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00:00:00of course is very high number, those incredible efforts made by
00:00:03Pakistan and in particular by his excellency prime
00:00:06minister.
00:00:34Good morning,
00:00:35a assalomu alaikum, you're watching Pakistan TV, with the news
00:00:39of headlines for this hour, I'm farwa
00:00:41Fayaz,
00:01:01US president Donald Trump says he prefers a deal with Iran
00:01:05over military action, but warns that force remains an
00:01:09option if diplomacy
00:01:10fails.
00:01:17Iran and Oman agree
00:01:18on route for ships transiting
00:01:20the straight
00:01:20of hormos. The nations are putting the final touches on
00:01:24arrangements for jointly managing the
00:01:31in of passage. Prime Minister
00:01:35Shahbas Sharif says Pakistan continues its sincere efforts to promote
00:01:39peace in the region and
00:01:41a highly values its close and brotherly relations with the Islamic
00:01:44Republic of
00:01:46a Iran.
00:01:51Iranian president Masud
00:01:53of Pesishiya described supreme leader Mushtaba Khaminai as a
00:01:56major source of strength for the country while noting that
00:02:00communication with him is currently very
00:02:05of difficult.
00:02:10Israeli strikes killed one person while two Israeli
00:02:14soldiers were killed in an explosion inside a booby trapped
00:02:18building in southern Lebanon a mid
00:02:20of ongoing talks aimed implementing a cease
00:02:23fire.
00:02:29a
00:02:34of
00:02:39of US president Donald Trump has
00:02:43said he would rather reach deal with Iran then resort to
00:02:47of military action
00:02:49of while a warning that the use of force remains an
00:02:51a option if diplomacy fails. Speaking at event
00:02:55in Las Vegas, Donald Trump
00:02:58of
00:03:00of
00:03:01of of said his administration had been prepared. to launch the biggest attack since World War II, but paused those plans
00:03:05after Iranian officials requested talks.
00:03:09The US president claimed Iran reached out saying, please don't do
00:03:12it, let's talk. He said direct discussions are
00:03:16continuing between US and Iranian representatives.
00:03:20Donald Trump said his
00:03:21in administration is pursuing diplomacy, but stressed that military
00:03:25action remains on the table if negotiations
00:03:28fail. Iran publicly denied Trump's
00:03:32of claim that it initiated contact, independent confirmation
00:03:36of of the alleged communication has not been
00:03:38provided.
00:03:43Iran and Oman have agreed
00:03:44on route for ships passing through the straight of hormos and are finalizing
00:03:48arrangements for
00:03:50of jointly managing the passage. Iran's state news agency,
00:03:54Irna, citing foreign ministry spokesperson Ismail Bai
00:03:57reported that the two sides had.
00:04:00of on the geographical coordinates
00:04:02of the route.
00:04:04Buk added that the joint statement, outlining the main
00:04:07considerations and points of agreement was in the final stages of
00:04:11review and drafting, provided certain third parties did not
00:04:15obstruct the process. According to the report,
00:04:19told journalists that talks with Oman were progressing, but
00:04:22cautioned that even if an agreement was reached, it would not
00:04:26necessarily mean the straight of Formos had become safe for all
00:04:30vessels transiting the
00:04:32of waterway, he said that the factors making the straight insecure
00:04:36still existed, blaming the united states naval
00:04:39in blockade and what he described as other aggressive and threatening
00:04:43actions against Iran and its
00:04:46of
00:04:48a interests. Prime Minister Shahbas Sharif has said
00:04:52Pakistan will continue its sincere efforts for peace in the
00:04:55region
00:04:56in a meeting with an Iranian delegation led by the minister of
00:05:00industry, mining and commerce,
00:05:04said, Pakistan sayid highly
00:05:05minister values Muhammad Atabak, the its prime relations
00:05:08with its best neighbor and brotherly country, the
00:05:11a of Islamic Republic of Iran. Prime Minister Sharif
00:05:14said that he had a good discussion with Iranian President Dr. Masud
00:05:18Pisishgan recently regarding the establishment of lasting peace in
00:05:22the region and further promotion of bilateral relations between
00:05:26Pakistan and Iran, especially trade. And the
00:05:30premier hoped that with continued efforts, the target of
00:05:34bilateral trade of 10 billion dollars set by the leadership of both
00:05:37countries will be achieved, adding that both countries will benefit from
00:05:41the promotion. of trade, especially food and agricultural
00:05:45products. Shahar Sharif conveyed his best wishes to
00:05:49Iran's supreme leader ayatullah Sayyad Mushtaba Husseini
00:05:52Khamenei and President Dr. Masud
00:05:55Bizishian. Iranian minister thanked Pakistan for
00:05:59the warm welcome and wonderful hospitality. He
00:06:02saluted Pakistani leadership and people for Pakistan's sincere
00:06:06diplomatic efforts for peace in the region and for expressing
00:06:10solidarity with Iran, adding that. Iran is keen to further
00:06:14expand economic and trade relations with
00:06:16Pakistan.
00:06:22Iranian president Masud Pesishian described supreme leader Mushtaba
00:06:26Khaminai as a major source of strength for the country while
00:06:29noting that communication with him is currently very
00:06:32difficult. Speaking an interview broadcast by Iranian state
00:06:36television to mark two years since he became president.
00:06:40Bisishya said that openly. raising issues with the supreme
00:06:44leader helps officials find common ground more
00:06:47easily. He described Hamini as an
00:06:50exceptional figure, saying he had been impressed by his ethics,
00:06:54humility and
00:06:55reasoning.
00:07:01Those were the top stories for this hour. For more details and live streaming
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00:07:09It's goodbye from the news studio.
00:07:46From the heart of South Asia to the cross roads of central Asia, from the turbulent, Middle
00:07:49East and North Africa to the power corridors the west where narratives
00:07:53collide, perspectives matter and stories connect. This is beyond
00:07:57borders and I am Umar Khalid B. During the course the show we'll take you into a world
00:08:01that we consider without borders and boundaries and discuss issues that are
00:08:05extremely pertinent in this changing 21st century scenario. Now
00:08:09we'll begin with the top stories the day or as we call them region lines.
00:08:16We start from the middle east where US president Donald Trump wants that Iran would
00:08:20be hit very hard unless the strategic state of hormos is reopened very
00:08:24soon. Meanwhile US central command says the southern
00:08:28route through the straight of Hormus remains open to all commercial
00:08:32vessels.
00:08:39Moving to South Asia where Yasal Kashmir is observed
00:08:43today to mark the seventh anniversary of India's abrogation of articles
00:08:46370 and 35A the Indian Constitution.
00:08:50Pakistan reaffirms its unwavoring solidarity with the people of Indian illegally
00:08:54occupied Jammu and Kashmir on Yahsal Kashmir and pays tribute
00:08:58to their courage, resilience and commitment to their just struggle for the
00:09:02realization the inalienable right to self
00:09:04determination.
00:09:12Now coming to Iran US conflict, diplomacy might be
00:09:16gathering pace on
00:09:17day 159, but Washington and Tehran are still telling two very
00:09:20different stories. President Trump claims talks are progressing, Iran insists
00:09:24that
00:09:24it is negotiating only with Oman, with hormos largely closed, red sea
00:09:28attacks continuing and fresh US threats on the table, can
00:09:32this be called genuine diplomacy or is it another brief pause before
00:09:35escalation? discuss that in detail, we've been joined by two guests
00:09:39and they are first timers for us at least, let me them to one by one
00:09:43Dr. Thomas PM Barnet who is geopolitical strategist joins
00:09:47us from Ohio in the US. Thank you very much Dr. Barnet to have joined us. Our
00:09:51second guest is Dr. Mattheo Mohammed Franzane. He is a professor and chair
00:09:55of history northeastern Illinois University. Also joins us from Utracht.
00:09:59Thank you very much Dr. Mateo to have joined us as well. We'll begin with Dr.
00:10:03Thomas. Dr. Barnet president Trump says discussions with Iran are
00:10:07going very nicely. Tehran denies holding direct talks with
00:10:10Washington. Are both sides. genuinely moving towards
00:10:13any kind of negotiation process, or are these
00:10:17public claims mainly aimed at controlling narrative.
00:10:21Trump has also repeatedly threatened a massive attack only to pull back. as he has
00:10:25done recently, including last weekend after gulf allies reportedly warned
00:10:29about Iranian retaliation. does this pressure strengthen
00:10:33Washington's negotiating position in your point of view, or does it make
00:10:37American threats less credible than time, each time rather
00:10:40that an Iranian attack is planned and
00:10:44then is cancelled at the last moment? well, I
00:10:48see your first question about whether the negotiations are they
00:10:52real or not, I think the key thing to... remember on the Iranian
00:10:55side is that the leadership cannot be seen
00:10:59domestically or in the wider muslim world
00:11:03as rushing into the arms the Americans under pressure, so they
00:11:07will deny direct talks, they'll emphasize that they're only dealing
00:11:11with intermediaries like Oman, they'll insist that
00:11:15there's no negotiation under fire, that's
00:11:18classic narrative control, they're protecting their political
00:11:21flank while they explore options,
00:11:25reality in between is that both stories can be true at once,
00:11:29there may not be any formal face to face negotiations, but
00:11:32there are clearly messages moving through mediators and both
00:11:36sides are testing what a deal on hormoves
00:11:40and the nuclear issue might look like, so are we in genuine
00:11:44negotiations yet? not in the sense of diplomats sitting down
00:11:48with the comprehensive package on the table, we're in the
00:11:51pre-negotiation phase and we're kind of stuck there back.
00:11:55channels, trial balloons, public spins, whatever
00:11:58President Trump tweets most recently,
00:12:02but from a strategic perspective, it's
00:12:05important, the important thing to remember is that the
00:12:08United States is keeping channels open, at least and putting diplomatic
00:12:12track on the table, that preserves American
00:12:16leverage for when this actually moves from narrative
00:12:19warfare to actual bargaining, as for the
00:12:23threats of massive... strikes, what we're seeing is
00:12:27Trump trying to use military signaling as leverage,
00:12:31but he is bumping up against the credibility uh limits
00:12:35there, on the one hand, repeated threats followed by
00:12:38visible shows of force, they remind everyone that
00:12:42the United States remains overwhelmingly capable and
00:12:46can escalate when and if it chooses, that kind of pressure,
00:12:50especially when coordinated with Gulf allies, does put
00:12:54Iran and... regional actors on notice, you can create
00:12:58openings for diplomacy because nobody really wants to test
00:13:02how far Washington Trump specifically wants to
00:13:05go. On the other hand, when you threaten massive attacks and then
00:13:09pull back again and again, you start to fall into this credibility
00:13:13trap. Each cancelled strike teaches Terran in
00:13:17the wider world that US red lines are
00:13:20movable, that domestic politics and allied concerns can
00:13:23veto. military action and that a certain amount of
00:13:26bringsmanship might be tolerable, so over
00:13:30time that can encourage Iran's
00:13:33escalated strategy, raising
00:13:37costs through hor moves and regional disruption,
00:13:41assuming all along that Washington will ultimately choose restraint rather
00:13:45than full scale war, so I think
00:13:48it, it it helps to keep the pressure on, but it
00:13:51does uh fall into that boy pride
00:13:55wolf trap uh and Trump has that
00:13:58reputation, the acronim taco, trump always chickens
00:14:02out that dogs him in these kinds of
00:14:05negotiations. well, it's a complicated
00:14:09situation to say the least and with the different statements that eminate and the two
00:14:13and fro, let's hope some kind of sensible
00:14:17outcome comes out of all of this and the talks finally
00:14:20resume and of course also these talks between Oman and Iran
00:14:24come to some kind of fusion Dr. Matazane, Trump says Iran
00:14:28must formally give up any path to nuclear weapon and wants that
00:14:32it will be hit very hard if it withdraws from talks. now after months
00:14:36of warfare and contradictory American statements, would Iran trust
00:14:39any new agreement offered by this administration? also
00:14:42our country, Pakistan, Qatar and Omar are all trying to
00:14:46secure a date and venue for future talks. Given Iran's
00:14:50present position, in your point of view, could Pakistani mediation finally bring
00:14:55Tehran and Washington into the same room and what would Iran demand
00:14:58first? We are
00:15:01truly in historic times right now, as far as the
00:15:05Iranian US relations are concerned, as far
00:15:09as the Iranian postering for having
00:15:12more power than anyone anyone wanted to
00:15:15have Iran since 47
00:15:19years ago, so in that respect and in that
00:15:23context this is
00:15:24a his historic moment for all parties involved, including the
00:15:28Persian Arab countries, including state of Israel, and
00:15:32including the United States as the major patron
00:15:36the... ladder as far
00:15:39as nuclear weapons
00:15:42program, we still don't know if Iran
00:15:46wants or is or has
00:15:48considered the idea of
00:15:52nuclear weapon, this has been
00:15:55an issue for some time now, this is nothing
00:15:58new, and when I hear Donald Trump saying that they don't want
00:16:02Iran to have nuclear weapon, I think pretty much the entire
00:16:06world would agree with that, and in some aspect uh
00:16:09Iran has said many times and
00:16:12there was a fatwa or religious decree issued
00:16:15by the now
00:16:17assassinated ayatullah Khamenei, the supreme leader of
00:16:21Iran that Iran would never want to have
00:16:24a weapon of mass destruction such as nuclear bomb,
00:16:28so Iran doesn't have nuclear weapons
00:16:32program. Iran, however, and rightly so, based on
00:16:36the idea that
00:16:36it is signatory to the MPT, the
00:16:40non-proliferation treaty that goes back some
00:16:44time, Iran can have nuclear program for
00:16:48peaceful means, and that was the base of how the
00:16:51P5 plus one, the nuclear
00:16:55agreement one 1.0, we can call it, was
00:16:58signed back in 2015, but Donald Trump as
00:17:02unconventional as he has been since the beginning of his first
00:17:05term as the American president cancelled that
00:17:09and we are in the mess that we are now, now they doubled down on
00:17:13this idea, somebody somewhere in some room had suggested
00:17:17to the administration that a US-Israeli joint
00:17:21air operation can bring the regime or the
00:17:24theocratic Islamic Republic to its knees, and that has
00:17:28proven to be not so, and
00:17:32now we have a ceasefire based on the need that the
00:17:36United States saw, that it had to enter into a
00:17:39ceasefire, because if it
00:17:43didn't have the need to engage
00:17:45with developing country such as Iran, it wouldn't have, so
00:17:49the I would be, I would say it's a safe assumption that
00:17:53Iran entered and US entered into this cease fire, and I think
00:17:57you mentioned that at the top the hour and your other guests
00:18:01had mentioned that there is this lack of
00:18:04genuine honesty.
00:18:07that for all intents and purposes, the United States has
00:18:11demonstrated that it cannot be trusted because what I just
00:18:15mentioned the JCPO was canceled for no good reason, no reason was
00:18:19given for, it was something that Donald Trump did because he
00:18:23wanted his own name apparently a possible peace
00:18:26agreement with Iran and that has turned out to be disaster for him
00:18:30and very very fact Dr. the fact remains that this is just not about the
00:18:34nuclear issue, it is much much deeper than this there
00:18:37is a whole control the state of hormones and of course uh
00:18:41how things are going to move along as far as you know
00:18:45the waterways are concerned. coming to you, Dr.
00:18:48Thomas P. M. Barnet, CNN reports and I'm quoting
00:18:52CNN because this was told by them and of course then it was shared by many
00:18:56other media handles. CNN says that the US
00:19:00has used nearly 80% of its third interceptors
00:19:03amongst others. Now about half its patriot interceptors as well and
00:19:07substantial share of its stomach hawks, although the white house disputes that
00:19:11account. could depleted stock files explain why Trump repeatedly
00:19:14steps back from major new attacks? what's your
00:19:16take? well, when you look at those
00:19:20CNN numbers, you're really seeing the downside
00:19:24of a long, high intensity technology
00:19:28heavy war. if the United States has burned through something
00:19:32like 80% of its fad interceptors and half
00:19:36its patriots and chunk the tomahawks, then you've turned
00:19:40some of your most precious slow to replace
00:19:44munitions into a constraint on future
00:19:47action, so not just a tool of pressure uh, but
00:19:51a tool of constraint. does that help explain why
00:19:55president Trump keeps stepping back from major new attacks? it can
00:19:59factor into the calculus definitely any us president has to think not
00:20:03just about today's strike package against
00:20:06Iran, "That president has will be concerned and always
00:20:10worried about other contingencies against other adversaries around the
00:20:13world. The Pentagon is clearly warning that rebuilding
00:20:17these stock piles is a multi-year project, so the
00:20:21more you deplete those interceptors and precision weapons,
00:20:25without clear end game, the more you risk eroding overall
00:20:29readiness and flexibility. But I wouldn't
00:20:32reduce Trump's decisions to inventory charts
00:20:36alone. He's not..." a numbers guy like along those
00:20:40lines, he's also listening to very nervous golf
00:20:44allies, he's watching global markets very intently, he's
00:20:47trying to keep diplomatic track alone. so stock
00:20:51pile depletion amplifies those other pressures
00:20:55and it definitely makes large scale escalation look more
00:20:58expensive and less sustainable and thus those threats of
00:21:02massive retaliation less
00:21:03credible there are
00:21:07threats of massive retaliation and there are threats of the war
00:21:11starting any moment that is why some kind of
00:21:13a deescalation or a process that could lead to deescalation is extremely
00:21:17important.
00:21:20president says Iran does not want to expand the war and considers the June memorandum,
00:21:24the memorandum that was signed by both parties with Pakistan as
00:21:27mediator, central to any kind of future
00:21:31relations. How much freedom does he have to negotiate when powerful
00:21:35hardliners remain deeply suspicious of Washington? Also, Iran has
00:21:39strengthened ties with Iraq, discussed safer oil passage with Baghdad and has
00:21:42threatened vessels using routes it considers illegal. At the same
00:21:46time it has cancelled plan strikes on Ukraine also after receiving and
00:21:50apology, does this suggest that Tehran is using some kind of
00:21:53calibrated pressure technique rather than seeking an
00:21:56uncontrolled regional war, how do you see the
00:21:59situation? well, let me answer the first
00:22:03question and hopefully I'll remember the second one as well, the first question
00:22:06ask that you ask is about Dr. Prisan and his
00:22:10administration in Tehran, and you're absolutely right, Dr.
00:22:14Position, as far as we know, without being in the
00:22:17know-how the... way the Islamic Republic
00:22:21runs things, but we can guess historically how it's doing
00:22:25things, does not really have the power to
00:22:28do things that regular, quote
00:22:32unquote normal democratic
00:22:35administration, republic can have, right
00:22:39now Iran has been
00:22:41factionalized for some time now, it's not
00:22:45only this war that has brought it to this point, this
00:22:48factionalization. existed after the Iran, Iraq
00:22:52war was over in 1988 and continued, but it was
00:22:56mostly concerned about domestic policy, but to a certain
00:23:00extent for the past 20 years or so, or certainly after
00:23:04September 11th, it involved international policy and
00:23:08doctrines and the defense doctrine as well, the
00:23:11IRGC, the Islamic Revolutionary guard score has the
00:23:15ultimate power for the defense in Iran, although Iran has
00:23:19regular. standing army as well, but because the
00:23:2290% 95% the defense industries controlled by the
00:23:26IRGC, they're the ones that make the call and the
00:23:30difficulty and the complexity of this for some people to
00:23:33understand, understandably is because the
00:23:36IRGC is highly ideologically
00:23:39driven, there is social justice sort
00:23:43of an understanding to how they want to do their work, and that starts with the
00:23:47defense the Palestinians, and the defense
00:23:51the shia lebanese that hisbullah
00:23:54controls in lebanon and hence you have the Israel lebanon
00:23:58war that makes it even more complicated so as far
00:24:01as Dr. posicion is
00:24:05concerned he can say whatever he wants but all for all intents and
00:24:08purposes from what we can see he's not really any position to
00:24:12make any decisions your second question if i
00:24:16remember correctly is the idea of Iran and Iraq
00:24:20entering into a new phase the relationship, but the newly
00:24:23young prime minister that's been
00:24:25elected, people need to realize
00:24:29that Iran and Iraq have had a cultural relationship for over
00:24:332500 years, it goes back before Islam and
00:24:37it is further strengthened back in 9th
00:24:41century when the prophet's grandson was killed and Iran effectively became
00:24:45a shit state in 1501, hence that
00:24:48relationship has created an environment between Iran
00:24:52and Iraq that Iran can pretty much has an
00:24:56open hand, especially after George W. Bush decided to
00:25:00overthrow the Saddam government and and it effectively
00:25:04handed the entire sheate politics of
00:25:07Iraq to Iran and that's what we're seeing right now, I don't see any
00:25:11indication or any reason how that could change, and
00:25:15as Iranian Shiites and Shiits around the world
00:25:19we're commemorate. the 40th day the marridom of
00:25:23imam hussein a couple of days ago the
00:25:27Iranian foreign minister
00:25:29made point to go to karabala in
00:25:32Iraq and have a showing and have kind of support
00:25:36that makes everybody nervous when it comes to
00:25:39transnational relationship between Iran
00:25:43and and Iraq that is true but there's also the
00:25:46Ukrainian angle but we'll discuss this a bit later Dr. Barnet.
00:25:50Iran and Oman are discussing new middle corridor, Iran is
00:25:54potentially saying that it wants to control incoming ships and Oman wants to manage
00:25:58outgoing traffic. Could this provide a workable compromise or would
00:26:02it? actively give Tehran unacceptable authority over an international
00:26:05waterway, also only eight vessels are now crossing hormos each day compared to
00:26:09roughly 130 to 140 that used to happen before this
00:26:13conflict began. Sendcom says that the southern route remains open,
00:26:17Iran rejects any route it has not approved. Who
00:26:20actually controls the passage through the straight of hormos at this very
00:26:24point? Well, what
00:26:28Iran and Oman are talking about with this middle corridor.
00:26:33is attempt to turn a very dangerous choke point back into
00:26:36something more predictable, without simply restoring the
00:26:40old status quo. Under the emerging framework
00:26:44inbound ships would move through landing monitored
00:26:47by Iran, outbound traffic would be managed by
00:26:51Oman, and both sides would share so-called
00:26:55service fees tied to security and environmental
00:26:59protection. Could that be a workable compromise? the short term,
00:27:03sure, because the world's priority right now is reopening hor
00:27:07moves and lowering the risk of miscalculation and
00:27:11and escalation into larger war. if Oman acts as a
00:27:14trusted manager on the outbound side, and if the US and
00:27:18his partners quietly help oversee implementation, I
00:27:22can imagine a temporary arrangement that restores traffic and gives everybody
00:27:26enough time to negotiate something more durable, but there's
00:27:30a strategic downside here, "if the deal is written
00:27:34a way that effectively ratifies Iran's authority to
00:27:37control, then you're edging
00:27:41away from the traditional idea of an open international
00:27:44waterway and toward a more Iran-centric
00:27:48maritime regime, and for Washington that's that's a red line, any
00:27:52temporary fix has to be framed this crisis
00:27:56management, not a permanent transfer of
00:27:59power to Iran, where Iran basically..." gets to
00:28:03beato in the future what happens in the straight of hor
00:28:06moves, in terms the ships going through
00:28:10um right now much diminished from the normal
00:28:13pattern obviously on the US
00:28:16sidecom is pretty clear the southern route
00:28:20running through Omani Waters is open and
00:28:24American forces have helped more than a thousand vessels transit that corridor
00:28:28over the past three months. That's Washington's
00:28:31way of saying. "this remains an international waterway, we're still
00:28:35guaranteeing freedom of navigation. on the Iranian
00:28:39side, the revolutionary guard has used the war to rewrite the
00:28:42rules. tanker traffic has collapsed from
00:28:46130, 140 ships a day, to tiny fraction
00:28:50of that now, and many the vessels that do move are operating under
00:28:54government to government arrangements or ad-hawk deals
00:28:58with Iranian authorities. teran insists that any
00:29:02route. not explicitly approved by Iran is
00:29:05illegitimate, and it backs that claim with checkpoints, with
00:29:08vetting, with selective harassment by its forces,
00:29:12so who controls Hormus today?
00:29:15legally, the straight is governed by international law and shared
00:29:19Omani Iranian territorial seas,
00:29:23practically Iran has successfully leveraged its
00:29:26geography and enable presence to become a gatekeeper, while
00:29:30the US and its partners keep a... lifeline open
00:29:34and try to prevent that game keeper role from hardening into something
00:29:38like permanent sovereignty over global energy
00:29:42flows. thank you so very much dr. thomas
00:29:46barn to have joined us, it was our first interaction, it was lovely to talk to you
00:29:50and hope we will be talking much more in the future as well, till next time and
00:29:54thank you again. dr. mathew mohammad, iran
00:29:57describes its talks with oman as positive, but it insists that they
00:30:01have nothing to do with United States is theran genuinely refusing
00:30:05direct engagement with the US or
00:30:07is omand quietly calling messages between both the sides also Iran
00:30:11says an agreement with Oman would not automatically reopen Horms and that
00:30:15US violations must first end what specific American
00:30:18action would Tehran need to see before it allows normal shipping to
00:30:22resume in this area? well what the Iranians
00:30:26i'm assuming would need to see is for the United
00:30:29States to honor the contract. that they
00:30:33signed and as I mentioned earlier, they're not very good at that,
00:30:36obviously they cancelled the JCPOA, and now they
00:30:40entered very hardly, a very, very hurried matter, they
00:30:44entered into an mou back in June
00:30:4717th, and one the articles, I think is article number four or
00:30:51number five, does talk about Iran having some sense
00:30:55of control or being allowed to charge some sort of a
00:30:58fee that the...