00:05:30decision 90. It was Almasaikiru who sued.
00:05:33Gibran was not involved, but he benefited from it. He
00:05:37took advantage of that loophole, even though it was then stated
00:05:40that the judges violated ethics. And in fact, Mbak Titi just said that
00:05:44there has also been a correction that even if it's a public office,
00:05:47it can't be a mayor, at least a governor. Right? But I want to focus on
00:05:51something that actually needs to be proven, not just by the
00:05:55parties. Yesterday, the one who had the most interest was Gibran,
00:05:58because the related party should have been Gibran himself, and it was also proven that the parties
00:06:02who were present as if representing Gibran were also declared by the Constitutional Court
00:06:06to have no legal standing. What does that mean?
00:06:09It's not over yet, even though we say
00:06:13we accept it. Precisely because these parties accept the Constitutional Court's decision,
00:06:18are followed up to Paris, some to PTUN, which has been ongoing,
00:06:22and today some are going to the DPRRI. I think
00:06:26if we really understand our country and it's a country of law, then
00:06:29in my opinion, Gibran's camp is the camp that should benefit
00:06:33because there is a process where Gibran can
00:06:36prove that what is in the Constitutional Court is, let's say,
00:06:40wrong, let's say that. But for us, this is also an opportunity
00:06:43to prove that what was decided by the Constitutional Court is already final and binding
00:06:47and needs follow-up, and the follow-up mechanism is through impeachment.
00:06:51Okay, so Mas Adipray, who benefits the most if this polemic
00:06:55continues to drag on and also continues to roll? But hold on to Mas's answer. Let's
00:06:59follow this first.
00:07:11Food self-sufficiency is one of the foundations of a nation's defense
00:07:15strength, and what is the potential in the coming years?
00:07:18The Red and White Village Cooperative is
00:07:21not a supermarket. All subsidized aid,
00:07:25rice aid, food, tractor aid for
00:08:08the discussion. Mas Adi, who benefits the most
00:08:10from this polemic if it is allowed to continue to drag on or roll like
00:08:14this? I initially suspected that after the Constitutional Court's decision,
00:08:18it was a win-win, right? So all parties were happy
00:08:21and accepted it. From Deni
00:08:25Indrayana's camp and Rafle Halun's, they considered that even though
00:08:28their lawsuit for disqualification was
00:08:32revealed about the diploma that was deemed not equivalent, they accepted it enough.
00:08:36Likewise, from Mas Gibran's supporters,
00:08:39even Bung Andian prostrated in gratitude. I thought it was over.
00:08:43The matter was settled. They accepted the Constitutional Court's decision as a whole. But
00:08:47in its development, because there is still rejection that
00:08:50the Constitutional Court is considered not clear in making this decision, I
00:08:53assume that Mas Gibran's supporters
00:08:57accept it in part and reject it in part too. They accept it
00:09:00because he was not disqualified. They reject
00:09:03the Constitutional Court's decision that there was no convincing evidence
00:09:06related to the equivalence of the diploma. That's what is
00:09:10a long narrative. Then who
00:09:14who benefit are the parties who believe
00:09:17that Mas Gibran does not have a diploma equivalent to
00:09:21high school. That's what then becomes a kind of ammunition,
00:09:25for example, coming to the DPR to make a right of inquiry and
00:09:29so on and so forth to validate that
00:09:32the process of requirements related to the vice presidential candidate in
00:09:352024 is not valid and illegal, and that is linked
00:09:39to the possibility in 2029 if he doesn't
00:09:42take Package C. Roughly speaking, then Mas Gibran will be
00:09:45questioned for his candidacy if he wants to run in
00:09:482029. Even so, we also cannot
00:09:51be sure that getting a ticket to run in 2029 is not
00:09:55an easy matter. And at the same time, of course, the one who is harmed is
00:09:59Mas Gibran's side with Bung Bil. Why is he harmed? Because
00:10:02the effect of the Constitutional Court's decision is not just a political
00:10:05effect. Attacks asking him to
00:10:08resign, some even took down Mas's photo.
00:10:12Appreciated by the Sukabumi DPRD, not just
00:10:15that, but it's a long road to 2029
00:10:19if Mas Gibran wants to run and, for example, also gets
00:10:22a ticket, then the issue of the minimum requirement
00:10:25equivalent to high school must be met, whatever the title.
00:10:29That's what then becomes a long road that in many
00:10:32ways will be something that will certainly be a struggle for
00:10:36friends who support Gibran, because Gibran is always
00:10:40perceived as running in 2029. Even though I
00:10:43imagine it's quite complicated, let alone Gibran, people like Anies
00:10:47and perhaps other party leaders who are not too big to
00:10:50run in 2029. If the requirement to become a presidential candidate
00:10:54and vice presidential candidate is at least supported by two
00:10:57factions, that's a bit of a headache for me, especially for parties that
00:11:01are not affiliated with Gibran. So the harm is political
00:11:04and, of course, for the interests in 2029.
00:11:08That's why many parties say that instead of
00:11:11questioning the Constitutional Court's decision, if Mas
00:11:15Gibran and his supporters really want to run in 2029, then just
00:11:19resolve the issue, take Package C
00:11:21or prove if there is indeed evidence
00:11:25of graduation equivalent to high school. Where is the forum for
00:11:28proof? I don't know. That's why some say the forum for proving
00:11:32that Gibran has a diploma equivalent to high school is one of them
00:11:35in the political forum in the DPR using the right of inquiry so that it's clear
00:11:39and everyone knows who is wrong, what
00:11:42is wrong with the director general, what is wrong with the KPU, or if there is indeed no evidence
00:11:46of graduation. Because everyone claims their
00:11:49own, and the legitimate forum to judge who is
00:11:52wrong, who is right, who is fake, who is lying, as of today, of course,
00:11:55is in the DPR, politically. The process is legal, constitutional,
00:11:59and regulated by law. Mas Bil, respond. Yes, regarding
00:12:02profit and loss, actually both happen to Mas Gibran. But
00:12:06Bang Adi's analysis is very cool to me. But politically, Gibran's supporters
00:12:10also feel harmed, Mas Gibran. Eh, not really. In terms of
00:12:14performance, he is even more popular now, right? It's the same
00:12:17with Pak Jokowi. The more he is insulted and slandered,
00:12:21the more his great name rises, and currently,
00:12:24is still existing as a vice president. Tomorrow, he will be traveling
00:12:28around campuses, invited to several campuses. There will be thousands of students. It's up to
00:12:32them if someone shouts, "Where's the diploma?" That's normal. Mas
00:12:35Gibran has a principle like this: "You can insult me and my parents,
00:12:39slander us, but one thing, please don't insult and slander Pak Prabowo."
00:12:43That's Pak Gibran's commitment from the beginning. Now, for me,
00:12:46let's try to be honest again. If in the
00:12:50Constitutional Court's legal consideration, it's clear,
00:12:53Mbak, I've noticed carefully that what is substantively
00:12:57fulfilling is defined here as the requirements for a presidential
00:13:00candidate and vice presidential candidate. That goes back to the institution that has
00:13:04the authority in the law. I think it's the KPU because it's about
00:13:07candidate requirements. If in the context of impeachment or Article
00:13:117a and 7b, I think that's about
00:13:14not meeting the requirements as president and vice president, not
00:13:18as a candidate or president or vice presidential candidate.
00:13:22So the phrase "candidate" in the Constitutional Court's decision,
00:13:25for me, means that it goes back to the institution that has the authority regulated
00:13:29by law, namely the KPU. Now, the KPU has clearly stated,
00:13:33both in court and outside the forum, that Gibran
00:13:37has passed, he has passed according to the mechanism.
00:13:40His certificate is there, and he has gone through all the stages, so there is no doubt
00:13:43in it. I just hope that this certificate is clarified first.
00:13:47It can't be just from the Constitutional Court's legal consideration.
00:13:51We are waiting for friends from PTUN, for example, who are currently being sued.
00:14:04What you didn't accept before, please accept this now or what. But if it's package C,
00:14:07it's probably really bad, Mas. So, interpretation
00:14:11first. Let's talk about interpretation first before the UN. Yes, so once again,
00:14:17was stated that the court said that the authority
00:14:20lies with the institution that will assess it according to the 1945 Constitution.
00:14:26The Constitutional Court is, in the framework of election justice,
00:14:30positioned as the last resort for
00:14:33election justice, right? So it's the last port to seek
00:14:37election justice. Because it is the last port, it's
00:14:41impossible for it to return it to the party before the Constitutional Court,
00:14:44namely Bawaslu, KPU, or
00:14:47the election sentragakumdu, for example. Because it is the
00:14:50last one, then its limit, according to the Constitutional Court, is on
00:14:54page 375 of the decision, which is October
00:14:5720, 2024, when he has the status
00:15:00of a candidate. If it is returned to the KPU, then his status
00:15:04is still as a candidate. Likewise, Bawaslu, because it
00:15:08is part of the election law enforcement
00:15:11mechanism. But because starting October 20, 2024,
00:15:15he is no longer a candidate, but an elected
00:15:18official, an elected position, then the issue of whether he still meets
00:15:21the requirements or not is in Article 7a. So
00:15:25that's why this position, in
00:15:28the context of us wanting to bring it to light,
00:15:32the existing forum, as Adi just said, the choice is
00:15:35whether it's a right of inquiry forum.
00:15:47No, and this also becomes a good public accountability mechanism. For example, if the inquiry
00:15:50forum or the right to state an opinion
00:15:54is proposed by 25 members of the DPR from more than
00:15:58one faction, then it is tried and attended
00:16:01by 2/3 of the DPR members. If indeed 2/3
00:16:05agrees, then it continues and... asks the Constitutional Court to
00:16:09decide. So the process is also not
00:16:12a short process, right? Because indeed, we are giving space
00:16:16to the president and vice president to be protected during their
00:16:20term of office, and there's no need to worry about that.
00:16:22In fact, this space is what can
00:16:25stop spaces outside formal mechanisms. Right now,
00:16:29we're just busy fighting, right? I mean, not fighting, having different opinions,
00:16:33deliberating. This is the view regarding the domain of
00:16:367a, 7b. This is the domain of 22e. But
00:16:40who will make the final decision? The right
00:16:43one is if the process starts from the good. Pak
00:16:46Hozi, yes, if there were no
00:16:49disputes and no differences of opinion in this matter, then of course the authority that issued
00:16:53the certificate would be the reference, in this case, the KPU. But the problem is that this has already
00:16:57entered the judicial institution, namely the Constitutional Court, and the Constitutional Court
00:17:00states that this is the authority of another institution, and if we
00:17:03focus on the context of the Constitutional Court's consistency, then there is indeed
00:17:07but political trial through the DPR, because the DPR, in addition to
00:17:10being a legislative body, when it exercises its oversight
00:17:13function, it is actually a political judicial body,
00:17:16and this is indeed related to political
00:17:20office, and the issues are political requirements, so
00:17:24it is indeed the DPR. However, I what
00:17:27prefer is HMP, because the process has started with
00:17:30the Constitutional Court's decision, which has clearly shown what
00:17:33the issues are. Now, it just needs to be re-verified.
00:17:37And it's not over in the DPR either. At the end, it will still be
00:17:41authorized by the Constitutional Court's decision before finally going to
00:17:44the MPRRI with two main agendas, namely the impeachment of the vice president
00:17:47and also the election and appointment of the replacement
00:17:50vice president. But we have another perspective so that
00:17:53everyone also has a space as an analogy that if a civil
00:17:57servant commits a crime, it does not mean that the civil servant is fired
00:18:00and the crime is over. The suspected crime also continues because that is
00:18:03both from the side of the police to the competent court, which is the PTUN.
00:18:07Yes, from the criminal side, the court that has authority is the general court, and it starts with
00:18:11an investigation by the criminal investigation unit. From the side of political trial through
00:18:15inquiry or the right to state an opinion, that is the DPR. It is up to
00:18:19this nation to wait and see if the authoritative institution that has been given by
00:18:22the constitution works, because this is related to ethics, morals, and
00:18:26the integrity of our nation. If this issue is not resolved in our era,
00:18:30then it will become a bad historical legacy for the next
00:18:33generation. Okay, Mas Bil, which option do you think
00:18:39should be taken? But let's take a break first.
00:20:03the discussion. Now, Mas Bil, what option do you think
00:20:07Gibran will take to end this polemic? Earlier, Mas Adipran mentioned
00:20:11whether to pursue package C or
00:20:14prove it in the forum that is currently the most provable,
00:20:18which is in the DPR. For Mas Gibran, he is ready in any
00:20:22forum. Yesterday, in the Constitutional Court, because Mas Gibran felt that
00:20:26he did not commit any violations, then only the KPU and the
00:20:29petitioner conducted the
00:20:32trial. Meanwhile, the related parties were also organic, Mas
00:20:36Andi Azwaan and friends. There was no order from Mas Gibran, none. Everything
00:20:40ran its course. Now, after this, Mas Gibran firmly stated, "Oh
00:20:43yes, we will follow up." So, follow up here means whatever happens, whether
00:20:47in the criminal forum, in the political
00:20:51forum in the DPR, even perhaps other trials, including in Tun, please go ahead.
00:20:55We are not worried about anything. But what is clear is
00:20:58that we just ask, let's trace it. If we say that the petitioners yesterday
00:21:02asked for this to be substantively fair,
00:21:05removing procedural, then let's look at it fairly,
00:21:09substantively. Gibran, an Indonesian citizen who has the right to
00:21:12become a leader who can be elected and can vote in elections,
00:21:16including participating as a citizen. He follows the
00:21:19mechanism. He makes a certificate according
00:21:22to what is the need of that mechanism. He
00:21:26does not violate the rules, and the certificate is issued, accepted by the KPU.
00:21:30He did everything. There is nothing like what was said,
00:21:33manipulation, because he happens to be the president's son and so
00:21:37on. All of that must be proven. If Gibran is
00:21:40indeed someone who committed a violation, not just a procedure, even
00:21:44manipulation, let alone those who hate Mas Gibran, we ourselves will
00:21:47throw in the towel. I think that's good. Pak. When
00:21:50will this polemic, in your opinion, end, or what steps
00:21:54will be taken to end this polemic? I think it's quite difficult
00:21:58to say it will end if we don't have honesty, including
00:22:01our intention to end the polemic,
00:22:04even though it is not in our interest. For example,
00:22:07the initiative yesterday to the Constitutional Court. If Gibran understood that
00:22:11this nation needs an explanation and he, as the vice president,
00:22:14also needs to explain his position, it could actually be resolved
00:22:17if so. But the problem is that today,
00:22:21the issue cannot be as simple as desired
00:22:24because honesty is no longer present, and we also
00:22:27bring this issue not only by looking at the issue today
00:22:31but also the future of our nation. And if we talk
00:22:35about the narrative of the nation's children who need to be defended, it's not just Gibran
00:22:38but all citizens, including those who work
00:22:42hard to get an education through the right channels without
00:22:45equalization, and even if there is equalization from abroad, the object is also
00:22:49there. They also need to be given a place and justice
00:22:52so that it is not as if there is a different
00:22:55treatment due to certain factors.
00:22:58However, today I am challenging Gibran Rakabuming Raka
00:23:02that if he wants to resolve this national polemic,
00:23:05he should also help push for the process in the DPR
00:23:09to be rolled out. There is no need to delegitimize
00:23:12the process in the DPR with various arguments, because subjectively,
00:23:15he should be interested in that forum existing to show that
00:23:19he is not as suspected, let's say. However, at the same
00:23:23time, he must also be prepared if indeed the legal consequence is that he no longer
00:23:26meets the requirements and must be impeached. That means I do not
00:23:29agree to force people to resign. Don't. Just keep forcing it until
00:23:33there is proof. Don't let people be judged by public opinion and then
00:23:36resign. But at the time when this process is running, don't
00:23:40hinder it either, let alone narrate it as attacking the government,
00:23:43not moving on, the presidential election is still far away.
00:23:47No, we work according to the constitution. And when the constitution
00:23:51give space for that, let's respect it, okay I'll shift to Ms.
00:23:54Titi, Ms. Titi, if we want to get
00:23:57legal certainty, who is the most appropriate to provide certainty and
00:24:01what is the mechanism? Yes, the answer has actually been
00:24:04revealed by the constitutional court yes, namely
00:24:07the authorized institution according to the 1945
00:24:10constitution, and that authorized institution
00:24:13if we dissect our constitution it only exists within
00:24:17the realm of office regime, not election regime. because the election
00:24:20regime is over, that is, in the context of the office
00:24:24regime, the institutions in article
00:24:277a and 7b means he is talking about
00:24:30DPR with the rights that exist in the DPR, the option
00:24:34of rights that can be used whether the right of inquiry or the right to express
00:24:38opinion in revealing this problem, but more than that
00:24:41Ms. Rara, yes, there is also a problem that must be answered and it is
00:24:45no less important, namely the issue of the integrity of election organizers
00:24:49how. Our invitations are shown to be answered
00:24:52in different poles between KPU and Bawaslu,
00:24:55KPU claims for example that it received input from the ministry,
00:24:59but it turns out it did not, and Bawaslu states that they have
00:25:02a memorandum of objection that the rules in the KPU regulation
00:25:06contradict the law. This also needs to be revealed, therefore do not
00:25:10ignore the process that exists in DKP because we need
00:25:13to fix our election organizers. If our election organizers
00:25:16have problems, the ones who lose are not only the voters, but also
00:25:20the candidates. The candidates are affected by work that is, for example, not
00:25:24thorough, unprofessional or then intervened by other parties,
00:25:28okay, lastly to Mas Adi Pray, Mas Adi, all these paths
00:25:31continue to move, there is law, there is politics and there is also public
00:25:35opinion from all these paths, this process which is currently
00:25:39moving, which one should be watched out for in terms of process and also its impact,
00:25:42whether the result of the legal process or the polemic that never
00:25:46really dies later. If from
00:25:48a legal perspective, I think... "It's over, right? There's already a decision from the constitutional
00:25:52court." Okay, like it or not, protest or not,
00:25:56argue or not, it will not be able to change
00:25:59the constitutional court's decision. "Well, what is being discussed is there." What
00:26:03about the future regarding Mas Gibran, for example? Why am I talking
00:26:06about the package? If he has the intention and desire to run in
00:26:102029, if he uses the existing certificate, it will definitely
00:26:13be questioned because it is considered not equivalent to a high school
00:26:17diploma, so the next
00:26:20is considered equivalent to a high school diploma, at least there is a vague idea of
00:26:24Package C, but Package C is considered to downgrade
00:26:28the position of vice president, okay, don't use C, prove it
00:26:31from school. Back when he was in Singapore, there was proof
00:26:34of graduation, just bring that later if
00:26:38it's going to be used for candidacy in 2009.
00:26:41But it doesn't stop there, Rara, even if there is, for example, proof
00:26:45of graduation, it doesn't necessarily mean he'll get a party, right? That's how the story goes
00:26:49if linked to
00:26:52taken is quite winding and uphill actually.
00:26:55So why is it crowded today because many
00:26:59are saying that, "Oh, this Constitutional Court is considered to have overstepped
00:27:02its authority," something that also happened during the decision
00:27:0690, the Constitutional Court is playing politics, this Constitutional Court is not clean
00:27:09in its decisions. I always say that, "Come on, don't
00:27:13ever curse the Constitutional Court because no matter what, like it or not, this has already
00:27:16become a black and white legal fact, final and binding."
00:27:20You want to write poems, you want to
00:27:23cry, argue, rally anywhere, it won't
00:27:27change anything. Now, what's interesting now that we're waiting for is
00:27:30the political process in the DPR.
00:27:41For example, the Director General is called, then the KPU is
00:27:44called. Now, one thing about the KPU,
00:27:47as far as I know, if factual verification related to candidacy, it
00:27:51usually goes through a quite detailed process. If I
00:27:55am nominated as a candidate, for example, if a candidate for governor
00:27:58of Madura is investigated, my school at UIN in Depok...
00:28:11That is considered valid proof. Tomorrow, it won't be like that, but
00:28:14usually, the matter of candidacy has a plenary session, "Oh, this one passed
00:28:18administratively," then it's factually examined one by one, and that
00:28:22didn't happen, so it's natural if then the proof of the candidacy
00:28:25requirements, if we return it to the KPU, people don't trust
00:28:29the KPU anymore. The problem is this regime is the same as before. Let's just wait
00:28:33for how the next chapter of the Gibran diploma polemic unfolds. Thank
00:28:36you, Mas Bil, Mas Adiprai, Ms. Titi, and also Mr. Uzi for discussing with us in
00:28:40this topic for today. Viewers, the decision has been read, but
00:28:43the questions have not been fully answered, because in the end, this
00:28:47is not just about a piece of diploma or who is right and who is
00:28:51wrong. This is about trust in
00:28:54a process that must be open, in rules that must apply
00:28:58equally, and in a state that must be able to provide certainty due to
00:29:01its position.
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