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00:00:00at the sunni world uh and and it's come to firation, we've seen that
00:00:04just on the attacks that Iran has been willing to do during the Gulf war and
00:00:07Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Saudi Arabia and the like and the United Arab
00:00:11Emirates, and and now we've certainly seen it in terms of
00:00:15of indirectly through the hoothies by them attacking uh Saudi
00:00:18Arabia, so you don't think Iran is that
00:00:21mediator simply because they're behind this, it's it's to their benefit
00:00:25right now to create second front uh
00:00:28of and the huthies are willing to do that now, just quickly add here, the
00:00:31the the hoothies act in many different ways, clearly their chief backer is
00:00:35in Iran, but obviously they have their own interests, so this is just one
00:00:39angle, they had a
00:00:40of long-term war against
00:00:41of Saudi Arabia, but they're also willing to be allies to help Iran out
00:00:45because in their minds it helps them out. Okay, Mark, I'll come back to you,
00:00:49we are honored to being joined by another participant, Miss Lee and Jarens
00:00:53zenter at al arabia English, lave, thank you very much for being with
00:00:57us, once again
00:00:58of taking time out for unfold really. appreciate you being with us once
00:01:02again, a very critical moment when there
00:01:05are
00:01:06a direct strikes against the civilian infrastructure by the
00:01:09hoothies inside kingdom of Saudi
00:01:12of Arabia, could you give us an understanding what's the situation right now,
00:01:16there are reports
00:01:17of the civil civil aviation
00:01:20disruption there as well visa with
00:01:23of this airport as well, hundreds of lies either been cancelled
00:01:27or diverted, what's the situation on the ground? as we
00:01:30speak, good evening to
00:01:33of you, so the situation on the ground is that we have had
00:01:37of official confirmation today from the civil aviation
00:01:41authority that injuries have been reported
00:01:45of once again at the international airport here in
00:01:48Riad, King Harlad
00:01:51of airport, there was a missile strike on the airport
00:01:55terminal 4, this was intercepted, however it did
00:01:59cause fire. so we are getting reports of injuries
00:02:02once again at the airport and of course this comes after
00:02:06yesterday's strike on the airport inside of
00:02:10Riyad which killed um 12 people but also
00:02:13injured more than 300 and nine people and we're
00:02:17a just getting reports out now the Indian embassy has come
00:02:21of forward and said one of its citizens who was in
00:02:25that
00:02:26a deadly blast yesterday has now succumbed to injuries.
00:02:30and lost his life, so that puts the death toll of yesterday's
00:02:34attack up to 13, and it's been a really
00:02:37tragic day in Saudi
00:02:40of yesterday, we lost a four Saudi citizens were killed,
00:02:44a US citizen was killed along with many other
00:02:47of nationalities in that blast that happened, but today, as the
00:02:51aviation authority is saying, they did
00:02:54of intercept the cruise missile, right now, at the moment,
00:02:58damage has been assessed. at the airport, operations at the
00:03:02airport are not um are are
00:03:05ceased right now, so as we know that if you want to take
00:03:09a flight out of read, the best thing to do is contact your
00:03:13airline, also check in with the government and with your
00:03:16embassy and um of course see what's happening, and on
00:03:20Thursday three people were also killed in a strike
00:03:24on the airport, so right now we are also
00:03:28seeing that there's been a real esc.
00:03:30of relation and we have had our reporters and teams at the
00:03:34of hospital today inside of Riyad
00:03:36of along with the Saudi health minister visiting the
00:03:39victims from yesterday's airport
00:03:43of blast and um seeing the extent
00:03:45of the injuries. okay so Lee we do
00:03:48understand there is a statement on the part
00:03:51of the Saudi Lad coalition in response to this attack
00:03:55especially on this airport we we see pattern that has
00:03:59developed. on the part
00:04:00of the huties when it comes to striking the critical
00:04:05of infrastructure, whether it be the infrastructure
00:04:08related to oil, whether it comes to the
00:04:11airports, clearly happen to be
00:04:14of the civilian
00:04:15of interest
00:04:16of now, given that fact the the saudi coalition has
00:04:20pleged decisive response and
00:04:24describe this action as a full fledged war
00:04:27crime, what could be the manifest? station of that,
00:04:31of first of all, and secondly, when we talk about the security of
00:04:35of such of civilian infrastructure, including the
00:04:38airports, infrastructure related to
00:04:41oil,
00:04:43of what, what are the preparation levels when it comes
00:04:47of to think such type of aggressive acts on
00:04:51the part of
00:04:52of voodies?
00:04:54of just to reiterate, it's been a really sad moment in
00:04:58Riad over the... the last few days as the hoothis escalate
00:05:02attacks on civilian infrastructure, people are
00:05:05losing their lives,
00:05:07of riad is continuing as normal to some extent, it's
00:05:11conference and event season, so we do see those go ahead,
00:05:15but the Saudi Lad coalition, as you said, has condemned
00:05:19yesterday's attack, and they've called it a fully fledged war
00:05:22crime, and it's on civilian infrastructure. right now,
00:05:26there is going to be decisive response, what that decisive response
00:05:30looks like is not clear at the moment, there are
00:05:34of course some options available to Saudi Arabia,
00:05:38they are backing Yemen's international government at the
00:05:41moment in... fight against the hoothies inside of Yemen back
00:05:45on Monday we saw the al um the three
00:05:48countries, Turkey, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia who are
00:05:52part the Mecca Defense Alliance, they all met
00:05:56each other, there was an emergency meeting, they agreed to
00:05:59activate that pact, so right now we're just seeing wheels get
00:06:03into motion when it comes into that, but also we have a look
00:06:06inside of Yemen, we have seen the Yeameni government
00:06:10forces and the Saudi coalition. retake some of
00:06:14that critical area that the hooties managed to
00:06:18overcome last month, so we've seen them retake
00:06:22babal mendeb straight, of course, mocka on the red sea, which
00:06:26is really important because we must remember the babamendeb
00:06:29straight is vital when it comes to oil
00:06:33transit, when it comes to shipping, it's one the major toak points and as we
00:06:37know Iran is also trying to choke off the straight of
00:06:41homos at the moment. and what's interesting is if you have look at
00:06:44the geography the Babandeb straight, it's very
00:06:48flat, so um the Saudi Led coalition and the dawn
00:06:52of Yemen managed to make gains along
00:06:54there, right, right, Mark coming
00:06:58back to you, leave, please stay with us, Mark, when we talk about
00:07:02the civilian infrastructure in particular, what could be the ideal
00:07:06options with the kingdom right now in order to defend
00:07:10those, in order to ensure the safety? security of this critical
00:07:14civilian infrastructure such as the airports and
00:07:17the oil related
00:07:19infrastructure. let
00:07:23me echo my uh fellow guest panelist comments, it's a sad day uh when
00:07:27any civilians are harmed in armed conflict, and I would
00:07:31argue this isn't just armed conflict, it's a terrorist attack that has
00:07:34now caused 13 deaths as she's reporting uh in Saudi
00:07:38Arabia, including one US individual. unfortunately Saudi...
00:07:42Arabia is facing what many countries are right now, not just in the Gulf, but
00:07:45obviously Ukraine for instance as well, where there simply are not enough
00:07:49air defense assets to protect everything, and from a
00:07:53military standpoint and from economic standpoint, Saudi
00:07:57Arabia is trying to protect its military assets as well as its oil
00:08:01pipeline, which is its revenue for survival that's so critical, especially
00:08:05that east-west pipeline, because uh without it as well as
00:08:09without free shipping uh through the red sea via the uh
00:08:13Straight as well, uh, Saudi Arabia has been forced to be routing the tankers
00:08:17through the cape of good hope uh, down around the Horn of
00:08:20Africa uh, so that's not good. I i don't know that
00:08:24there are any immediate uh answers to it because there's such a high
00:08:27demand for air defense assets at this point in time. I know
00:08:31Pakistan itself has supplied air defense assets. I know you've got
00:08:358,00 troops from past uh, you military
00:08:38agreements on the ground inside of
00:08:41uh of uh Saudi Arabia to try to protect the kingdom, but it's going to take
00:08:45more, and there's just the shortage these type of interceptors, because I don't think the
00:08:49Houties are going to stop. They have to fight an asymmetrical war
00:08:53against Saudi Arabia, and they can't likely make a big impact
00:08:57on military installations uh in the kingdom, but they
00:09:00can, do these heinous type attacks, as your own Pakistani uh
00:09:04Prime Minister Shaz said, they can commit these quote unquote heinous
00:09:08attacks against civilian sites and I think they'll continue to do that. I think the
00:09:12best. defense sadly in this case is for Saudi Arabi to go on the
00:09:15offense uh and to use his amec partners as quickly as they can
00:09:19uh to take the fight to the hoothies and not wait um take the as
00:09:23is we like to say in military analysis take the archer out the person
00:09:27firing these missiles uh don't try to intercept the missiles each time
00:09:31because that archer has many more missiles uh that you can deny
00:09:35him use of if you take him out
00:09:38right now president Donald Trump was
00:09:41asked there could be a possibility the US involvement
00:09:45militarily, he responded by saying we
00:09:47may. now this response, how is being
00:09:51it has been received in Saudi Arabia and what are the expectations
00:09:55the Saudies when it comes to the US in this
00:09:59regard? I just want to reflect something the
00:10:03panelist said just before me when it comes to protecting
00:10:06civilian infrastructure, just from what I'm hearing from the
00:10:10ground and what I'm aware of. is yesterday there
00:10:14were several missiles fired towards the airport a
00:10:17rapid rate and um it's very difficult
00:10:21I think you know as you did say redeploying.
00:10:25um these patriot missile systems to certain areas -
00:10:28because um Saudi Arabia is absolutely vast um as your panelist
00:10:32did say and also just the volume of
00:10:36attacks has um been something which has surprised many,
00:10:40especially someone who lives here like um myself,
00:10:44but yes we did hear from President Donald Trump of course no
00:10:47definitive answer from President Donald Trump, he
00:10:51said he might he might not, so we haven't actually got a...
00:10:55decision yet from the US, so we're still waiting on
00:10:59that decision, of course Marco Rubio to also
00:11:02condemned what had happened at the international airport
00:11:06here, came out and said that we stand with Saudi, Saudi are
00:11:09allies and we do know that, but it's going to be really interesting to
00:11:13see what the US does at the moment, and the reason for that is of course they
00:11:17currently in negotiations with Iran, I know Iran has responded
00:11:21to the US response on the seven-day straight of Hamos proposed.
00:11:25and they said that the US response is insufficient, so we know right
00:11:29now the US is waiting for response
00:11:33um from Iran, they've got that, it's probably not looking
00:11:37like that is going to lead to an agreement, and we must remember President Donald
00:11:41Trump right now is facing those mid-term elections in November, he's got
00:11:44a choice to make domestically, it's highly
00:11:48unpopular in the US, his war with Iran,
00:11:51and I think the coming days and weeks will tell us. what's going to
00:11:55happen because the mecha defense alliance,
00:11:58the plan is obviously to mobilize equipment as quickly as
00:12:01possible and to get that interposition and the dawn of yemen
00:12:05attacks and the dawnment of Yemen operation apologies which has
00:12:09been led by the Yeameni government and the Saudi led coalition from the
00:12:13air could make major gains, so it's a weight and see
00:12:16holding pattern here, every time I speak to analys, they say that's a
00:12:20situation we're in right, one quick
00:12:24last question. from you mark, does diplomacy stand any chance when
00:12:28it comes to de-escalating the situation between the hoothies and the
00:12:32kingdom?
00:12:37i think your guest panelist is saying it exactly
00:12:40right, this is a stailmate at this point in time, it's also
00:12:44kind of a quagmar uh in part because the US elections
00:12:48iran is betting uh that they can win this war uh by
00:12:52uh weakening president trump at the polls and while he's may be winken that's
00:12:55not going to stop him as commander and chief uh from being able to order or having
00:12:59the capacity to order uh
00:13:01you know future strikes I would say just quickly and defense
00:13:04in the the kingdom of Saudi Arabia I would hope that the US would do
00:13:08more uh this kind of attack is unacceptable and I would ask quickly
00:13:12point out one their aspect to all of this uh it is creating an interesting
00:13:16dynamic because Pakistan up to now has acted as mediator
00:13:19between the US and Iran and for mediator you need to be objective but
00:13:23at Pakistan is now the fight to the hoothies uh directly or
00:13:27indirectly in yemen uh suddenly you're participant especially
00:13:31if uh as i you know argue that it is a ran that's behind
00:13:34the the attacks so everything is kind of spinning out of
00:13:38control even though for now up until the midterms suspect for the most
00:13:41part it to be a stalemate mr mark
00:13:45d co-founder at interrupt 360 thank you very much for taking
00:13:49time out for unfold tonight really appreciate that lee and jarence
00:13:53presenter
00:13:54at al Thank you very much for your timely for being with us on unfold tonight, really
00:13:58appreciate you also taking time out, with that we come to the end
00:14:01the first segment of today's show, in the second segment we
00:14:05are going to understand as to what is
00:14:09exactly the Indian authority, the led by Bharatiya
00:14:13janata party government of course led by its prime minister
00:14:16Narendra Modi is doing with massive demonstrations
00:14:20and the protests which have erupted in number of cities
00:14:24most pr'. merily when we talk about New Delhi and
00:14:27Mumbai, especially when we talk about the government
00:14:31crackdown against the protest testers in
00:14:34Delhi, Delhi has been put under the
00:14:37extreme security restrictions, now what
00:14:41does that actually signif when the people are protesting against
00:14:45an exercise by the election commission of
00:14:48India in connivance with the federal authorities,
00:14:52which is of course as have already mention. Bharatiya party
00:14:56led by its
00:14:57prime minister Narendra Modi when it comes to revising
00:15:00intensively the electoral
00:15:03roles. As per number of reports,
00:15:07130 million people's names have
00:15:10been put off the electoral roles. What
00:15:14does that mean? What does that signif and it is
00:15:17happening under the garb the special
00:15:21intensive revision and the election commission? the
00:15:25opposition party say, especially when we talk about Indian National Congress,
00:15:29it's leader Rahul Gandhi, he has been put under brief
00:15:32detention, likewise when we talk about this
00:15:35crackdown, there are rep that more than 10000
00:15:39people have been put under detention, there are barricades
00:15:42and even journalists have been
00:15:45arrested and their mobile phones and their
00:15:49devices have been confiscated by the police and law
00:15:53enforcement agencies over there. the opposition blames
00:15:56bharatiya janata party and the election commission of india
00:16:00going for this exercise in order to
00:16:04eliminate the names the eligible voters most. particularly
00:16:08when we talk about the Muslim voters in order to give
00:16:11a disproportionate advantage to Bharatiya Janata Party
00:16:15and there is pattern in that particular regard in certain
00:16:19constituencies where there was no government of Bharatiya party
00:16:23before such revision of electoral roles, bharatiya janata
00:16:26party came into power after such
00:16:30revision. There are international concerns also being raised
00:16:33regarding this particular exercise on the part the election commission of India.
00:16:38and the Bharatiya Janata Party led government to
00:16:41understand what exactly is happening when we talk about that
00:16:45claim of being the largest democracy in the world, what does
00:16:48this show about the true nature of this so-called
00:16:52largest democracy in the world of India, for that we are
00:16:56honored to being joined by Mr. Khuram Dastagir Khan, he is a
00:17:00former defense and foreign minister of Pakistan.
00:17:03Mr. Khan, thank you very much for being with us on unfold tonight.
00:17:07need to really appreciate that 130
00:17:11million voters names have been struck
00:17:15the electoral roles in India
00:17:18under the so-called special intensive
00:17:22revision the electoral roles. how do
00:17:25you look at this particular act on the part the election
00:17:29commission of India? firstly and also when we talk
00:17:33about its
00:17:36conneivance with the bharat party led government over
00:17:39there, thank you for inviting
00:17:43me, India's democracy is
00:17:46dying, it's been dying for the last 12 years ever
00:17:50since BJP under Narendra Modi took
00:17:53office, but 12 years of dying has
00:17:57brought India's democracy to near
00:18:00fatal or near death state,
00:18:04in which as you just told your view
00:18:07130 million voters are being
00:18:11disenfranchised, for your Pakistani
00:18:14viewers, I'll put it into perspective that the total number of
00:18:18Pakistani voters in 2024 was 136
00:18:22million, so essentially number of
00:18:26voters nearly equal to all of Pakistan's
00:18:29voters is being struck the roles
00:18:32and this is very
00:18:36determined. and deliberate exercise to
00:18:40rig the vote, to finally
00:18:43disenfranchise minorities, particularly muslims and
00:18:46also to use
00:18:50this very selective engineering tool to
00:18:53disenfranchise the new cockroat janta
00:18:57party which is now protesting and its leaders have been
00:19:00arrested, but I think
00:19:02this 130 million
00:19:06Indians being struck the roles is essentially the
00:19:10calmination of a 12 year
00:19:12exercise in which
00:19:15the abolishing the special state of Kashmir,
00:19:19article 370 the Indian constitution back in
00:19:222019 and then afterwards the citizenship act
00:19:26in which again the same exercise was tried in
00:19:29which the citizenship itself the government of India
00:19:33tried to take away again the principal victims of Muslims.
00:19:37"and there is a systematic repression of minorities across
00:19:41India. what has changed, I think this is what in my
00:19:45view has brought India's democracy to near fatal
00:19:48level, that the
00:19:52animous the government, the repression the government has
00:19:56now spread from minorities and
00:19:59Muslims to all those who oppose it, so
00:20:03even Hindus or lower cast Hindus or educated
00:20:07students." "who are now opposing it are facing the same kind of
00:20:10retribution that muslims and minorites have faced
00:20:14in the last 12 years, in fact Muslims in Gujarat
00:20:18faced it a genocidal level at the hands of Narendra
00:20:21Modi back in 2002, but essentially this
00:20:25widening of repression from Muslims to all those
00:20:29who oppose the regime, it has brought India's
00:20:32democracy, and I think it's very difficult to now call it
00:20:35democracy in which this." such widespread repression can
00:20:39take place, exactly, we we see that wide
00:20:42spread resentment among various start the society from muslims
00:20:46it is expanding towards the other.
00:20:50communities as well, when we specifically try to
00:20:53understand as to the international concern
00:20:57and India which claims to be the largest democracy in the
00:21:00world, that there are international covenants when it comes to the
00:21:04universal declaration of human rights, the international covenant on
00:21:08civil and political rights, also
00:21:11the entire world happens to be very sensitive when it comes
00:21:15to the right to vote and such practices that
00:21:19ultimately... to disenfranchisement of such huge
00:21:23chunk of population a certain
00:21:26country, isn't the world
00:21:29cognis, what is exactly happening right now in India
00:21:33and what should it be ideally? the world is sensitive to it, but because
00:21:36of India's size, particularly the size of its economy, and we should
00:21:40never forget the growth rate that it keeps
00:21:44deceiving the world with, in which now there is convincing
00:21:48evidence that India has been... overestimating it growth
00:21:51numbers for again for decades
00:21:54now, but particularly under Bharatiya Janata Party's
00:21:58rule, which I think now again to be
00:22:01perfectly candid should be deemed a Hindutwa government
00:22:05in which
00:22:07it is trying to make sure that through its
00:22:11engineering and repression that it remains in
00:22:14power and the world has taken notice of
00:22:18it, but India's side. and India's economic growth
00:22:21stats still force the world to do business,
00:22:25but as we have seen that there is there is a
00:22:29method to this
00:22:32madness that Narendra Modi is pursuing, but this
00:22:35madness has brought India's slowly bringing
00:22:39India's growth miracle to an
00:22:42end, lot of
00:22:45multinationals and other investments are leaving
00:22:49India and "there is a flip side to this repression is that
00:22:53India's and this Hindutva governments
00:22:56entrenched hatred of Pakistan and its
00:23:00war bungering against Pakistan has also made
00:23:04the world realize that a
00:23:07region which India keeps threatening with war and particularly with
00:23:11two nuclear arm neighbors exist side by side is
00:23:15that region which Narendra Modi can plunge into
00:23:19war any time. is not a good destination for investment, so that is India
00:23:23is also suffering not only from the international
00:23:26sensitivity to repression and voter fraud, it is
00:23:30also now being paying the price for this war munging against
00:23:34Pakistan by you by economically
00:23:37directly, and also of course
00:23:41overall, if you look at the larger picture,
00:23:44India's alliance with the United States is
00:23:47also in trouble because India has not proven to
00:23:51be the kind of foot soldier that the United States wanted against
00:23:55China, so many kind of
00:23:59what you say, vulnerabilities brought upon by the
00:24:03Hinditwa's systematic
00:24:07hatred and prejudice against
00:24:10minorities and those who oppose it has now brought India to
00:24:14level in which the world is now, I think many the freedom
00:24:18house downgraded in India. has democratic credentials in this year's
00:24:21report, so India's democracy is dying, its international
00:24:25stature is is being shattered and now
00:24:29it's, I think it's going to be difficult two years until the next election
00:24:33for more right, Mr. Khan, there is another very
00:24:37interesting dimension, you already referred to briefly upon that also, the
00:24:41cockroach Janata party, now there is a there is a
00:24:45pressure that is building upon the Bharatiya Gen the party led
00:24:49government. with these massive demonstrations in number of major
00:24:53cities including Mumbai, Delhi has been put under
00:24:56extreme security restriction also. Now there is a brief
00:25:00history, the the cockroach general party was successfully able
00:25:04to get its demand met from the Bharatiya
00:25:08Janata Party when the education minister had to
00:25:11design. Now we know for fact there
00:25:15is backing from the opposition, Indian National
00:25:19Congress Party. as well, their leader was briefly detained though as
00:25:23well, with the corker janada party, other leading
00:25:26opposition parties and also there is also a hint on the part
00:25:30of Sonam Vangkok also who played a pivatal role in the
00:25:34last movement when it came to the resignation the education
00:25:38minister, this time around their demand is
00:25:42the resignation the chief election commissioner, given that
00:25:46precedence, do you think there would be pressure amply mounted?
00:26:02symptoms of a prejudice based
00:26:06government is that it cannot bear
00:26:09independent institutions. so for many decades now, more than two
00:26:13decades, India's election commission was
00:26:17sort the poster child of India's democracy, which you it was seen as
00:26:21a credible institution that despite all the
00:26:24corruption and mismanagement and
00:26:27embazzlement that happens in India and at least the Indian election
00:26:31commission. was a credible institution that ran relatively fair
00:26:35elections, now that is no longer true, so
00:26:39similarly the another institution
00:26:42which became the cause the cockroach janta party to come into
00:26:46being was the college entrance system in which the
00:26:49examination system was exposed as
00:26:52rigged and so so many hundred thousand young
00:26:56people who wanted to go into the Indian civil
00:27:00service realized that this though again another
00:27:03institution that they believed in was rigged and
00:27:07corrupt and therefore they protested against it, it's very interesting that the
00:27:11handful of young people who have had no political experience, most them are
00:27:15under the age of 32, have have organized
00:27:18themselves into this this protest, but
00:27:22again this protest which is first was
00:27:26against the education minister, now they are protesting as the election
00:27:29commission, i it's too early. to say whether the election
00:27:33commissioner would resign, but it's very clear that
00:27:36one major aspect of this Hindutva regime for the last 12
00:27:40years has been the slow decay
00:27:44of Indian institutions which is now exposed
00:27:48for all the world to see. Mr. Khuram Dastager Khan,
00:27:51former defense and foreign minister of Pakistan, thank you very much for taking time out
00:27:55for this episode of Funfold tonight, we really appreciate with that we come
00:27:59to the end of today's episode of Funfold, till the next. want to good care
00:28:03for
00:28:03series.
00:28:39Kashmiri women are bravely facing brutalities at the hands of
00:28:43Indian troops. Indian troops have martered more than
00:28:462300 kashmiri women since
00:28:491989. Kashmiri women are mentally
00:28:53tortured through enforced disappearances of their loved
00:28:56ones. Indian troops are using rape of women as a
00:29:00weapon of war to crush Kashmir. struggle for right to self
00:29:03determination, it is time for international
00:29:07community to come forward and protect Kashmiri women from Indian
00:29:11state
00:29:11terrorism.
00:30:05Hello and welcome, you're watching Pakistan TV with news the hour, I'm Natalia Bakel. Let's head to
00:30:09the headlines
00:30:09first.
00:30:28The president on the advice of Prime Minister Mohammad Shabbaz Sharief imposes
00:30:31emergency. under articles 232 and 234 the
00:30:35constitution of Pakistan citing the gravity the
00:30:38situation.
00:30:49The government defends the imposition of emergency in Khaib Pakhtunkhah as a
00:30:53constitutional measure i made rising terrorism and forms and 11 member
00:30:57advisory council to oversee key provin.