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00:00:06for some politician who will probably
00:00:26The global situation is very difficult at this moment.
00:00:30moment, and the main player who is meddling in this whole situation
00:00:33is American President Donald Trump has not only spread his
00:00:37tentacles and got his fingers in the Gulf or Ukraine or
00:00:41Gaza or the West Bank or Israel or
00:00:45threatening Greenland, but he has also got his fingers
00:00:48in the Western Balkans, through Milorad Dodik in Bosnia and
00:00:52Herzegovina, through Zeta and his daughter in Albania
00:00:55in Serbia, but also through one son in
00:00:59Bosnia and Herzegovina, and also through some associates in Bosnia
00:01:03and Herzegovina in other countries.
00:01:07However, what is also interesting is that we see
00:01:10certain progress in the Western Balkans. Not everything is so
00:01:14bleak anymore, some things are happening in
00:01:17a positive light when it comes to the European Union.
00:01:20In the next few minutes, I will
00:01:24discuss this with former Montenegrin diplomat, and now university
00:01:28professor Vesko Garčević. who joins me from Boston,
00:01:31Professor, welcome to the n1 program,
00:01:40often comment on what is happening in the Balkans,
00:01:43especially you comment on your
00:01:46are now more or less on Montenegro, you are a former ambassador of
00:01:49Montenegro to several destinations, which I will not
00:01:52list now, and now you are also a university
00:01:55professor. Montenegro is progressing exceptionally well
00:01:58on its European, so to
00:02:02speak, scene, so I would like to first hear the Montenegrin
00:02:05Prime Minister Milojko Spajić, and then after
00:02:08that, comment on how
00:02:11Montenegro is currently moving towards the European Union.
00:02:27count on profit, it will affect I think, I think the the last couple of miles will definitely
00:02:30be uh as always very challenging,
00:02:33but uh we are we are ready for that. Uh we
00:02:37have uh we have sent uh most of the chapter member states
00:02:40and uh we are ready to to be assessed,
00:02:44to take the critics, to be uh obviously that is
00:02:48in the in in the Montenegrin interest that we get the
00:02:51best possible reforms uh
00:02:54Montenegro's rule of law uh media landscape and
00:02:57other factors, human rights. and so and so forth
00:03:01have immensely improved over the last couple of
00:03:03years, that's not only in the in the rule of law
00:03:07field, economic field as well has performed
00:03:11very well. We've done a lot of throughout the uh process of
00:03:15joining European Union, throughout the process of closing the chapters on
00:03:18competition, state aid and so on and so forth. We have done a
00:03:22lot of structural reforms and some of the dividends are
00:03:26starting to pay off as evidenced by the uh great report from
00:03:30the progress progress on the on the
00:03:34growth plan. So we intend to continue this way. This
00:03:37is not for us, it's just a
00:03:40milestone that we
00:03:43recognize, but we are our eyes are fully
00:03:46ahead. What comes next. We are also very
00:03:50optimistic with all the support from the European Commission that we
00:03:54had so far. So thank you so much. It
00:03:56is really that European Commission has done a lot,
00:04:00but also uh the member states, all the 27 member states
00:04:04that eventually have to vote and support all of
00:04:07our uh reform
00:04:10uh uh steps that have been done and will be done in the in the in
00:04:14the next couple of weeks. So I am optimistic as well
00:04:17that we will see by end of 26 all the chapters
00:04:20packed. Uh, but in any case, I think uh
00:04:24year 28, here we come 28 by
00:04:2728. Professor, Spajić says
00:04:31here 28 for 28. That's the
00:04:34mantra of Marta Kos. We will hear her later in this
00:04:38conversation. However, how do you, as a former
00:04:41Montenegrin diplomat, someone who knows how the negotiations with
00:04:45NATO went and how these negotiations with the European Union
00:04:49are going, evaluate this
00:04:52progress? Today, three more chapters are being closed,
00:04:55and it seems that 28 for 28... is not
00:04:5928... "nije baš
00:05:01impossible. First, I would say
00:05:04that for years, whether it is 2028,
00:05:082029 or
00:05:1130, that... at this moment, at least for me, does not
00:05:15play a key role. It might play a key role
00:05:19build their campaign for new elections on it. It is important that
00:05:21Montenegro joins the European Union, and a year or two means nothing,
00:05:25especially for us who have practically gone through or been in
00:05:29that process not only in Montenegro but in the region as a whole
00:05:33since our youth, and now we have grown old and we are still
00:05:36waiting for it to happen. Therefore, a year
00:05:39or two means nothing to us. We can all remember
00:05:432003, which was so long ago, when
00:05:47it was decided in Thessaloniki that
00:05:50the Balkans would be part of the European Union. When I say this, when
00:05:54we focus a little on Montenegro, definitely here,
00:05:57as I would say, two very good
00:06:01things have met. One thing is
00:06:04that Montenegro is doing exactly
00:06:07or progressing at a certain pace which is positive
00:06:10towards the European Union. But also
00:06:14the climate in the European Union has changed after the invasion of
00:06:17Ukraine and now Montenegro has a tailwind
00:06:20which, when you are sailing somewhere, definitely helps to
00:06:24speed up your sailing towards that goal. In that regard, when I
00:06:28compare this time with the time when I myself participated
00:06:32in those processes, I could say that then we often
00:06:36sailed against the current, and now we are sailing
00:06:39with the current, meaning towards that goal. Montenegro, as you said, has
00:06:43closed today or will close three new chapters.
00:06:46However, this is not the end. We must be
00:06:50careful, if I were to speak on behalf of Montenegro, very cautious about
00:06:53how to proceed, not only because of the need to show your political
00:06:56will to carry it through, but also because of the open bilateral
00:07:00issues at this moment with Croatia. I think this is
00:07:04one of the biggest challenges for Montenegro and the government should
00:07:08approach it seriously to avoid any
00:07:11unwanted reactions or statements by individual ministers who
00:07:14come from some pro-Serbian parties and so on, in order to
00:07:18keep that path open and to find some
00:07:22solution uh uh with Croatia. I am not in
00:07:25the government now, I cannot say anything, but I think this is definitely one of
00:07:29the biggest challenges in this
00:07:32upcoming period. And professor, you mentioned
00:07:36exactly that uh Croatia. You mentioned what
00:07:40is coming from
00:07:43Croatia. Here's what Grlić Radman, the Minister of
00:07:47Foreign Affairs of Croatia, said a few days ago on that very topic.
00:07:50So let's listen to him. A lot of ships sailed under the cover of night, for example, a
00:07:54submarine found its way across one state into another state,
00:07:57a military hospital and so on. We have all of that recorded. It's
00:08:01about property worth more than 2.7 billion
00:08:04dollars. The glorification of war criminals is incompatible with European
00:08:08values. Ratko Mladić began his bloody path in
00:08:12Croatia, remember Škabrnja, Knin, the attack on
00:08:15Šibenik. That is something that does not contribute to the stability of the region.
00:08:18Look, chapters cannot just be closed like that just because
00:08:22there are some geopolitical reasons. Here, it must be precisely
00:08:26seen what it is about, and for chapter 14, the real reasons must be
00:08:30determined, so one must go into the essence, into the substance. It's
00:08:34not about closing the chapter, but rather studying it well.
00:08:37That is our recommendation to others as well.
00:08:40Professor, he is talking here
00:08:43about submarines and about military property,
00:08:47about the ship Jadran, about some property worth
00:08:502.7 billion dollars. You
00:08:53participated in those negotiations, you participated in those
00:08:57processes. How much political
00:08:59game is there here, how much reality is there when it comes to
00:09:03Radman's statement?
00:09:05Uh, I must say, some positions are
00:09:09definitely justified. Uh, the position on Ratko
00:09:12Mladić and the glorification of crimes
00:09:15and criminals, uh, the way it was
00:09:19done recently by the President of the Montenegrin Parliament
00:09:22and so on, is definitely incompatible
00:09:26with Montenegro's idea and desire to join the European
00:09:29Union. Uh, some other positions uh are
00:09:33a product, as I would say, uh
00:09:36of a political moment. And when we
00:09:39negotiated, I taught. In those negotiations with Croatia regarding
00:09:42Prevlaka, these figures were not mentioned at all,
00:09:46nor did anyone, I was a direct participant in that for several
00:09:50years, and that negotiation was then concluded by
00:09:54signing a provisional agreement on Prevlaka which is still
00:09:56in force today. So from 2002 to
00:10:002026, 24 years have passed,
00:10:03and that agreement is in force. Never has either party to that agreement,
00:10:07meaning Croatia and Montenegro, protested about
00:10:11the violation of the agreement, and the agreement is deposited
00:10:14with the United Nations. At the time when we negotiated, the situation was different,
00:10:18the dynamics. Croatia needed to join the European Union, and Croatia needed
00:10:22to... uh uh how should I
00:10:25say, uh, I would say, put
00:10:29its relations with uh neighbors on what I would call
00:10:33healthy foundations, uh, and
00:10:37based on those principles, we reached that solution which was
00:10:41then put on paper and which both sides
00:10:44enjoyed. Uh, when I say this, I certainly do not
00:10:47mean that I should absolve Montenegro
00:10:50for something that happened in the 90s, or if some equipment
00:10:54was taken, for which Croatia has already signaled to us many
00:10:57times, just like the equipment from Ćilipi airport that ended up
00:11:01in Podgorica and so on and so forth. That was
00:11:04signaled long ago.
00:11:08Uh, the ship Jadran was also a subject of dispute
00:11:11and so on and so forth. Uh,
00:11:14I would say that such situations or such
00:11:18issues would best be resolved through legal means.
00:11:21When we talked about Prevlaka and its resolution, or
00:11:25separation on Prevlaka, demarcation on Prevlaka, we have long
00:11:29considered during both
00:11:32Sanader's terms that it should be resolved before a court, because both
00:11:36sides have a different approach to it, and that
00:11:39it is ultimately in the spirit of good neighborly
00:11:42relations. Uh, uh, we will see what
00:11:46will happen with this. I certainly believe that
00:11:49the ball should be calmed down and that legal solutions, not political
00:11:53solutions, should be sought in such
00:11:55situations. On the other hand, other countries in
00:11:59the region, I must be free, because now I am an academic, I am no longer uh, I am no
00:12:03longer, they should consider
00:12:06observing this behavior of Croatia, because they
00:12:09may also, in five or ten years, find themselves in a situation where they are joining the European Union.
00:12:13Uh, then certain problems will be
00:12:16delivered about which there is either silence now or no discussion and
00:12:20so on. They will be delivered on uh uh for
00:12:24overpayment, so to speak. Uh, finally, I just wanted to
00:12:27say this as well: that the difference between the Slovenian and
00:12:31Croatian dispute, which was then a problem for Croatia when it needed to join the European
00:12:35Union, and the Montenegrin and Croatian dispute is precisely that here
00:12:39there is a temporary regime, that that uh that
00:12:43regime was actually canonized, so to speak, by the very fact that the two
00:12:46sides agreed on it, that it is deposited with
00:12:50the United Nations, and that the creation of that regime actually
00:12:53ended the UN mission on Prevlaka. That
00:12:57is a big difference between those two from a legal and, if we want to look
00:13:00from an international legal perspective.
00:13:03So you are practically saying, let's play
00:13:07that bilaterally, neighborly, so that it doesn't
00:13:10become a problem for us when we are going towards the European
00:13:12Union. Uh, normally, there are some things we need to
00:13:16do, some things we did wrong, and many things can be corrected
00:13:20very easily. Uh, both Serbs and Montenegro
00:13:23have made several wrong moves, I mean
00:13:26this government now. I have now stated why,
00:13:30both in relation to the past and in relation to what happened in Bosnia
00:13:34and Herzegovina, certain members of the government, I am not saying that all who sit there
00:13:37are the same, that is also one, one perhaps,
00:13:40and and and a challenge, an internal challenge for Montenegro,
00:13:43that in this government there are people who sincerely advocate
00:13:47European integration, and people who have suddenly changed due to
00:13:51various reasons, and whom I personally do not trust, because either
00:13:54they would have to prove themselves for a long time to show that they have
00:13:58really changed, and statements like the statements about Ratko Mladić
00:14:01show that those changes were not uh, that those
00:14:05changes are only cosmetic. So there are various things that we can
00:14:08agree upon or that we can accept, I am not going into
00:14:12that, I said whether it is two billion or I don't know how much
00:14:15property, but there is definitely some property in Montenegro and that should be
00:14:19discussed, a commission can be formed that will list
00:14:21it, do it, check it and so on. And so
00:14:25on. So there are ways if countries want to
00:14:28solve these problems to solve them in a bilateral
00:14:32agreement. There are ways similar to this Jadran, the ship Jadran,
00:14:36where countries used that ship jointly and so on and so forth.
00:14:39There are ways like Denmark and Norway solved the problem
00:14:43of their uh maritime demarcation
00:14:46and the use of those, how should I say,
00:14:49deposits of gas
00:14:53by sharing profits and so on and so forth. So where there are neighbors
00:14:57who want to agree, there is agreement.
00:15:01Professor, when we talk about the broader
00:15:04region of the Western Balkans, almost
00:15:07nothing is working at this moment. When we look at
00:15:11the overall situation, relations, we just talked about them, between Zagreb and
00:15:14Podgorica are not exactly the best, between Belgrade and
00:15:17Podgorica are not the best, there is no dialogue between Belgrade
00:15:21and Pristina, Sarajevo and Belgrade are in very bad
00:15:24relations. Part of Sarajevo and
00:15:27Zagreb have a warm-cold relationship.
00:15:31It seems to me that Sarajevo and Podgorica currently have the fewest
00:15:34problems, they don't seem to be arguing about anything,
00:15:38but we can, precisely on the basis of what we have just
00:15:41discussed, somehow make that change
00:15:44and get the Balkans moving
00:15:48towards the Union, because now Marta Kos is talking about
00:15:52two countries being far ahead towards the European Union,
00:15:55Albania and Montenegro, and that we can already expect
00:15:58in about two or three years that Bosnia and Herzegovina, Serbia and Kosovo
00:16:02could remain, so to speak, that kind of plug that would be
00:16:06outside both NATO and the European Union.
00:16:10Many things are at play here, and the European Union also
00:16:13bears responsibility. So it's not only our responsibility here in
00:16:17the Balkans, because we are who we are, and we were like that before.
00:16:20I hope we have changed for the better, but as far as I can see, you yourself
00:16:24mentioned what you mentioned, the experience from the past
00:16:27and the 90s practically as if it has been
00:16:30forgotten. Uh, and we have the same patterns in
00:16:34the behavior uh rhetoric of certain leaders
00:16:37in the region, which were actually
00:16:40the basis of what led to
00:16:43the breakup of Yugoslavia and genocide in Bosnia and Herzegovina and so on and
00:16:47so forth. So those of us who remember, we can easily
00:16:50recognize it, but also I must say that
00:16:53many things that the European Union started here at the beginning of
00:16:57the 21st century, uh institutions or
00:17:00forms of cooperation in the region that were established
00:17:03then, uh they are uh in crisis, just
00:17:07as global uh uh multilateralism and
00:17:10cooperation at the global level are in crisis. Uh, so
00:17:14look at those institutions, forms of cooperation that were then various
00:17:18various types of regional integration and so on. They
00:17:23paper, they exist, but uh their content compared to what
00:17:27they were 15 years ago is very questionable. This opens
00:17:31up space for all those who uh pursue
00:17:34different policies. You mentioned, you mentioned
00:17:38this Serbia and the problem with Montenegro. Actually, Serbia
00:17:41has problems with almost all its neighbors uh around
00:17:44itself. Uh, this speaks more about those who are in power in
00:17:48Belgrade, again, or about the continuity of a certain type of policy
00:17:52which had a brief period of reassessment that
00:17:55lasted uh only a few years
00:17:58and then was actually continued with the policies that
00:18:02we saw from the late 80s, early 90s, throughout the
00:18:0590s. Uh... Montenegro, on the other hand, does not have problems
00:18:09with other neighbors, except, as you said, with Serbia and
00:18:13now, this, I wouldn't call it a dispute with Croatia, it's just an
00:18:16open question, because on other issues, we are not
00:18:19in any fundamental conflicts or
00:18:23differences. Uh, uh, many things
00:18:25need to change. I hope that the European Union will
00:18:29continue the process seriously, uh
00:18:33the process of opening the doors for
00:18:36the accession of Bosnia and Herzegovina and other countries, because that is the only
00:18:40way. Professor, you spoke about those
00:18:43other actors. Now we have seen a situation in which
00:18:47we have the interference of one team, that
00:18:51team is Donald Trump's team.
00:18:54We have seen his associates
00:18:56interfering in Bosnia and Herzegovina, in
00:19:00Albania, in Montenegro,
00:19:03in Serbia. We also saw in the past
00:19:07few days,
00:19:09with Donald Trump, that we saw the daughter of his chief of
00:19:13staff who was pictured with a long
00:19:17weapon in Bosnia and
00:19:20Herzegovina. How do you, as someone who
00:19:23uh has worked in the United States for a long time, but also
00:19:26knows the Balkans, view this situation? How dangerous
00:19:30can Trump's fueling of these
00:19:34uh players be, who don't always
00:19:38have the best intentions when it comes to
00:19:40the Balkans? That can be very dangerous. It can be
00:19:44dangerous for two reasons, and this, I would not call dangerous,
00:19:48but I would call it destabilizing for
00:19:50the Balkans, and it can slow down other processes. The first
00:19:54thing is that with Trump, one kind of
00:19:58synergy in approaching the Balkans between the United States
00:20:01and the European Union disappears. Since 2001 or
00:20:042002 or the end of the war and the fall of Milošević,
00:20:08and that Thessaloniki agenda that they told us about, there is actually
00:20:12a continuity of cooperation between the European Union
00:20:15and the United States when the Balkans are concerned, in which
00:20:19there is also a division of roles where the European Union plays
00:20:22a leading role, and the United States often supports, except for
00:20:26a few issues that they consider urgent when they need to intervene
00:20:29directly, as was the case with Bosnia or Kosovo. Now that policy
00:20:33has been abandoned, meaning that continuity no longer
00:20:36exists. Now a different
00:20:38approach is being introduced,
00:20:41which is based exclusively on uh, in that regard, it can
00:20:44be similar and understandable for many leaders
00:20:47of the Balkans, where personal uh... your personal, your personal
00:20:51interest, the interests of your family or the group of people you are
00:20:55surrounded by, are actually much more important than the strategic interests
00:20:59of your country, where profit uh
00:21:02outweighs everything else, and I would add Greece here. You just
00:21:06mentioned Greece, Bulgaria. The Wall Street Journal
00:21:09recently wrote about this. Recently, there was a discussion about a project in
00:21:12Bosnia and Herzegovina, and so on. World media follow this,
00:21:16because these are projects worth several billion dollars.
00:21:21Uh, and and and they open the door for
00:21:24corruption. So that is one thing. The second thing
00:21:27is that, as I said earlier, it opens
00:21:31up space for those forces and those people who have not
00:21:34had the support of the United States until now. It was
00:21:38unimaginable that Dodik or some people in Belgrade,
00:21:41nationalists, extreme nationalists, uh
00:21:44who champion xenophobic, pro-fascist
00:21:47policies and so on, would be supported by,
00:21:51by uh America. It doesn't matter if they are
00:21:55some marginal, non-marginal, influential or non-influential
00:21:59senators whom they meet when they travel to
00:22:02America, whether they are some, as I would call them, peculiar
00:22:06personalities in their views, but they are senators, they are also
00:22:10part of American politics, part of the American milieu, and in that
00:22:13regard, uh meeting with them
00:22:16or the possibility of meeting with them actually represents
00:22:20an exception that did not exist before. In that regard, these forces
00:22:24in the Balkans consider themselves supported and
00:22:28are starting to be louder, because suddenly it's not just Russia that
00:22:31can stand behind them, but suddenly it can also be
00:22:35America, as long as this policy that is currently
00:22:39in Washington persists. Professor, when we talk
00:22:42about Washington, uh, very
00:22:46soon we expect something that is uh,
00:22:49called... called mid-terms, or midterm elections.
00:22:52At this moment, when we look at congressional estimates, and here are some
00:22:56of them right on our screen that say that Democrats
00:23:00have a 65% chance to win the Senate and
00:23:04even a 93% chance to win
00:23:08the House of Representatives. Can
00:23:11precisely this change that we are seeing, which is
00:23:14being announced, both regarding the Senate and regarding the House of
00:23:18Representatives, be precisely the key factor in
00:23:21stopping those for whom you say are now
00:23:25becoming louder, when it comes to Milorad
00:23:28Dodik and some other people in the Western
00:23:31Balkans? That will certainly, first we need to see what will
00:23:35happen and we need to see how President Trump will react, because
00:23:39I would not rule out internal destabilization, I mean, I don't consider
00:23:43myself a pessimist, an extreme pessimist, but there were some announcements
00:23:46that he might again question the elections if
00:23:51the elections are negative for him and that he is trying to
00:23:54mobilize certain segments in American society to protest.
00:23:58My personal opinion is that given the previous
00:24:02experience in this case and the current
00:24:05quiet uh uh, how
00:24:07would I say, rearrangement within the Republican Party,
00:24:10uh, I don't know what might come of that,
00:24:14but uh, definitely these forces that you
00:24:17mentioned in the Balkans, which we talked about, would be
00:24:20weakened, because uh, then
00:24:23if the Democrats were to
00:24:26win the Senate, it is certain that they will win the House of Representatives.
00:24:30Even the Republicans no longer question it.
00:24:33Their latest statements no longer question it at all.
00:24:37But if they take 52 seats, which is now
00:24:40being talked about (51 is enough for them, but now they are talking about 52 or even
00:24:4453 seats in the Senate), that would be such a
00:24:47strong turn, practically what they would call
00:24:51a blue surge or some kind of big blue wave
00:24:54that will sweep everything away. Uh, that would
00:24:58put Trump in a very difficult situation, because with
00:25:01a majority in the Senate, they could
00:25:05exert constant pressure on him, which would
00:25:08politically weaken him and actually turn America
00:25:12towards
00:25:14internal uh internal issues
00:25:17uh that would weaken or influence American
00:25:20presence abroad, including
00:25:23the Balkans, uh, and these forces we talked about would no longer be able to
00:25:27count on such support as they have so far,
00:25:30or if that support was even
00:25:33offered, it would be clear that it's something
00:25:36that lives short, because the time of that
00:25:39administration is definitely questionable, and they have
00:25:42big problems at home, and he will be
00:25:45a so-called lame-duck president who is actually
00:25:48limping and uh, who cannot have
00:25:52full political power. Now, one more question for the end,
00:25:55professor, this is more of a human question, how do Americans
00:25:59live today with these incredibly... high
00:26:02prices, especially at gas pumps? I know how important it is
00:26:06for Americans to have a full tank,
00:26:10but now a gallon costs $6. Donald Trump
00:26:13didn't expect that. Now he's trying to solve that price through
00:26:17Putin, but how much does that change the way
00:26:21Americans look at politics today, and is it
00:26:24more important for them to think about what
00:26:28they will put on the table for their family to eat tonight
00:26:31than what is happening in the Gulf,
00:26:34for example, or in Ukraine, or anywhere else
00:26:37in the world at this moment? First, President Trump came to the head of America
00:26:41promising that there would be no American
00:26:44wars or involvement of America in world
00:26:47affairs, and he is now the president who has been most
00:26:51involved in the last 20 something years if
00:26:54we exclude, for example, our wars in the 90s and
00:26:58the intervention of the then presidents in
00:27:02"in the early 90s, I apologize,
00:27:06so first he failed those expectations, as a consequence of that
00:27:10failure and
00:27:13all, no, this is not a show about that, those wars, actually everything
00:27:16he has done so far, uh, at least
00:27:19as far as the views of experts are concerned, actually
00:27:22did not show American power,
00:27:26but everything he did actually contributed to people
00:27:30realizing uh the limits of that American power, whether
00:27:34it's Iran, whether it's Gaza, whether it's Ukraine, look now
00:27:37how Zelensky reacts, remember how it was the first time
00:27:41in the Oval Office, look how Canada reacts
00:27:44now, tariffs are no longer a bogeyman,
00:27:47and so on, so he showed the limitations of power
00:27:50everywhere, not at the end of the
00:27:53proud America again, or how should we say, Great America
00:27:57again, he came to a situation where he had to beg Russia for help to
00:28:01get that. so that he has
00:28:04this diesel, yes, that is a very important question for
00:28:07Americans, it is important because it directly affects
00:28:11the economy of every household, but it is important because
00:28:14it affects farmers in the Midwest,
00:28:17that is Trump's voting base, and
00:28:21because they use diesel, and these huge
00:28:24price increases actually affect them not being able to
00:28:29how they will uh express their... satisfaction
00:28:33by voting for that, if you now follow these events
00:28:36in the Midwest, the surprising support for candidates
00:28:40coming from Democrats in in states where
00:28:44Republicans had been continuously winning,
00:28:47I don't know and so on, actually indicates
00:28:51the depth of the problems that Republicans are
00:28:54facing at the moment, and all thanks to Trump who
00:28:58is the president of the country,
00:29:01Professor, thank you. Thank you for this conversation, thank you for this comprehensive
00:29:04analysis of everything we have seen
00:29:08not only in the Western Balkans, but
00:29:11also regarding the international
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