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00:00:00in the context that the entire international law
00:00:03is questioned. I mean, if the president
00:00:07of the United States says he does not need international
00:00:10law, if you know the
00:00:13of entire body
00:00:15of of law is not
00:00:16of being uphold, you can make sanctions against the ICC
00:00:20for ruling on something which is absolutely in their
00:00:23duty and and obligation to
00:00:25of rule, we are looking a
00:00:27of lawless situation, and I think... "that is why I have been
00:00:31arguing for the last several years
00:00:35of of that we urgently need new international security architecture,
00:00:39because international law and the the order, as it
00:00:42emerged after the end
00:00:44of the cold war, where there was an attempt to establish an
00:00:47unilateral dominance of certain
00:00:51countries, that clearly is falling apart,
00:00:55if you look at the so-called middle east, southwest Asia, the
00:00:58entire security..." architecture, as it existed
00:01:02before the United States and
00:01:05Israel started
00:01:05the two wars against Iran, is also
00:01:08disintegrating, so for the for southeast Asia
00:01:12there is an urgent need to have new security
00:01:15of architecture, which you must
00:01:18be guaranteeing naturally
00:01:22the rights
00:01:23of the palestinians a palestinian
00:01:25state, it must provide however economic
00:01:30development for all countries, because the only name for peace is
00:01:34development, so I think that we are
00:01:36in a an unbelievable
00:01:38of turmol where people have to review that the policies which
00:01:42existed up to now clearly have
00:01:45failed, the order has fallen apart, the new
00:01:49order is not yet there, but I
00:01:51think
00:01:54the the the everything has to start with the idea that international
00:01:58law must be uphold. "this is why
00:02:01the UN charter must be respected, the
00:02:04of Geneva Convention, the instruments
00:02:10of of the UN like of the ICC and the International Court of Justice,
00:02:11the they must be respected
00:02:14of as absolute authority, because otherwise we are in great
00:02:18danger of falling into anarchy on the whole
00:02:21of globe. Absolutely. Miss Helga Zepla Rush, founder Shilla
00:02:28in in Institute, thank you very much for being with us on this episode of unfolds, we really appreciate you. taking time out sir, coming back to you one last question,
00:02:32talk about the diet humanitarian crisis that has been
00:02:37of unfolding in Gaza in
00:02:38a particular, now we know for fact there haven't
00:02:42been
00:02:42a ample supplies when it
00:02:44of comes to the medicines, also when we talk
00:02:47about the lack of access to the clean drinking
00:02:51of water, from the very basic communities
00:02:52of of life over there, with with the kind of given
00:02:56approach on the part
00:02:58of the Europeans in the kind of approach. the strategy in the Trump administration
00:03:01as well and also how Israelies have been
00:03:05going about in order to criticize and also coming hard
00:03:09on what the UN UN's policy and its
00:03:13subsidiary agencies work in Gaza
00:03:17of was concerned. What is the way forward when it comes to
00:03:20alleviating the suffering
00:03:22of the Gazans amit this entire
00:03:25humanitarian crisis? Egypt of
00:03:28course has a great role. and that Egypt along with other arab
00:03:32countries and
00:03:33of Israel of course has been pushing backward
00:03:36our all of our efforts to push inward
00:03:40the supplies and all the humanitarian aid for our
00:03:44of father in palestinians and there has been push and
00:03:47pull between us on the
00:03:51of borders
00:03:52of especially across the raf the rafa crossing
00:03:55border and we have managed to get into to get the supplies and
00:03:59the into the gas for the
00:04:03Palestinian people and we're still actually pushing
00:04:07with the
00:04:08of sharms peace plan and um we
00:04:12do need more international society pressure
00:04:15on Israel that's why we do need the EU and more
00:04:19pressure on the Israeli part
00:04:21of because we're talk we're talking about very small
00:04:25area of land the Gaza strip and it's totally
00:04:29destructed. with 1 million half people
00:04:32among dead bodies on the
00:04:36sides and only the sea in front
00:04:38of them, only in the Mediterranean in front
00:04:41of them, so Egypt as a state has been pushing and
00:04:44pushing with our efforts, diplomatic efforts and we have
00:04:48managed to get
00:04:50a some infrastructure tools and
00:04:54workers and so to rebuild gaza, but we do
00:04:58need more international. society pressure, especially
00:05:02of today with Trump jeeperdizing world peace with the
00:05:05Iranian war, and not only that, also
00:05:08threatening international court of justice today.
00:05:12and and threating that that there would be no such
00:05:16authority in the world threatening that there would be no
00:05:20international law in the world, so god
00:05:24knows what will happen with one million and a half people in Gaza, only the sea
00:05:28in front them with no more international society
00:05:32pressure on Israel to have those people still alive
00:05:35on their land. Masara Kira, expert international relations,
00:05:39founder the European North African center for research, thank you. very much for taking time
00:05:43out for unfold tonight,
00:05:45we really appreciate that, with that we come to the end the first segment of
00:05:48today's show. into the second segment, we are going to
00:05:52understand what is exact exactly happening when it comes
00:05:55to the US Iran conflict is concerned, we know for fact that
00:05:59Washington has decided to postpone any fresh
00:06:03strikes against Iran until after the midterm elections,
00:06:06also when we talk about there are there are increased
00:06:10attacks by the Houti rebels against King of Saudi Arabia, kingdom of Saudi
00:06:14Arabia has befittingly responded to this
00:06:17particular aggression on the part of Futi rebels, also that
00:06:21commitment of standing behind the kingdom
00:06:25of Saudi Arabia, coming from Pakistan as well as
00:06:29Turkey, all these three countries entered into a
00:06:33mutual defense agreement, Makka defense
00:06:36agreement and Pakistan has already deployed its
00:06:40troops over there. that has been confirmed by the DJI
00:06:44SPR, also Pakistan's commitment when it comes to ensuring the
00:06:47sovereignty, territorial integrity and overall security the kingdom
00:06:51of Saudi Arabia, we know for fact both turkey
00:06:54and Pakistan had
00:06:58given that applause when it comes to the vigilance and preparedness of kingdom of Saudi
00:07:02Arabia in dealing and thorting this threat by the
00:07:06auti rebels, also we know for fact there was already a destruction as far as the
00:07:10state of Homus is concerned, also uncertainity
00:07:13around Red Sea as well as Babel Mander, we have already
00:07:17seen the consequences all around the globe in terms the economic
00:07:21consequences also with the increased oil prices, the rising
00:07:25shipping costs also manifesting into
00:07:28inflation, at the same time we have
00:07:32seen the regional countries trying their utmost in order to
00:07:36bring the situation back to some sort
00:07:40of normalcy through the diplomate. intervention
00:07:43we know for fact Pakistan played a pivoted role when it came to deescalating the
00:07:47situation between Iran and the US, its commitment on
00:07:50one side with the kingdom of Saudi Arabia, security also
00:07:54urging for the deescalation the situation.
00:07:58What does that exactly means and what are the chances of
00:08:01diplomacy taking precedence or lead in comparison
00:08:05to the military escalation,
00:08:07that is the key question we are going to understand, for that we are honored to
00:08:11been joined by Mr. Joe. Hood, former acting secretary of
00:08:15state for near Eastern affairs. Mr.
00:08:18Hood, thank you very much for being with us on the show tonight, really appreciate
00:08:22that. Also, we are honored to being joined by Dr. Stephen Turner, he is
00:08:26analyst geopolitical Affairs. Dr. Turner, thank you very much for your time also for
00:08:30being with us on the show tonight, really appreciate that ambassador. I'll
00:08:34begin with you, what sense should we be
00:08:38making of this decision on the part of Washington
00:08:42to post? postpone the new strikes against Iran until after
00:08:46the midterm elections. Well, thank you for having
00:08:49me. I think that Donald Trump wants to do a couple of things. First, he
00:08:53wants to remind the regime in Tehran that military
00:08:57action is still an option, and that they
00:09:00should consider that in terms their
00:09:03diplomacy. And second, I think he wants to
00:09:07make sure that the American public and the oil markets understand
00:09:11that he's not. going to do anything that's going to
00:09:15cause oil prices to spike even temporarily
00:09:18between now and the final day the election on November
00:09:213rd, because most Americans are not
00:09:25following the day-to-day of this war,
00:09:29you see interviews of people on the street in various media outlets
00:09:32and some the people are only vaguely
00:09:36aware that there is a war with Iran, but what they're very
00:09:39aware of is how much they're spending to put gasoline in their vehicles
00:09:43every day. Americans drive average about 50
00:09:47kilometers a day to get to work, so this is
00:09:51something that American voters feel very acutely,
00:09:54and uh, so Donald Trump is not going to want to do anything that's going to
00:09:58cause them to feel more pain at the
00:10:02gasoline pump uh before they go to the
00:10:05elections for the Congress and the Senate
00:10:09on November 3rd. Please do correct me. If I am
00:10:12wrong, I I watched one the clips of Mr. President Donald
00:10:16Trump when he was asked about the question
00:10:20regarding the diesel coming from from Russia, now he is thank
00:10:24president put in on that particular front, is that correct and
00:10:27what sort of an impact it is going to have when it comes to President Trump
00:10:31saying that there is lot of oil that is going to come in
00:10:35America in the coming days, do you think it's going to have
00:10:39a considerable relief for the citizens and could perhaps
00:10:41sway in in the general public
00:10:45opinion when it comes to the lowest approval ratings for president Donald Trump just
00:10:49before the November midterm elections? the short
00:10:53answer is no, this is not enough diesel to
00:10:57make any effect on the uh world market
00:11:00and prices in the United States are set by world market prices,
00:11:04not by simply what supply we have inside the
00:11:08United States, so um, I think if the
00:11:12president was hoping to have an effect on the
00:11:15futures trading and and the price of diesel from day
00:11:19today, that has already failed, and I don't think
00:11:23that these deliveries of diesel are... going to have enough time even to
00:11:26have an effect on the market uh, because you know voting
00:11:30is already underway, most states allow some
00:11:34form of early voting, absent voting, so
00:11:38lot of Americans have already cast their ballots or are getting
00:11:42ready to do so in the next couple of weeks, so even
00:11:45if uh these deliveries were to have an effect sometime
00:11:49toward the end of October, that probably would be too late for many
00:11:53voters, exactly you. is well taken, please stay with us
00:11:56ambassadorhood, let me bring in Dr. Turner into the discussion also. Dr.
00:12:00Turner, what's your understanding when we try to analyze as to what are
00:12:04the stakes with the for the Donald Trump's
00:12:07administration at this point in time, just before the
00:12:11midterm elections happen in November with Iran conflict
00:12:15is concerned?
00:12:17Well, the Trump administration
00:12:20is running scared at this point, I mean the the Republican Party.
00:12:25is anticipating major losses in the elections for both the US
00:12:29house of representatives and for the US senate, and
00:12:33so the president is trying to find a way to minimize those
00:12:36losses, if not try to make some gains, by making even his foreign
00:12:40policy geared toward lowering gas prices,
00:12:44that's
00:12:44a very strange way to be acting um, at least - for
00:12:48example, if I were in the military a forward deployed
00:12:52naval vessel or a base around Iran, and I heard the president say
00:12:56that he was not going to strike Iran until the middle
00:13:00of November because the elections, I would be
00:13:04very concerned, because in the meantime, it kind of gives the
00:13:07Iranian military and the IRGC an opportunity to build up their
00:13:11capacity to launch to launch attacks, to put things in motion and even to
00:13:15launch attacks with without the threat the United
00:13:18States um being willing to strike back, and that's very confusing,
00:13:22I mean I don't believe that if Iran were to... strike a US base then the United
00:13:26States would refrain from striking back, but to try to put
00:13:30the the war in between the United States and Iran and context
00:13:34of election campaigning is is very is very
00:13:37weird, and further more the efforts
00:13:40to you know lower the price of diesel by
00:13:44buying diesel or allowing Russia to sell
00:13:48diesel to the global market, and a time when eum
00:13:52Europe is a war with Russia fighting against Ukraine.
00:13:55"and the United States is at war with Iran who's also receiving intelligence
00:13:59and support from Russia is very strange because it it
00:14:02effectively um aiding the enemy a war where we're
00:14:06fighting against them, Russia is not an ally the United
00:14:10States, so these are these are very interesting choices to be
00:14:13making coming up coming up to an election from foreign policy
00:14:17standpoint. Dr. Turn, that is exactly the point I'm
00:14:21curious to understand you about when it comes to President Donald Trump."
00:14:25talking of and thanking president Putin for sending in the diesel.
00:14:29now there was an earlier stance when it comes to Trump's administration regarding
00:14:33Russian oil, more specifically when we talk about
00:14:36India. now he had been saying about
00:14:40it that that oil was actually fueling the Ukraine
00:14:43war. now at this point in time is thanking president
00:14:47Putin for sending in the diesel. so with this
00:14:51contradiction, do you how do you think it's going to play out for the voters?
00:14:55just when they are about to go for the midterm
00:14:58elections, well the the voting public in
00:15:02the United States is very polarized, and that's by
00:15:05design, so I i'm certain that the
00:15:09you know people that are opposed to the current administration are going
00:15:13to take these statements and become further infuriated by
00:15:16them, and and it'll help galvanize them to to vote against him, but his
00:15:20supporters, if there even going to be if if
00:15:24the... media that reports um that is
00:15:28washed by trump supporters even reports on these issues they will minimize
00:15:32them or change them so that it plays well well for them so
00:15:36mean "the reality is less
00:15:40important in the in in when it comes to campaigning than
00:15:43the way that the campaigners are able to spend
00:15:47right, coming back to you ambassador hood, when we try to
00:15:51analyze Trump administration's policy ever since this invasion
00:15:55happened on 28th of February, is there any
00:15:58specified pattern that we can develop after looking at what President
00:16:02Trump has done on this front or do we see back and
00:16:06forth" contradictions and statements and actions and
00:16:10do you see any any aspect the entire
00:16:13strategy working out? because clearly we see Iranians
00:16:17rejecting any sort of a pressure, rejecting any sort
00:16:21of military pressure or coersion,
00:16:24yet on the other side they remain open to dialogue
00:16:28but not under pressure and coersion, so
00:16:31if this sort of a strategy or pattern
00:16:35of strategy on the Trump part of... Trump Trump's administration did not
00:16:39work out throughout so far, so how do you think
00:16:43this policy of maximum pressure going to work out in
00:16:47future and how he is going to get something out of
00:16:51it to show to the public that at the end the day that he had got some sort
00:16:55of victory? Well, as career
00:16:58diplomat i would disagree with you, I don't see any signs that the
00:17:02regime is ready for dialogue, what they're ready for is
00:17:06capitulation. "and that is true of President Trump as
00:17:10well, uh, that's why we see them issuing uh
00:17:14seven-point statements about all the things the United States needs to
00:17:17do in order for Iran then to enter into uh
00:17:21discussions again, and these include uh things
00:17:25that are, I think normal and reasonable for a
00:17:29dialogue, which would be unfreezing
00:17:32Iran's frozen assets uh,
00:17:35and stopping..." uh the naval blockade
00:17:39in exchange for Iran no longer firing on commercial
00:17:43ships in those waters uh, but it also
00:17:47includes completely ridiculous uh requirements such
00:17:51as ending the war on all fronts, and what they mean
00:17:55by that, as we discovered after the demise the
00:17:59memorandum of understanding, is that Israel has to stop
00:18:03fighting Hezbollah, the Lebanese government has to stop fighting
00:18:06Hezbollah, "the Iraqi government has to stop fighting Iran's
00:18:10militias there, the regime
00:18:13in in
00:18:16the the huti regime in Yemen needs to be given cart
00:18:20blanche in that country, this
00:18:23is ridiculous,
00:18:24I mean the United
00:18:25States government cannot speak for all these
00:18:28other sovereign governments when it makes a deal with
00:18:32Iran, and that's exactly what Iran is demanding in order to
00:18:36move to an. actual diplomatic discussion,
00:18:40so those
00:18:40are all that's just non those are non-starters, so I don't think
00:18:44that the Iranians are actually ready for dialogue
00:18:48that part of already signed mou, although it fell
00:18:52apart the islam memorandum of understanding, but the
00:18:55yemen front was pretty much part of that and the US pretty much
00:18:59agreed to that, wasn't that the case?
00:19:03no, those were separate things, it was the leban, seek your pardon, it was the...
00:19:07lebanon lebanon front again,
00:19:11no, I think that President Trump fully
00:19:15intends on, not getting
00:19:19in the way of governments like Israel or Lebanon
00:19:23or Iraq in taking over
00:19:27the full sovereignty their own
00:19:30countries, I don't think any American president would
00:19:34stand in the way of that, so I think for the... Iranians to
00:19:38be demanding that, they know that that's a non-starter, and I think it
00:19:41shows that they're just not serious about a real conversation, a real
00:19:45discussion with the United States government about a long-term modus for
00:19:49vendi, so so so as per your
00:19:52understanding, given this assessment of yours, what is
00:19:56behind this, what is, what is the motivation when it comes
00:20:00to Iran's government's approach towards this whole crisis
00:20:04concerned, why are they serious for your understanding? when it comes
00:20:08to the serious negotiations or striking any sort of
00:20:11sustainable agreement with the US is concerned?
00:20:15well, I have the interesting
00:20:18opportunity of sitting with Iranian commentators
00:20:21in various media platforms and I've been doing
00:20:25so over the past six months on regular basis.
00:20:29now we know
00:20:30that these commentators generally receive their talking points from the revolutionary
00:20:34guard, so what we hear from them, I think we can understand.
00:20:50take over, we own the straight of Hormus now, we
00:20:53have hegemany where you have lost it, this
00:20:57is like the SUS moment for the United
00:21:00Kingdom, they used to be the security guarantor the
00:21:03region, then it had to pass to the United States, now it's
00:21:07passing to us, Iran, that's the very clear
00:21:10message, and I don't think anyone in the world
00:21:13frankly signs up to that, which is why
00:21:17there hasn't been any government in the world that has put out
00:21:20supportive of teran's positions right ambassador hood,
00:21:24let me take this very interesting point to Dr. Turner also Dr.
00:21:28Turner, what's your assessment, are the Iranians
00:21:32to enter into negotiations for any sustainable agreement with the US, and also
00:21:36do
00:21:37you do you think if the Iranians consider it as Swiss canal
00:21:41moment
00:21:42for for them v the straight of homose
00:21:45crisis? Well, I can certainly see why
00:21:49the Iranian. consider to have won the conflict, at least at
00:21:52this stage, the United States has not been able to stop them from
00:21:56blocking the street of war moves, they haven't been able to get the
00:22:00Iranians to stop shooting missiles and rockets at
00:22:04their gulf neighbors or at American military bases, and even
00:22:08though the United States and and Israel have
00:22:10destroyed much of
00:22:13Iran's air force and
00:22:16long long um distance. military
00:22:20capabilities and most likely it's nuclear
00:22:23program, Iran has pulled the trump card in by even
00:22:27just threatening to block the formus, they've put, they've effectively
00:22:31imposed crippling sanctions on the global economy, especially the United States, I
00:22:35mean the Trump administration strategy of imposing further sanctions
00:22:39is not really going to move the needle at all, the United States has been imposing sanctions
00:22:43on the Islamic Republic since 1979, it's
00:22:47over 45 years, the only way that united states really
00:22:51could expect to change the outcome the
00:22:54situation is by um
00:22:58significantly increasing the scope the conflict, and I don't think the
00:23:01United States currently is willing to do anything the sort, so
00:23:05really Iran has no need to set
00:23:09realistic negotiations, I mean they know the
00:23:13United States has been negotiating with them for several decades, it knows
00:23:17what the Iranian regimes and until the... United States is ready
00:23:21to give Iran those things, Iran has no need
00:23:25to change the way it's been acting, doesn't have reason
00:23:28to to lift the blockade, the blockade, it doesn't have
00:23:32reason to negotiate in good faith,
00:23:36so we'll see, I mean Iran can sit out, can
00:23:40continue this situation and keep the status quo for years if it needs
00:23:43to, the they have no
00:23:45reason, right, Dr. Stephen
00:23:49Turner. analyst geopolitical affairs, thank you very much for taking time out for unfold tonight, we
00:23:53really appreciate that, one last question, mean
00:23:57whatever is happening, i understand from
00:24:01you are coming, all of those point make huge
00:24:05sense, do we understand any the regional mediators
00:24:08including pakistan which played a pivot role when it came to the signing
00:24:12of Islamabad mou, also lot of efforts being put
00:24:16in by Qatar, Egypt, also lot of emphasis on the part of
00:24:21Is there any sort of leverage with any these mediators
00:24:25to perhaps bring back both the sides once again to the
00:24:28negotiating table or what
00:24:31would
00:24:39it breaking news coming our way where the prime minister of pakistan shahbas sharif has strongly
00:24:43condemned the henous acts from the hoothi rebels the attacks
00:24:47on the Saudi Arabian Kingdom. targeted the civilians
00:24:51as the prime minister condemns the civilian infrastructure that
00:24:55has been damaged by the hoothi rebels, the militia attacked on the radh
00:24:58airport expresses deepest condolences to the
00:25:02berieved families. the prime minister of pakistan shahbas sharif
00:25:06calls huti malitia attacks on civilian infrastructure out
00:25:10as the prime minister strongly condemns the henous attacks by the
00:25:13hoothies. praise for the families who have lost their loved
00:25:17ones and solidarity. the kingdom of Saudi
00:25:21Arabia, the Prime Minister of Pakistan has
00:25:25strongly condemned the heinous attacks by the hutis as prime minister
00:25:28expresses deepest condolences with the families and stands in unwaving
00:25:32solidarity with Saudi Arabia its leadership and its people. The prime minister of
00:25:36Pakistan Shahbas Sharif reaffirms Pakistan's full support to the kingdom of
00:25:40Saudi Arabia as he
00:25:41expresses deepest
00:25:45condolences. He said that Pakistan stands in unwavoring solidarity with the
00:25:49Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. its leadership and brotherly people in accordance with the
00:25:52maka joint defense agreement. he said that the attacks
00:25:56targeted the civilians and critical infrastructure that are completely
00:25:59unacceptable and constitute a serious threat. to regional peace and
00:26:03stability, such acts of violence which are a flagrant violation of
00:26:07international law must seiz immediately. The Prime Minister of
00:26:10Pakistan said that Pakistan stands in unwavoring solidarity with the kingdom of Saudi
00:26:14Arabia and its leadership. He condemned the heanous
00:26:18attacks by the Huti militia and the King Khalid
00:26:21International Airport and Riyadh and said that we extend deepest condolences to the
00:26:25berieved families and pray for their swift and full recovery the
00:26:28injured.
00:26:32More news coming your way, on the our, but after a short break, stay tuned to
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00:28:58they do not exist, let's be very frank, they do not exist in their...
00:30:18Hello and welcome to Pakistan TV, live from Islamabad studios. I am Sn
00:30:22Haqani. Let's have look at the
00:30:24headline.
00:30:40At least 12 people have been killed and 309 others wounded in
00:30:44attack on king Khalid international airport in
00:30:47Riyadh.
00:30:54The Prime Minister Shabbas Sharif strongly condemns the healthy militias attack on King Khalid
00:30:58International Airport in Riyadh.