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00:00:00"and it will also have lot of bilateral issues also, especially
00:00:03investment in Pakistan, considering our economic situation,
00:00:07economic
00:00:08needs and prime
00:00:09in minister being accompanied by the field marshall, it clearly reflects
00:00:13of that is overall it is going to be a quite a number
00:00:16of strategic discussions which will take place during this visit,
00:00:20but a significant
00:00:21of visit a very critical time, I would say, absolutely,
00:00:25and it's very important emphasize, of course it's beyond what is happening in the
00:00:29regional." situation in the larger middle eastern aspect of course and I'm
00:00:33glad you pointed that out, but in what ways do you think that the international
00:00:37community would also be looking at this very historic visit in light of what is
00:00:41happening as part
00:00:42of the middle eastern crisis and then also the defense cooperation that exists
00:00:46between Pakistan and Saudi Arabia so we all know
00:00:50that situation in Middle East is very delicate
00:00:53of you know there are spoilers there are hard hard liners and situation is very
00:00:57of complex if Saudi Arabia Qatar, Kuwait, I
00:01:01would, I can very confidently say they have shown restraint in this
00:01:04war, in spite of having opportunity and in spite of reaching
00:01:08to point where I think to maintain the detarance, they were
00:01:12supposed to be taking on certain military actions, they they they
00:01:16exercise restraint, it was all because of
00:01:19a Pakistan, so Pakistan being a strategic
00:01:21of partner can understand the devastating effects of this war, otherwise
00:01:25this war will spread, still Israel sitting at the fringes is
00:01:29expecting that. brother sitting
00:01:32the the Israelies they want to sit outside the ring and they want that these
00:01:36wrestlers should start wrestling with each
00:01:38of other so that will suit their nefarious
00:01:41of designs so that's what Pakistan is you know trying to
00:01:44avoid so Pakistan will try that
00:01:48Saudi Arabia they continue with
00:01:50of this restraint and they are also putting lot of pressure on Iran
00:01:54as well to to to address these concerns
00:01:58of otherwise United States. they may withdraw from this
00:02:02of war, they go back as they do, you
00:02:05know, it has been happening, look at Afghanistan
00:02:0920 years, so left, they left the area with lot of chaos, today
00:02:13Pakistan is the biggest sufferer of
00:02:14a that situation, look at Iraq, what is the condition inside Iraq,
00:02:18Vietnam, if you read history, so they have been doing this, and
00:02:22if they go out with lot of chaos spread in the
00:02:26of region, again there is, then we will have no war, no...
00:02:30peace situation which is extremely dangerous, so that's what Pakistan
00:02:34is trying to avoid and that must be the desire
00:02:38of the region as
00:02:39of well. Right, and General Zaid, how
00:02:42exactly can Pakistan also leverage this very
00:02:46of important relationship in terms
00:02:48of the international economic crisis that is also
00:02:51something that the entire world is is facing of course Pakistan too, especially with
00:02:55the uncertainty around the straight of her moons and now Babel Mandab as well.
00:03:00what
00:03:00of can Pakistan and Saudi Arabia achieve together to help
00:03:04alleviate some of this for Pakistan?
00:03:08look
00:03:09of sanam,
00:03:09we are all already in the IMF program and we economy is biggest
00:03:12challenge along with the
00:03:15of security a for of Pakistan. so of course Pakistan
00:03:18and by the way, Saudi Arabia has always been a great help
00:03:22to Pakistan in the times of crisis.
00:03:25a Saudi Arabia is a friend which doesn't
00:03:28you know boost much about, what this how they supported
00:03:31Pakistan but quietly they have been supporting Pakistan in many ways in the recent
00:03:35crisis also and in the past as well and even today once
00:03:39Pakistan you know
00:03:41there was economic pressure on Pakistan they were disported
00:03:44of Pakistan in many ways
00:03:45of to improve our reserves because of
00:03:49that lot of pressure has been released instead of putting the
00:03:53pressure onto the general
00:03:55of of public of course Pakistan is looking forward to more investment in
00:03:58Pakistan especially. in the you know mineral
00:04:02sectors and all that and secondly Pakistan import
00:04:06bill as far as our fuels are
00:04:09concerned, it it has always been very high and Saudi Arabia has been supporting
00:04:13Pakistan, but most importantly Pakistan is looking forward for more
00:04:17investment, sodi investment in Pakistan, so
00:04:20me we we have the fruit for very long period, so
00:04:24that the Pakistan would be looking on that as well and of course if
00:04:28economically Pakistan. is strong, it is going to
00:04:31help the the strategic partner Saudi Arabia also, you know, they want to
00:04:35see us like that, so Pakistan has a quite
00:04:39effective
00:04:40of agenda of which they are taking along, and of course there will be lot of discussions and as
00:04:43in the past Pakistan will will be helped
00:04:47by Saudi Arabia, that is that is most
00:04:50important. Thank you very much, General
00:04:54Zayat for joining us and being a part
00:04:55of the discussion today, there's of
00:04:57of course lot of developments taking place in mid. situation and in
00:05:01that backdrop, the prime minister's visit to Saudi Arabia
00:05:05is very, very integral, there are number of fronts that are open right
00:05:09now, and that of course is
00:05:11of creating of
00:05:11of a of lot of... scenario a spot of what are the concerns for the international community, but
00:05:15Pakistan's relationship with the kingdom of course is much more than just that,
00:05:19and so the visit would also be focusing on other areas of trade and investment and
00:05:23bilateral ties that of course have historically been there for very
00:05:27long time. We're now going to take a look at our last segment that takes a look at
00:05:31what is happening within the United States and particularly in terms the
00:05:35victory by progressive Abdul Adsayd who has dealt a big blow
00:05:39to the democratic establishment in the Michigan Primary and what that
00:05:42means for both the Republicans and the Democrats and then of
00:05:46course in the ways uh that this is a big win for progressives
00:05:50and what it does then as part of what the general elections will
00:05:53bring in for this. we have been joined um
00:05:57by Dr. Muktadar Khan who is a professor of international relations, the
00:06:01University of Delhi. Thank you very much Professor Mudir for joining us and
00:06:05being a part the show. In your opinion, what has happened
00:06:08in terms the win by the progressives in Michigan?
00:06:12what does that say about the current political scenario in the
00:06:16United States and what is it representative of in terms
00:06:20of how this will then impact or reflect
00:06:23upon what will come next? thank
00:06:27you for having me sana. i think what you are seeing is
00:06:31as to use cliche that there is a battle for the soul the democratic
00:06:34party taking place, but there is also a systematic
00:06:38realignment of American politics taking place. for example,
00:06:43"now nearly 80% of people who say they are
00:06:47democrats are not inclined to support Israel and
00:06:50conditionally, yes there are those who support Israel say for
00:06:54defensive purposes, they would like to fund the iron dome but
00:06:58not fund its atrocities in Gaza or West
00:07:02Bank, there is horrified feeling going
00:07:05around in in the west that they
00:07:08are continuing to essentially support."
00:07:13for whatever reason some people for religious reasons especially on the right
00:07:16and some for politically correct and liberal reasons on the
00:07:20central left to Israel, but they are horrified by what's going on in
00:07:24Gaza. the genocide in Gaza has not stopped more than
00:07:281300 people have been killed in Gaza after the
00:07:31seasfire. the violence in west bank is
00:07:33continuously on the rise. so so and the
00:07:37public in most these countries are asking the question, why are we
00:07:41supporting these? atrocities and so the balance of power is
00:07:45shifting. I think the most critical moment was when Zohran Mamdani
00:07:49won the elections to as mayor the city of New
00:07:52York, which is the second biggest city when it comes to
00:07:56Jewish population, and he won 30% the Jewish vote in the city
00:08:00of New York, and today Zoran Mamdani is more
00:08:03popular in America than BB Netan Yahu among
00:08:07American Jews, so Netan Yahu has
00:08:11less popularity with jews of America than Zohran Mamdani, so
00:08:15this is seismic shift in politics inside the
00:08:19US, so yesterday's elections
00:08:21in Michigan was
00:08:25very critical, so Abdul Rahman al sayid, he is a
00:08:29brilliant, brilliant man who won the primary,
00:08:32but with the raisert in margin, it it was very, very close, it
00:08:36was about just 14 thousand
00:08:39votes over over million votes with. cast so
00:08:43he beat Haley Stevens a moderate democrat who was
00:08:47very pro Israel and apac the pro Israel
00:08:51lobby spent over 50 million dollars in trying to defeat el
00:08:55sayid.
00:08:56Said in total spent about 19 million, he raised 12 million
00:09:00within Michigan and 7 million came from outside, but Haley
00:09:04Stevens got more than 60 million dollars from outside, so it was
00:09:07APAC and pro Israel lobbies and the
00:09:11establishment democrat. so I'll say defeated not just
00:09:15establishment democrats but also in many ways the
00:09:18Israel firsters in this country to
00:09:22win the primary and so he is now the first
00:09:26arab muslim arab to be
00:09:30nominee for senate, no muslim has come this far in
00:09:33American politics, so it's a big step forward, but
00:09:37it also shows something that in the beginning
00:09:41there was a perception that I would we win by at least 10%
00:09:44percentage points and the fact that Stevens came
00:09:48so close is very frightening because the
00:09:52message that it has sent to Israeli supporters is,
00:09:56oh, if we have spent few more millions we could have done this,
00:10:00so so there is hope now for pro Israeli lobbies in
00:10:03this country, so you're going to see lot more money being raised against
00:10:07al sayid, so apac which supported democratic candidate in the
00:10:11primary with nearly... 60 or 50 million dollars will now
00:10:15throw all its weight and its money behind the republicans to
00:10:19defeat in the main elections in November and the message
00:10:22is it's possible to beat also that if we can get more
00:10:26money, so that is very difficult
00:10:30position for the progressives to make, and while progressives have won
00:10:34consistently across the country, for example in Michigan
00:10:37itself, Thanedar, Shri Thanedar, who
00:10:41is of Indian origin, a semi progressive
00:10:45democrat who initially was critical of Israel, then became
00:10:49very strong supporter of Israel, took a money from
00:10:52apac, he lost to, he lost to progressive democrat
00:10:56don, i think his name was, so you can
00:11:00see that progressive democrats also
00:11:03associated with the democratic socialist organization continue to
00:11:07win. Kory Bush lost in Missouri who
00:11:11is very much aligned with Alsayd and
00:11:13Mamdani, so we can see that there is a positive
00:11:17trend, there is clearly a trend
00:11:20towards progressive values and very critical of Israel.
00:11:25and unfortunately is the moderate democrats, people like
00:11:29Chuck Shumer or media agencies like CNN
00:11:33who are making Israel the key element and so like for
00:11:37example when
00:11:37they talk to say they don't ask him what is agenda is his number
00:11:41one agenda is medicare for all
00:11:45sayad is very talented guy he has a PhD from Oxford
00:11:49and a medical degree and MD from Columbia
00:11:53University and university, he is an
00:11:56epidemiologist, has written fantastic book on healthcare,
00:12:00that is his number one issue, that's why he won the primary, because
00:12:03michiganers know that he is one the key
00:12:06persons who can potentially reform America's medical system
00:12:10and health care system, but media never ask him anything about
00:12:14his agenda and how he is going to do something so colossal, all they
00:12:18ask is does Israel have a right to exist, which is actually a code
00:12:22word, code for will you continue to support Israel even if
00:12:26it commits a genocide, that is what they are asking, and if
00:12:30you don't, then you are unacceptable. Donald Trump was so abusive in his
00:12:34connamination, calling him that, oh, he has the Jewish people, he hates
00:12:37Israel, as if that is the only thing that matters in American politics
00:12:41that you love Israel, so we are
00:12:44seeing an interesting development within the American
00:12:48political sphere, so basically what is going to happen
00:12:52is the Pro. or shall i say america
00:12:56first democrats are definitely at an advantage
00:13:00over Israel first democrats right now in the
00:13:03primaries and then we will see what happens in the main
00:13:06elections for those of you who are interested in south asian
00:13:10politics i just wanted to tell you that
00:13:13india indian origin people the indian americans people
00:13:17whose parents are from india
00:13:19who who themselves are from India they were six in the US
00:13:23congress so far but "two them have lost, so there will be only
00:13:27four Indian Americans in the congress
00:13:30potentially in the next congress and the
00:13:33two them who lost lost to progressives
00:13:37and they were supporters of Israel, so I think for the Indian American
00:13:41caucus, it's also called the Samosa caucus, those who are
00:13:45supporting Israel, it's beginning to cost and they have paid for
00:13:49it, there are some like Suhas Subramani from Virginia and Amy
00:13:53Bera from California who won their primer." but right now
00:13:56the heroes are people like Rokana and Jaipal who are very
00:14:00critical of Israel, so you could say that while the
00:14:04main reasons why the the social progressives
00:14:08and democratic socialists are winning is because the affordability
00:14:12crisis in America. America,
00:14:15you know, if you look at data, it says America's per capita income is
00:14:189000 dollar, it's one the richest countries in the world, but actually that is
00:14:22very bad indicator because half of America. "the top half of
00:14:26America, the per capita income is about
00:14:28$180,000 and the bottom half of
00:14:31America is about $3000, and for this bottom
00:14:35half of America, life has become very difficult, simply unaffordable,
00:14:39top of that, the war on Iran, which has raised gas prices by
00:14:4330%, and let tell you audience that when
00:14:47the price of gas goes up, the price of milk and eggs and bread also
00:14:51goes up because everything needs to be transported, so the 30%."
00:14:55rise in price of gas has really made life very
00:14:58uncomfortable and extremely expensive, pushing some people into credit card
00:15:02debt, etc. so people are in America, half of
00:15:06America is indeed suffering, so they don't care about
00:15:09Ukraine or Taiwan or Israel, they want
00:15:13the to have health careare, to be able to afford health careare, to be able to afford child
00:15:17care, if you can't afford child care then you can't work, there are so many single
00:15:21motherers in America, the education crisis is going on, "you
00:15:25can't afford to rent, so nobody is talking about these
00:15:28issues, it is sad thing that the Republicans, which is seen as a
00:15:32party the rich actually won the
00:15:35majority the vote the poor."
00:15:37in the 2024 elections, so what is what we are seeing at the
00:15:41moment in America is that the
00:15:44because the the distorting fact is the pro Israeli money in
00:15:48American politics, because the way our society is
00:15:52money makes a huge difference, and so it's distorting American
00:15:56politics by sort of picking American
00:16:00voters into voting for candidates who are pro Israel and have
00:16:03nothing else to offer, and so so we there is some kind.
00:16:07of a correction taking place, but the correction is not at the pace
00:16:11at which progresses would like to see that, and the
00:16:15election of al said by such a thin margin
00:16:19has made them worried, they could potentially lose
00:16:22Michigan, and if democrats lose Michigan then maybe
00:16:26Republicans will hold to the Senate, so if democrats have to win
00:16:30Senate, they have to win Michigan, which means al said has to beat a very
00:16:33strong Republican candidate who will not only be supported by
00:16:37republicans, but he will also be supported by
00:16:40democrats who are Israel first, and of
00:16:44course billions of dollars that Israel's lobbies can throw
00:16:48against al said. right,
00:16:51professor, in what ways do you think that the
00:16:55relationship that exists on the top level with
00:16:59Netan Yahu and Mr. Trump is also affecting these
00:17:02dynamics within the parties and of course the larger American
00:17:06public and how is this shift then going to also
00:17:09impact the decisions
00:17:11of organizations such as Apach
00:17:15in terms their support in different states and what you of course also refer
00:17:19to in terms of defeating al sayad and supporting the republican
00:17:22candidate later on, how exactly will the larger
00:17:26context as part the topmt decision
00:17:30makers is going to impact these
00:17:32actions? so so there
00:17:36are two different things: going on, one is that that young people,
00:17:40whether they are democrats or republicans, are turning away from these
00:17:44Israel first politics, and people have recognized very
00:17:48clearly that the war in Iran, Donald Trump for example, promised that he would never get
00:17:52into regime change war, never get into a forever war in the middle
00:17:55east, and his policies would be America first, so there are
00:17:59many republicans like Takka, Carlson and Megan Kelly and
00:18:03others who are actually, there is one guy who...
00:18:07'who used to run a show called info wars who was so
00:18:11pro Trump is now openly calling for Trump to be impeached because he
00:18:15has abandoned America first policies in favor of Israel first
00:18:18policies so there is a generational issue young people are
00:18:22not committed to foreign wars nor are
00:18:25they captured by Israel the second thing is like
00:18:29if you take for example the highest elected democrat in the country which is
00:18:33Chuck Shumer chuck shumer says that his job is
00:18:37"my job is to keep the left pro Israel, his job is not
00:18:41to work for American working class, his job is not to make sure that there is
00:18:45increase in minimum wages or improve health care or improve
00:18:48jobs, no, he thinks this is the the democratic leader
00:18:52the senate, and he thinks his job is to keep the American left pro
00:18:56Israel, so this is the kind of manner in which they talk, because they
00:19:00taking millions of dollars from apac, but recent
00:19:03CNN survey and by recent, I mean just last week..." they
00:19:07found that the most popular democrat in america is
00:19:11zohran mamdani and his approval rating,
00:19:15his net approval rating is
00:19:1760%. net approval means you
00:19:21take their approval rating minus disapproval
00:19:24rating, so for example Donald
00:19:27Trump's net approval rating is like minus 17 or
00:19:30something, so for example 30% approve, 35% approve
00:19:34of him and 52% disapprove, so his net approval
00:19:38is negative 17, so 17% extra on
00:19:41disapproval, but Mamdani has 60% approval
00:19:45rating, net approval rating, so you can imagine his approval rating must be
00:19:49close to like, if it is 80 then 20 disapproval, it becomes
00:19:5260, and Chuck Schumer who is the
00:19:55highest ranked elected democrat, his
00:19:59approval net approval rating is
00:20:01one, that means that the number of
00:20:05people who disapprove of him is nearly equal to those
00:20:09who approve of him, so you can see that there is a
00:20:12shift taking place, but all the
00:20:16billionaires, most the billionaires and all the rich
00:20:19money is aligned with Israel for various
00:20:23reasons that we should do separate show on it, but the
00:20:27point is that yes, it's like for example
00:20:30Elon Musk, he is very islamophobic, and if Elan Musk thinks
00:20:34that if he thinks of Muslims and is... a zero sum
00:20:38game, he might just throw 200 million dollars or so easily, he's a
00:20:42trillionaire, he doesn't care, in in one particular way, and that can make
00:20:46huge difference in elections across the board.
00:20:50so there are people like for example Michael Bloomberg who is democrat, he
00:20:54was in the Democratic Party, he was the former mayor of New York,
00:20:58he is billionaire, he spent nearly 20 billion dollars to defeat
00:21:02somebody from his own party, which was
00:21:05Zohran Mamdani, so for progressives, they are not
00:21:09just fighting their own party, but they are also fighting
00:21:13foreign lobbies and they are also fighting the Republicans,
00:21:17so so that tells you how strongly the
00:21:20public is standing with them that they are still winning
00:21:24and fortunately there are many more public voices
00:21:28like rokna, my god he's become such a profound champion for
00:21:32progressive values and is so boldly critical of
00:21:35Israel and then there is Jayapal
00:21:39in in from the state of Washington so
00:21:43yes Pramila Jaypal these are all very progressive so I
00:21:46think that you can see that as the crisis of a affordability
00:21:50increases ultimately as at some point Americans
00:21:54are going to say, oh my god, I don't have health care, why am I
00:21:58supporting wars abroad, why have I spent 300, I understand that, thank
00:22:02you very much Dr. Muktather for joining us and giving
00:22:06your comprehensive and valuable inside in terms of what is going on and how
00:22:09exactly these dynamics are shifting as as we can see what
00:22:13transpired in Michigan, we've also been joined by senior journalist Anwar
00:22:17Iqbal, thank you very much Mr. Anwar for being part of news. in your
00:22:20opinion, what is representative of what has happened in Michigan with the
00:22:24victory by the progressive candidate by a small margin however,
00:22:28but in what ways does that impact the change in dynamics within the
00:22:32United States in terms of how much support Israel had in the
00:22:36past? well, thank you very much for having me,
00:22:40if you ask me to identify one factor
00:22:44that is contributing to this change, I would
00:22:47say Gaza. what happened
00:22:51in Gaza after
00:22:54this september what october
00:22:562024 events
00:23:00that actually shook everybody in the United States,
00:23:05mean not all of it, but the large part of it was
00:23:09shown on American tv screens, it was on
00:23:13the internet, it was on youtube, mean the social
00:23:17media had help
00:23:20project it everywhere, people saw with
00:23:23their own eyes what was happening and it had a profound impact
00:23:27on them on their thinking, and now it's it seems
00:23:31it is also affecting their voting patterns and
00:23:35if you go to american discussions here in
00:23:38Washington in think tanks or you go on the
00:23:42social media, you will see that the young
00:23:45people are mostly are very
00:23:49upset. what they saw happening in Gaza and they
00:23:53want Washington to change its policies towards
00:23:57Israel, but
00:24:01it will still take,
00:24:02it it needs some more time to have a larger impact,
00:24:06Armenia, the progressives are on the rise and
00:24:10they can win
00:24:13certain stays from here and there,
00:24:17but
00:24:18it is we still need. more time for this change to
00:24:22happen and for this change to to
00:24:25impact the process of policy making in
00:24:28Washington. Right, thank you very
00:24:32much. for joining us and being a part the news room sharing the important
00:24:36aspect of what it is that's behind
00:24:38the scenes and affecting the internal political dynamics inside the United States,
00:24:42that of course will be important, not just in terms the kind
00:24:46of primary wins that we
00:24:47are seeing right now, but also as to what life Next in the general elections.
00:24:51That's all that we have from the news room today. We'll now see you
00:24:54tomorrow.
00:25:20from the heart of South Asia to the cross roads of central Asia, from the turbulent middle
00:25:24east and North Africa to the power corridors the west. Iran has
00:25:28successfully demonstrated its
00:25:31ability not just to negotiate its
00:25:35term, but also to negotiate on
00:25:39each term for that amount of time that
00:25:42Tehran considers as strategically equivalent.
00:25:46Article 3 the NATO treaty is all about.
00:25:50self-defense and that's been a sore point between the United States of
00:25:54America and the other NATO allies since the foundation
00:25:58the the alliance, so what's happening now is burden sharing
00:26:02is going to... evolve to burden shifting Amit Shah, he
00:26:06is the one who is running the extortion,
00:26:08assassination and all these plots sitting a
00:26:12government office, being a minister of India, America
00:26:16knows it, Canada knows
00:26:17it,
00:26:28you about about the Pakistani role, especially very good, we love Pakistan. Thank
00:26:32you, how has the Iranian leadership rule being
00:26:36so far? I think they generally mean
00:26:40in the region leadership
00:26:44and I have no
00:26:48second thought about the fact that the man of
00:26:51peace.
00:27:54a job very well done by civil and military leadership and at
00:27:58the same time they were able to rally the support the people of
00:28:01Pakistani. to stand firmly behind the arm for policy the Israeli
00:28:05occupation regime which is to ethnically cleanse the palestinian
00:28:09people by ending any feature of life for them. Israel
00:28:13is a criminal, a
00:28:15full stop, we can't say any other thing. evidence should be shown about the
00:28:19palgam, india could never produce it, pakistan had to
00:28:23then respond that and pakistan did that with
00:28:26very very mared capacity. india has
00:28:30actually taken up fight with all its neighbors,
00:28:33Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Pakistan and even with
00:28:37China. Responsible power is not the absence of force, it
00:28:41is the disciplined and calibrated use of
00:28:44force.
00:28:53From the vibrant colors and cultures of South Asia to its voices
00:28:57of resilience and
00:28:58progress. Every.
00:29:02Story carries a lesson for the world, to the cross roads of central
00:29:06Asia where ancient silk road is now a highway of
00:29:09trade ideas and possibilities for the
00:29:12future, the challenges and hopes the middle
00:29:15east and north africa, region where the past still
00:29:19speaks, the future is being
00:29:23written every single
00:29:25day, and the ideas
00:29:29shaping the west, innovation,
00:29:33and the power to influence global
00:29:35change. The future is
00:29:39not limited by boundaries, it's defined beyond
00:29:42borders. Join me on this very journey only
00:29:46on Pakistan
00:29:47TV.
00:30:26Hello and very warm welcome to Pakistan TV, I fizza sajav with the top
00:30:30stories of this hour, let's begin with.
00:30:50Prime Minister Shahbas Sharif arrives in Saudi Arabia a three-day visit to
00:30:54meet Cround Prince Mohammad bin Salman on bilateral ties and regional
00:30:57issues. Field marshall say Assim.