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00:00:00to remain on the bright side and not succumb to false
00:00:03messages. Today, the news trending globally is that
00:00:07Russia is an aggressor and is preparing a nuclear strike against
00:00:10the West. As they say, we've never heard such a thing before. Again,
00:00:14it's true, the aggressor is blackmailing the peace-loving NATO
00:00:18bloc with nuclear weapons. We'll figure this out now.
00:00:19разбираться.
00:00:37Western society is being prepared for nuclear war, they talk about it more and more,
00:00:40so that citizens get used to it, and even nice and
00:00:44kind American citizens begin to believe that the Russians are preparing
00:00:48to push the button. A new wave of hysteria began
00:00:51after Putin's statement that tactical nuclear weapons would be deployed
00:00:55in Belarus at the request of its authorities. Well, let's note,
00:00:59only deployed.
00:01:30Out of love for peace, out of this same love, they persuaded Ukrainians to die until
00:01:33the last man, to kill Russians, such a territory is there,
00:01:36why are there so many people on it? Well, they moved their arsenals to our
00:01:40borders for peace and good, it's obvious, right?
00:01:44So we, in response, also moved some, just in case this good turns out to be
00:01:47with fists, we need something to respond with, why do Americans
00:01:50do this for their allies, deploying it in their territory,
00:01:54and by the way, training their crews, their
00:01:57pilots to use it if necessary.
00:02:30dangerous talks, it causes
00:02:33concern,
00:02:35concern, it causes concern. Does he even
00:02:39understand what he's talking about? Well, it's clear, the old man is old, but he has completely
00:02:42forgotten everything. What causes concern is that you have troops all over the world,
00:02:46what causes concern is that you regularly unleash wars like maniacs all
00:02:50over the planet, what causes concern is that without sanctions,
00:02:53you bomb, for example, the European city of Belgrade, you overthrow
00:02:57and kill elected presidents who interfere with your business,
00:03:00declaring them dictators. This is what causes concern, that you act like
00:03:04an overgrown bully in the yard, and the younger ones obey him
00:03:07because he will hit them. But the younger ones will eventually grow up,
00:03:10they will get stronger. Well, here someone has grown up
00:03:14a little, or rather, has regained part of their former growth. Well,
00:03:17they ask the bully, haven't you gotten too brazen swinging your fists? We can
00:03:21respond now too. He again explains to the neighbors in the
00:03:24yard, "This is different, we condemn this
00:03:28statement."
00:05:00What happens when incompetent people
00:05:02run the government? All I can tell you
00:05:06right now is, get on your knees and pray,
00:05:10and at the same time, persistently shortens the flight time of nuclear missiles to Russian
00:05:14cities. This already happened during the Cuban Missile Crisis. The Americans placed
00:05:18missiles near our borders in Turkey, and we, in response, near their borders in
00:05:21Cuba. The world was already then on the brink of nuclear war, but Kennedy and
00:05:24Khrushchev managed to agree. Both were in World War II
00:05:28and remembered that war is, of course, sheer hell. The Americans
00:05:31then removed missiles from Turkey, and we from Cuba. Then, in the seventies,
00:05:35a period of détente actually began. Now, in the Western press,
00:05:39a new generation of experts refutes the previous one. There
00:05:43will be no nuclear winter, well, all humanity will not perish, well,
00:05:46just a few million, such are these sweet
00:05:49democratic humanists. However, unexpectedly, common sense
00:05:53comes to them. British analyst R. Giles writes in a column for
00:05:56CNN that Putin skillfully delivered a preemptive
00:06:00informational strike, hitting NATO with nuclear weapons without
00:06:04using them. The way Putin's words about deploying nuclear
00:06:07weapons in Belarus were interpreted in
00:06:10the West may come as a surprise to Moscow, but there is no
00:06:14doubt that it will be a very pleasant surprise, because
00:06:18Russia has already used nuclear
00:06:20weapons; it has very successfully used them by not
00:06:24firing, speaking of potential nuclear
00:06:27strikes, to very effectively deter the West
00:06:30from fully supporting Ukraine. Well, that means they
00:06:33understood everything, we just needed to show them the pistol, because bullies
00:06:36don't want to understand words. Everything must inevitably return,
00:06:40we hope, to détente, although... some in
00:06:43Europe, it seems, still don't understand. Poland
00:06:47happily declares that it is ready to host US nuclear arsenals, that
00:06:51is, to voluntarily make itself a target for the
00:06:54first retaliatory missiles to hit. Poland is the
00:06:57closest, after all. Well, will the informational nuclear
00:07:01war turn into a real one? We will discuss this with Vladimir Kobyakov.
00:07:04Vladimir, the risks that everything will go wrong, these risks are always
00:07:08greater when there are fewer transparent and generally accepted control
00:07:11mechanisms. One thing is clear, that the main players want some kind of
00:07:15new security architecture. So let's see if it is possible
00:07:18now, at least in the nuclear sphere, to have larger forms
00:07:22of security architecture. So, what did the parties
00:07:25want recently when extending the Strategic Offensive
00:07:28Arms Reduction Treaty? How did they see the outlines with the main players?
00:07:32The States, even under Trump, as a condition for extending the START treaty,
00:07:35proposed that Moscow bring China into the agreement, saying
00:07:38"you negotiate with Beijing." Moscow then made it clear that it would deal with this.
00:07:42But if China was needed, then Washington, in Russia's opinion, should bring
00:07:46in two other nuclear powers on its side: France
00:07:49and Great Britain. But the Trump administration replied, "Oh no, that's a complex
00:07:53arrangement, and France and Great Britain are not building up their nuclear
00:07:56arsenal. China is a special case." Beijing then
00:08:00responded several times that such an agreement was not in their interest,
00:08:03because Russia and the USA have an incomparable number of warheads
00:08:06compared to China. From a geopolitical point of view, there was also such
00:08:10a version that it was simply beneficial for Beijing for the two largest nuclear
00:08:13players to constrain each other. Now, in the current crisis,
00:08:17some faces have changed, but the Biden administration is again
00:08:21talking about China. The Kremlin believes that the case with Ukraine
00:08:24confirmed that in the current conditions, all Western
00:08:27partners, including the United States,
00:08:31France, and Great Britain, should be connected to a large nuclear agreement. Moreover, if
00:08:34China agrees to join the general nuclear arms control
00:08:38treaty, Beijing will certainly point out that its main continental
00:08:41competitor should also be included in it.
00:09:12at least with seven participants, this, by the way, could have become the prototype
00:09:16of such a stable, polycentric world, or is this
00:09:19too cumbersome, will the whole structure not
00:09:22withstand it? Well, this is all, Volodya, of course,
00:09:25such pragmatic proposals, but in
00:09:28the current conditions, it all increasingly resembles idealistic dreams
00:09:32that everyone will agree with each other,
00:09:35everyone will somehow turn on their reason, but for now, judging by
00:09:39how events are developing, reason is still scarce. Yes, at the moment,
00:09:43this construct indeed looks very cumbersome and
00:09:46unviable. But we were discussing strategic offensive
00:09:50weapons, the treaty on strategic weapons, that is, nuclear warheads and
00:09:54long-range delivery systems. And there's also tactical
00:09:57nuclear weapons. Vladimir, do everyone understand the
00:10:00difference? Well, you and I understand it, but
00:10:04not everyone understands it, let's explain. So the large START
00:10:08treaty between the US and Russia does not affect tactical weapons. These are
00:10:11typically aerial bombs and carriers like fighters for short
00:10:15distances. And this issue is becoming relevant again. Well,
00:10:19look, by the mid-eighties, Europe was divided into
00:10:22NATO, blue, and the Warsaw Pact,
00:10:25red. In addition to European NATO countries with their own nuclear weapons, i.e.,
00:10:29France and Great Britain, hypothetically foreign American
00:10:32nuclear weapons were deployed in West Germany, Belgium, Holland, Italy, Germany,
00:10:36Turkey, and at an American base in Britain. The nuclear warheads
00:10:39of the Soviet Union were located at approximately ten bases
00:10:42in East Germany, Hungary, Poland, Czechoslovakia. There was a ready base for delivery, but without
00:10:46deployment in Bulgaria. By 1991, the collapse of the socialist bloc,
00:10:50the Warsaw Pact organization, and the Soviet Union and Eastern European
00:10:53countries meant Soviet nuclear weapons had already been withdrawn. In the nineties,
00:10:57Russia takes all nuclear weapons from both Belarus and Ukraine.
00:11:00By the late nineties, the first Eastern European wave of NATO
00:11:04expansion begins, but the Americans promise to remove their nuclear warheads from
00:11:07the Greek base. Then another wave of NATO expansion, and the Americans
00:11:11promise to remove their nuclear warheads from
00:11:13Britain. As a result, until the current crisis, American nuclear
00:11:17aerial bombs remained on the territory of five European countries, and Russia
00:11:21annually reminded that in this way the states are not complying.
00:12:55well, 45-50 years, this is indeed
00:12:58so, intuition trained by your
00:13:02experience, can you predict if something
00:13:06so terrible will happen or not at all? I wanted
00:13:09to add that, as they say, words are material. We see the rhetoric in
00:13:12recent times, it's shifting to the idea that nothing terrible is
00:13:16happening. If before it was such a sacred topic that
00:13:19nuclear war is something terrible, now we see that it's talked about
00:13:23as quite possible.
00:15:37a small excerpt of your statements from the late nineties, early two-thousands,
00:15:41let's listen to them. Any military person wants to have a reserve, and I
00:15:44completely understand and support that. The other thing is that this reserve can
00:15:47break the neck of any state. So we won't be able
00:15:50to just sit back, as we've been sitting for a long time. Either
00:15:54we'll be slowly pulled towards China, India,
00:15:58Iran, or we'll try to join in the
00:16:01opposite direction, understanding that we don't need to give up our so-called core
00:16:05interests. NATO with its expansion.
00:16:53Iran and India, but you said that NATO was weakening, has it
00:16:57weakened? Why did we end up at this
00:17:00point after all these NATO
00:17:04for many years, it was weakening, in principle, it's not very effective.
00:17:21The United States of America will never, under
00:17:25any circumstances, practically
00:17:28come to the aid of its
00:17:31allies if it would threaten a
00:17:34retaliatory nuclear strike on the territory of the United. All
00:17:38nuclear deterrence is such a deep
00:17:42theology, meaning American nuclear borders don't work. The problem
00:17:45is that there were no
00:17:48political reasons to wage war in Europe,
00:17:51these political reasons have now appeared, and
00:17:55thanks to a deep crisis in
00:17:58the West, which they cannot solve, well,
00:18:01a multi-layered crisis, I won't blame them now
00:18:04for their problems, but from
00:18:08this crisis they are trying to get out, including
00:18:12by fomenting hostility.
00:18:15What has happened is what is happening, a
00:18:18political
00:18:20reason has emerged for
00:18:23unleashing a great war. Everything has been heading towards
00:18:27this for a very long time. You didn't show my
00:18:30speeches from twenty-five years ago, when I
00:18:33warned us that if we allowed further expansion
00:18:37of...
00:19:07And I allow, I imagine that it
00:19:10is possible, uh-uh, that is, to defeat the enemy by this
00:19:14method, of course, not in Ukraine,
00:19:18uh, but
00:19:21still, it will open the road to hell,
00:19:23because until now
00:19:26we
00:19:29understood that nuclear weapons are hell, and
00:19:31the use of nuclear weapons makes
00:19:35it possible... this is an awfully difficult
00:19:39problem for all people, even for me,
00:19:43a relatively irresponsible person. When I think,
00:19:46I say, I advise now, to advise
00:19:50to use nuclear weapons, even
00:19:52if it may rationally seem
00:19:55right, morally it seems
00:19:58almost unacceptable, but nevertheless,
00:20:02if one has to think that if the situation...
00:20:05том, что если ситуация...
00:20:43India and China, all the rest have already gained
00:20:47freedom for their development. If
00:21:25everything is collapsing now, the old world order is collapsing,
00:21:28the world system is collapsing, are we heading towards some
00:21:32polycentric polycentric system, yes, hypothetically
00:21:36there will be several centers, combinations of centers, possibly, that
00:21:39unite depending on their tactical tasks,
00:21:43when there are centers, there are peripheries, there are foci
00:21:46of chaos. Is a stable polycentric system possible, or not?
00:21:52No, a completely stable one is impossible,
00:21:55we have
00:21:57lived through a unique period
00:22:01of human history, when the system was
00:22:05relatively stable. It cannot be completely stable,
00:22:08but it can be stabilized
00:22:11in 15-20 years, I think, based on
00:22:15a balance between a number of
00:22:19centers of the world. There will be many
00:22:23of these centers, and most of them are near
00:22:26us, as a result of what
00:22:29Americans will forget about their, well,
00:22:33partially forget, of course, they can't forget for very long,
00:22:37for decades, they won't be able to forget about their short
00:22:40period of global dominance, seventy years, beginning in
00:22:44the Western world, and then throughout the world
00:22:48from the nineties to the middle.
00:23:20country, but in 20 years we also need
00:23:23a system of benevolent
00:23:26balancers. This is what it is heading towards, and I actually
00:23:29really like the situation we are heading towards.
00:23:32The problem is how to live through these 20 years. Do you realize that in
00:23:3620 years we will have an absolutely
00:23:39multicultural world for real? So 20 years
00:23:41of turbulence, and then some happiness will come,
00:25:31has begun. You felt that you were communicating with an ordinary living
00:25:34person, and that scared you, right? Yes, it was scary. One person
00:25:38will be replaced by another person who has mastered artificial intelligence
00:25:41tools. Are we planning to live on this
00:25:51provocative, only debatable, and now there's this
00:25:54artificial intelligence, neural networks, how to control all of this, and it's
00:25:58a competition, it's not a given that we'll
00:26:10program, I am Vladimir Chernyshov. He who owns information, owns
00:26:14the world. And the world, as you know, is owned by fakes and
00:26:17manipulations. With the development of technology, for creators of fakes,
00:26:21it's a field day. But with the appearance of artificial
00:26:24intelligence, distinguishing reality from illusion is already practically
00:26:27impossible. It seems artificial intelligence is elevating information
00:26:31wars to a completely different level. In our program,
00:26:35we will separate facts from fakes, so that we can stay on the bright side and not
00:26:39succumb to false messages, reflecting hostile
00:26:43informational trash with our informational shield.
00:27:02naive people, they thought, freedom of information is coming, everyone
00:27:06now has access to it, news without censorship, in your pocket on your
00:27:09smartphone screen, you are your own chief editor now.
00:27:13But it turns out, the stronger the information wave, the
00:27:16wider the sea of information spreads, the easier it is to
00:27:20drown in it, to hide the truth in the foam of lies. So what? Just as we
00:27:24barely learned to calculate fakes and hoaxes, a new
00:27:27generation of neural networks is ready to confuse all our cards
00:27:30of reality. Neural networks... actively generate images that
00:27:34users can take at face value. Scandals now
00:27:38pour out like from a horn of plenty. Well, remember the footage
00:27:41of Donald Trump's arrest, or the photo of the Pope
00:27:44in a down jacket, created by a computer brain. Well,
00:27:48admit it, you can't tell the difference from real ones. Even
00:27:51the human rights organization Amnesty International
00:27:53got into a scandal. An article about violations in Colombia was
00:27:57promoted on social media with the help of photos created
00:28:00by artificial intelligence. Well, it seems so. And the resonance was enormous, and trust in
00:28:04the organization is now much less. What is most interesting and frightening is that
00:28:08the neural network is self-learning, it absorbs all
00:28:11information, analyzes it, well, just like a student in class, and as a result,
00:28:15it instantly becomes smarter than all students and professors.
00:28:18Neural networks are already actively writing reports and term papers for students,
00:28:21and teachers don't even suspect it, because the text created
00:28:25by artificial intelligence is not just a set of words and terms, but a quite
00:28:28meaningful, human-like one. Now
00:28:31literary ones... turned out to be out of work. We, for fun, made
00:28:35a request to one of these neural networks, asking it to write
00:28:38poems on the topic of the "InfoShield" program. This is what the
00:28:41computer brain gave us:
00:28:44"I am InfoShield, I don't need rest, I don't need a break,
00:28:48I live online and control everything, so I can
00:28:51know everything in the world. I catch viruses, I protect
00:28:54banks, I help people with a couple of glitches, my
00:28:58radiance is like gold, so it's better
00:29:01never to mess with me."
00:29:04Well, yes, it's not Pushkin yet, of course, but it's still early. This aspiring
00:29:07poet will soon learn the technique of versification, and he will be able
00:29:11to improve the Onegin stanza, it's a matter of technique.
00:29:14Moreover, we can create a new reality that will become even more real for
00:29:18us. Neural networks can amplify the effect of propaganda pressure on
00:29:21the audience, smarter and more diverse than any cunning PR specialist.
00:29:24Here's a series of news items, after which, well, you might as well send a Terminator to the past,
00:29:28the machine uprising has begun. In Australia, a neural network accused
00:29:32the mayor of the city of corruption, and he is now suing
00:29:36the neural network, well, good luck to him. In Colombia,
00:29:39a judge created a precedent, completely entrusting the Chat
00:29:42GPT bot to hand down real
00:29:45sentences, although the case concerned the payment of insurance compensation,
00:29:49not a criminal case. The very fact
00:29:53is alarming and frightening. If justice is to be administered by
00:29:56neural networks, won't all
00:30:04Artificial intelligence is more dangerous than, say, a defect in the design
00:30:07of an airplane or a car, because artificial intelligence has the potential,
00:30:11which some may consider insignificant, but it is not
00:30:15so, the potential to destroy human
00:30:18civilization.
00:30:20Well, I don't know if Elon Musk can be trusted. Soon after this interview, he
00:30:24registered his own company, which will deal with artificial
00:30:27intelligence. So Musk obviously understands how promising
00:30:31this direction is and... China, for example, is aiming
00:30:35to create the most advanced artificial intelligence in the world by
00:30:382030. The Chinese authorities will spend at least
00:30:42150 billion dollars on this. So Beijing
00:30:45understands how important these technologies are, and the future will largely
00:30:49depend on them. Washington, of course, understands
00:30:52this. It's no wonder the Biden administration recently convened the heads
00:30:55of the largest IT corporations, including Microsoft, Google, and Open
00:30:59AI, for a meeting dedicated to security issues
00:31:02in the field of artificial intelligence. Artificial
00:31:05intelligence can help address problems such as
00:31:08disease and climate change, but it also
00:31:12poses potential risks to our society, our economy,
00:31:16and our national security. They have surrounded us from all sides. The fact that we have had no privacy for a long time
00:31:22is already clear. All our purchases by card,
00:31:25movements on the internet, in reality, our photos, correspondence, all
00:31:29of this can be tracked, everything can be checked. Now there's also this
00:31:33artificial intelligence, neural networks. How to control all of this?
00:31:36Won't it turn out that artificial intelligence at some point will want
00:31:40to take over humans, and human manipulation
00:31:43of the masses will show?
00:33:37far off. All these speech and text technologies, first
00:33:41and foremost, of course, impress the masses. To write
00:33:45an essay, prepare a script for a morning show, well, look,
00:33:48the size of the natural language processing revenue market, well,
00:33:52the blue bars are estimates of the global market in past years
00:33:55and a forecast for the near future, the red bars are
00:33:59the Russian speech artificial intelligence market. After
00:34:02the appearance of the GPT bot, almost all global players
00:34:06announced an increase in investment in their developments. This is actually
00:34:09a Schrödinger's box, in which there is a cat and no one knows what
00:34:13state it is in until the box is opened, that is, what form and what
00:34:17quality the speech artificial intelligence services
00:34:20will be. What will all this lead to? One of the first investors,
00:34:23developer, developer of Bot GPT was, of course, Elon Musk, then
00:34:27Bill Gates invested, and he announced that he would invest multi-billion
00:34:30amounts in the bot. According to Bloomberg, Gates will
00:34:33invest 10 billion dollars. The management of Google has already announced
00:34:37its investments in the implementation of the smart bot Bard, as the competitor's
00:34:41bot virtually threatens, because the search engine could lose its leadership and stock.
00:35:15intelligence,
00:35:17say, we have an algorithm that can automatically detect, for example,
00:35:21breast cancer in a lymphatic node, and if this algorithm
00:35:24can conduct analyses and diagnose the disease faster
00:35:27than a human, and this is a very tedious task, it will save
00:35:31precious time.
00:35:34We may underestimate the use of artificial intelligence outside the healthcare
00:35:37system. In business, artificial intelligence
00:35:41is widespread everywhere and brings incredible benefits.
00:35:45supply chain optimization, financial analysis
00:35:48and planning. And what interests me in this whole process
00:35:52is the multi-stage cooperation between humans and
00:35:55artificial intelligence. Humans, using a fact-checking tool,
00:35:58do so to obtain data for another machine,
00:36:02which will become more useful, again, for
00:36:05humans. And I think that over time, if we get this
00:36:09process right, we will be able to solve impossible
00:36:12problems. Well, now for all these questions,
00:36:16I hope we will get answers from our guests, Vladimir, introduce our guests, we have
00:36:20on the line from St. Petersburg Tatyana Vladimirovna, Chernigovskaya, Director of the Institute for Cognitive
00:36:24Research, Doctor of Biological Sciences.
00:36:28And she is more responsible for natural intelligence, and in our studio we have Alexey
00:36:31Masyutin, he is the head of the Artificial Intelligence Center at the Higher
00:36:35School of Economics, naturally, more of a specialist in artificial intelligence.
00:36:39Immediately a question, please tell me, at this stage, is artificial
00:36:42intelligence good or evil? Is it time to establish
00:36:46control over it, or should it remain in free flow for now? Let's
00:36:49first give the question to St. Petersburg to answer.
00:36:53Tatyana Vladimirovna, what do you think, is control already needed?
00:36:58Yes, of course, it is needed, and quickly. More
00:37:01of that, I'm not sure that we are not
00:37:04late, because lately, I won't
00:37:07mention names, I've talked to
00:37:10developers and Western Californian
00:37:14ones as well, they are seriously
00:37:17afraid, if developers are afraid, then
00:37:20I think there is every reason for ordinary people
00:37:23to be afraid. And what is there to be afraid of? Can you articulate
00:37:27what kind of threat this is? It's very easy to articulate,
00:37:30namely, it's simpler than simple,
00:37:33namely, that we are losing control over what is happening. Moreover,
00:37:37many believe, and I also believe, that
00:37:41we have already lost control. Uh-huh, how about that, Alexey, what do you think? This
00:37:44control, right? That the genie is out of the bottle, uh-huh, and
00:37:48as you know, it doesn't plan to go back in. Alexey,
00:37:52what do you think, has the genie left the bottle or can it still be contained
00:37:56somehow?
00:38:57pretends to obtain the status
00:39:01of a person, and this
00:39:04is not fantasy, this is not Strugatsky, this is not Isaac
00:39:07Asimov, but this is a real reality, developers say
00:39:11this. As for the knife that
00:39:15can cut cheese, and can also stab a neighbor, this
00:39:18story is, of course, nice, but
00:39:21old, it has no bearing
00:39:24on the current situation, yes. Tatyana Vladimirovna, here...
00:40:29concerned, but look, I still can't
00:40:31agree with the thesis that we don't know how
00:40:35these networks learn, simply because we wouldn't have received
00:40:39analogues of the same GPT in our companies. In fact, the
00:40:42goals of almost all modern modifications of language models
00:40:46are very simple: to predict what the next word in the text will be,
00:40:49that's all. I'm oversimplifying a lot now, no, not just
00:40:53that, because language is not just
00:40:55a dictionary, ah... certainly, but if we take
00:40:59classical transformer models, their task is to restore words that are
00:41:03dependent on the surrounding context
00:41:06using so-called masking. When we actually feed
00:41:08huge amounts
00:41:12of data to models, after some time an emergence occurs, well, there's the concept of
00:41:16emergence, that is, certain properties that were not initially
00:41:20explicitly planned for the system's
00:41:23training. Well, for example,
00:41:26mGPT, an open tested it?
00:41:29multilingual GPT or
00:41:33chat GPT itself, they can engage in dialogue with you in several
00:41:36languages at once, because there is such data in the data arrays and... there
00:41:40are also parallel text corpora. Oh, again,
00:41:43to say that
00:41:46neural networks have their own goals,
00:41:49in fact, artificial intelligence is a kind of big
00:41:53computational black box that represents
00:41:56a giant formula with billions of different parameters, where
00:42:00it can divide, multiply, raise to a power, extract
00:42:04a root, or apply some function, but it receives
00:42:07numbers as input, and outputs...
00:42:24there is also an example, someone compared it to how major tobacco companies sometimes lobby
00:42:27for bills that create barriers for, say, increased
00:42:31excise taxes and so on. It seems strange, why would they go against their own interests? But
00:42:35in fact, they are thus creating barriers to entry for smaller
00:42:38companies and their potential competitors. Well, again,
00:42:42no matter how we feel, the company OpenAI, which developed GPT, claims to be an
00:42:46open company, but nevertheless, 10 billion dollars were invested in it by
00:42:49a company, specifically an American one, headquartered in America.
00:42:53And they are already not disclosing the latest
00:42:56version of the G54 model. Well, let's
00:42:59say that,
00:43:02well, probably it's profitable for them that no other
00:43:05competitors in China or Russia couldn't compete
00:43:09effectively enough. Let me tell my
00:43:11story
00:43:13about why big players criticize the development of artificial intelligence,
00:43:17yes. There are already proposals, we have already heard in Congress,
00:43:20let's create some international organization,
00:43:24like the IAEA in nuclear energy, yes, which will
00:43:27control the development of artificial intelligence. Then the
00:43:31question arises, if we create some world organization, under the control of artificial
00:43:35intelligence, like the WHO, which controls the spread of pandemics
00:43:38of artificial intelligence?
00:44:10Well, like suppression of competition, that's all absolutely right, I
00:44:14completely agree with that, but it doesn't make things easier for us. I would like
00:44:18to hear an example,
00:44:20what specific case scared someone? I heard
00:44:24one such funny story that some
00:44:27user followed the advice
00:44:30of ChatGPT, I think it was a married couple, they filed
00:44:33for divorce. That is, roughly speaking,
00:44:37communicating with a chatbot, they ended up...
00:45:10abroad, I spoke with
00:45:13this neural network myself, it terrified me.
00:45:17This is not that, this is not
00:45:20GPT4, uh-huh,
00:45:22and it
00:45:25was the Morpheus
00:45:28network, it hasn't been released anywhere yet, maybe it will be, so you
00:45:32тестировали,
00:45:34Well, yes, if you can call it that, given that I'm not
00:45:37an expert, it's terrifying.
00:45:41You are talking to a really normal person, asking very
00:45:45complex questions, getting instant
00:45:47answers that are not the result
00:45:51of enumerating elements,
00:45:53it wasn't scary, you
00:45:56felt that you were communicating with an ordinary
00:46:00living person, and that scared you, yes it was
00:46:03scary, but yes, but I'm not naive,
00:46:06so it's not like I fainted, it rather caused me to...
00:46:40That's true, I agree with that, no, actually my
00:46:43conclusion, from what we are saying, besides
00:46:46the alarmism, so to speak, not inherent, my conclusion
00:46:50is this: we have come to some
00:46:53completely new frontier, this thing can
00:46:56get out of our control.
00:46:59Specifically, artificial intelligence can become more
00:47:02powerful than natural intelligence,
00:47:05then we cannot compete. But still, what about
00:47:08the practical aspects? We can use them, and perhaps
00:47:12limit these networks to exactly these practical, useful aspects,
00:47:16algorithms that help us in everyday life. That would be wonderful,
00:47:20who would argue, of course.
00:47:52portion of attention in the media,
00:47:55in public discussion, but uh, for example, uh,
00:47:58we are developing such solutions.
00:48:02Ah, there is a concept of videoculographs,
00:48:05eye trackers that track eye movements,
00:48:08and uh, we are learning, we are building models - based
00:48:12on recording trajectories of user eye movements, which allow us to
00:48:15classify, determine some states. There is dyslexia,
00:48:19a very important problem in the child population,
00:48:22that in order to diagnose it, it requires
00:48:26an hour of active neuropsychological examination, very laborious
00:48:29and time-consuming. And we offer a solution to address the
00:48:33primary source of the problem, namely the child's reading
00:48:36behavior, where this problem lies. Read to yourself.
00:48:40Look at the red dot. We recorded your eye movements while
00:48:44reading these simple sentences. Look how it
00:48:46looks. This is how an adult
00:48:49reads, and this is how a child with dyslexia
00:48:53reads. You see that this reading is very different from fluent
00:48:57reading. The child moves from
00:49:00letter to letter, goes back, rereads. We
00:49:03used various machine learning algorithms. There are reading
00:49:07disorders, a risk group or a neurotypical
00:49:10group. We achieved prediction accuracy of
00:49:1391%. This is one example, the second example of this
00:49:16technology's application. Wait, what does artificial
00:49:19intelligence have to do with this? The thing is, I've been working with these devices for
00:49:23many years, I know everything you're saying very well. What does artificial
00:49:27intelligence have to do with this? Let me give an example.
00:49:30Artificial intelligence here is a set of models that perform
00:49:34the task of classification based on raw eye movement trajectory
00:49:37data. I will ask you a question at the end of the conversation,
00:49:40which I always ask, I will ask it to you:
00:49:44are we still planning to live on this planet,
00:49:47or not? Or are we ready to give everything to these
00:49:51new beings?
00:50:22to save themselves or at least preserve jobs?
00:50:25It is necessary. No, we need to be realistic about this,
00:50:28we won't be able to slow
00:50:31this down, unfortunately. So
00:50:34my answer is softer than what
00:50:38I've been saying this entire broadcast with you. We
00:50:42need to be vigilant, you understand, we need to
00:50:45gather ourselves and understand that we
00:50:49have entered, not will enter, but have already entered.
00:51:52intelligence that gives people something like a social
00:51:55rating, and this rating is based on people's habits
00:51:58and behavior in the United States. Beyond
00:52:01recommendatory measures, it does not go. Well,
00:52:05I wanted to ask artificial intelligence at the end of the program how to conclude this broadcast
00:52:09with experts in natural and artificial intelligence, but I decided not to give artificial
00:52:13intelligence another chance to scare
00:52:16and give Vladimir Gennadyevich the opportunity to finish the program,
00:52:20while he is not yet replaced. Let's stick with this for now, we
00:52:23have achieved moderate optimism in this discussion, right? That
00:52:27we will strive to maintain
00:52:30some balance. Therefore, let's hope that humanity will once
00:52:34again cope with the challenges it faces.
00:52:37Let's thank our guests for a very
00:52:40interesting, very important discussion at
00:52:43this moment. Yes, Tatyana Vladimirovna Chernigovskaya, Director
00:52:47of the Institute for Cognitive Research, Doctor of Biological Sciences, and Alexey
00:52:50Masyutin, Head of the Center for Artificial Intelligence, Higher School
00:52:54of Economics. Well, then, Vladikov,
00:52:57Vladimirov, we say goodbye to you, goodbye,
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