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00:00:00Some special guests will join us, but before that,
00:00:03let's put the questions in front of you one by one, the questions on which we will
00:00:07include all the guests in this debate
00:00:09today.
00:00:14What does Gyanesh Kumar have that made him beat up children, and even the big politicians
00:00:18who came
00:00:19were retained?
00:00:22These people literally sent goons and kidnapped me. They kidnapped me while I was sleeping in my
00:00:26house. May God give wisdom to all those
00:00:30who do not understand their own interest in the country's interest.
00:00:33Who doesn't
00:00:38know that the Election Commission is dishonest? Who doesn't know that the Election Commission
00:00:42lies?
00:00:44In the country, an atmosphere of anarchy was being created
00:00:48and the idea of giving strength to it
00:00:51was being done.
00:00:56The Government of India is fighting a war with the citizens
00:01:00of the whole country.
00:01:00साथ
00:01:07Whether it is the Aam Aadmi Party or the Congress Party, the god-like
00:01:11voters of this country have rejected both.
00:01:31Let's start the debate, but let's put the questions in front of you one by one.
00:01:34Controversy over SIR, for how long will this political chaos continue?
00:01:38Let's try to find answers to this question. CEC
00:01:41Gyanesh's opposition, is it a coincidence or is it
00:01:45an experiment by the opposition? Team CJP's strong release,
00:01:49is there a new battle ahead? Battle with Gyanesh,
00:01:52is it a show of strength by the opposition till resignation?
00:01:56This is a big question. We will try to find answers to these questions
00:02:00and let's introduce the guests who are joining
00:02:04us in this debate one by one. From BJP, BJP's national co-convenor
00:02:07and in-charge of media cell, Pradeep Bhandari is joining us.
00:02:11Pooja Tripathi from Congress will
00:02:14join us. Anurag Bhadauria from Samajwadi Party is not with us
00:02:17right now but he will join us shortly. Besides that,
00:02:20see, the senior has joined.
00:02:24Anurag has joined us as a senior journalist and political analyst.
00:02:33Tripathi of Congress. The big question is that
00:02:36the controversy over SIR has been taken from court
00:02:40to the streets, to the parliament. Congress
00:02:42and metro stations? If the public is not with the has protested everywhere. Congress leaders, as lawyers, have also
00:02:46reached the court. How long will this
00:02:49chaos continue on the streets?
00:02:51चलेगा,
00:02:53See, Anurag ji, hello everyone. This chaos would not have been so big
00:02:57if Gyanesh Kumar ji had held a press conference
00:03:01and met the opposition delegation. I say "perhaps" because
00:03:05the kind of oppression, the kind of actions
00:03:08that the Delhi Police took yesterday
00:03:11during the protest, and the kind of pictures that
00:03:15came out, absolutely brutal, terrifying, and absolutely
00:03:19disgusting pictures, I would say. Delhi Police
00:03:22is... I will not maintain decency and decorum of language here. I'm really
00:03:26sorry. Delhi Police is groping a female protester. According to the Justice
00:03:30Verma Committee's recommendations, if you raise your hands
00:03:34and touch private parts, it is rape.
00:03:37That woman, along with the Delhi
00:03:40Police, supported by a whole mob of goons, attacked female protesters,
00:03:43trampling them, scratching them, beating them, and
00:03:47even today, these scenes have been shown, whether in RPI Ashram, or Jantar Mantar,
00:03:51or CP, that these goons, these goons
00:03:55without uniforms, or under the instructions of those in uniforms,
00:03:58are beating all protesters. Journalists are being detained. What
00:04:04in Congress said that no, we are not with that professor, is happening in this country? If you want to write a new chapter of oppression
00:04:06in this country, if you suppress people's demands for justice,
00:04:10people's demands for rights, people's demands for electoral reforms
00:04:14with police boots and sticks and batons, then who are you afraid of?
00:04:18Then you are a very cowardly and very
00:04:21scared, timid government, because as we saw the oppression,
00:04:2550,000 police, 23,000 CRPF, internet shut
00:04:29down, raids happening, trains cancelled, metros cancelled, even
00:04:32after that, if 5,000 people are detained, and the Delhi Police, they are detaining
00:04:36anyone they pick up. And who has given you
00:04:40the right to empower these goons without uniforms
00:04:44to raise their hands on female protesters, on children, on journalists?
00:04:47What is happening? Now, here we are talking about the future
00:04:51of the country, the people of the country. I, the god-like voter, I
00:04:55will use Vasuri Swaraj's word, god-like voter, is being beaten
00:04:58with lathis, being kicked, being abused
00:05:02and being insulted. And who are you fighting with? You are fighting
00:05:05with the people of the country, and you are saying that it is the crowd
00:05:09of Congress and CJP, or is it the crowd coming out spontaneously?
00:05:42Pooja has left questions for you. Will you be able
00:05:46to answer them
00:05:47one by one?
00:05:52See, Vikas ji, I will answer your questions, because
00:05:55the dacoits of democracy,
00:05:58the Congress and Aam Aadmi Party, are the dacoits
00:06:02of democracy. Because I will tell you one by one how
00:06:05they are the dacoits of democracy. The Supreme Court cancelled
00:06:09the elections of 50 wards in Punjab, saying
00:06:13that there was vote rigging there, and the Congress party,
00:06:16these dacoits of democracy, are silent. Point number one. Surely, this
00:06:20Congress party is a dacoit of democracy and an opponent of the constitution,
00:06:23because today these Congressmen were walking with the Congress
00:06:27flag in one hand and saffron in the other, and yesterday they tried
00:06:30to create hooliganism in the protest and tried to beat women.
00:06:34So the Congressmen became so agitated that yesterday the Congressmen
00:06:37wearing saffron tried to beat innocents
00:06:41in the entire protest and tried to hatch a conspiracy. The people of this country
00:06:45have stood up against these goons. The people of the Traders
00:06:48Association came forward. They said, who are these
00:06:52petty people who are protesting in Delhi and trying
00:06:56to close all traders and shops in the name of protest?
00:06:59The people of Delhi have stood up against their leadership. And you know
00:07:03when their B team, Dipke, Ranka, and Saurabh Das, whose
00:07:07faces, their expressions, were very enthusiastic at first,
00:07:10but today their expressions showed nervousness and sweat when they
00:07:14went by plane, what did the people of the country say? Shame on
00:07:18you. This is their situation. Now I want to tell you one more thing. Perhaps
00:07:21they have not read the Supreme Court's order, so I will read the Supreme Court's order
00:07:25to you. In the Supreme Court's order, in paragraph number 16, point number B,
00:07:29it is written, "The free movement of people in the city shall be subjected
00:07:33to law and order situation." This means
00:07:36it is clear that under 19B, the police,
00:07:39from these goons, these arrogant, anti-democratic
00:07:42regimes who wanted to change the regime,
00:07:45took these restrictions. Today, the Supreme Court has welcomed it. So I
00:07:49want to tell the Congress party, the Congress should thank us, because
00:07:53Rahul Gandhi did not go to participate in this protest and went to
00:07:57Chennai. Congress leaders were messaging us, saying, "Stop them, stop them."
00:08:01They were trying to snatch the limelight from us. So Pooja ji doesn't know, but
00:08:05today, if anyone is happiest, it's
00:09:42to take Modi's resignation. See, I think the opposition has the right to protest
00:09:46in a democracy. No one can take that right away. But
00:09:50when Rahul Gandhi meets the President, submits a memorandum, and says
00:09:53that the President listened to our concerns carefully, Rahul Gandhi
00:09:57goes to the Supreme Court regarding the entire matter, and the matter is already ongoing in the Supreme Court.
00:10:01Rahul Gandhi's supported lawyers of Congress took the matter to the Supreme Court,
00:10:04and the Supreme Court has issued notices to the Chief
00:10:08Election Commissioner, both Election Commissioners, and the DGIT
00:10:11and they have to submit their response to the Supreme Court by Monday.
00:10:15Rahul Gandhi and Mallikarjun Kharge have talked
00:10:19about meeting the Chief Justice of the country,
00:10:22and their meeting is going to happen this evening. So when the matter is in
00:10:26the Supreme Court, Rahul Gandhi has already submitted a memorandum to the President,
00:10:30then I think Rahul Gandhi and the opposition should have at least waited for the Supreme Court's observation,
00:10:34for the Supreme Court's instructions, for the Supreme Court's judgment.
00:10:37In a democracy, the opposition has the right to protest, but there should also be responsibility
00:10:41on an institution in a democracy. The matter is in the Supreme
00:10:45Court. You don't trust the government, you don't trust
00:10:48the Election Commission, we understand, no problem, but the Supreme Court will decide
00:10:52whether the Election Commission's action regarding SIR
00:10:56is correct or not. So I think you should trust
00:11:00the Supreme Court, and if you feel that even after the Supreme Court's
00:11:04decision, you are not satisfied with the Supreme Court's decision,
00:11:07then you have the option of going to the people's court. After that, you can go to the people's
00:11:11court. It cannot be that the matter is going on in the Supreme Court,
00:11:15the Supreme Court is hearing it, and you go to the streets regarding
00:11:19that matter, you also go to the President regarding that matter, and then in this
00:11:23way, I think the situation
00:11:25that arises in a democracy is not good. If you want to protest,
00:11:29protest. And if you wanted to meet the Election Commission, did Rahul Gandhi
00:11:32follow the process he followed to meet the President? He wrote a letter
00:11:36to the President. The President said that at 8 PM, you come
00:11:40with 10 MPs. You go to meet the President at 8 PM with 10 MPs.
00:11:44Here, did Rahul Gandhi and the opposition write a letter to the Chief Election
00:11:47Commissioner saying that they want to meet him? If Rahul Gandhi and the opposition
00:11:51have written a letter, then that letter should be made public, stating
00:11:55when they sought time to meet the Chief Election Commissioner and the Chief Election Commissioner
00:11:58refused to give time. You write a letter, the Chief Election Commissioner
00:12:02tells you how many people, at what time you should come to meet.
00:12:06You go, the Chief Election Commissioner listens to you. So yesterday, you sought
00:12:09time from the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of the country,
00:12:13he has called you to meet tomorrow. Did you plan to go to the Chief Justice
00:12:17of the country with the same mob? No, right? There you sought
00:12:21time, then the Chief Election
00:12:24See. Let's hear from the spokesperson of the Samajwadi Party, let's get
00:12:28answers to those questions from him. Anurag Bhadauria, is this why Akhilesh
00:12:31Yadav has maintained his distance? He knows that, all in all, Rahul
00:12:34Gandhi, Congress wants to overthrow
00:12:38the government, and he is not with
00:12:41them. See, we in the India alliance are absolutely united. The India
00:12:44alliance is absolutely strong, because we are talking
00:12:48about the nation, we are talking about saving the country, we are talking
00:12:52about saving democracy in the country, about saving the constitution.
00:12:55If you feel so strongly
00:12:59that the public is with you, then why are you putting up
00:13:02so many barricades, and why are you stopping trains
00:13:07opposition, then why are you so scared? Last time you people were saying
00:13:11when this CJP protest was happening that what was intelligence doing?
00:13:15Why did you allow the protesters to go to the parliament? Why didn't
00:13:18you stop them earlier? This time when the government stopped them,
00:13:22you are saying, "Look, they have stopped everything." No, no, stopping
00:13:26is one thing, and not allowing them to come is another thing. We
00:13:30said that you should have sanitized it, that if there were
00:13:33anarchic elements, if you say anarchic elements came, you should have caught
00:13:36them. But here you didn't let any activist,
00:13:40who wanted to raise their voice against the government, come. That's the problem.
00:13:44You stopped everyone, which means your intelligence
00:13:48department had information that the entire country is awake
00:13:51against the government, that's why out of fear
00:13:55you jammed all the trains and metros. One thing.
00:13:59Secondly, now see, when you feel that you have to
00:14:02be dictatorial, then issue an order, say no demonstrations are allowed,
00:14:06and these people cannot demonstrate anywhere, the opposition is not
00:14:10demonstrating anywhere, no one is there, just ban everything, what's the problem? When
00:14:14you don't want to give permission, when the opposition asks for permission,
00:14:17you don't want to give permission, so issue a notification
00:14:21that no demonstrations can happen in this country, no one can raise their voice
00:14:25against the government. Delhi Police gave permission last time,
00:14:29right? They gave permission to sit at Jantar Mantar. This time they
00:14:33felt, their intelligence said that these people are not good, they want to overthrow the government,
00:14:37we will not give permission. Their intelligence said that if the government
00:14:40gives permission, the government will fall because the entire public
00:14:43is against you. If you give permission, the movement will be big,
00:14:47the public will be on the roads, you will have to leave the government under pressure,
00:14:51that's why they did this. And the kind of misbehavior you did with the protesters,
00:14:54you must have seen the videos. If those videos are considered, the way
00:14:58you chased them away, you are chasing them away like this. These are Indians, brother,
00:15:02these are our own people, our own blood, our own DNA. You
00:15:05are misbehaving with your own people. They are not Pakistanis or Bangladeshis. The way
00:15:09you are chasing them with sticks and batons, don't you learn to respect your own people?
00:15:13These very people voted for you, these were your voters.
00:15:16Today they are against you, against your policies. These were the voters
00:15:20who came to protest, they were your voters. Today they are standing against you, that's why you know
00:15:24that your voter has turned against you, you have formed governments by stealing
00:15:27votes, which you clearly saw in West Bengal, that there
00:15:31and I am saying this, Vikas ji, the Supreme Court
00:15:35of this country, the Supreme Court's judges, you will listen to them,
00:15:38right? What did they do? What did they say? They said that they are dividing
00:15:42the citizens of this country into two parts, one who has the right to vote,
00:15:46one who does not have the right to vote. This is like taking the soul out of the body.
00:15:50This is a threat to the democracy and rule of law of this country.
00:15:54The judges of the Supreme Court are saying this, then the BJP should understand,
00:15:58right? Respect the honorable court of the Supreme Court, what are the judges saying
00:16:01no, even the former judges here are saying the same thing. What did they say? Nareman ji here said
00:16:05that 90 lakh votes in West Bengal were
00:16:38to dismiss him.
00:16:41So what is the intention of the opposition? The Bharatiya Janata Party
00:16:44has done this work for dozens of years. They used to sit
00:16:48at the Election Commission all day. Arun Jaitley also used to sit
00:16:51there, he even used to protest. I want to ask two fundamental questions,
00:16:55Vikas, but they didn't throw stones. They didn't assault the police.
00:16:59The protests that were within the limits of the law
00:17:02were done. Absolutely.
00:17:05Absolutely, that should happen. See, the মূল
00:17:09core issue is that who exposed the matter
00:17:13of vote rigging? It was done by
00:17:16the Election Commissioners, two Election
00:17:19Commissioners from within the Election Commission. Then this
00:17:22question, which was published in two pages of the newspaper, spread
00:17:26across the whole country. So we should go to the root, right? Where
00:17:30did the anarchy originate from, sir? And
00:17:34in 80 years, has this ever happened in this country
00:17:38that the people of the country came to the streets for democracy
00:17:41and votes? There might have been scams and frauds before, I don't
00:17:45deny that, they did happen, but if the situation
00:17:48is like this, then we should attack the root,
00:17:57saying that they didn't ask for time from the Election Commission, from the Chief Election
00:18:00Commissioner. Oh, he is the one in the crosshairs, so it was good that they didn't ask him.
00:18:04They asked for time from Gyanesh ji's boss,
00:18:08and he called them and met them. And in their claims, they say
00:18:11that they have been asked for evidence of vote rigging from him. So what
00:18:15problem do you people have? Now he is also going to the Supreme
00:18:19Court, so it should
00:18:20happen.
00:18:23Satish ji, did Rahul ji give the evidence of vote rigging that the President
00:18:27asked for, according to you? Did he give the evidence of vote rigging to the
00:18:30President? He didn't give it. He will give it. He has announced
00:18:34that he will give it in the Supreme Court. And why hasn't he given it yet?
00:18:38Now the President will see. Now tell me, the election, now
00:18:42news has started coming from the Rashtrapati Bhavan too, Vikas ji. Oh,
00:18:45the official spokesperson comes and says
00:18:49something. Actually, I tell you the truth,
00:18:58place left to hide.
00:19:02There is no place to hide.
00:19:04Keep wandering, nothing will come of it now.
00:19:37When the workers of GPKE, Ranka and the cockroaches
00:19:40were detained, tell me the names of 100 people
00:19:44who stood in front of them. Tell me the names of 100 people.
00:19:47Not even 100 people stood in front of them. They said
00:19:51that 13 crore people's names were cut from the voter
00:19:54list. Even a lakh people did not stand, because these fake people know
00:19:58that the public is not accepting their false narrative, that's why the Nawgaon
00:20:50from his chats, it has come out that these people are taking
00:20:53inspiration from Ajmal Kasab, the people who are talking about
00:20:57taking inspiration from Ajmal Kasab in their entire protest,
00:21:01if that is not regime change, then what is it, Anurag Bhadoria? And if it is, then tell
00:21:04me, Anurag Bhadoria, why didn't you give a written affidavit? If Anurag Bhadoria
00:21:08had so much faith in this protest, then Anurag Bhadoria should give a written affidavit
00:21:12that he takes responsibility for any peace. If there is unrest,
00:21:16then arrest Anurag Bhadoria. We have no problem with that.
00:21:20You have democratic rights. You could have
00:21:24done it on the side too.
00:21:26थे
00:21:31That's why the public is calling you, Bhadoria
00:21:34sir, shame on the election.
00:21:37What
00:21:40is it called, why are you a spokesperson? We are not even asking you questions.
00:21:43Tell Akhilesh ji to resign.
00:21:46जीगल है
00:21:58Let's go to Pooja, and let's talk about the questions raised by Pradeep
00:22:07workers carrying Congress flags and wearing saffron headbands
00:22:11are coming out in a line. Now
00:22:13Pradeep Bhandari is saying that this is a conspiracy
00:22:17to defame saffron and defame Hindus.
00:22:20Anurag ji, this rule book, of theirs, to defame others,
00:22:33Hindu Vahini, something something party leaders, are saying that
00:22:37these girls are available for ₹300, we sleep with them all night and the next day they
00:22:41come to protest. Do you support them? Because the way
00:22:44you are defending
00:22:46them, defending them.
00:24:20Why is there such a big silence in Congress? Why are your top leaders
00:24:23not commenting on this? Girls, children
00:24:27have made such serious allegations regarding giving marks.
00:24:31And a Congress MP is a professor, there is silence in the entire Congress.
00:24:34Is this double standard supporting them?
00:24:38Is Congress asking for votes with them, like Prime Minister
00:24:41Modi?
00:24:44Acceptance.
00:24:46It's a Sanskrit saying, if you are silent, then you are supporting.
00:24:50Tell me one thing, has anyone
00:24:54he is being investigated, and if he is guilty, then whatever
00:24:57the fault is
00:25:00not even a statement came from any top leader regarding women's respect.
00:25:03Aren't these the double standards of Congress's top leaders?
00:25:07I would say that no one in Congress
00:25:10supported him. But does Pradeep Bhandari support that Delhi Police
00:25:14constable or whoever that man was who was groping
00:25:17the girl? Does Pradeep Bhandari support him?
00:26:38K Singh, on the JNU matter, the silence of political parties,
00:26:42the silence of Congress, a Congress MP has been found guilty,
00:26:46he has been dismissed from JNU. Do you think there are double
00:26:49standards in Congress?
00:26:52Absolutely, Congress should immediately expel him, immediately dismiss him.
00:26:55Absolutely dismiss him. And they should give their opinion on this.
00:26:59But the accusation of vote rigging, we don't stop
00:27:03at that. Here, he has been found guilty
00:27:06of exploiting 11 girls. Here, people have been found guilty
00:27:10of cutting 13 crore names. And who said this?
00:27:13Who said this? We are saying that Gyanesh Kumar ji,
00:27:17the entire election commission,
00:27:21this is what the election said, how will Pradeep
00:27:24Bhandari defend that? And if he does, then his
00:27:28affiliated organization has become
00:27:30an election today.
00:28:33Did the clarification that came out make everything clear,
00:28:36like milk and water?
00:28:40No, Vikas Bhai, it seems that the Election Commission has
00:28:43put forward its side, but the main matter is still in the Supreme Court.
00:28:46What response do they file in the Supreme Court, and how does the Supreme Court
00:28:50take that response? I think we will have to see that the Supreme Court is thoroughly
00:28:54investigating this matter. The Supreme Court has taken all the questions, and the Supreme Court
00:28:58has said that if we feel that something wrong has happened regarding SIR, then we will stop
00:29:02the entire process. So in the Supreme Court, what response do the Election Commission, the Chief Election
00:29:05Commissioner, both Election Commissioners, and IT DG file? The Supreme Court
00:29:09takes its observation and makes a decision. This will be something to watch. And I think,
00:29:13when this movement is going on,
00:29:17they have also gone to the Supreme Court. Shouldn't they have waited for the court's decision?
00:29:21I think they shouldn't have gone to the Supreme Court.
00:29:25When two
00:29:28members of the Election Commission raised questions, then
00:29:32all three of them, including the Election Commission, should have come forward and made a press
00:29:36statement, explained everything. They should have held a press conference,
00:29:39presented it to the public, and everything would have been clear. There would have been no need
00:29:43to go to the honorable Supreme Court.
00:29:45This government
00:29:48has news from you that there was no agreement
00:29:52regarding your decisions. Pradeep
00:29:55Bhandari, all three of them, all three Election Commissioners, should have come
00:29:59and assured the people of the country, should have told them.