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00:00:00fully, but it shows certain trends that
00:00:03they started washing their hands of him and apologizing for
00:00:07everything they did, but something that is very interesting, Maggie
00:00:10Haberman, who recently wrote a book with Jonathan Swan
00:00:13called "Regime Change," regime change, which
00:00:17describes the first year of Trump's mandate and what
00:00:21I think not only in Croatia but in happened at the beginning of uh this war
00:00:24with Iran, says that the moment
00:00:28Benjamin Netanyahu came to the White House in the situation
00:00:31room, dessation room, mm, and when he
00:00:35presented mm the idea of how to go to this
00:00:38war, he says the head of the CIA, the head of the State
00:00:42Department, uh numerous other
00:00:45advisors, including military
00:00:48segments from the Pentagon, simply said, "No, what
00:00:52he is presenting to you, this idea that he is presenting to you, this will not work.
00:00:56This will not go well." However, for some reason, Trump decided to go
00:01:00with Benjamin Netanyahu's idea and he went into all of this,
00:01:04holidays there, or they go to into what he went, and now we have the whole situation that
00:01:07we have. Mhm, uh, what can happen,
00:01:10say - finish, finish,
00:01:13I had a comment, never mind, just finish. What can happen, you
00:01:16said, what can happen is
00:01:20that, even those who
00:01:23were sure within the Republican party,
00:01:26candidates he supported, but also candidates he didn't
00:01:30support, lose elections precisely because of what
00:01:34Carlson and others are saying, who have now started washing
00:01:37their hands of him, and then the situation will be much, much harder for Republicans than
00:01:41they expect at this moment, even in those
00:01:44federal states that were not red,
00:01:48but ultra-red, to now turn purple
00:01:52or blue, meaning to fall into the hands of Democrats.
00:01:55Esmir, now, while we were talking,
00:01:59footage from Gaza was playing.
00:02:02The example is, or rather, the ceasefire has been in effect since October
00:02:06of last year. However, Israel has violated
00:02:09that ceasefire and agreements
00:02:12dozens and hundreds of times. In recent
00:02:15days, we have witnessed new attacks, new
00:02:19civilian casualties,
00:02:20African continent, where renewed shelling of tent settlements,
00:02:23refugee camps, a war that has been going on
00:02:26for three and a half years. What... what I
00:02:30what I'm interested in uh
00:02:33pardon, not three and a half years, I misspoke,
00:02:37two and a half years. Uh, what I'm
00:02:40interested in,
00:02:43uh, can this agreement with Iran, since the war with
00:02:47Iran is certainly part of this broader story that it falls into, which
00:02:52comments, and even in a way started with the war against Gaza, all those conflicts in the
00:02:54Middle East that arose from it, especially if we consider that
00:02:58Iran. Hamas, Hezbollah, then the Houthis in Yemen
00:03:02are part of that axis of resistance. Um,
00:03:05do you think that, whatever the outcome of this war against Iran,
00:03:09somewhere there will be room
00:03:12to, in a way, regulate the situation in
00:03:15Gaza, and then in Lebanon? Let's not forget that
00:03:18part either.
00:03:21you know, we all And Lebanon is another uh thing, Lebanon will be a little
00:03:25harder to resolve when it comes to Gaza. Gaza is at this
00:03:28moment a victim of um domestic politics in
00:03:32Israel and the struggle for power
00:03:36between Netanyahu and his right-wing coalition and the opposition.
00:03:40Elections are on October 27th.
00:03:42Um, in those elections, Benjamin Netanyahu
00:03:45is trying to survive politically, on the
00:03:49other hand, uh, we are waiting to see what the
00:03:52opposition will do, because, for example, Gadi
00:03:54July is at Eisenkot, a former general, former chief of staff who
00:03:58leads the opposition, or rather the strongest
00:04:00in the opposition, it seems to me, is sending some messages that he
00:04:03might be willing to discuss a certain solution.
00:04:07However, we heard uh Bennett, Naftali Bennett,
00:04:10former prime minister or co-prime minister, whatever, who
00:04:13said a few days ago, "There's no chance for a
00:04:17two-state solution," meaning that a Palestinian state would be established in
00:04:20the Middle East, so we now have a situation in
00:04:24would not increase, from energy prices, little which that Gaza will
00:04:26remain difficult to resolve for a long time, and what...
00:04:30I have already said and will repeat again, two people cannot, Vitkov and
00:04:34Kushner, mm resolve
00:04:37three, four, five, crises that
00:04:40we currently have, and they cannot negotiate about all of that and know what is happening and
00:04:44resolve all of it. Richard Holbrooke would not have succeeded, let alone those two
00:04:48who do not come from diplomacy at all. If
00:04:50we could clone the late Holbrooke now and
00:04:54make five copies, that would be enough to solve
00:04:57all these few. behind or
00:05:01to bring up someone else from the old diplomats who could
00:05:05solve it, however, when it comes to Gaza, it seems
00:05:09to me that they have no idea how to do it, because
00:05:12Vox will come now, as we see, that... stabilization force has not been formed,
00:05:14some alleged pilot project is starting that should be
00:05:18the basis for something that could be done, this whole
00:05:21story about disarming Hamas is
00:05:24completely uh interesting, because they say, for example,
00:05:28"We will not disarm, but we will, I don't know, leave
00:05:31weapons aside," which practically means, "Let's put them in a
00:05:35container somewhere, and if we accidentally need them, we'll take them." We also
00:05:38heard that Muhammad Ahlan, who "is a former head of security
00:05:42in Gaza until 2011 who
00:05:46left uh those areas and lives in
00:05:48Dubai, has close contacts with Sheikhalyan
00:05:52and
00:05:54Aleksandar Vučić, who said that Hamas will
00:05:58become a political organization, that is, like
00:06:01Hezbollah, where you have a political party that has
00:06:05an armed wing, which is why I say Lebanon will be difficult
00:06:08to resolve, but Hamas is already a political organization and
00:06:11in power. But now it would become
00:06:15even stronger or perhaps more structured than it was, because
00:06:18until now it was more that they were uh
00:06:21a militant organization with a political wing, and now they
00:06:25would be a political organization with
00:06:28a military wing, something like the IRA in Northern Ireland
00:06:32or Hezbollah in Lebanon, which is why I say
00:06:35Lebanon will be harder to resolve because the Lebanese state is not
00:06:39strong enough, the army is not strong enough to deal with...
00:06:42uh Hezbollah and due to the internal political
00:06:46structure, that Hezbollah is important to them in a political sense, so
00:06:50there are many intertwining elements
00:06:53one over the other, so there will be many things that
00:06:56will be difficult to resolve, and Trump here absolutely does not
00:07:00use those classic negotiation uh
00:07:03principles and models that were once used, but tries
00:07:07with threats, social media posts and so on
00:07:10to solve such complex matters, which in the end results in what
00:07:14happened with Ukraine, with Gaza and with all
00:07:17the rest. So, for the end, Esmir,
00:07:21in the past few days, last week,
00:07:24Ceuta, this whole situation, Morocco-
00:07:28Spain, so this Spanish territory on the
00:07:33tens of thousands of migrants from
00:07:37Morocco landed. They were mostly returned, it seems to me that
00:07:40about a thousand undocumented
00:07:43people remained, how many
00:07:462,500 people with some 800 minors,
00:07:49so I have, I have 100, okay, those are those
00:07:53numbers, but what interests me, I'm more interested in this
00:07:57geopolitical aspect of this
00:07:59whole story. In recent days, opinions and
00:08:05analyses, have been reported that
00:08:07this is something that could
00:08:10have been orchestrated. This is something that could have been
00:08:14part of some strategy
00:08:18to destabilize Spain, to bring up
00:08:21some issues within the European
00:08:24Union itself. Some blame uh Israel and
00:08:27the United States for this. Let's remember that Donald
00:08:31Trump himself threatened Spain -
00:08:34partly because of Spain's refusal to allow their
00:08:37territory and American bases there to be used for attacks on Iran,
00:08:40and on the other hand, we know that Spain is perhaps
00:08:44the loudest European and one of the main countries
00:08:47in the world that opposes Israeli policy and
00:08:50wars, primarily against
00:08:52Gaza?
00:08:54Is there a possibility that this was a hybrid action, some hybrid
00:08:58activity, that Iranians, Israelis,
00:09:02Americans and anyone else currently on the geopolitical
00:09:05scene could have been involved? However, what is interesting
00:09:08to me in the European political
00:09:11space mm... the first ones who came forward to
00:09:15criticize Sanchez and Sanchez's policy were
00:09:18people who expect elections next year:
00:09:22Giorgia Meloni in Italy, AFD in
00:09:25Germany, Le Pen and Bardela in
00:09:28France. Practically, they want to use this story
00:09:32to raise tensions, to
00:09:34frighten people, to say, "Look, we still have an influx
00:09:38of migrants, only we can protect you from
00:09:42that migrant influx." For example, Giorgia Meloni got
00:09:45to the point where she said, "We need to suspend Schengen, we need
00:09:49to ban Spain, this or
00:09:52that." Nobody reminded that Giorgia
00:09:56Meloni had the idea to move migrants from
00:09:58Italy to Albania, to give them to Edi Rama
00:10:02so that Edi Rama deals with them until they get a court
00:10:05decision on what to do with those emigrants. On the other hand,
00:10:09we have this fueling of
00:10:13opposition to Sanchez, because of course, they hope
00:10:16that now PP Feijóo will come
00:10:19to power or that some combination of Feijóo and
00:10:24to power, so then the far right will be in power in Spain, which
00:10:28would suit them better at this moment,
00:10:31because the claim that came from both Giorgia
00:10:35Meloni and others that they attacked the
00:10:38European uh continent was completely absurd.
00:10:41Not one of these migrants crossed into
00:10:45Spain, they all remained on African territory, and as you yourself said, they were all returned to Morocco, so this was
00:10:49more of a political, so to speak, game, instead
00:10:52of concern for those people and for... Europeans living
00:10:56within the European Union, this will probably be used
00:10:59in the coming period, whether Trump tried
00:11:02to do something against Sanchez, I wouldn't be
00:11:05surprised if he really did, because we saw in Ankara that
00:11:09he was spitting fire against Sanchez and
00:11:12before that at the NATO summit and before that, so
00:11:16possibilities for everything exist, although
00:11:20I think this was a bit of a combination
00:11:24of that mm... Sanchez's law on legalizing
00:11:27migrants and some
00:11:31campaign that was conducted on social networks for people to
00:11:34try to cross, there were traffickers who tried
00:11:38to sell this as a good idea,
00:11:41however, that program was finished long ago, so there's nothing of that
00:11:44and many realized, "Okay, we were tricked," and
00:11:48well, "Let's go back, what can we do
00:11:51now?" Sanchez of course has his own internal problems.
00:11:55In the party, in society, and everything else, but he
00:11:58is also going to elections, so we'll see how
00:12:26Washington and Tehran continue negotiations, but Donald Trump
00:12:29simultaneously again threatens strong attacks if the agreement
00:12:32fails. At the same time, Israel continues its attacks on Gaza
00:12:36and says it will remain there until Hamas is
00:12:38disarmed.
00:12:41The US and Ukraine are negotiating the production of missile parts for
00:12:44Patriot systems while Russian attacks further burden
00:12:48Ukrainian air defense. At the same time,
00:12:51residents are being evacuated from the east of the country due to the approaching
00:12:55Russian forces.
00:12:58Multi-hour queues towards Montenegro again blocked
00:13:01the far south of Croatia and created problems for tourists
00:13:04and local residents. In a few moments, we will talk
00:13:08with the mayor of Konavle municipality about the blocking traffic jams,
00:13:12the season, and the question of whether Croatia is losing competitiveness.
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00:15:51few days we followed these large crowds in the south of Croatia
00:15:55that blocked your area, specifically
00:15:58the municipality of Konavle, you were
00:16:01among the most affected, how much did it
00:16:04affect tourists, but equally important is the question,
00:16:07how much did it affect you and the entire local
00:16:10population?
00:16:13Well, it's true that it was like that, that weekend was
00:16:17a bit chaotic,
00:16:20namely, through Konavle at that time, about
00:16:24mm 14 to 15,000 vehicles and
00:16:27somewhere over 40,000
00:16:30mm 40,000 people passed through, so that's
00:16:33about five times, we are
00:16:36a community of about eight thousand
00:16:39inhabitants, so five times as large as Konavle is in general,
00:16:43mm, of course, it looked truly chaotic,
00:16:47we had big problems, but I have to say that
00:16:50the police did an excellent job
00:16:53and prevented any greater inconveniences
00:16:56that could have happened. Uh,
00:16:59so there was nervousness in that column,
00:17:03you have to understand, people waited for 12 to 15 hours, there was nervousness for...
00:17:07our local population, people can't get home from work,
00:17:11they can't, mm, you can't simply function normally, the biggest
00:17:15fear in the whole story was that God forbid something more
00:17:18serious would happen, some traffic accident, that a potential
00:17:21fire or something would happen, then it would be uh
00:17:24a complete disaster, but as I said, we ended up
00:17:28doing well, what we have now is that we have remediated those huge
00:17:31amounts of waste that were along the way, so
00:17:34we are waiting, we are expecting a new, new weekend and we hope that there won't be
00:17:38such a crowd as there was last time, and I don't think there should
00:17:42be. There are a number of circumstances that have
00:17:45happened, first Feragosto started in Italy, then the
00:17:49school holidays started in Western
00:17:53Europe, of course everyone
00:17:56wanted to especially uh the Albanian
00:17:59population and also the Macedonian to come home with their
00:18:02families for these holidays and so I say we hope
00:18:06that this weekend will not be quite... as it was this
00:18:09past weekend. Are there any preparations you are working on
00:18:12before this new weekend? Yes, yes, exactly,
00:18:15I will have a meeting with the civil
00:18:19protection staff and the police today after this conversation
00:18:22with you and we will agree on what we can. Look, we cannot control the flow,
00:18:26the flow is what it is at the border, mm,
00:18:29the border, the Croatian border, the Montenegrin border is
00:18:32close, there is an additional problem when it gets
00:18:35clogged up there, when it gets clogged up here, then we have a problem,
00:18:39we have to, you know, then those passengers
00:18:43are successively let through. Mr.
00:18:47Lasić, when we talk about the season, these big
00:18:51crowds can in one way
00:18:53absolutely look like a good season, like
00:18:57a large number of people, a large influx of tourists,
00:19:00however, we have been hearing for the past two months since the season
00:19:04started that it might not be as rosy as expected,
00:19:07that some period of stagnation
00:19:10has set in.
00:19:12What is the season like specifically for you in the municipality
00:19:14of Konavle? I can only speak about the season in the municipality
00:19:18of Konavle, I wouldn't touch on others, so that's why I'm asking.
00:19:22Yes, so here in our area, the season is good. We
00:19:25had June in the black, I think by some
00:19:29two to three percent.
00:19:32the level of last year. We mainly have airline
00:19:36guests, so we are an airline destination. In
00:19:38our opinion, guests from the United Kingdom
00:19:42make up about 40%, and for now
00:19:45we can be satisfied. I often
00:19:48emphasize that it's not just the number of guests that's
00:19:52important, but how satisfied the local population is,
00:19:55how the whole system functions,
00:19:59mm, you know when you have as many
00:20:03inhabitants as you do, when you have a big
00:20:06crowd, a large influx of guests, and these incidental problems that
00:20:10occur, of course an additional atmosphere is
00:20:13created and you have a, let's say, conditional
00:20:17problem, but thank God so far we are doing everything
00:20:20as we should, we have a very good communal infrastructure for
00:20:24now, sewage, water, drainage, that means
00:20:28a lot to us, we have truly arranged it exceptionally well
00:20:31in the last 30 years, so that all larger settlements,
00:20:34including Cavtat,
00:20:37Gruda, Molunat, have their own sewage system, we are preparing for
00:20:41the construction of sewage for Čilipi, although it has partly reached Čilipi, to the airport
00:20:45and that is very important, you have a sewage system that
00:20:49functions, you have... clean sea, when you walk
00:20:52along the promenade in Cavtat, you will always
00:20:55see clear and clean sea, so Cavtat, as
00:20:58you can see, Konavle deserves a series of awards that we have had in the last
00:21:02few years, that is important to us, we have some problems
00:21:05with m, as all places in Croatia, and
00:21:11all of Europe, that is the problem of waste management, but
00:21:15we are trying to organize that somehow and I hope we will solve that problem
00:21:18in the coming years, we need to change people's habits
00:21:22a little, we need to organize it a little better, arrange it, but
00:21:25I think there will be no reason why we wouldn't do it well.
00:21:29And Mr. Lasić,
00:21:31Croatia as a tourist destination, especially
00:21:35the south of Croatia, perhaps in these
00:21:39new, new trends that are emerging, the Mediterranean
00:21:42is no longer that sole interesting
00:21:46destination. Today we see people going to the mountains, to the Alps.
00:21:50They spend their annual
00:21:54places that are more competitive in terms of prices. You
00:21:57said that you definitely maintained or increased traffic
00:22:01by a few percent, i.e. the arrival of tourists, but what
00:22:05interests me is what the situation is with
00:22:09their spending once they arrive, specifically
00:22:12in the municipality of Konavle, is there less or equal
00:22:16consumption and eating, for example, in
00:22:18restaurants. Or is that information you might not have? I'm interested
00:22:22in whether the season has perhaps weakened
00:22:25on some other parameters, but still due to the rising
00:22:29prices that we all feel?
00:22:32Yes, you stated that correctly, it is true that the habits
00:22:35of guests and tourists are changing, new generations are coming who have
00:22:39completely different thoughts, different
00:22:42desires, that is often some, let's say
00:22:46adventurous tourism and some
00:22:49others. "I say some other destinations are
00:22:52that are more interesting. Today you have
00:22:55one characteristic that a guest, before you had a guest who would
00:22:59come with their car, I remember in my mm
00:23:02and that was still long ago, 30, 40
00:23:06years ago, 50, in my youth, a guest would come from
00:23:09Germany, park their car at the hotel and then stay for 10, 15
00:23:13days or seven. You had a guest for eight days, for 15 days or more.
00:23:16Today you have a young man who comes and wants to see
00:23:20as much as possible, visit different destinations, he will come to
00:23:24Konavle, come to Cavtat, he will go to Kotor, he will go, I
00:23:28don't know, to Cetinje, he will go to Mostar,
00:23:31Dubrovnik, all these are destinations that interest him and he stays for two to
00:23:34three days here with us and habits
00:23:38are really changing in that sense. We
00:23:41in Konavle have truly responded through agrotourism,
00:23:45through some new destinations that we have created and
00:23:48we are trying our best. as much as we can, mm
00:23:52and I say habits are changing, the narrative is changing,
00:23:55the story is changing, today tanning is no longer, it's not
00:23:59really in, is it? It
00:24:01is talked about the sun as m, a kind of
00:24:04danger, that you get melanoma or I don't know what else, so
00:24:08people avoid it,
00:24:11have to be prepared for that, whether guests, whether guests spend
00:24:15less or more, it is true that they spend less, but it is also a fact that we
00:24:19are a destination that is certainly expensive, but
00:24:22again, the other day I had one such classic example,
00:24:26I always tell an anecdote and give some concrete
00:24:29examples, by coincidence I was in Paris and a kilo of cherries was
00:24:33over 30 euros, so everywhere you go, I'm afraid
00:24:36the euro, thanks to, thanks to the so-called corona
00:24:40crisis, has truly devalued significantly and today
00:24:43I have the feeling when I have one euro in my pocket
00:24:47that I have one kuna, and even in some things that...
00:24:50'm that kuna is stronger, at least that's my
00:24:53impression than that one euro, but here
00:24:56I say, we try, guests try their best to
00:24:59please guests, but in my opinion, the price
00:25:03is still, the prices are not, are not appropriate, they are not
00:25:06as high as they should be, and even more so because the state has intervened
00:25:10in a number of ways so that prices
00:25:14is said about that, they have been frozen for
00:25:17years, this has been going on, electricity has...' "become
00:25:20truly, in my opinion, cheap, too cheap, attempts
00:25:23have been made with the price of oil, with
00:25:26other benefits, and the government has
00:25:29conditionally exerted pressure on local self-government not
00:25:33to increase communal fees, contributions, and so on, we have
00:25:36done all that, and we have now come to a situation, if
00:25:40you allow me, because I am in the position of president of the community and municipalities of the Republic
00:25:44of Croatia, we have come to a situation as
00:25:47what is in Germany in other countries up to local only..." the administration's
00:25:51function has come into question, you know, because for
00:25:55years we haven't increased prices and the prices of stays in
00:25:58kindergartens and the prices of utility fees, contributions. all
00:26:02the rest and local taxes, that's one problem, we haven't
00:26:05increased, increased for these reasons I mentioned, but
00:26:09of course there are also political reasons why
00:26:12local, uh, local leaders in a
00:26:15way, uh, didn't want to increase it for political reasons,
00:26:19these are the problems we face, I see in Germany there were demonstrations
00:26:22in front of the Bundestag by local
00:26:25leaders and so on and so forth these are problems that we simply
00:26:29have to solve on the fly.
00:27:02The Danube is at historically low levels, new
00:27:06sandbanks are appearing, parts of the structures of sunken
00:27:09ships are visible. In Vukovar is our Ivan
00:27:12Hrstić, Ivan, what is the situation there with
00:27:16the water level and these
00:27:17droughts?
00:27:22The day after the Adriatic Sea, a small coast of the Pannonian
00:27:25Sea that dried up who knows how long ago, already
00:27:28tens or hundreds of thousands.
00:27:32yen at this moment what is left of
00:27:36the Danube doesn't look so miserable
00:27:40and harmless as someone might think at this moment,
00:27:43at first glance the drama is not visible,
00:27:47the Danube here in Vukovar, further it is still
00:27:50very much present and wide, although of course the people of Vukovar
00:27:53will wave their hand and say it's a shallow, here behind
00:27:57my back, we see several
00:27:59ships and including
00:28:03a passenger cruiser,
00:28:06so which simply cannot go further,
00:28:09it got stuck here that is the rule
00:28:13for shipping in this part of the Danube,
00:28:16a few kilometers south near the Šarengrad
00:28:20island, a convoy of Austrian
00:28:23tugboats got stuck, which of course did not run aground on
00:28:27some sandbank on dry land, it is still
00:28:30in the middle of a very wide... Danube, but not deep
00:28:33enough for uh normal
00:28:37navigation, what they say at this moment in the
00:28:40internal navigation administration in Zagreb as in the
00:28:43port authority in
00:28:46Vukovar is that they are trying to organize at least
00:28:49a minimal navigable channel in the middle
00:28:52of the river, at least so that uh so that ships
00:28:56can sail in one direction and so that
00:29:00at some locations they can uh... pass
00:29:03each other alternately, but it is obvious that in some
00:29:06places this is no longer possible and that
00:29:09traffic is stopping, it is ensured of course that
00:29:13ships that dock in the port can normally uh
00:29:16tie up so that people can get on and off, that is
00:29:20disembark and embark on ships, here across
00:29:23the way, the camera has turned its gaze towards
00:29:26the Vukovar island where the people of Vukovar are still swimming,
00:29:29but probably most of them... "I would say
00:29:33everyone goes there
00:29:35wading across the Danube, that would still be an irresponsible
00:29:39adventure, some perhaps can even swim across, but
00:29:43to get there, to get there you go by boat, on the other side
00:29:46the arm of the Danube which is
00:29:49towards the border with Serbia, it has largely
00:29:53dried up, just like
00:29:57a little further south on Vučedol island where you can
00:30:00almost cross the Danube..." but of course, if someone
00:30:04tells you they crossed the Danube, then you can be sure that it
00:30:08was not in the main course of the Danube, but that it happened
00:30:12on one of the towards one of the islands across
00:30:15one of the Danube arms,
00:30:19and it is also clear that it is not an adventure for
00:30:22everyone, because sandy along the sandy
00:30:26sandbanks, there is also mud, in some places quicksand
00:30:29can also form, so... "one still
00:30:33needs an eye that has learned
00:30:36to recognize such situations and
00:30:39such locations,
00:30:41here in Vukovar, so the Danube is still
00:30:45very much uh there, almost in its full
00:30:48width, the only thing missing is the Vuka, but it is not the first
00:30:52time that the Vuka has dried up,
00:30:55usually when the Danube rises then it
00:30:58flows into the Vuka.