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00:00:32Good evening, salam alaikum, you're watching Pakistan TV, I
00:00:35am fahim bangish with the headline news for this
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00:00:51Prime Minister Shahbas Sharif is a three-day official visit to Saudi Arabia
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00:01:09Prime Minister Shahbas Sharif has highlighted the positive momentum in
00:01:12Pakistan, China relations and reaffirmed Pakistan's commitment to
00:01:16further strengthening the two countries all with a strategic cooperative
00:01:23of partnership. Pakistan army aviation
00:01:27has successfully carried out high altitude rescue offer. recovers
00:01:30bodies of seven foreign mountaineers after
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00:01:43US, China and Pakistan raised concerns
00:01:45of that UN security council over terrorist safe Havens in Afghanistan urged
00:01:49Taliban to honor counter terrorism
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00:02:00a German court has sentenced an afghan man to life imprisonment for
00:02:04deadly car raming attack in Munich
00:02:06of that a of killed a mother and her two-year-old daughter, ruling that the
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00:02:21of killed 12 terrorists of fitnal Hindustan during to IBOs conducted in
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00:02:27of Baluchistan as part
00:02:28of the ongoing. terrorism campaign President Asif Ali
00:02:32Zartari and Prime Minister Shahbas Sharif a tribute to the security forces
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00:02:45Pakistan and
00:02:46of seven Muslim nations condemn Israeli attacks in Gaza. Nations
00:02:50worn violations Britain President Trump's peace plan
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00:03:00Hothies kill at least
00:03:01a 38 government troops and injured 29 others in missile and drone
00:03:05attacks in
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00:03:46That's all for now, further news and live streaming, do log to our website
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00:04:05in a "I happen to be Shahzad Astan Khan, and with me, I'm really lucky, I've
00:04:09been joined by my wonderful colleague happens to be Miss Isha Rehan, there are a couple of
00:04:13stories that I brought and then there are couple of stories which Isha brought
00:04:17ministry of
00:04:18of agriculture, the government of Punjab played role in
00:04:22resolving a longstanding issue which was impacting
00:04:26the export of Pakistani potatoes. Pakistan, our first..."
00:04:30well, I'm very happy that the
00:04:32of government is now leading on this issue. I would like to say to all
00:04:36my fellows in Pakistan, politicians, ministers,
00:04:39whoever, please don't look at the numbers. Okay,
00:04:43numbers is not the issue many, many famous companies coming here,
00:04:47and everybody is
00:04:49so you know, feel so promising of doing the local
00:04:52production and you know to get
00:04:54of of to build the uh confidence, for the long-term partnership.
00:04:58This is much more to do. with the really
00:05:01a deep lack of trust between the United States and Iran, obviously that's something
00:05:05that goes back nearly five
00:05:17my videos, we estimate that around 8.6 million children are
00:05:21in situations of child labor, and that of course is very high
00:05:24number. those incredible efforts made by Pakistan in
00:05:28particular by his excellency prime minister shikbar sharif and his excellency
00:05:32field marshall are incredible and commendable and the
00:05:36entire world want me to tell or you
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00:06:31tv speaks to the
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00:08:05not happy with him buying oil from Russia, if
00:08:08India doesn't buy oil it makes it much easier.
00:08:12and then I can
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00:09:40hello and welcome to the news room with sun. Today we're going to be taking a look at the
00:09:44top stories the hour, the first focus will be on the middle
00:09:48eastern situation with
00:09:49the way the United States and Iran in particular, what is the latest
00:09:53developments pointing towards? there is of course lot of focus on what it is
00:09:57that uh Mr. Trump hopes to achieve as we see
00:10:00almost six months into this conflict, it will be important to then note what
00:10:04it is that will be the likely outcome the kind of efforts that are being
00:10:08made by mediating parties right now um there seems to be um
00:10:12agreement between Iran and Man and that of course is incient closer
00:10:16which gives a couple of options to the US administration as to what it is will
00:10:20be the likely scenario moving forward given that that was one the core
00:10:24agendas. that Mr. Trump had spoken about and
00:10:27with Iran being given more control the straight than it previously had as part
00:10:31of this agreement, that will be of course a big blow to what
00:10:35is the primary aspect the discussions
00:10:38as per the United States and Iran and what initially of course
00:10:42the Trump administration spoke about achieving, there's also other core issues at
00:10:46hand including Iran's nuclear program and so it remains uncertain what it
00:10:50is that it is hoping to achieve and what will be the likely strategy will
00:10:54it continue? with the status quo or would it escalate the situation to further
00:10:57strikes or it will accept this straight agreement that of course remains to be
00:11:01seen and the developments in the middle east are also an important factor as to
00:11:05how things will unfold. in our second segment we're going to take a look
00:11:09at the very important relationship between Pakistan and Saudi
00:11:13Arabia and it's going to be important also in terms of prime minister's
00:11:17official three-day visit there as well.
00:11:19there is of course a deep history of ties between the two countries and of
00:11:23course very important to... ments including defense styes, but the
00:11:27overall situation in the backdrop the middle eastern crisis is also
00:11:31integral as part of this visit, however that's not the limited agenda,
00:11:35there is of course lot of bilateral trade investment that also is going
00:11:39to be discussed, it's important to see how that will eventually result in
00:11:43much closer partnership between these two very close
00:11:46countries, and lastly we're going to take a look at what is happening
00:11:50within the United States with of course lot of concern as to how the war is being taken by
00:11:54the... american public and then what it is doing for candidates as part
00:11:58the republicans and democratic side and it seems that the
00:12:02democrats of face a big blow with the kind of michigan primary
00:12:05win byy say and this is going to be integral also in terms
00:12:09of how that represents what will likely then be the victory in the
00:12:13general election and we're going to be taking a look at that in terms the kind of
00:12:17supporters and indeed allies that the United States have that have also
00:12:21funded different political and electoral campaigns and that will be the... focus
00:12:25in the last segment the show today to take closer look at what is happening
00:12:29between United States and Iran is part the deal that is
00:12:33um inching closer between Iran and Oman, we're going to be taking a
00:12:37look at the scenario and the options available for the
00:12:40United States and Iran to move forward with that guests we've been
00:12:44joined by professor of international relations and earth and
00:12:47environment by Dr. Adil Najam. Thank you very much Dr.
00:12:51Alil for being part the show today and this will be of course. very
00:12:55important discussion with you in terms of how you're looking
00:12:58at where we stand about six months from the start the conflict
00:13:02between Iran and the United States, what the Trump administration mentioned is
00:13:06only going to last few weeks have lasted this long with no end
00:13:09insight and no clear end also in terms of which direction is going to take, how
00:13:13do you think that the situation will proceed from here and what will be the
00:13:17likely scenario that the United States is going to go for, will it decide
00:13:21escalate, stay where it is or accept? certain
00:13:25aspects i wasn't willing to accept
00:13:27before, thank
00:13:30you, thank you, I think, well one point I would start with
00:13:34is, we usually talk about, as you did,
00:13:38of this as a conflict between the US and Iran,
00:13:42but let us recall that the original conflict
00:13:46is between Iran on one side, which was then
00:13:49attacked by Israel and the United States,
00:13:53right, and I say this, not just
00:13:55for sort of for for for for clarity, but because any
00:13:59ultimate long lasting solution will have
00:14:03to somehow incorporate actions
00:14:07by all three of those parties, and it is now in the
00:14:11public imagination and certainly in the global media, and then that gets
00:14:15repeated, sort of very often talked about just the US and
00:14:19Iran, but I think this is important because without the
00:14:23US being able to...
00:14:25rain in Israel and its actions in
00:14:29the region currently, including for example Lebanon, not
00:14:33forgetting Gaza and so on so forth, a long
00:14:36lasting solution is unlikely. Having said that, I think
00:14:40we speak a more opportune time, because it does seem
00:14:44that some sort of an understanding between
00:14:48Oman and Iran
00:14:52on the very narrow and immediate. issue of how
00:14:56to manage the passage of transport on the
00:15:00straight of hermooz might be nearing or might already have been
00:15:03achieved and may be announced in the next many hours. I
00:15:07hope that is so, I think it will be an important step
00:15:10forward. that would not mean,
00:15:13and both sides, all sides have made it clear that this does not mean that this
00:15:16is negotiation about the entireity the issues
00:15:20around the conflict, but this is very, very important piece on
00:15:24which "everything rests now right now, so that
00:15:28is where we are, I think, I hope that there will be an
00:15:32agreement, I hope that it agreement will last, though from the
00:15:36last six months, I think..." "what we have learned is that we should be
00:15:39ready for things to go up and down and up and down and things
00:15:43might change whether from the Iranian side or from the
00:15:47US and Israeli side or from simply actions
00:15:50in the region that might impact that, but I think we
00:15:54should be should be ready for turbulence, but if this
00:15:58happens, I think it will be an important move forward to get back
00:16:01to the place where the two side, two sides,
00:16:05Iran and one side and israel." the US on the other can
00:16:09actually get to a place where they can start both
00:16:13first deescalating and then coming to
00:16:16meaningful deeper not just his
00:16:20fire but resolution right and doctor
00:16:24are the situation around what is being expected to be
00:16:27a grade between Iran and Oman is also very important and it
00:16:31seems that that is giving lot of control to Iran for inbound vessels
00:16:35in the straay that previously didn't have um, when we have
00:16:39Iran and Oman actually agreeing on this and
00:16:43lot of expectations around the announcement coming in very soon as well, what
00:16:46really then will be the likely steps that the United States
00:16:50or any other country perhaps can take with this in
00:16:54mind if it does not agree to the stance um or does
00:16:58not want the the aspects the agreement to be put
00:17:01implementation, what really do you think will
00:17:05transpire and if both sides actually do agree on
00:17:09moving things forward, so again,
00:17:12again, let us focus on what moving things forward means, so Oman
00:17:16and Iran are the two countries that have
00:17:19sovereignty and legitimate right over parts the
00:17:23straight, right? now that some of that is in contention, how much and whether there is
00:17:27a part that neither has, but those are the two sort of relevant
00:17:31parties to the straight, and what we are likely
00:17:35to see, we do not know its details, but what we are likely to see is some sort of an
00:17:39understanding before between the two and again you will note and be careful with words
00:17:43and and not calling trying to sort of use words like
00:17:46deal etc, but they will come to some sort of an understanding of how the
00:17:50movement of ships on the straight will be managed by the two them.
00:17:54the likely scenario it seems is that ships pass on
00:17:58one side the straight into the straight and pass on the other
00:18:02side out the straight. the real thing to look at is not
00:18:06just that, the real thing to look at cat is what is the modus
00:18:09operandi that might be proposed or agreed in terms of
00:18:13those ships either paying toll, whether it's mandatory charge,
00:18:17whether it's a voluntary charge, but Iran has made it clear that
00:18:20what it wants and has wanted from the beginning is
00:18:24a, acceptance of its sovereignty and right to court and
00:18:28court control the state, and b) as part of that
00:18:31right to charge some form
00:18:34of of fee if you will, whether
00:18:38as recompensation for the losses that it says it
00:18:42has had in this conflict or as regular
00:18:46thing and that's where that what make it makes it tricky because under
00:18:50international law if that becomes the norms then the question is
00:18:54you know will such a thing be applied in other parts the world where they may be a straight or
00:18:58country has some sort of influence on the
00:19:01passage of of of transport. now in term the US, my
00:19:05assumption would be that the US remained pretty cognisant
00:19:09of what is being talked about, my assumption would be, I don't have any knowledge,
00:19:13but my assumption would be that the US will not be surprised by what
00:19:17comes out, even if it if it if it if it might
00:19:21say that it degrees or not, but that it has been, it has remained
00:19:24in touch with with with what is coming out, the
00:19:28US, I think, and Mr. Trump in particular, does want
00:19:31somehow this issue to be resolved, the issue being
00:19:35transport on the Hurmus. "and I think so does
00:19:39Iran. If you think about go back to these six
00:19:42months, the straight got closed right when the
00:19:46war started, and then there was this sense when
00:19:50the mou discussions were happening that somehow it would be
00:19:53eased, but with the coming the blockade from the US
00:19:57on the one hand and Iranian mines on the other, the straight has
00:20:01remained closed and that has caused both trade and economic concerns.
00:20:05Now I think the thing to look at..." are two things,
00:20:09focus on the number of ships passing and focus on the amount
00:20:13of dollars passing to iron, there are two flows, if the number of
00:20:17ships that are actually crossing the hormos increases,
00:20:21that is a good sign, right? that that is what would mean that this is not just talk,
00:20:25this is action, and at the same time if you see
00:20:28some form of monetary support
00:20:32coming to Iran, whether it is in the name of voluntary charge or a
00:20:36mandatory charge. or toll or
00:20:39reconstruction fund or development
00:20:42assistance or unfreezing of accounts, how it comes doesn't matter, but those
00:20:46two flows, I think until we see that happen.
00:20:51"we will not know whether this is real or simply hot air,
00:20:55so I do not expect that
00:20:56you know suddenly the US will say, well I don't like this and therefore I will stop
00:21:00it. The question is, how will it be implemented? We have
00:21:04been here before when we thought an agreement had been reached on how
00:21:08ships would pass, but the understanding the various sides
00:21:11on what that meant was different, and that is the thing that we should
00:21:15be looking at once once this happens and if those things
00:21:19pass..." "That's a good sign, I'll end with this thought, it
00:21:22has that those numbers have shifted, if you
00:21:26recall before the before the war, ships for passing
00:21:30about you 140, 130 a day, then they
00:21:34stopped and went down to three, four, five or zero,
00:21:38right after the the meeting in Switzerland where
00:21:42the MOU was officially sort of launched, we did see
00:21:46some days in which that number crept up to the..."
00:21:5030s, the 20s and even the 40's, right? so the number of ships
00:21:53started passing more, and there was indication that support was
00:21:57also moving towards round, and that then that got
00:22:01stalled, so first step, let's come back to at least that
00:22:04level and then ratchet it up back to levels that are
00:22:08closer to what it was before the
00:22:09war. right, and Dr.
00:22:13Adil, the situation in the middle east, of course,
00:22:17is not just limited what is happening between Iran and... the US, there are so
00:22:21many other fronts, of course, especially with what had earlier
00:22:25happened in terms of what has been continuing in
00:22:28Gaza and the west bank still now and then of course in Lebanon and then with
00:22:32the hoodi rebels in the maritime blockade against Saudi Arabia,
00:22:36how exactly do these developments impact Iran's
00:22:40decision making as part of what it is that it wants to
00:22:44put forward, what its interactions are going to be with the Gulf states and
00:22:48what they indeed uh are going to decide in
00:22:51response? immensely, immensely, it
00:22:54impacts it immensely, not just Iran's, but every parties, it impacts these
00:22:58developments impact what Iran does, they impact clearly
00:23:02what Israel or the US might do, that impacts
00:23:06clearly the other countries in the region, Saudi Arabia for
00:23:09example, being very clearly so, but also the Gulf
00:23:12countries, also on and so on, so forth, so I do think you are right in
00:23:16contextualizing in that larger picture, as I also...
00:23:20suggested sort of that larger picture, you cannot sort of just simply cut out
00:23:24raza from this, and if you look at what's happening in the world
00:23:27today, literally as we speak, so the biggest news that's leading the
00:23:31international news everywhere is not just iran or what might happen
00:23:35with Hurmus,
00:23:36it is what is happening in in
00:23:39Yemen, where some sort of sort of escalation
00:23:43between the Hithis in Yemen and Saudi
00:23:46Arabia is going on and all so what is
00:23:50happening in south Lebanon where the supposed sort of
00:23:54seesfire or agreement doesn't seem to be holding, so I think those are
00:23:58extremely important, from Iran's perspective as to your
00:24:01question, these become sort of both
00:24:04leveraging points, but also important context for it, and for the region
00:24:08and the rest the world, what it also means is that everyone is
00:24:12on edge because they understand that bad as these
00:24:16things already are, if this in fact becomes a
00:24:20regional war, there is really no party that comes out
00:24:23unscared, actually I've been arguing that if it becomes regional
00:24:27war, it automatically becomes a global war, right, so no
00:24:31one in, maybe with the exception of Israel, no one really
00:24:35wants that, Iran, while it understands the leverage, I do not
00:24:39think has a strategic interest in seeing the war actually
00:24:42expanded so that other countries in the region become a
00:24:46party to the war, because then the question is which which side? are they part
00:24:50becoming a party with, nor does the US
00:24:53what, it's already a difficult position with
00:24:57this situation, I do not think it strategic interest is in
00:25:01expanding the war, certainly whether it's the Europeans or the Chinese or the
00:25:05Russians or countries like ourselves in Pakistan, no one would
00:25:09like that to happen, the only possible
00:25:12except expection sort of exception to that might be
00:25:16Israel which does have and has had for a long time sort of this view.
00:25:20that we are right, we meaning Israel are surrounded by enemies and
00:25:24if it can see those enemies fighting amongst themselves, that
00:25:28may have a sort of strategic logic to it, but what
00:25:32makes the moment important is in fact that
00:25:36the threat of this becoming a greater theater
00:25:39of war is such horrendous thought that that
00:25:43might be what is bringing these parties, including the
00:25:46US, sort of somewhat closer to this little
00:25:51resolution on at least what happens in the
00:25:53hurmos right? and Dr.
00:25:56Adil, the patience and restraint we have seen the gulf states
00:26:00exercise, it's the start the conflict. of course is also being tested and
00:26:04again Iran has spoken with regards
00:26:07to uh what it wants the Gulf states to do in terms of putting more pressure on the
00:26:11US to end the possibility of strikes and move forward with
00:26:14negotiations or else is going to directly attack a lot
00:26:18the oil and energy assets within the
00:26:21region, how exactly will the Gulf states be taking
00:26:25any possible development in this regard and whether or not there's a
00:26:29red line before they start acting differently than they have. so
00:26:32far, I'm sure there are red lines, but everyone
00:26:36wants not to get close to the red lines, right? so you said
00:26:40patience in restraint, there is patience and restraint from the Gulf states, there is
00:26:44also sort of care in some ways from Iran and the US
00:26:47itself, and every side understands that if they
00:26:51actually do something where things get out of hand, it will be very
00:26:55difficult to get back, so on on the side the on on the
00:26:59if you focus on the Gulf states, there is patience and restraint, but there is also...
00:27:02necessity, they one the sort of
00:27:06surprises if from theoretical point has been that
00:27:10despite installations in their countries being
00:27:13attacked, which Iran said were US installations, they have
00:27:17not retaliated, they have been very firm and saying, we do not want to be a
00:27:21party to this war, right, because they understand also, it's not
00:27:25just restraint, it's also a very practical understanding that being
00:27:28a party to the war means they will have to be a party on the side of the
00:27:32US and Israel right, and that has cost inside.
00:27:36Iran while making these these
00:27:39incursions, also has to be very careful
00:27:43that while it has some sort of irrational to
00:27:46say, we
00:27:47are hitting or trying
00:27:48to hit US installations, if something happens
00:27:52so that it's seen not hitting US installations, but being at war with
00:27:56these countries, it will force them into
00:28:00a retaliation, and that is... what it does not want, so this
00:28:04is this is what I meant, that everyone is sort of walking on this these
00:28:08eggshells, understanding that one wrong
00:28:11move can get them to to to a
00:28:15situation they will not be able to control, that I think is the logic
00:28:19of deescalation right now, I think that is why
00:28:23whether it is Iran or whether it is the US
00:28:26would like and and and you can also see the Gulf states putting pressure on the
00:28:30US for example as we saw with the Saudies doing on Mr.
00:28:34Trump, right? so so the logic of deescalation
00:28:37comes out the fair the
00:28:40horrendousness of regionalization of this
00:28:44war. right, thank you very much Dr. Adil Najam for
00:28:47joining us and being a part the news room today, there are a lot of developments taking
00:28:51place and everyone has closed eyes as to how things will proceed and there are many
00:28:55effects of what is going on in the larger middle eastern situation on
00:28:59this very important issue too, so it remains
00:29:01to be seen what? exactly will be the way forward that is taken by the
00:29:05US and Iran. To talk a little bit more about
00:29:09specifically also what is the relationship in the current
00:29:12dynamic between Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, especially in the backdrop
00:29:16the developing regional situation and Prime Minister's three-day official
00:29:20visit to the kingdom we've been joined by major general retired Zied Mahmoud is
00:29:23security expert and defense analyst. Thank you very much general z for being
00:29:27part the news room today. We've of course had
00:29:31very important. relationship with Saudi Arabia still
00:29:35continues the deep historic, cultural and religious
00:29:38ties with the country, and of course our deep bilateral investment
00:29:42and defense cooperation are also significant in terms of what
00:29:46this relationship means to us, but especially now with this very important
00:29:50three-day official visit by the prime prime minister, how are you looking at what is
00:29:54going to be the most significant takeaways from this visit and
00:29:58what can
00:30:04I think our strategic partnership with Saudi Arabia, it is an overarching,
00:30:07you know, so it has the economic dimensions, it
00:30:11it has the socio political dynamics as well and
00:30:15dimensions as well, as you alluded that the deep rooted
00:30:19ties which we already enjoy, and it also impact the
00:30:23strategic partnership, especially in the backdrop of
00:30:26present situation in Middle East, of course many things in Pakistan
00:30:30that they think that this this visit is all about
00:30:34the war which is going on in middle east, but it is little beyond
00:30:38that, yes, of course the war will remain most important feature of
00:30:42our discussions, because Saudi Arabia being our partner
00:30:46is being threatened as far as the red seas concerned, they have serious
00:30:50concerns about about the developments which are taking
00:30:53place, there have been some targeting
00:30:56inside Saudi Arabia, which
00:30:58is matter of concern, and secondly Pakistan is a chief.
00:31:02dator so being the most trusted.