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00:00:29Hello and welcome to Pakistan tv, my name is Nilo shoja. Let's take a look at the headlines
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00:00:52Prime Minister of Shahbaz Sharief departs for the kingdom of
00:00:55of Saudi Arabia a three-day visit from the
00:00:57of 6th to the 8th of August. The prima. minister is accompanied by a high-level
00:01:01delegation comprising of chief of defense forces, field marshall
00:01:05sayid muniir and other
00:01:07of ministers. during his visit, the prime minister will be holding a meeting with the saudi crown
00:01:11prince muhammad bin
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00:01:18Prime Minister Shahbas Sharif has highlighted the positive momentum in Pakistan,
00:01:22China relations and
00:01:24of reaffirmed Pakistan's commitment to further strengthening the two countries
00:01:27all-weather strategic cooperative
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00:01:37Pakistan army aviation has
00:01:39of successfully of carried out high altitude rescue operation, recovers the bodies of
00:01:43seven foreign mountaineers after deadly broad peak
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00:01:52US, China and Pakistan raise concerns at the UN security
00:01:56council over terrorist safe haveens in Afghanistan, the
00:02:00taliban to honor the counter terrorism
00:02:06of of commitments. eight Islamic countries, including
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00:02:11of condemn Israeli violations in Gaza, call for civilian
00:02:14protection, humanitarian aid access, accountability and
00:02:18reaffirmed support for two-state
00:02:23of solution. A German court has
00:02:27sentenced an afghan man to life in prison. for deadly car ramming
00:02:31attack in Munich that killed a mother and her two-year-old daughter,
00:02:35ruling
00:02:35in that the gravity
00:02:38of of the crime makes his release highly
00:02:39unlikely.
00:02:44US president Donald Trump says that
00:02:46of he of prefers a deal with Iran over military action while warning that
00:02:50the use of force remains an option if diplomacy
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00:03:00Pakistan categorically rejects as baseless and politically motivated the
00:03:03remarks by the Indian Ministry of External Affairs regarding the
00:03:07ongoing legislative assembly elections in Azad, Jammu and
00:03:10Kashmir.
00:03:17The fourth and the final match
00:03:19of the hockey series between Pakistan and South Korea will be played
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00:03:43Now viewers, those were the headlines
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00:07:11From the heart of south. Asia to the cross of central Asia, from the turbulent middle east and north
00:07:15africa to the parb corridors the west where narratives collide, perspectives matter
00:07:19and stories connect. this is beyond borders and I am Umar Khalid part. during the
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00:07:35wel begin with the top stories the day or as we call them, region
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00:07:46We start from the middle east where US President Donald Trump says that he prefers a deal with
00:07:50Iran over military action while warning that the use of force remains an option
00:07:54if diplomacy fails. Iranian deputy foreign minister for legal and
00:07:58international affairs khasim gharibibabadi says that Iran and
00:08:02Oman are close to finalizing an agreement on new arrangements for
00:08:06commercial shipping through the state of
00:08:08Hormus.
00:08:13Moving on, Israeli drones have carried out air strikes and artillery shelling targeting
00:08:17towns in the southern Lebanese district of Thair, despite an oranging cease
00:08:21fire in negotiations between Bayrut and Tel aviv. Human rights watch
00:08:24says that Israeli attacks in Lebanon have appeared to deliberately target civilians including
00:08:28journalists and civilian objects, potentially amounting to war crimes against
00:08:32international
00:08:33law.
00:08:38Finally, Bangladesh strongly condemns the Indian government's decision to allow former prime minister
00:08:42Sheikh. scena to participate a live media interaction in New Delhi
00:08:45describing the event as affront to Bangladesh sovereinity and
00:08:49insult to those killed during the July
00:08:51Revolution.
00:09:02Now day 160 the US Iran conflict brings a narrow opening for
00:09:06peace but also fresh threats. Iran and Omar are close to agreeing to new
00:09:10shipping route through hormos yet. any recent talks with
00:09:13Washington with shipping collapsing, economic pain spreading, can diplomacy
00:09:17prevent another major attack is what we will discuss along with other important
00:09:21aspects of this very conflict tonight. we've been joined by two guests, let me
00:09:25introduce them to you one by one. our first guest is Dr. Jason H
00:09:29Gamble, he is a senior fellow at the middle east institute and he joins us from
00:09:33Washington DC. Thank you very much Dr. Campel to have joined us. We've also been
00:09:36joined by Dr. Mustapha Kar, he is assistant professor at the Sarka University Middle East
00:09:40Institute, joins us from Sir kaya as well, thank you very much
00:09:44Mustafa to have joined us as well. We'll begin with you, Dr. Jason.
00:09:48President Trump says that negotiations are moving along very nicely,
00:09:52quote and court while Iran's deputy foreign minister says no talks with Washington have taken
00:09:55place. Who is telling the fuller story in your point of view and are
00:09:59indirect messaging still being presented as formal negotiations?
00:10:03Also, Trump has repeatedly threatened a massive attack
00:10:07only to step back and suggest that the deal is close. Is this
00:10:10deliberate pressure on Tehran or? does it show that Washington is
00:10:14uncertain about its next move, your
00:10:16take, yeah, I think right now,
00:10:20unfortunately
00:10:20for the United States, President Trump's
00:10:22credibility. is in decline um, he
00:10:26stated
00:10:27a number of occasions throughout this war that uh Iran is
00:10:31either you begging for negotiations
00:10:35or we're far down the line on on negotiations to a good deal
00:10:39uh you again whatever that means uh
00:10:43only to find very shortly afterwards that the Iranian
00:10:46side uh you know completely you downplays or
00:10:50even disavows the that the the talks are even
00:10:53happening so I i think right now it's difficult to say for
00:10:57sure obviously because we we don't have great visibility on
00:11:01what's going on behind the scenes, it wouldn't surprise me to learn
00:11:04that the exchange of messages through
00:11:07mediators is viewed by the white house
00:11:10as again a sign that that progress is being made on the
00:11:14diplomatic front, it seems right now that the talks between Iran
00:11:18and Oman uh which by all accounts seem to be excluding
00:11:22the United States seem to be making much more pr.
00:11:26uh there's been again talks that you even Iran is saying that
00:11:30some sort of deal there is imminent, I think for from the Iranian
00:11:33standpoint, it it again solidifies
00:11:37both their their influence in the region and ultimately their influence over the straight
00:11:41of hormos, if they're able to reach some accommodation with
00:11:44oman, which I can only assume is is
00:11:47also negotiating
00:11:51uh, if not explicitly then tacitly on behalf the...
00:11:54of other interested GCC states on some
00:11:58workable way forward, at least in the short term, while excluding
00:12:02Washington, and I think what Iran is trying to do is out maneuver Washington
00:12:06here and effectively, you demonstrate that they were
00:12:09able to reach an accommodation with the local stakeholders in the
00:12:13region, and that you provided the US remove
00:12:17its naval blockade um from from
00:12:20Iran, so I think they're they're increasingly confining
00:12:24some of Trump's diplomatic options here, and I think right now we've
00:12:28seen small signals that the Trump administration is
00:12:31even begrudgingly, I think willing to
00:12:35uh uh abide by these new terms. We saw yesterday that they
00:12:38quietly uh dropped a handful of Iranian interests
00:12:42off of of a sanctions list. My assumption there is that it's
00:12:46tied to the negotiations between Iran and Oman, so I I
00:12:50think right now President Trump would like to see
00:12:53the... the the war end and be
00:12:57able to pull back the US forces uh a way
00:13:01that uh will help reduce some the the very costly measures that have been
00:13:05taken thus far with little strategic benefit
00:13:08and uh we we're seeing now that youran is able to
00:13:11solidify some of its gains. all right let's
00:13:15see which side gains which side doesn't but hope both sides at the end
00:13:19the day are victors so that this deal could move forward and
00:13:23peace could prevail uh Iran and Oman have
00:13:27agreed on the coordinates of a possible middle corridor, but
00:13:30Tehran says this will not immediately reopen hormous unless and until the US
00:13:34changes its behavior. Is this genuine progress in your point of view or only the
00:13:38beginning of much harder negotiation? Also, I'd like to add that
00:13:42Iran says that the arrangement is strictly between Tehran and Muskot, while Trump,
00:13:46Marco Rubio, Scott Bessent
00:13:48all describe iminent broader deal. Can oman bridge these sharply
00:13:52different positions without appearing to serve either. side will
00:13:55Pakistan do the needful? Thank
00:13:59you Omar for this question. I think this is
00:14:02cautiously positive development. Of course it
00:14:06won't resolve the standoff its own, but it buys diplomacy
00:14:09some room, real breathing room.
00:14:13So, but crucially, Iran retains every option
00:14:17to close hormos again. It can invoke Israeli
00:14:21aggression in Lebanon or US strikes
00:14:24on its. allies as a pretext, so Tehran
00:14:28gained leverage here, it hasn't surrendered any,
00:14:32but now the harder task is translating this
00:14:35narrow deal with Moscot into a comprehensive one
00:14:39with Washington, and here Iran's posture is
00:14:43deliberate, it won't be seen sitting across from
00:14:47the power that killed its supreme leader, so using an
00:14:51intermediary lets Tehran negotiate.
00:14:55without appearing to negotiate, i think that's
00:14:59partly about managing internal balances
00:15:03and which is exactly why
00:15:06oman or intermediaries like oman
00:15:10is indispensable, uman's role isn't
00:15:13just exchanging messages between sides, it's
00:15:17facilitating the process, i think two things
00:15:21gives give oman this authority,
00:15:25one
00:15:25it controls one cost line
00:15:29the straight of hermus and the second it has the capacity
00:15:33to bring other regional intermediaries into
00:15:37calcul. so I would expect others to join
00:15:40Muscot to widen this narrow deal into
00:15:44a comprehensive one and also lay the ground for
00:15:48peace. All right, let's hope that the ground for
00:15:51peace becomes more solid this time in that we are able to move forward
00:15:55in a positive direction. Dr. Jason H
00:15:59Campel, Tehran wants greater control over ships entering the Gulf and
00:16:03may seek tools as this deal with Omaniers, while major
00:16:07shipping group. are saying 12 major groups are saying that compulsory charges
00:16:10would violate established practice, could Washington ever accept such
00:16:14arrangement in order to reopen
00:16:16Holmus? Well, I think it's becoming
00:16:19increasingly clear that Washington is going to have to agree to
00:16:23some arrangement whereby Iran is able
00:16:26economically benefit by or
00:16:30through its establish control over the straight of hormos. I
00:16:34think at the outset the war, that's certainly something that... Washington
00:16:38would not have abided by, we've seen
00:16:40a number of occasions President Trump and other senior officials talk about
00:16:44the importance the the free flow of shipping through the straight off moves,
00:16:48but the reality right now has changed drastically, and we've saw even in the
00:16:52mou that was signed back in June, we saw reference to
00:16:56the establishment of development fund for
00:17:00Iran that would help them rebuild their country, which is again trying to find a
00:17:03creative way to ensure that. is
00:17:07able to uh achieve that the economic benefits it's seeking
00:17:11without explicitly referring to it as toll, and we're even
00:17:15seeing that now here in terms the negotiations between Iran and
00:17:19Oman, whereby most accounts were hearing
00:17:22the the phrase service fee uh being used as again
00:17:26that uh uh additional charge made to goods that go
00:17:29through uh or to to promote the the free
00:17:33shipping uh through the straight uh the big question now will
00:17:36be ' what amount is that service fee and for how long
00:17:40will it endure? and it you the phrase service fee or service fees are
00:17:44charged in other instances around the world uh through straights
00:17:48and other narrow waterways, so it wouldn't be unprecedented, but we'll see what it
00:17:52amounts to. i think the other thing to keep in mind in in
00:17:56the longer term here is whether Iran will
00:17:59allow for uh the economic I
00:18:03guess free market to determine alternative routes through the straight of
00:18:06hormus. If you recall few weeks ago, Iran struck
00:18:10Shalala Port in Oman, largely as a signal to show
00:18:14that, you look, we're not going to abide by uh countries uh
00:18:18using other ports or alternatives outside the straight,
00:18:22so sort
00:18:23that there's the near term, what are the economic
00:18:26requirements needed to to open the straight, and number two, in the
00:18:30medium to longer term, will Iran abide by uh countries
00:18:34uh finding alternative routes to avoid the straight offhor moves?
00:18:38Many questions and we all need answers and quicker, sooner than later,
00:18:42rather. Mustapha, coming to you, only two vessels have cross the straight of
00:18:46horm on Wednesday, compared with around 130
00:18:49to 140 a day before the war. Explosions are reported near an old tanker, what
00:18:53guarantees would shipping companies need before they trust any new
00:18:56corridor, also the hoothies have claimed that they have attacked more saudi
00:19:00tankers while traffic through the Babel Mandab has also collapsed.
00:19:04Does the pressure on both the waterways suggest a coordinated
00:19:08regional strategy or are the hoothies pursuing their own dispute with
00:19:11Saudi Arabia? thank you for this
00:19:15question, omar. i think there are two separate questions
00:19:19here and both important. on the first,
00:19:23if i were insurance company, i would wait for a
00:19:27comprehensive deal before trusting any corridor, and
00:19:31here's why, because this is an interm arrangement,
00:19:3460 days, so it could easily collapse. for then and
00:19:38regional dynamics are really moving fast,
00:19:42Israel has signaled that it doesn't care about any deal
00:19:45whether be between Oman and Iran or between
00:19:49Washington and Tehran, so it will strike
00:19:53regardless, I think the threat coming from Tel Aviv
00:19:57is real, and it's why this deal
00:20:00remains far from resolving the whole
00:20:04crisis and on the hoothies, "I think they do
00:20:08have their own agency, but their latest
00:20:11actions, I think, they are coordinated with
00:20:15Tehran, and Iran's stand for Hezbullah in
00:20:19Lebanon didn't only inject
00:20:21confidence or, restore confidence in
00:20:25Hisbullah, but also it restored confidence
00:20:29across Iran's whole regional
00:20:32network, so I think that's why we are seeing
00:20:36deliberate. double pressure strategy right now, one
00:20:40squeeze through the straight of hermus and another
00:20:43through
00:20:45uh barbel mandap and both aimed at disrupting the global
00:20:49energy market. markets and global maritime
00:20:51trade. All right, so of course pressure tactic
00:20:55nevertheless. Dr. Jason, Iran may believe that it can outlast Washington
00:20:59by keeping oil prices high, disrupting trade, increasing pressure on
00:21:03American allies. Is economic pain now the Iran's strongest
00:21:06weapon, particularly as Trump faces growing frustration as
00:21:10home. Also, Iran has reportedly won the gulf states that their
00:21:14oil fields, power plants and water systems could be targeted if the US attacks
00:21:18Iranian infrastructure. could this pressure force Washington's
00:21:22gulf partners to push Trump more firmly towards a diplomatic
00:21:25solution? yeah, I think collectively you
00:21:29touched on the main components of Iran's uh leverage
00:21:33right now, um, one is that yes, it does feel
00:21:37that it can outlast the United States in in terms
00:21:41the economic pain levied, not just on the
00:21:44United States and potentially at stock market, but also the international price of
00:21:48oil and and other... goods like uh uh fertilizer
00:21:52and other key things that that tend to come from from that part and and
00:21:56require travel to the straight of hormos um
00:22:00and the other part of that is you both their capability and
00:22:04demonstrated willingness to strike out at key
00:22:07infrastructure uh and interests not just for the US
00:22:11and Israel but but its partners throughout the region which has already
00:22:14taken a significant toll so I i think when you you look at that
00:22:18collectively Tehran thinks with some high degree of
00:22:22validation that
00:22:23it it can outlast the United States, particularly given some the political
00:22:27sensitivities involved, not least of which are upcoming
00:22:31elections uh here in the United States and also in Israel,
00:22:35so I i think right now they are trying to use that
00:22:38leverage and the fact that uh they are less time constrained
00:22:42to uh I think come to some uh
00:22:45advantageous terms on at least near-term agreement. I'm not convinced
00:22:49yet that the... "the powers that be in Tehran are are
00:22:53necessarily um thinking in the long-term interests
00:22:56the country and and could very well uh uh come to
00:23:00to uh regret missing an opportunity there, but I think for the short
00:23:04term they remain very much uh
00:23:08you influential and and and have things in their favor and as time goes
00:23:11on I think that only increases for the United States of
00:23:15course we we've seen that yes
00:23:17the the US has expended. a substantial amount of both
00:23:21offensive and defensive resources in this war,
00:23:25it's uh key partners and allies throughout the region have done so as well,
00:23:29so that is already uh limited their military options, and I
00:23:33think their military options have further been uh limited by the
00:23:37fact that Iran has demonstrated that it can uh with
00:23:40increasingly uh good precision uh hit US
00:23:44bases and interests throughout the region, which makes the you
00:23:48know options such as st
00:24:07Iran will defend itself but does not want to expand the war. other Iranian
00:24:11officials threaten ships using unauthorized routes and one
00:24:14gulf infrastructure could be struck as i have asked Dr. Jason
00:24:18is Iran's leadership. divided over diplomacy and escalation? what's your
00:24:22take? i think it appears to be
00:24:26true. Iran's political structure is really unique. there are
00:24:30many competing power centers and while the supreme leader is the
00:24:34strongest actor, it oftentimes, he
00:24:37oftentimes acts as the balancer between
00:24:41those power power centers. so one faction genuinely
00:24:44presses to extend the war both in duration and
00:24:48scope, but the pr negotiation figures like
00:24:52president or Galibav
00:24:55muhammed, they want deal with Washington without
00:24:59prolonging the war, because they see the real risk here,
00:25:03and I i agree with Dr. Jason here, there
00:25:07is a real risk for Iran to miss an
00:25:09opportunity, and this risk
00:25:13is, Iran may look like it holds the straight of
00:25:17firmus leverage right now, but it's... only for right
00:25:20now, in the medium to longer term, american
00:25:24military capacity can outlast Iran's if this war
00:25:28turns into a war of attrition, so Iran, yes, Iran has
00:25:32the demographic advantage, Iran has the geographic advantage,
00:25:36but the United States has the strongest military in the world,
00:25:39so yes, there are real divisions and
00:25:43that's precisely why the uman deal took
00:25:47so long, and that's why we are still waiting. for the final
00:25:50approval by the supreme leader and which tells us something time
00:25:54the show starts, we might
00:25:56have final deal and we could talk about that deal, but it hasn't happened as of yet,
00:25:59might happen within a couple
00:26:01of minutes or a couple
00:26:02of hours, but Let's see, Dr. Jason, this is my last
00:26:05question to you, I'd like a short answer, reports claim the US has used nearly 80% of
00:26:09its third interceptors and around half of its patriot mesas, this was CNN
00:26:13that reported, Trump, Trump strongly denies any
00:26:16shortage, is I mean who is on
00:26:20the right side, is it the press that has been reporting it, is it Trump that is
00:26:24denying all of it, what's your take, short answer please, well I think the
00:26:28shortages are absolutely real, we're seeing uniform
00:26:31senior military. officials here in the United States
00:26:35increasingly either
00:26:38through leaks or other reports
00:26:41demonstrate their concern about not just the region but
00:26:45overall readiness the US defense
00:26:48apparatus a more global sense because
00:26:51of this and I would point out though to to build off what what
00:26:55professor was referring
00:26:57to in terms the long-term what we're seeing now throughout the Gulf and
00:27:01elsewhere in the region are these. countries that are quickly
00:27:04engaging other countries, the United States, Ukrainian
00:27:08countries, in bolstering their
00:27:11ability to deter and
00:27:13confront some the Iranian
00:27:17asymmetric
00:27:20opportunities that they they've demonstrated here, so I think in this short to
00:27:24medium term we're going to see some these countries start to rebuild in a
00:27:28way that I think Iran's long-term leverage is going to...
00:27:32at least from a military threat perspective, so that's something to watch very
00:27:36closely going forward, is that it's less about replenishing
00:27:40high-end interceptors, which are important, but it's also
00:27:44building out a more comprehensive air defense that will, I think
00:27:47in time limit Iran's ability to threaten the
00:27:50region. Let's see what happens in the coming days and weeks. Dr.
00:27:54Jason, thank you very much to have joined us and as we always tell to our first
00:27:58time guest till next time. Pakistan is
00:28:01continuing. contact in prime minister is visiting the
00:28:05kingdom of Saudi Arabia as Riyad builds a maritime coalition supported by Pakistan
00:28:09in Turkey, could regional countries produce a workable settlement
00:28:13where in direct US Iran diplomacy has
00:28:15failed? yes, I believe
00:28:19so, at the very least, they can restrain the
00:28:22existing tensions and prevent further escalation, and that
00:28:26is far better than nothing, regional mediators,
00:28:30oman, pakistan, genuinely have the capacity
00:28:34to lay the ground for negotiations and they're facilitating talks
00:28:37between Iran and the United States and whether those talks are
00:28:41direct or indirect doesn't matter, what matters is this
00:28:45diplomatic channels stay active and that's thanks to
00:28:49these regional actors and there is also second
00:28:53benefit which I'd like to mention here, they help contain
00:28:57the conflict, keeping it from drawing in outside
00:29:00powers like Russia, or european powers, because
00:29:04every additional actor would only complicate the picture and narrow
00:29:08the mediators room to manure, so I think these regionals
00:29:12actors are performing genuinely valuable role and I
00:29:16would argue an indispensable one. All right, of course
00:29:20and indispensable one. Pakistan has shown its importance as well,
00:29:24we've seen how these whole efforts bore fruit in the form
00:29:28the first round of talks and continue to bear fruit. Let's hope that we
00:29:32get to. she talks in the very very near future as well. thank you very much
00:29:35Mustafa to have joined us as well, pleasure to have talked to you. now the
00:29:39middle east ladies and gentlemen, it's not just the conflict between Iran
00:29:43and the US, an older conflict, in fact older conflicts are also present,
00:29:47whether it be what is happening in Palestine or Lebanon. speaking of Lebanon, peace talks
00:29:51continue in Rome, but Lebanon is still being bombed. Israely
00:29:55strikes have killed and wounded civilians forced families to flee again and made muckery
00:29:59the seasfire. with Israeli forces still occupying lebanese territory Beirot
00:30:03is being asked to negotiate while it sovereignty remains under
00:30:06attack, to discuss that in more detail, we've been joined by Balya
00:30:10Ahmad, she is a leading journalist and join is from Lebanon, Baria, thank you very
00:30:13much to have journalist, two Israeli soldiers Baria were killed by an
00:30:17explosive device while operating inside of Lebanon, but even Israel has not
00:30:21established who planted it, how can Israel use an
00:30:24unclear incident to justify another wave of deadly attacks on
00:30:28Lebanese towns, Israel has bombed, mansouri,
00:30:32shamali, other areas, killing and wounding civilians and forcing families to
00:30:36flee. does this show that Israel is treating collective punishment as
00:30:40legitimate response?
00:30:43well, thank you for having me, responsibility
00:30:47must be established before any military response is
00:30:50justified. this is basic rule, if no one knows yet
00:30:54who planted those explosive device, using that incident
00:30:58to justify l