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00:04:12Good morning and welcome again, a new day
00:04:15in the Zagreb studio of N1 Television. We will devote the next
00:04:19minutes to the development of events between Ukraine and Russia,
00:04:23of course with the mediation, that is, the somewhat
00:04:26shocking decision of Donald Trump to lift the barrier.
00:04:30That is, to suspend sanctions against Russian
00:04:33energy sources, let them go to
00:04:37the rest of the world. In the background of that decision is, of course,
00:04:40the question of the American mid-term elections, that is,
00:04:43the so-called elections that come halfway through
00:04:47the mandate and where Trump and the Republicans are doing
00:04:51quite badly, in no small part due to high
00:04:54inflation and high energy prices precisely in
00:04:57the USA itself. So now. What will that actually
00:05:01mean for geostrategic relations in
00:05:04the world, for the consequences for those very relations, what
00:05:08of that oil that Russia sells will end
00:05:11up as financing the attack
00:05:15on Ukraine, what will go to Iran, what will go to China and so on
00:05:18and so forth, all of that is somewhere in third or
00:05:22tenth place for Donald Trump, but high on
00:05:25his priorities, on his list of priorities is the question
00:05:29of elections in Ukraine, that is, the intention to remove
00:05:33Volodymyr Zelenskyy. We will talk about all this with our guest
00:05:37soon, but before that, let's hear what Zelenskyy
00:05:40himself had to say based on this latest
00:05:44development of events, that is, based on the fact that Donald
00:05:47Trump announced that an infrastructure
00:05:51ceasefire, an energy ceasefire, has been reached, that is, that
00:05:55an agreement has been reached between Russia and Ukraine not to
00:05:58attack energy facilities. The question,
00:06:02of course, is whether someone told the Ukrainians, if not the Russians?
00:06:05Ukrajincima?
00:06:07And today there is a statement from the President of the United States
00:06:11that... an energy ceasefire
00:06:15has been reached, this is good news
00:06:17for everyone, it is important that this
00:06:20becomes part of reality. Ukraine
00:06:23is ready not to strike Russian
00:06:27energy and we expect similar
00:06:30readiness from Russia. We welcome
00:06:33such an agreement. Unfortunately, throughout the day
00:06:37today there were Russian Shaheds in the sky, now
00:06:40there are also Shaheds in the sky, and there were
00:06:43strikes, unfortunately, from air bombs and there were strikes on our
00:06:47energy infrastructure.
00:06:49We are now going to Kyiv to our guest, Professor Maksym
00:06:53Kamenyetsky from the Institute of International Relations in Kyiv. Professor, good day to you and
00:06:57welcome to our program.
00:07:00Good day to you and your
00:07:04viewers. Let's start by seeing
00:07:07if this ceasefire that Donald
00:07:10Trump mentioned has really been respected,
00:07:13that is, that there are no attacks on energy infrastructure either
00:07:17in Russia or in
00:07:18Ukraine.
00:07:22Uh, it's a bit strange for me, uh, what
00:07:25Trump said, actually he didn't mention
00:07:28any
00:07:32Russian statements about that, because that's
00:07:35the main, main thing, whether
00:07:39Russia accepted what Trump said. And that's where I
00:07:43have the biggest doubt, the biggest doubts, because
00:07:46from the Russian side, what I heard last
00:07:49night, was that Russia would only consider
00:07:53uh such, such
00:07:55things, however, what they did last night already
00:07:59after this Trump's statement, they struck
00:08:02several places, as far as Kharkiv is concerned,
00:08:06uh, they hit one
00:08:09power plant there. I don't know,
00:08:13I mean, I'm in Kyiv, but in Kyiv they
00:08:16hit one
00:08:18part of this electrical system
00:08:22of the city, which is responsible
00:08:25for supplying uh apartments
00:08:28of approximately hundreds of thousands of Kyiv residents
00:08:30and somewhere around half
00:08:34of Kyiv's power supply
00:08:37to pumps, water pumps that
00:08:39supply residential buildings with water, hot and
00:08:43cold. After this strike, about a hundred
00:08:46thousand Kyiv residents were left without electricity and
00:08:50half of the city of Kyiv was without
00:08:53any water overnight, this was already
00:08:57after uh after this statement by Trump about
00:09:01an energy ceasefire, so for
00:09:04me it's a bit
00:09:07premature or or something he said is
00:09:11most likely, as often happened before, it's
00:09:14some kind of desire for Trump to believe that he achieved
00:09:17some kind of agreement, that is, Ukraine and Russia
00:09:21certainly achieved nothing, uh, because
00:09:24there were no such bilateral agreements,
00:09:27it's something that was most likely at the level
00:09:31between uh Ukraine, USA,
00:09:34USA, Russia, but Russia has not yet confirmed that it
00:09:38has really stopped or is ready for
00:09:41these strikes. And a very important
00:09:45thing, uh, there is no,
00:09:47uh, any, any notion of
00:09:51what Ukraine and Russia consider energy
00:09:54facilities, because, one
00:09:58thing, uh, these,
00:10:00these factories, oil refineries in
00:10:04Russia, which, which Ukraine
00:10:07is really hitting, quite effectively,
00:10:11but as for.
00:10:25everything that supplies, say, large cities
00:10:29with heat, water and electricity, uh,
00:10:32plus pumps that they also
00:10:35started hitting in our territory, there's nothing,
00:10:39nothing is known, that's why I think it's just
00:10:43the beginning of some talks and
00:10:46unfortunately I think there will be more
00:10:50information about strikes on energy
00:10:53infrastructure. From the Russian side,
00:10:56uh, I'm almost sure, and ours will certainly
00:11:00respond to such Russian
00:11:02policy. How is Donald Trump's
00:11:06and the American administration's decision to
00:11:09uh Russian oil actually be exempted
00:11:13from the framework of sanctions against Russia,
00:11:16to allow it to enter the international
00:11:20system, that is, for Russia to, of course, earn
00:11:23something from it, perceived in Ukraine?
00:11:26Yes, of course, such
00:11:28ideas, Ukrainians no
00:11:32longer look
00:11:35at Trump through rose-tinted glasses
00:11:38and are quite
00:11:40skeptical about what he
00:11:44says and what he does, unfortunately this
00:11:48suspension of intelligence
00:11:51sharing, which is crucial for Ukraine's
00:11:55defense, already at the beginning
00:11:57of Trump's administration
00:12:01already cost civilian
00:12:05Ukrainians lives,
00:12:08but as for what he
00:12:11is doing now, first I must
00:12:14say one thing that coincides
00:12:18with that situation, if you
00:12:20remember from the Oval Office in
00:12:25the house and the quarrel
00:12:29between him and Zelenskyy about clothes, gratitude and
00:12:33so on, it led to
00:12:36an increase in support
00:12:39for Ukrainians and Zelenskyy, with
00:12:42many, many people
00:12:44being skeptical towards
00:12:47towards Zelenskyy
00:12:49and his,
00:12:52his certain colleagues. But still, what
00:12:55Trump often does benefits
00:12:59Zelenskyy's authority
00:13:03among Ukrainians
00:13:06and Ukrainians also know very well that the amount
00:13:09of oil, i.e. diesel, that Russia
00:13:13allegedly supplied to the territory of the United
00:13:16States, that the completely agreed quantity
00:13:20is approximately for ten to fifteen hours of the American
00:13:23market's needs. Given that America itself is
00:13:27one of the biggest exporters of that
00:13:29oil, this is about other things,
00:13:33first of all, what allegedly and
00:13:37this deal that Trump made
00:13:41with Putin is most likely related to the future
00:13:45purchase of Lukoil's
00:13:47assets of this Russian giant
00:13:50Lukoil,
00:13:52uh, which allegedly,
00:13:56uh, people from Trump's closest circle have
00:13:59interests. Most likely that deal was about
00:14:03that, and on the other hand, that
00:14:06move uh eases
00:14:09pressure on Ukraine that Putin
00:14:12wants to achieve in order for
00:14:15Ukraine to stop its
00:14:19uh, its resistance to this
00:14:23Russian aggression. So Ukrainians saw nothing
00:14:27new there and the way
00:14:30it turned out again confirms
00:14:34that Trump is a very unpredictable person.
00:14:38It's quite difficult to comment on what could even
00:14:42be
00:14:44some uh some
00:14:48diagnosis for psychiatrists.
00:14:51Uh, one of the biggest problems for uh... Trump, but not just for Trump,
00:14:55but also for Republicans, but also for the AFD in Germany,
00:14:58Marine Le Pen in France and so
00:15:01on, is the fact that
00:15:04Ukraine hit data centers in Russia,
00:15:07primarily Yandex, one of the most famous data
00:15:11centers uh in Russia, or what is
00:15:14usually colloquially called a troll
00:15:17farm here in the West. You can see
00:15:21literally on a daily basis... look how terribly support
00:15:25for the AFD is falling,
00:15:27for Marine Le Pen in France,
00:15:30for some other parties, people
00:15:34who support Brexit, Nigel Farage.
00:15:37In England, and of course, Republicans and Trump
00:15:41in the US. So there is a very clear cause-and-effect
00:15:45relationship. Is that what is perhaps actually the biggest problem for
00:15:48Trump if attacks on data centers in Russia
00:15:52continued, that it would clearly reflect
00:15:56on political relations in the West,
00:15:59that is, support for parties that are
00:16:02most often considered radical and that
00:16:06undermine the way the West has functioned
00:16:09for the last 50 years and longer.
00:16:13And I must say that this
00:16:16tool that is in these
00:16:20computer networks, that is actually a tool
00:16:24uhm and through that tool
00:16:27Russia uses everything you
00:16:30mentioned, uh, I must say that
00:16:33it is still felt in Ukraine,
00:16:35because that hybrid war is being waged not
00:16:39only, not only in the West,
00:16:42but even more so in Ukraine
00:16:46for
00:16:47the opinion of Ukrainians.
00:16:51We also felt that, uh,
00:16:54I think, unfortunately,
00:16:57uh, one thing, Russians will, of course,
00:17:01find a way to move these
00:17:04data centers to other
00:17:07locations, I don't know, can they even move
00:17:11them to Belarus, and they can
00:17:15continue the work of those data
00:17:18centers, uh, the problem is that
00:17:21society is now in such a
00:17:24quantity of information that is
00:17:28currently reaching every person, it
00:17:31certainly cannot decide what
00:17:35should be, who and how one should support
00:17:38in elections, and that's
00:17:41why such populism like linking, for example, aid
00:17:45to Ukraine with economic problems in those
00:17:48countries, that is a very favorable thing
00:17:51for everyone who works for Putin
00:17:55and, uh, then of course, a strike
00:17:59on such infrastructure that
00:18:02uses that tool of information
00:18:05transfer for some time. Time will certainly
00:18:08reduce
00:18:12perhaps the influence
00:18:15of Russian influence formed, it is a hybrid, really
00:18:19hybrid warfare that Russia is waging, it will decrease
00:18:23for some time, but for a certain
00:18:26time, uh, it will return to its
00:18:30or try to return to those
00:18:34indicators, however, what uh...
00:18:37Problems at Russian data centers
00:18:40uh led to a reduction
00:18:44in political propaganda of some forces
00:18:48in Europe, that is still an indicator
00:18:51of how different and dangerous that
00:18:55hybrid war is in current Europe
00:18:58and it concerns European countries,
00:19:02unfortunately. One of the things Trump brought
00:19:05up in the last two days as a demand to Ukraine
00:19:09is a repeated demand for elections to be held, again
00:19:13the question why Zelenskyy is still president, the answer that
00:19:17came was, if Russia stopped attacking, maybe elections
00:19:20could be held, but what is the current
00:19:24position of President Zelenskyy in Ukrainian
00:19:26society, in Ukrainian political
00:19:30public opinion? Uh, as I said, after
00:19:33such arguments with Trump, his authority
00:19:37increases and he still enjoys great
00:19:40or maybe even majority
00:19:43uh majority support from Ukrainians,
00:19:46regardless of having competitors,
00:19:50there are also those who
00:19:53are dissatisfied with most of his personnel
00:19:56appointments, that, that, that is certainly true and
00:20:00problems were uh for every president
00:20:03of Ukraine, but unlike Putin, unlike
00:20:07Trump, uh, Zelenskyy certainly doesn't fear
00:20:10elections. Uh, another thing I
00:20:14must emphasize, uh, the question of elections in Ukraine,
00:20:18that is not Trump's question. And he has nothing
00:20:21to say about that, uh, I mean,
00:20:24such statements, uh,
00:20:27I know he doesn't always choose his words
00:20:30or perhaps uses some claims
00:20:33that are not quite fitting for a political
00:20:37leader of that level, but certainly, uh,
00:20:41when it comes to clinging to his
00:20:44armchair, he is in a worse
00:20:47position than Zelenskyy. Zelenskyy himself will
00:20:51decide whether he should run or
00:20:55he would leave this
00:20:57position, whom will they elect
00:21:01uh in the elections, that will be decided by the Ukrainian people
00:21:04and uh unlike
00:21:08Putin, for example, who has been in power
00:21:11for over 20 years
00:21:14uh with rigged elections
00:21:17or Trump who says that
00:21:21his victory was stolen and now he has to fight
00:21:25against attempts of
00:21:28abduction in new elections,
00:21:32Zelenskyy can freely choose,
00:21:35he can freely choose, I know that a rather large
00:21:39part of Ukrainians would vote for him if he ran
00:21:42again, there are people who are told that
00:21:46they would be competition to him, that certainly exists
00:21:50in Ukraine,
00:21:54they live normally in Ukraine
00:21:57uh unlike, say, Russia or Belarus, so those
00:22:01elections will be decided by the Ukrainian people
00:22:05and Zelenskyy will decide
00:22:07whether to run, and for
00:22:10now his support is sufficient for
00:22:14governing, governing the state.
00:22:17Yes, we will, of course, continue to follow what is happening, so... finally, just
00:22:21information that has just been announced by
00:22:24the spokesperson of the European Commission that the European Union
00:22:27will support Ukraine with, if I'm not mistaken, about six
00:22:30billion uh euros for precisely
00:22:34defense, strengthening defense capabilities.
00:22:37It is clear that for Europe, Ukraine is of crucial
00:22:40importance and that it can no longer rely on
00:22:44America.
00:22:47Yes, unfortunately, unfortunately, yes, but.
00:22:50"We have no other choice but to fight in such
00:22:54conditions, which we will continue to do.
00:22:56Yes, Professor Kamenetsky, thank you very much for being our
00:23:00guest. Of course, we wish you a peaceful and
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00:23:07Thank you very much, Krešimir, and to your viewers, and
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