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00:00:11Hello and good evening, you watching Pakistan TV and I am Rafe
00:00:14of Sohel with the headlines
00:00:15of the hour. Let's have
00:00:16look.
00:00:25of of
00:00:27of
00:00:33Deputy prime minister and foreign
00:00:34of
00:00:35of minister says Pakistan is committed to the complete elimination of
00:00:38terrorism and demands Afghan Taliban regime to stop all support
00:00:42to terrorists. Addressing counter terrorism
00:00:45in conference
00:00:45of dar stresses that attacks originating from Afghan soil must end and
00:00:49world
00:00:49of must acknowledge Pakistan's
00:00:51sacrifices.
00:00:57of
00:00:58of Federal Minister for Information. broadcasting says
00:01:01Pakistan is facing the major challenge of
00:01:04of terrorism and extremism. addressing the
00:01:06in conference on counter terrorism, the minister said thousands of terrorists are living in safe
00:01:10havens on Afghan
00:01:14of soil.
00:01:18of governor Pakhtunkha, faisal karem kundi and interior minister
00:01:22milsan says eradicating terrorism is the government's top
00:01:25priority,
00:01:26of stressing that the fight against terrorism cannot be one without the... provincial
00:01:30government taking the
00:01:31lead,
00:01:41of chief
00:01:44of the joint chiefs of staff of brazil's arm forces,
00:01:48admiral renato rodriguez calls on field marshall
00:01:51sayyad
00:01:52assim munir at GHQ to discuss regional security and enhanced
00:01:56defense cooperation.
00:02:05A Pakistani national has been killed and 11 others wounded in a
00:02:09fresh hoothi strike on Riyadh's international
00:02:12airport.
00:02:19in of Iran is of reviewing
00:02:22Washington's response to its hermu proposal saying reopening the
00:02:26straight and restoring security must be prioritized as diplomate.
00:02:30contacts continue through
00:02:32mediators.
00:02:37of Oil prices rose on Monday as the
00:02:41Huty strikes on Saudi Arabia and attacks on two tankers raised
00:02:45supply concerns with brand crede climbing to
00:02:48105.48 a barrel and US crude
00:02:51reaching
00:02:52of 92.44.
00:03:00At least six people have been killed and nine others injured in separate
00:03:04Russian strikes on Ukraine, raising fresh concerns about the effectiveness
00:03:08of an energy cease fire announced by US President Donald
00:03:12Trump.
00:03:47of I
00:03:51am Raf Sohal and those were the headlines
00:03:53of the on Pakistan TV. Keep
00:03:54watching.
00:04:52Pakistan TV team
00:04:53of is here at the Beijing Capital International
00:04:56airport.
00:05:02where the new generation decides the next chapter of
00:05:05Bangladesh.
00:06:14this is beyond borders and I am Umar Khalid, but during the course the show, as is the norm will take you into
00:06:18a world which we consider without borders or boundaries and discuss issues, stories that
00:06:22are pertinent rather in this changing 21st century scenario. We'll
00:06:25begin with the top stories the day or as we call them, region
00:06:29lines.
00:06:33We start from the middle east where Saudi Arabia is facing renewed hoothi attacks with deadly
00:06:37strikes targeting king Khalid international airport in Riyadh causing civilian
00:06:41casualties and injure. during hundreds, the latest attack marks the second
00:06:45strike on the Saudi Capitals international airport in two days. Meanwhile,
00:06:49the R4 group comprising Pakistan, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, Egypt and
00:06:52Turkey strongly condemy attacks on the kingdom of Saudi Arabia,
00:06:56including strikes on King Khalid international airport that have caused civilian casualties and
00:07:00has damaged
00:07:00infrastructure.
00:07:06Moving on, the United Nations Development programs that developing countries face a triple
00:07:10economic shock from soaring energy price. is extreme alnino weather and
00:07:14rising borrowing costs, which could push millions back into poverty.
00:07:18UNDP chief Alexander the crew urges urgent
00:07:22international support warning that mounting debt is leaving developing countries with fewer
00:07:26resources to protect a vulnerable
00:07:28people.
00:07:35And finally, security forces kill terrorists in intelligence based operation in Bannu
00:07:39under the Azme Iskam Vision, addressing a counter terrorism. Deputy prime
00:07:43minister reiterates Pakistan's commitment to eliminating terrorism,
00:07:46urging the Afghan Taliban regime to end support for
00:07:49terrorists.
00:07:57We begin with the Middle East and North Africa where Saudi
00:08:01Arabia is facing a dangerous escalation as repeated Huthi attacks
00:08:04target civilian airports. Saturday strike on King Khalid international airport in
00:08:08Riyadh has killed at least 13 people and has injured more than 300.
00:08:12others another attack on Sunday killed a Pakistani resident and wounded
00:08:1611 others. Passengers including pilgrims have been caught in the
00:08:20violence while airport operations remain suspended.
00:08:23Pakistan, the kingdom of Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Turkey have all jointly
00:08:27condemned the attacks, demanding the immediate hold and have back the kingdom's right to protect
00:08:31its people and sovereinity. President Donald Trump is considering joining
00:08:35Saudi strikes against the Hutis while it's not show for the moment, but Britain
00:08:39is also examining additional support. Iran meanwhile has offered to facilitate
00:08:43dialogue with international flights disrupted and vital shipping routes
00:08:47under threat, how can Saudi Arabia and its partners stop these attacks, protect
00:08:50civilians and restore regional stability. to discuss that and
00:08:54more, we have been joined by Fatima Abulas
00:08:58father who is a Yemani policy analyst and non-resident fellow at the Arab Gulf
00:09:02States
00:09:21by attacking riyadh and aba airports, killing civilians, not
00:09:25once but more than once and endangering pilgrims, what in
00:09:28your point of view, fatima are the hoot is trying to achieve and how
00:09:32in your point of view can they ever justify such
00:09:42is how... pursued this strategy for very long
00:09:45time,
00:09:46for over decade, whenever they feel that they want
00:09:50to have any type of gains on the ground in Yemen, they
00:09:54immediately turn to threatening Saudis
00:09:58because they back the Yemini government of Yemen, the international Yemani government of
00:10:01Yemen. Heuti's ultimate objective is to dominate
00:10:05the entire country, but also to position
00:10:08themselves in Babel mandab to secure
00:10:11that, because it gives them leverage, it gives
00:10:15rather, it gives
00:10:17the Tehran leverage over another choke point, that
00:10:21way both hormos and Babel Mandab would be
00:10:25under the direct control of
00:10:29Iran through thehies, so um,
00:10:33in in this instance, because the
00:10:36government conducted a counter offensive with the
00:10:40backing of Saudi Arabia to take back
00:10:44Babel mandab straight, which the Housies took
00:10:48over in September, that sort
00:10:51of was was one the catalysts to this issue, but
00:10:55also think that there's a there's a broader argument also
00:10:58to be made in terms the regional level and
00:11:02escalation is that
00:11:05the the Islamic Republic regime in Iran
00:11:09doesn't doesn't want to suffer more
00:11:12economic costs because the war that Washington has
00:11:16imposed on on Iran and it's it's lashing out
00:11:20in the same way that it lashed out at the beginning the conflict through imposing
00:11:24more costs. the region and the his are one way to
00:11:28impose these costs, so I think that's that's sort of like the
00:11:31picture inside the picture, so they launched the
00:11:35ballistic missiles to
00:11:39Saudi infrastructure through the His in
00:11:43order to manufacture that kind of political leverage that you
00:11:46need. All right, I'd also like to understand two more
00:11:50things, despite earlier military campaigns, Hutis do
00:11:54retain. as per the reports, long range missiles as as well as drones that he have
00:11:58used as well, what immediate support in your point you
00:12:02view would help the kingdom of Saudi Arabia protects its airports and
00:12:06stop further attacks from the hoothies, also a fighting continuing
00:12:10around Mokha and Iran uh offering
00:12:14dialogue at the same time, because you did talk about Iran and Iran has
00:12:17supposedly offered a dialogue to end this conflict, what
00:12:21would make diplomacy credible in order to move? in the
00:12:25right direction because we have seen in the previous times whenever there has
00:12:29been a negotiate settlement, it has not
00:12:31ended feasibly, let's say that with all
00:12:35the partners. secure, how can secure and
00:12:39immediate hall to attacks happen while protecting
00:12:42civilians both in the kingdom of Saudi Arabia and in
00:12:45Yemen? so to answer
00:12:48your first question
00:12:50in terms of how can the kingdom protect itself and what can be
00:12:54done because intercept interceptors and
00:12:58patriot batteries can handle incoming
00:13:01salvos, but they do not solve the problem at the source, and
00:13:05I think Saudi Arabia has had enough
00:13:09and it wants to solve the problem at the source, so this
00:13:13means um three things, it means that you have
00:13:17to have real time intelligence um in order
00:13:20to be able to track the launchers that the his use.
00:13:25um, even to track
00:13:27the the assembly sites before they launch, and the second
00:13:31is to cut off the Iranian maritime
00:13:35supply and smuggling networks in the Gulf of
00:13:38Aiden and in the Red Sea, that's extremely
00:13:42important because they supply missile
00:13:45guidance packages and and drone components, and we have seen
00:13:49interception for that by Yemani government and Samcom
00:13:53and there needs to be... stricter measures
00:13:56enforced as well, and the third is is direct support
00:14:00also for Yemen government forces that are
00:14:03working to roll back the hi advances and
00:14:07ensure that they're not also terrorizing the people inside.
00:14:11key component the Houti strategy is
00:14:14ensuring that the people of Yemen themselves are
00:14:18incircled are blocated as we are seeing currently in
00:14:22the city of tas which sits across from
00:14:25mandab and up in the highland of
00:14:29course, and it's still strategically very important, but it
00:14:32has three million people in the governorate and 1.5
00:14:36million people inside the city who
00:14:40are resisting
00:14:54that they have continuously failing, they
00:14:58need to be conducted in good faith. can an agreement
00:15:01happen? of course, an agreement can happen, but the question is what is the
00:15:05price? in my opinion, any immediate agreement
00:15:09on the short term is going to be a
00:15:11compromise, the saudis
00:15:15might be able to give thehis and Iran
00:15:19um one or two of what they're
00:15:22asking, one, whatever they're asking. for,
00:15:26but um, ultimately the saudi kingdom ends up paying the price for this,
00:15:30and then the region and the red security and global
00:15:33shipping, because the his in Iran have shown that they don't
00:15:38have the appetite for continuous
00:15:42deescalation, whatever sees fire you're going to have is going to be
00:15:45temporary, whatever deal you're going to have is going to be temporary, and we
00:15:49know this because the Beijing
00:15:53agreement that happened between Saudi Arabia and
00:15:56Tehran, and despite that
00:15:59facilitation, despite the years the taunt that
00:16:03that Saudi enjoyed as well as the tant.
00:16:07with the houties because houties ultimately stopped their cross
00:16:11border attacks into Saudi Arabia,
00:16:14um, things were going fine, in fact Saudi did
00:16:18not want to take part in
00:16:21operation, any the operations, whether it was Ruff Rider or
00:16:25the current operation on on Iran
00:16:29with with operation Epic Fury, so it
00:16:32stayed out of out of it, but it still got punished
00:16:36by Tahran and it still got punished by the
00:16:39hoothies, so the the there's a lesson I think that
00:16:43the that the Saudi kingdom learned is that the threat is just
00:16:47growing bigger from the hies and that there needs to
00:16:51be a will to stop it, and and this push
00:16:55that we saw in terms the counter offensive in Babel
00:16:58Mandab demonstrated that, because they backed
00:17:02the the southern giant brigades forces and
00:17:06they were able. to push the hoothi ground
00:17:09forces from the ground, but
00:17:13honestly the the the hoothi problem is just not
00:17:16gonna go away easily because the asymmetric
00:17:20nature of this warfare i agree with you on the fact that the Hothi problem is not going
00:17:24to go away as very quickly because
00:17:25it is a problem that has been remaining in the area since very
00:17:29long time, it is only exacerbated very recently, especially against the kingdom of
00:17:33Saudi Arabia and you talk about will, I think the will is very important, the will to stop
00:17:37it and the will from the other side also the huti side
00:17:41to look for negotiated solution. we have been talking to fatima
00:17:44abu al-asrar and we have been discussing the deadly hoothi
00:17:48attacks on
00:17:49the kingdom of Saudi Arabia, what is the condemnation and what are the regional implications? we've
00:17:52been talking about you know the different issues pertaining
00:17:56to it, the attack on riyadh and abha airports,
00:17:58the killing of civilians and injuring of pilgrims and what the hoties are
00:18:02trying to achieve and how they can justify it and of course also
00:18:06the long missiles and drones
00:18:08that the hoothies are retaining,
00:18:09what is the support that could help this of Saudi Arabia
00:18:12prevent such attacks in the future as well, and of course the dialogue that
00:18:16Iran has offered, will it lead to some kind of a tangible solution as far
00:18:20as the whole issue is
00:18:28Pakistan, the R4 group and other international partners have
00:18:31condemned these strikes, have been statements that have come, what concrete
00:18:35action should follow to hold? the hoot is accountable and defend the
00:18:39kingdom of Saudi Arabia
00:18:41um
00:18:43so condemnations and public
00:18:46diplomacy is is fine and I think that's a
00:18:50good message to show that um there is
00:18:53there is enough concern about the hoouti's actions and the
00:18:57consequences that are happening but also real
00:19:01enforcement means turning these diplomatic
00:19:04statements into some type of an op
00:19:07operation: so the first thing that comes to mind is
00:19:11maritime interdiction, because Pakistan has an
00:19:15active naval posture in the Arabian sea, so that
00:19:18capability could translate favorably into
00:19:22shared maritime, tracking and and
00:19:26boarding operations against any type of ilicit Iranian
00:19:29dows supplying the yemy coast, so
00:19:33this smuggling activity is the one that's allowing the...
00:19:37toties to continue having this aggressive posture
00:19:41without it they would be somewhat isolated and then of
00:19:45course financial logistic
00:19:48disruption is also important and supporting
00:19:52yemeny government forces and i don't mean by
00:19:56ground forces but arial
00:19:59support is important continuing to also
00:20:03defend the kingdom because with thehi strategy
00:20:07is is to impose costs on multiple
00:20:11fronts, so not only are they attacking internally in
00:20:15Yemen, but they're also attacking the Saudi
00:20:18kingdom in order to get it bogged
00:20:22down in in its own conflict as opposed
00:20:26to just protecting the Yemeni
00:20:29government and Yemani land as well
00:20:33from the Housi encrouchment and and conquest.
00:20:37so all of that is important, surveillance is important and
00:20:41United States is continuing to also provide
00:20:44intelligence, but surveillance along the Indian Ocean
00:20:48is is... is
00:20:51is is important as well because it directly impacts gulf
00:20:55operations and smuggling
00:20:57networks, so that they are tracked before they
00:21:01actually reached their intended
00:21:10donald trump says he is considering
00:21:13joining, the defensive action that the king
00:21:17of Saudi Arabia is doing against the hoothies, the... kingdom has also
00:21:20in interest in helping the kingdom of Saudi Arabia, how
00:21:24important will this help be for the kingdom if and when this happens
00:21:28also flights are suspended and of course the shipping is
00:21:32threatened through both the babal mandab, the state of hormos and the suas
00:21:35canal, how serious are the risks to Saudi investment, to global
00:21:39energy prices and to food
00:21:48if the United States intends to enter the war as well
00:21:52as as the United Kingdom and support uh for the
00:21:56Saudi kingdom any way, um, that is a
00:22:00strong deterrant for the Hithis, they are really
00:22:03concerned of widening the war, um, they can
00:22:07do low asymmetry type of warfare, but it
00:22:11also sends a message that Saudi Arabia is
00:22:14willing to to is not going to be be
00:22:18bullied by their blackmail, by their
00:22:22terrorism blackmail, so it sends that message and it
00:22:26it makes his recalculate their position, it
00:22:30makes Tehran recalculate its position until things calm
00:22:33down somehow, but it nothing, nothing
00:22:37really concerns the hoothies and Tahran as much as a
00:22:41coalition to act, because with a coalition there's
00:22:44coordination, there is increasing pressure,
00:22:48and and more... focus on how the his
00:22:51and Tehran are conducting their
00:22:54strategy now with with regards
00:22:58to the economic hits
00:23:01and and investment shocks that Saudi
00:23:05Arabia could be subjected to, that's definitely the end game
00:23:08thehis, the Hutis have nothing to lose,
00:23:12so part of how they force
00:23:16themselves on the international arena and how they want to...
00:23:20negotiations with the saudis is through
00:23:23economic, they've done the same play
00:23:26with
00:23:31the thing is
00:23:33the this this strategy ultimately ends up
00:23:37disrupting of course saudi investments, but
00:23:41also has the damage is multiaceted, the damage is
00:23:44multifaset, as you said, it's on the economy, it's
00:23:47on all the investments that the king of... is doing and it had
00:23:51lot of investments as part of its vision 2030 as
00:23:54well and know the whole effect of
00:24:12as you have seen my discussion with fatima abu alasrar
00:24:16we have talked about shipping threaten through babal mandab and hormos we have talked to
00:24:20risks to Saudi investment, global energy prices and food supplies, we've
00:24:24talked about how the US and the United Kingdom are interested
00:24:27in joining forces with the kingdom of Saudi
00:24:31Arabia
00:25:03Now moving to the west, developing countries are facing three shocks at
00:25:07once: rising energy prices, extreme weather linked to Elnino
00:25:11and higher borrowing costs. The United Nations Development program wants that
00:25:15governments are running out of money to protect struggling families,
00:25:18as the world financial leader. is meet in Bangkok, what urgent help can prevent
00:25:22millions from falling into poverty is what we will ask our guest tonight,
00:25:26Dr. Samuel Risk, resident representative, UNDP,
00:25:29Pakistan. Sam,
00:25:36Now, UNDP's report, no time to recover warns that energy
00:25:40costs, climate shocks and expensive borrowing are hitting together
00:25:44with conditions possibly worsening into spring. Why is this
00:25:47combination so dangerous in your point of view and where? is Pakistan most exposed
00:25:51among all
00:26:00so I think it's a very, it's a very important and... and timely question
00:26:04as as the annual meetings are in Bangkok, our
00:26:07administrator, everybody else in the development world, the world bank, the IMF are
00:26:11there and they're discussing this this very issue, now
00:26:15if you recall two or three years ago we were talking about a combination of
00:26:19crises that all hovered around the seas, cost of
00:26:23living, COVID, conflict and climate change, and I think
00:26:27this was where a lot the language around the poly crisis started to to
00:26:30come out now. as of this spring there's quite
00:26:34a lot of disruption that is happening obviously because the war in the middle east
00:26:38and I think the three reports that came out successively since
00:26:42then the first one focused on human
00:26:46development impacts, the second was was on cushioning the global
00:26:49shock and then this this third one I think raises the biggest
00:26:52alarm which you outlined which is there is no time to
00:26:56recover when when multiple shocks happen
00:27:00at the same time in developing countries. It becomes pretty clear that
00:27:04this no time to recover is really quite difficult and it
00:27:07exposes some fundamental issues around global
00:27:11development and climate financing that are, I think important. Now let's
00:27:15take Pakistan for second, if you look at the report, it
00:27:19talks about
00:27:20energy, it talks about
00:27:24climate change, and it talks about the cost of
00:27:27borrowing, all these things are actually critical as we
00:27:31speak. for Pakistan, Pakistan
00:27:34imports most of its oil, it comes to the Middle East, 80
00:27:38plus percent of that, immediate shock, it didn't take
00:27:42two or three months or four months for that to
00:27:44materialize and for it to have an impact on
00:27:48on common people here. Fuel prices went up
00:27:5125%, where do people get this money? They stop spending on
00:27:55other things, probably education, probably health,
00:27:59etc. and and wages are not, going up,
00:28:03so you asked the question, maybe I'll come to that, who is the most
00:28:06vulnerable when this combination of shocks actually takes
00:28:14critical, you add climate change and inho, then you put all
00:28:17the agriculture sector, too much water, too little water
00:28:21any given year, you know, one or two weeks late
00:28:25in in either planting or harvesting becomes a
00:28:28problem, energy vulnerable community.
00:28:32and then public finance as well and that maybe is the
00:28:36is the third part and we can talk some more about that is okay
00:28:41are so if all these things not happen resilient
00:28:41people and the system itself cannot afford
00:28:45to absorb these crisis and now scrambles for money
00:28:49where does that come from if countries like Pakistan
00:28:53have to pay half almost half their federal budget towards death
00:28:56servicing that is true I mean that and so much more and of
00:29:00course the crisis that the world is... in the region as well is of course affecting
00:29:04countries such as Pakistan. Samuel, with oil that is above 100
00:29:08US dollars a barrel, the UNDP estimates that a
00:29:12government support has prevented around
00:29:15130 million additional people from falling into
00:29:19the poverty circle. as that money is running out and will run out
00:29:22very quickly, how can countries protect the struggling
00:29:26families in your point of view from higher fuel, higher electricity and higher
00:29:30food prices without taking on
00:29:33unsustainable
00:29:46past few months, the government has already implemented twice
00:29:49austerity measures and has added
00:29:52subsidies. Now, I think the thing that that this particular
00:29:56report focuses on is the difference between blanket subsidies for
00:30:00everyone, that of course, financing institutions and
00:30:03lenders don't really look favorably upon, and targeted
00:30:07subsidies that actually address the most vulnerable, including the ones that I mentioned
00:30:11to you, and the duration as well, so it's
00:30:14not long term, it always needs to be short term,
00:30:17and I think that's the critical issue
00:30:19here, the what what the government is able to inject
00:30:23in terms of subsidy of social protection immediate,
00:30:27like for fuel,
00:30:28for example, that happened in the last few months, I think that's fine. but
00:30:32the question is what happens after the next after
00:30:36few months, you can see for example
00:30:40that overall around the world over the last couple of
00:30:43years, there are nearly one billion, one billion
00:30:47people in the entire world population that are most
00:30:51vulnerable and becoming even poorer as we speak, the majority
00:30:55of which because these multiple crises
00:30:58are in...
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