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00:00:00everyone that of course
00:00:02you know financing institutions and lenders don't really look favorably
00:00:05upon and targeted subsidies that actually address the most
00:00:09vulnerable, including the ones that I mentioned to you,
00:00:12and the duration as well, so
00:00:14of it's not long-term, it always needs to be short term,
00:00:17and I think that's the critical issue
00:00:19here, the what what the government is able to
00:00:23inject in terms of subsidy of social protection
00:00:26immediate, like for fuel for example that happened in the last few
00:00:30months, I think that's fine, but the question is what happens
00:00:33after the next after few
00:00:38a months, you can see for example that overall around the
00:00:42world over the last couple of
00:00:43of years, there are nearly one billion, one billion
00:00:47people in the entire world population that are most
00:00:51vulnerable and becoming even poorer as we speak, the majority
00:00:55of which because
00:00:56of these multiple crises are in...
00:01:01uh South Asia, East Asia and Sub Saharan
00:01:04Africa. countries in these particular areas are
00:01:08most vulnerable to these shocks, so for one or
00:01:12two or three months you're able to make sure that 130 million
00:01:15people do not fall deeper into
00:01:17of poverty, but what's at stake is much bigger, what's at stake
00:01:21is this one billion people that
00:01:24actually are are really
00:01:27in a difficult place. secondly, uh, how do you
00:01:31actually protect current investments and
00:01:34that I think is the biggest challenge? I think one
00:01:37of the issues that Pakistan has a particularly rightful
00:01:40grievance around
00:01:42is the climate change
00:01:43and the climate finance issue, where do you actually get
00:01:47support when a crisis like a flood happens
00:01:51or a flood happens every two or three years?
00:01:55financing recovery from
00:01:58borrowing uh I think has become
00:02:02problematic for countries like Pakistan and many others.
00:02:06That's why I think in the in the discussions that are taking place probably
00:02:09these days in Bangkok, there will likely be
00:02:12a discussion around what is an optimum combination of supporting countries
00:02:16that are impacted by crises and shocks, whether they are the
00:02:20straight of hormos or whether they are climate change or covid a
00:02:24couple of years ago, and how do you
00:02:26do it? countries like Pakistan, it's clear.
00:02:30that they are
00:02:30in the middle lower middle income countries and
00:02:34therefore there is grant support that will still come from vertical
00:02:38funds etc. but there are also one or two other
00:02:41combinations that are important. lending is sovereign decision, think
00:02:45it is important and critical but needs to be combined with other
00:02:48things and other instruments so that the price of lending
00:02:52a
00:02:53of isn't what ends up eating all of your revenue, so
00:02:57private sector investment, we just concluded
00:03:01of of last week. "a national sustainable development goal investment fair, where there's a link
00:03:05between what the
00:03:06a public sector needs in terms of good investments for
00:03:10transport, for
00:03:11of tourism, etc.,
00:03:13of and what the private sector is able to finance, and all of that
00:03:16aligned to the development ambitions of this
00:03:20particular country, and maybe I just close with one idea, Omar, which is
00:03:24insurance. If all
00:03:26of these shocks are happening, the question of insurance, whether it's risk and..."
00:03:30insurance, climate insurance, disaster risk insurance is really
00:03:35of in quite of important
00:03:37a in a country this big but has only one% of GDP penetration of insurance, it really is
00:03:41a difficult prospect for lot of very
00:03:44vulnerable communities who are basically on the
00:03:48brink of making it or breaking. all right, I'll go through
00:03:52my next questions very quickly and and if you could just give a
00:03:55of short answer so that we can kind of cover the
00:03:59conversation. during these few minutes that are left, the world met
00:04:03meteorological organization expects the elnino to peak
00:04:06of around december persist through february of 2027, potentially becoming one
00:04:09of in of the strongest since 1950. crops and livelihoods are at risk, what should
00:04:13countries like Pakistan do now to prepare farmers, protect food supplies and strengthen
00:04:17warnings for extreme weather?
00:04:21well, the first thing is warning, early warning, I think Us andDP
00:04:25plus many other national entities here and
00:04:28of many others uh have been offering better and better tools and
00:04:32instruments to be able to offer early warning
00:04:34support. you know, in in cases of
00:04:38around
00:04:39of March, of April, May, June
00:04:41of and around the summer, when it gets really warm, and this will
00:04:45become more and more the case in the future. early warning for floods that
00:04:48maybe originate in the in the north because of glacial
00:04:51lake outburst
00:04:53of floods, of I think that's important. secondly, monsoon, early
00:04:57warning, and especially when, like I
00:05:01said, agricultural seasons are delayed, etc., so the
00:05:05early warning part I think is really quite important, and the
00:05:09agricultural sector, I think is particularly critical. there as
00:05:13well, the reason we talk about agriculture is for food
00:05:16security for the most part, and I think being able to
00:05:20support vulnerable household with food security is really quite
00:05:23important, programs like Bisp are already doing great, in fact of
00:05:27all the development funding that appears to
00:05:30be downsizing in the federal
00:05:33budgets, social protection instrument like bis are
00:05:37actually growing, and I think that's important and there always needs
00:05:41to be fiscal space. for that as
00:05:43well uh and I think like I said the early warning part
00:05:47is really quite important, all I would say about early warning is
00:05:51how quickly one can actually move from warning warning
00:05:54to analysis to response, and I think
00:05:58these days there is technology that actually enables countries like
00:06:02Pakistan to do so. All right, my next question concerns the
00:06:06borrowing rates, now the UNDP puts borrowing rates for
00:06:10countries with weaker credit ratings at. around 9%. debt
00:06:14justice reports that average cuts of 8% in education and 2% in overall
00:06:18public spending in countries facing serious debt trouble. how can
00:06:21governments protect schools, the healthcare system, household support while meeting the debt
00:06:25payments? the debt justice also wants burden some debts cancelled
00:06:29including those that are to banks, hedge funds and oil traders and
00:06:33changes to the G20's debt reconstructuring system a
00:06:36restructuring system. now UNDP wants that negotiations could take
00:06:40months, should lenders offer immediate. was in repayments as during
00:06:44COVID, alongside cheaper emergency finance, while longer term relief is
00:06:47negotiated, your take,
00:06:51so so I know I've been saunding like lot of bad news and doom and gloom
00:06:55scenarios, but there in there is one positive thing that has happened over the
00:06:58last couple of years, which is macroeconomic stabilization that has
00:07:02actually moved Pakistan up in the credit ratings, which means Pakistan can
00:07:06borrow at better rates, Pakistan can issue
00:07:10bonds that are acceptable in global market. and that
00:07:13means that you know the first big step towards towards
00:07:17increasing the the pi which is growth
00:07:21is really taking place and hopefully that reaches the next
00:07:25step which is supporting human development and
00:07:29human development indicators as well, so that's the first
00:07:33positive thing, the second positive thing is that Pakistan has an
00:07:36experience of of death swaps, for
00:07:40example, that is just one instrument many different instruments
00:07:44that are likely being discussed. deb swaps have worked here debt for
00:07:47development projects, debt for climate over the last one or
00:07:51two decades with Germany, with Canada and many others, and I think that's
00:07:55important, an important avenue that
00:07:59is made more positive by the
00:08:02macroeconomic stabilization that many lenders can actually see and
00:08:06say, okay, our debt, we can actually swap for
00:08:09development indicators, so of all the doom. gloom, I think these
00:08:13are two things that are important to note as well, maybe just
00:08:17lastly, last year, the big finance for development
00:08:20conference
00:08:21in in Sevilla and Spain, the fourth conference, all these,
00:08:25all these discussions actually took place around what is the optimum
00:08:29balance between in development
00:08:32finance, between what can be grant money, what can
00:08:36be private sector and private investment money, what is a
00:08:40good pipeline that can act be put forward that
00:08:43investors can now see because the confidence a country and
00:08:47therefore can attract local and international investors, and
00:08:51then of course how can you move up in credit ratings like Pakistan
00:08:55has done for the last couple of years because of macroeconomic
00:08:58stabilization? all right, but very quickly, very quickly,
00:09:02can burden some debts be cancelled, can there be immediate
00:09:06pause in repayments, can there be cheaper emergency finance, yes or
00:09:10no? Yeah, so there are, there is
00:09:14precedent for that, obviously, there was some relief around COVID time, but you
00:09:18know all the discussions around that are really in the
00:09:20hands, are a sovereign decision, so to
00:09:24speak. I think what we are saying in in UNDP is that there's
00:09:28no particular issue with with debt as long as you can repay,
00:09:32and as long as it is actually blended well with other
00:09:36instruments, and as long as it doesn't become burdensome on
00:09:40countries that already have ' fiscal
00:09:43issues, I think that is the summation of what we see in the discussions
00:09:47that probably UNDP administrator and IMF heads and
00:09:51others will actually do uh this week and hopefully those yield
00:09:54positive benefits for Pakistan. All right, speaking of that very, very
00:09:58quick answer, UNDP administrator, your boss
00:10:02Alexander de Crew supports the IMF Chief Crystallina Jojieva's
00:10:06call for spending restraint in richer countries, but also wants
00:10:09coordinated help for developing nations. What must Bangkok meetings
00:10:13now deliver and how can Pakistan build lasting resilience if I could
00:10:17have very short answer to that. Very short
00:10:21answer is the Bangkok, I would say the Bangkok meetings need to deliver.
00:10:26"first of all, a way for immediate relief to all
00:10:29countries, Pakistan included, that are heavily
00:10:33impacted by the crisis in the Middle East, and
00:10:37I think one of those will be energy, one of those will have to be, or another
00:10:41one will have to be about food security, and I really hope
00:10:45that we start to see a perspective
00:10:49on the need to
00:10:51stop the the the origin." the
00:10:55crisis, which is the political crisis, to actually start
00:10:58normalizing everything else in the economic and development
00:11:02space. I think if there
00:11:03is enough political pressure from the economists to
00:11:07actually stop the cause the war that is actually overburdening
00:11:10everyone, the most vulnerable included, that will be the best
00:11:14relief that's possible for for Pakistan and everyone
00:11:18else. Thank you very much Dr. Samuel Risk, president representative of
00:11:22UNDP, Pakistan, to have joined us and to have given us.
00:11:25exclusive attet in order to further understand
00:11:28what all of this means for development programs and of course how important is the meeting that
00:11:32is happening is bangkok and we speak. thank you very much Samuel to have joined
00:11:35us. let's now take you to south
00:11:38asia.
00:11:43pakistan's patience must never be mistaken for weakness. our soldiers, our
00:11:47police, our citizens have paid a terrible price for terrorism. as security forces
00:11:51strike terrorist networks, Islamabad is deminding action against their afghans.
00:11:55sanctuaries, Pakistan wants peace, but protecting Pakistani lives
00:11:58is non-negotiable. Kabul must deliver action, not just
00:12:02promises. To discuss that in more detail, we have been joined by air
00:12:06commodo retired Khalid Chishti sab, who is of course a leading defense
00:12:10analyst. Khalid sab, thank you very much to have joined us. From Banu to North
00:12:13Waziristan, security forces are eliminating terrorist terrorists and dismantling
00:12:17hidouts under Azmir. After the deadly attacks in Kuhat and Dera
00:12:21Ismail Khan, how can these operations break entire networks include? their
00:12:25commanders, weapons, supplies and local facilitators our minister for
00:12:29information says Afghanistan hosts over
00:12:33600 TTP terrorists with Afghan soil used for recruitment, training and
00:12:36attacks. What concrete action must kabul take to dismantle these
00:12:40sanctuaries rather than simply move terrorists deeper into
00:12:43Afghanistan? Thank you very much
00:12:47uh for the kind invitation, it's always a player to be part of
00:12:51your show, absolutely a concerning matter that you brought in.
00:12:55"this is a country which has fought terrorism for decades now
00:12:59and I think enemy still probably not
00:13:03checked our threshold, we have shown lot of patience and
00:13:06perseverance, but obviously as I keep saying that obviously so many
00:13:10casualities and so many sacrifices Pakistan has given, we run
00:13:14out options because we have to retaliate, but unfortunate part
00:13:18these kind of conflict says that they do not have clear cut
00:13:21dimensions, a confined borders, no time.
00:13:25no methodology the weapons used and of no timings of course which
00:13:29time do they carry out these attacks? a formal war or a conflict
00:13:33like what we had against India was obviously had some parameters,
00:13:37although Indians obviously attack past midnight as a surprise, but from
00:13:41then on obviously the response was brutal, timely and very
00:13:44effective, but when it came to the cease fire obviously we all went back
00:13:48to the airbases or these units and stations and the coast
00:13:52lines, but unfortunately these terrorism... do not have
00:13:55confined borders, you have to have continuous, not only
00:13:58vigilance, updation the data and ready
00:14:02response. most challenging has been
00:14:06the area that Pakistan has had such wonderful ties with, especially the
00:14:10people of Afghanistan, that has been probably the most hold bar
00:14:14for all of us that we do not want escalate to level where the
00:14:18common people are effective, but if we do not do that, the enemies
00:14:22misunderstand that we probably do not have the... or
00:14:25resolve or the capability, that has to be obviously checked right
00:14:29there and
00:14:30that if the believe that we do not have the capability, we definitely have the capability, but
00:14:34the mers have been very very calculated, and as I said such conflicts
00:14:38do not have cleared parameters, the enemy exploits and the
00:14:41people especially who fund these terrorists, they exploit
00:14:45this dynamic that the confined borders are not, their timings are not
00:14:49there, types of weapons are not there, so they use it to the offensive, they keep changing the
00:14:53places, they keep changing. and obviously the keep
00:14:56changing the obviously the timings as I said, so it is a
00:15:00continuous ongoing campaign which cannot have borders
00:15:04because the asymmetry nature the warfare. All right,
00:15:08reports also Khalid sah prepared by the Khair Pakhtunkhah police and intelligence
00:15:12agencies show a 195% rise in terrorist incidents with
00:15:16police and security personnel targeted in most these attacks. With
00:15:20terrorists increasingly using drones and roadside bombs, what urgent
00:15:23improvements do you feel are needed? in police training, in CDD equipment, in
00:15:27intelligence coordination, and who must answer for the gaps in
00:15:30preparedness? Absolutely, no nation can fight
00:15:34any war, what to talk of terrorism, and I said and you also pointed. doubt that
00:15:38we need to have the nation behind the armed forces, paramilitary forces, law
00:15:41enforcement agencies, definitely cannot, no armed force
00:15:45in the world can fight unless the people are behind them, number one, that's a must and
00:15:49that's a non-negotiable obviously option, that number two
00:15:53is, it's what you you observe it very rightly, now they've
00:15:56started to target police and paramilitary forces, that obviously
00:16:00supports my answer to the first question and i said they keep changing the tactics
00:16:04because when the armed forces particularly the army was very highly
00:16:08vigilant, they protect themselves, they go to the civilians, when we start to come down
00:16:12to protecting civilians, they start to attack the paramilitary and especially the
00:16:15police, so the police is not supposed to be so much
00:16:19protected or trained to fight against these asymmetric warfare
00:16:23gorillas and terrorists, so obviously they become relatively easy
00:16:27target, and the the challenging thing is that police centers
00:16:31are all the time located inside the civil proximity, they
00:16:35have to protect the civilian lives, so they do not have. stand alone units
00:16:38elsewhere where they can have a fortress or a compound which can
00:16:42be protected like armed forces or military and especially the army does. in
00:16:46police case they are located inside the cities so it's very difficult to
00:16:49filter out which obviously van or vehicle is the terrorist
00:16:53vehicle and which is a common innocent civilian coming in so it's more challenging
00:16:57so i think we have to train the police men and the women
00:17:01obviously accordingly that they have to be more vigilant and i think
00:17:05more of intelligence input. will be more effective and one more
00:17:09solution that I keep offering every time that I am coming on the television, I
00:17:12said we have to have neighborhood watch, there is no police in the
00:17:16world which can fight unless the people support, they have a lookout, they
00:17:20identify suspicious movements or people or the
00:17:24symptoms, they have to report and look out for the people who
00:17:27manipulate or conspire these things, if you leave everything
00:17:31to police or the army or the paramilitary forces, it's extremely
00:17:35challenging not only for Pakistan, but global, so I think we need to
00:17:39have that what I am calling neighborhood watch, that means I must look out
00:17:43for my neighbors, who is living there, who's sponsoring them, what is their way of
00:17:47earning, is this the family or some obviously a group of people
00:17:50living there, so I think it's mutual lookout which will
00:17:54enable and help arm forces to perform their duties much
00:17:57effectively. All right, Khalid saab,
00:18:00the apex committee meeting that was held today pledges stronger
00:18:04operations, better equipment and more personnel alongside education. health
00:18:08care and development, how can authorities turn these commitments into
00:18:11protecting people, into protection that people need to
00:18:15feel while ensuring that the patriotic communities of KP
00:18:19help shape the response? this is
00:18:23generally a long term process, you will agree with me that you cannot just
00:18:27switch it on and off that okay, they are trained, they are well equiped, they are well aware, that's
00:18:31number one, it's a long-term process, we need to build the capabilities
00:18:35because the enemy is changing the practice,
00:18:37like i said to the answer to the first question that they keep changing the tactics, sometimes they
00:18:41come after the civilian, the innocent people, sometime after the schools, sometime against the
00:18:45military units and sometime against the police, so they change the
00:18:48tactics, so I think we need to enable police not only to guard
00:18:52themselves, but have more sophisticated communication network where
00:18:56they can report matters, they can take actions and they are better
00:18:59equiped and trained to take on timely response obviously, that's that's the most
00:19:03important thing and obviously as I said the people have to be behind the forces. That's the
00:19:07most important thing, but as I said the apex committee can come out with
00:19:11the resolve or a directive, but it just doesn't happen next morning, you
00:19:15have to enable them, obviously over the period of time, they have been an element of
00:19:19mis governance, there have been the money has not filtered down
00:19:23to the real people or the people who really
00:19:26matter, so that has to be ensured, so I think it will take a
00:19:29while before we actually start to see the manifestation these
00:19:33decision, but as I said it's an ongoing thing, it's not not time.
00:19:37and it's not location b. i understand perfectly. our
00:19:41deputy prime minister and foreign ministerak demands concrete
00:19:45verificable and irreversible action against terrorist groups and has raised
00:19:48allegations of Indian sponsorship. now after repeated diplomatic
00:19:52engagement including the pakistan, china, afghanistan talks, what
00:19:55pressure and international cooperation can secure compliance,
00:19:59cut terrorist financing and expose any external
00:20:02backing? i think this is the most effective
00:20:06and that's the most. most prompt methodology that we can follow if the other
00:20:10countries choose to support us. Unfortunate part has been that many the
00:20:14countries which are relevant and they can play their role, either they
00:20:18look the other side or they look at their national interest first and
00:20:22look at the priority what Pakistan is contributing in the global peace
00:20:26that look they look
00:20:27it at later. Pakistan has been one the leading peace maker
00:20:30globally which has been established recognized by any saying
00:20:33mind. See what would contributed our military and political leader. ship has
00:20:37done for Iran and America award for last about eight
00:20:41months hactic efforts have gone into obviously
00:20:45bridge the gap between what American wants and what the Iranians want so we've earned the
00:20:49credibility. and obviously that suns, but doesn't go well
00:20:52with the enemies of Pakistan, so they want to create the trust deficit within the
00:20:56country and outside, so I think the more effective
00:21:00diplomatic campaign making these world power,
00:21:03especially China, Russia and America, they have their own speciality,
00:21:07we all know that China has the economic leverage over Afghan
00:21:11people, it's building road network, it had offered that we will,
00:21:14China is ready to build up a train network and connect Afghanistan, that
00:21:18obviously is a big respite. and breathing especially especially Pakistan
00:21:22border is closed these days so China can kind of
00:21:25get leverage at the cost of something as dividend can ask
00:21:29taliban to avoid terrorism especially against Pakistan number one number two
00:21:33Russia is the only country which has recognized Afghan government although they've done it for
00:21:37their national interest because they busy in Ukraine war so they do not want escalate
00:21:41any other border so it's in their national interest but it has lot of leverage
00:21:44because that's the only country which is recognizing them and US of course we all
00:21:48know that it had long negotiation doha agreement in
00:21:52which these Talibans promised that it will be new Afghanistan. when Americans
00:21:56leave, they left 7.2 billions of weapons and ammunitions obviously
00:22:00with the trust and the understanding. so if the Taliban
00:22:03are not responding respecting the binding and the obligation the
00:22:07agreement between the America
00:22:09and Taliban, who else could make sure that
00:22:11they abide by? so that's what I'm saying three countries, the super powers or the major
00:22:15powers globally and regionally, they have huge influence on
00:22:19Taliban so... think they can play a very comprehensive role in
00:22:22obviously helping us to get rid of this mass. all right, thank you so
00:22:26very much Khalid to have joined us and to have discussed this very important issue of
00:22:30terrorism that of course continues to rear its
00:22:34ugly head from the Afghan soil of course including Indian patronage as we
00:22:37all discussed so many times and let's hope solution comes
00:22:41solution that both short term and long term as well again
00:22:45a big thanks to you. this brings us to the end of today's beyond borders we have three
00:22:49more days to go. lots to discuss, there are so many issues that
00:22:53pertain to the world and I would like to bring all of those with different perspectives
00:22:56for you to finally uh take home with you what you feel is the
00:23:00right
00:23:01uh you know way ahead till tomorrow
00:23:03evening.
00:23:41Before the wistle blows, before the final bell, there is a
00:23:44conversation, it's a language understood by every
00:23:48stadium on every. corner, it's a moment, your
00:23:52heartbeats with million others, it's
00:23:56a roar of crowd, the silence of
00:23:58anticipation, it's a triumful cry of a
00:24:02champion, it's more than a game, it's a
00:24:06connection,
00:24:11speaks to the
00:24:12world.
00:24:25Bangladesh goes into 12th february 2026 parliamentary elections
00:24:28after major political reset. Bangladesh heads to the poles once
00:24:32again where the new generation decides the next chapter of
00:24:35Bangladesh.
00:24:47Pakistan TV team is here at the Beijing Capital International.
00:24:50airport
00:24:57pakistan tv is right now reporting live from the great hall the people
00:25:00here in China's capital
00:25:02Beijing.
00:25:09Pakistani delegation led by Prime Minister Shahbaz Sharif and chief of defense
00:25:13force field marshall Assim Munir have now departed
00:25:17from the great hall the people.
00:25:26very significant mous will be signed in this
00:25:30important
00:25:30meeting,
00:25:47we are at the jinna convention center and just not me.
00:26:13you about about the Pakistani role, especially good, we lost, thank
00:26:16you in the region leadership
00:26:20and I have no
00:26:24second thought about the fact that the man of
00:26:27peace, it was Pakistan who made sure that the 47 year
00:26:31old conflict.
00:26:41and the way he praised the role of prime minister shahbas
00:26:45sharif, field marshall Assim Munir, it made headlines
00:26:48in Pakistan. I have also had such a privilege and
00:26:52honor to witness such a
00:26:53friendship.
00:27:01I appreciate the government of. Pakistan and everybody involved in organizing this
00:27:05very very important seminar. I'm here at Jinna
00:27:09Convention Center Islamabad. Pakistan's water strategy is
00:27:12clear. When river crosses borders, cooperation becomes just as
00:27:16important as the water
00:27:17itself.
00:30:21Good evening, assalamualaikum, you're watching Pakistan TV, I am fahim
00:30:24Bangkush. First of all, let's take a quick look at the main headlines
00:30:28first.
00:30:44Deputy prime minister and foreign minister says Pakistan is committed to
00:30:48the complete elimination of terrorism in demands up on Taliban regime
00:30:52to stop all support to terrorists. Addressing a counter terrorism
00:30:56conference star stress says that attacks originating from the Afghan