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00:00:02Exactly, there isn't a clarity and an
00:00:05organization for this reaction, right, for this movement
00:00:09made by Flávio Bolsonaro, incidentally, he states that he didn't flee,
00:00:12he left the country, right, he tries to avoid the label of fleeing
00:00:16and we saw a lot of things, a lot of conflicting
00:00:20information, there's a lot of misinformation too, there were
00:00:23people who had knowledge, but
00:00:26they clearly said something different to confuse.
00:00:30Right, that was the objective, but when we
00:00:32look at the broader political spectrum,
00:00:36many allies who stood by Flávio Bolsonaro in this campaign, they don't
00:00:40have the clarity of this political strategy, I think many are
00:00:43being surprised by this statement of his that he won
00:00:47the elections, the PL, his party, has already
00:00:50published a note recognizing the result of the
00:00:53polls, we had several political leaders from this
00:00:56camp, I would like to declare, to highlight the...
00:01:00Governor Tarcísio de Freitas, Governor of São Paulo, made a video yesterday
00:01:04saying the election is over and starts talking about
00:01:07other things that need to be addressed in Brazil, so there is
00:01:11a bit of a mismatch between what this note from Senator
00:01:15Flávio Bolsonaro brings and what has been
00:01:18treated by some sectors of the opposition. The background
00:01:21of this is the dispute for this control of the opposition. Uh,
00:01:25this statement by the President, by Senator Flávio
00:01:28Bolsonaro, is in the same vein that the Bolsonaro
00:01:31family wants to continue having control of the
00:01:34opposition. I would like to draw attention to a curious fact, a
00:01:38little before that there was a video from Senator-elect Carlos Bolsonaro,
00:01:42Flávio's brother, after the visit made to his father
00:01:45and in this video he said that he apologized to his
00:01:49father for having failed. So while the brother is saying that he won the
00:01:53election, he is saying that they failed, so there is really a discrepancy
00:01:56in this discourse, this attempt to say that they won the elections
00:02:00which has not been a very uniform thing in
00:02:03the opposition. Professor, looking at what you
00:02:07mentioned, is there a risk that Flávio himself will end up creating
00:02:11a rift among his allies or among this
00:02:15right-wing that was uh that
00:02:17had an expressive victory in Congress, that is,
00:02:20part, uh more, uh, linked to the Bolsonaro
00:02:24family, uh buy into this idea or
00:02:27buy into this text and part of it distance itself from the Bolsonaro
00:02:31family?
00:02:34Exactly, Gustavo, I think we are starting to see the dispute for
00:02:38control of the opposition. Uh, I would even like to draw attention to a
00:02:42point in the note where he says that he will ask for votes
00:02:46and articulate for the election of Rogério Marinho to
00:02:50to. We need to remember that yesterday Senator
00:02:53Teresa Cristina, who was
00:02:57business. This is today's considered by Flávio himself as his dream vice-president,
00:02:59also launched her candidacy and Flávio is clearly already positioning
00:03:02himself in favor of Marinho, so we see that these disputes in
00:03:06the opposition are clear, they will happen, we
00:03:10will understand what will happen next. The other point that
00:03:14I would like to highlight in this note, Flávio
00:03:17Bolsonaro mentions Venezuelan politicians who
00:03:21left Venezuela to make a
00:03:23speech against Nicolás Maduro's
00:03:25moment. To tune in to administration, right, Nicolás Maduro's dictatorship,
00:03:29he puts himself in this position. Uh, first, we
00:03:32know that there are many differences between what happened in Venezuela and
00:03:36commercial break and will return shortly with the still happens, and what is happening in Brazil, but I
00:03:39would like to point out that these Venezuelan
00:03:43leaders who left Venezuela were ignored
00:03:46by Donald Trump when he made an intervention in Venezuela, so
00:03:50even this comparison may not be very favorable to Flávio
00:03:53Bolsonaro, if you think long term, right, if we have a
00:03:57resurgence and actions from the United States towards
00:04:01Brazil, in Venezuela economic interests weighed heavily and Trumpism
00:04:04allied with Maduro's vice-president Delcy Rodriguez and ignored
00:04:08the actions taken by the Venezuelan
00:04:10opposition. In the first version of the letter,
00:04:14there was even a coat of arms, there was a coat of arms at the beginning of the letter where the name of
00:04:18and you know that here you can trust the Brazil was uh Republic of the United States of Brazil, which was an
00:04:22old official name of Brazil, right? Now it's the Federative
00:04:25Republic of Brazil, this may indicate something and then the letter
00:04:29was substituted. Yes, with a new coat of arms, can this
00:04:33change indicate some, some message, something
00:04:36in this change of coats of arms?
00:04:40Look, it can be anything from a common mistake, Renato,
00:04:44to something more symbolic, right, but I think the letter
00:04:47itself is already in a very complicated tone there
00:04:51for you to understand, because it's very difficult
00:04:54to sustain this discourse of
00:04:57persecution of oppositionists, even if you have judicial
00:05:01decisions that are under questioning, you have the Brazilian judiciary
00:05:04with many difficulties and with many questions of
00:05:08legitimacy that will be faced, President Lula himself
00:05:11in his campaign spoke of making a judicial reform, I think this
00:05:14is the point we need to acknowledge, but it's very
00:05:18difficult to say it's a persecution of all
00:05:21opponents when you have the largest caucuses in the Chamber and Senate
00:05:24belonging to the PL, Flávio Bolsonaro's party, allies
00:05:28of Governor, of Senator Flávio Bolsonaro command the largest
00:05:32electoral colleges in Brazil, São Paulo, Rio and Minas Gerais,
00:05:36also in all states of the Southern region, several states of the Midwest
00:05:39region, so it's a bit complex to say
00:05:43that there is a dictatorship in Brazil, that there is no value of
00:05:46democracy, when the opposition occupies many political spaces
00:05:49and many spaces of power. I think we will have a debate
00:05:53on this objective political issue of controlling the
00:05:57opposition, I think the debate is very much there, and this gesture by Flávio
00:06:00for me is an attempt to frame those who
00:06:03were beginning to want to debate other topics after
00:06:07the electoral defeat, that they need to debate the situation of the
00:06:11Bolsonaro family. So we will have to understand
00:06:14how much these allies are willing to
00:06:17sacrifice their political capital, sacrifice mandate decisions, right, we
00:06:21have a governor, the governor has to administer, has to manage, will the
00:06:24governor stop managing to make a speech regarding
00:06:28the Bolsonaro family? So we will have to understand a little bit in the day-to-day
00:06:32politics how much this self-declaration by Flávio will
00:06:36be respected by his own political camp,
00:06:38uh professor, right?
00:06:43Uh, what catches my attention are
00:06:46parts of the text that end up quoting other countries,
00:06:49specifically he brings into the conversation President Donald Trump, President
00:06:52Milei. Donald Trump has already made statements about the Brazilian
00:06:56election. Milei hasn't said anything so far, but anyway,
00:07:00he implies that Milei helped him and that
00:07:03he agrees with the actions of someone who lost the election and who now
00:07:07self-proclaims himself as president of Brazil
00:07:10also sensitive
00:07:12issues such as comparing himself to Charles
00:07:14de Gaulle, who, let's be honest, Charles
00:07:18de Gaulle participated in a government in England during
00:07:22a second world war, a fight against Nazis, that is,
00:07:25he also touches on sensitive topics for other
00:07:29nations?
00:07:32Yes, exactly, he tries to place himself in a position comparable
00:07:35to some of these historical figures, and the
00:07:38parallels don't fit, right, there's a lot of difference in
00:07:42the situations he mentions there. The issue of Javier
00:07:45Milei, right, is still under investigation by the Brazilian Federal
00:07:49Police, what was the level of involvement of Milei
00:07:53and his government in this operation, right, the
00:07:56first information, right, that he left through Argentina and
00:08:00that there may have been some help in this. Regarding
00:08:04Trump, Flávio doesn't state in the
00:08:08letter, at least, a participation, right, he said he was
00:08:11welcomed and... So these are slightly different gradations,
00:08:14we know that this will lead to a debate in the diplomatic field, I
00:08:18believe that regarding Milei, since the PL
00:08:21convention where Milei came to Brazil and insulted President
00:08:25Lula, diplomatic relations are at least
00:08:29there to avoid a rupture, I think there
00:08:32will be another noise with this possible
00:08:36help from the Milei government for this escape of Flávio Bolsonaro,
00:08:40regarding the United States, the...
00:08:49treatment of Flávio is an objective thing, Eduardo Bolsonaro is in the same situation, Alexandre Ramage, so there are some Brazilian politicians
00:08:52who emigrated to the United States alleging political persecution in
00:08:55Brazil, but there is a question of commercial negotiation between
00:08:59Brazil and the United States, President Donald Trump when he talks about the
00:09:03Brazilian election he criticizes the
00:09:06possibility of fraud in his words,
00:09:09but he also says that he likes the President.
00:09:13Uh, we saw throughout last year Trump's comings and goings
00:09:17regarding Brazil very much in this personal relationship with
00:09:20President Lula, so this is something we will have to understand how it stands, Professor,
00:09:24you mentioned comings and goings, I just want to update now
00:09:27because Flávio posted the text again
00:09:31and now he changes the initial version of the
00:09:34phrase, instead of true president of
00:09:37Brazil, the new version
00:09:40says uh as the leader
00:09:43of Brazil, so a new version of the letter,
00:09:47the coat of arms had already been changed and now in this new version he removes
00:09:50the term president and places him as leader, just
00:09:54taking advantage of your point about comings and goings, one more coming and going
00:09:58now from Flávio Bolsonaro.
00:10:01Very interesting, Gustavo, because it's a very symptomatic
00:10:05retreat, right, as we were saying that the dispute was for the leadership
00:10:09of the opposition, I think now the text became more
00:10:12precise regarding what is happening, right, the
00:10:15real objective is to lead the opposition, right, and
00:10:19he tries to lead the opposition from outside the
00:10:22country, which is not simple, as we stated
00:10:25here, there are parliamentarians in Brazil in opposition, there are governors in
00:10:29Brazil who are in opposition to the federal government and these parliamentarians, these
00:10:33governors will have daily political issues, daily public administration
00:10:37issues to make decisions, so
00:10:39I don't know to what extent they will submit to
00:10:43this leadership of someone who will no longer be in
00:10:45Brazil, uh, but it's really interesting this
00:10:49retreat, because when he declared himself the true
00:10:52elected president it was perhaps a more serious
00:10:56matter, if he is declaring himself as a leader, he is disputing
00:10:59this leadership of the opposition, then it becomes a more
00:11:03palpable debate, so to speak, even if this
00:11:06accusation of judicial persecution needs to be
00:11:10seen with some moderation, right, as I said,
00:11:13we have dozens of politicians, we will have four
00:11:16relatives of Flávio Bolsonaro in the national congress, with
00:11:19mandates, so this persecution also
00:11:23needs to be seen with some caution.
00:11:25Leciane, when Jair Bolsonaro loses the election in
00:11:292022, there were soon after the acts of January 8th,
00:11:33then Jair Bolsonaro in the dock and others
00:11:37other people from the government in the dock condemned and
00:11:41imprisoned in the coup plot and there was
00:11:43even by some analysts the
00:11:47guess or the analysis that this could weaken Bolsonarism,
00:11:50push away some right-wing leaders. But what we saw in
00:11:542026 was a significant part of the right still
00:11:57supporting Bolsonaro's name, endorsing Flávio Bolsonaro's
00:12:01candidacy. This strategy of Flávio Bolsonaro
00:12:05from outside Brazil presenting himself as the leader of the opposition
00:12:08leaving Brazil in this turbulent
00:12:12context, can it be a sign that this is a bet by Bolsonarism to
00:12:16maintain permanently this tense
00:12:19climate politically so
00:12:22that... Bolsonarism continues to lead the
00:12:26right?
00:12:28Yes,
00:12:30exactly, Renato, I think the dispute is this, right, we
00:12:34remembering, right, the choice of Flávio Bolsonaro as a presidential
00:12:38candidate, it was a unipersonal choice of Jair
00:12:41Bolsonaro, at that moment you had several allies
00:12:45defending the candidacy of Governor Tarcísio de Freitas and Jair
00:12:49Bolsonaro chose his son demonstrated having the political capital
00:12:52to support this choice, right, Governor Tarcísio himself
00:12:55gave up, other allies also
00:12:59retreated, uh, so this control of the opposition
00:13:03by the Bolsonaro family, it's a debate that opened as soon as
00:13:06the polls were closed and the result was
00:13:10known, right, with President Lula's victory, that there
00:13:13would be this dispute for control of the opposition, we know,
00:13:17right, we just went through a three-week process that changed the
00:13:20direction of politics, right, we came out of the
00:13:23first round with Brazil moving further to the right
00:13:27in the legislature, in several state governments, Flávio Bolsonaro's
00:13:30leadership in the first round, and ended three weeks later with
00:13:33a left-wing victory, right, with President Lula's victory,
00:13:37imagining this debate over 4 years about controlling the
00:13:40opposition, there are many variables along the way, right, as I said,
00:13:44we will have members of the Bolsonaro family in the National Congress,
00:13:48what will be their role, what will be the role of Michele Bolsonaro, for
00:13:51example, who yesterday met with Valdemar Costa Neto.
00:13:55A publication there of normality when you see Michele's
00:13:58publication with Waldemar Costa Neto at the same time that
00:14:02Flávio was organizing his escape from the country, so there may even be a
00:14:05debate in the Bolsonaro family right about who would lead
00:14:09this leadership of the family, uh, given the
00:14:12arrest of Jair Bolsonaro, right, who is
00:14:16out of the game, right, he will not be able to be a
00:14:20candidate in 2030, Flávio abroad
00:14:23will hardly have these conditions. The Bolsonaro family has a
00:14:27name for 2030, I think there's
00:14:30a debate to be had, right, we know that there are
00:14:33resistances within the family itself, Michele herself, uh,
00:14:37in the opposition there is more than Bolsonarism,
00:14:40you have several parliamentarians,
00:14:43governors who are in opposition to the Lula government, who
00:14:47have a relationship with Bolsonarism, but who are not
00:14:50exactly the same thing, what will emerge, what will be the
00:14:54process? I think these 4 years will still have many ups and
00:14:57downs, because we need to remember that the other
00:15:00camp is also in dispute, President Lula
00:15:04does not have a natural successor for 2030, so
00:15:07there will also be a dispute in the left camp and there is this
00:15:11possibility of an open field on both sides for us to understand what
00:15:15political forces will emerge until 2030. We
00:15:18have looked so far very much through the lens of the Bolsonaro family
00:15:22and also of the opposition to the government. But in your
00:15:26assessment, how will Itamaraty and the
00:15:29government itself, the executive, President
00:15:32Lula deal with this situation, what is the
00:15:36best way to deal with an opposition
00:15:39that has an oppositionist who for some moments
00:15:42self-proclaimed himself president of the country and tries to lead an
00:15:46opposition from the United States, uh,
00:15:49is there a better path to follow since
00:15:52this opponent has ties with two main
00:15:56partners of Brazil, in this case President Milei
00:15:59of Argentina and President Donald Trump of the United States with whom Brazil
00:16:03has serious diplomatic problems?
00:16:08Well, I think there are different situations, right, so if
00:16:11we prove that there was this objective help from
00:16:15Argentina regarding the escape of Jair
00:16:18Bolsonaro, you have a serious diplomatic incident, which will
00:16:22be treated this way by Itamaraty, the granting
00:16:25of asylum, there is a little more pacification
00:16:29on this, right, it's worth remembering, Eduardo Bolsonaro is already in the United
00:16:33States, so I imagine that regarding the United States government, the
00:16:36Brazilian government's posture, Lula's government,
00:16:40will be similar to what has been happening since the
00:16:43first tariff war, to try a negotiation
00:16:47to try to make President Donald Trump understand that this
00:16:50version that is being presented by the Bolsonaro family that there is a
00:16:53persecution of opponents in Brazil would not be a true
00:16:57version, so this is a debate that will perhaps be done
00:17:00more by convincing the American government
00:17:04about which side in
00:17:08Brazil is telling the truth. Uh, it's worth
00:17:11remembering, in the tariff war, in the first
00:17:14tariff war, we even had celebrations, for example, from Eduardo
00:17:18Bolsonaro, given the wear and tear this
00:17:21caused for the opposition here in Brazil, because the Brazilian
00:17:25productive sector had losses, it's a sector that has many
00:17:28supporters of the Bolsonaro government. In this second
00:17:31tariff war, Flávio Bolsonaro himself participated in a
00:17:35hearing to ask that the tariff war not be implemented until the
00:17:38elections, he was not heard, because as we already said
00:17:42here, Trump is always looking at internal politics,
00:17:45if it's interesting for him he will do it, if it's not interesting he will
00:17:49not do it and he has a calendar, he has an election next week,
00:17:53depending on the result of this election it may be interesting
00:17:56or not for him to foster the discourse that is being taken
00:18:00by Flávio to the United States, so I think we have
00:18:04to look a little at this American
00:18:07situation, understand what will come out of it, if Trump loses or not control
00:18:11of the legislative, then we will understand better. In addition
00:18:15to the challenge that this situation represents for the
00:18:18government itself, uh, what is the challenge for the situation,
00:18:22for the supporters of President Lula,
00:18:25because in the first moments, in the first hours, right after this
00:18:29announcement that Flávio Bolsonaro was not in Brazil, ah,
00:18:32the, uh, allies of President Lula
00:18:35rushed to the microphones
00:18:37to speak, to criticize Flávio Bolsonaro, but to what extent
00:18:41is this a correct strategy or will
00:18:45the situation also have to re-evaluate what to do
00:18:48given this scenario with Flávio Bolsonaro presenting himself as
00:18:51leader of Brazil abroad?
00:18:53Uh,
00:18:57look, when you are in government you need to take care of
00:19:00deliveries, this will be President Lula's challenge,
00:19:03right, I think we continue
00:19:06this debate. Right, Flávio trying to lead a position
00:19:10from outside, President Lula needs to be able to organize a base to
00:19:14govern, this base is not ready, this base is
00:19:17difficult, especially due to the situation in the Senate, the
00:19:20Senate today has a very complex issue
00:19:24with the weight that the opposition has in the Senate, the
00:19:27government may have difficulty approving bills with a simple
00:19:30majority in the Senate, so it's a very complex situation for
00:19:34the Brazilian reality, in the Chamber apparently the government can
00:19:38make a slightly better negotiation, the Senate scenario is very
00:19:41complex and for the supporters of President
00:19:44it is necessary to understand that the electoral campaign discourse, the discourse
00:19:48that led to the electoral victory against Bolsonaro, it was very
00:19:51efficient for the election, but the government in the end
00:19:55is judged by its management, uh,
00:19:58imagining, right, that 2030, as we said, without Lula, needs to build new
00:20:01leaderships, needs to build new deliveries, needs to build a new
00:20:05political alliance to present a project for the country for
00:20:09the post-Lula era, so there's a challenge for the government too
00:20:13and it will have this situation, right, of
00:20:16dealing with this international discourse that will be made
00:20:19there, right, that there are democratic problems in Brazil,
00:20:22positioning itself in an objective way in these forums,
00:20:26it's worth remembering, there's a prediction that President Lula will go to a G20
00:20:30meeting in the United States in the coming weeks, right, this
00:20:33could be an incident there,
00:20:37right, for us to understand how President Lula will be
00:20:40received if he confirms this presence, anyway, we have
00:20:44some things to happen in the coming weeks that will help us
00:20:48understand this picture a little better.
00:20:50Professor, we've been talking a lot about this analysis, but also imagining
00:20:54Flávio Bolsonaro's next steps, how is it
00:20:58possible to lead an opposition outside
00:21:01the country, that is, how to reverberate
00:21:05his positions outside the country,
00:21:09only through videos,
00:21:11or participating in CPACs that happen
00:21:15annually, semi-annually,
00:21:17uh, is it actually possible... and he will have to
00:21:21fight for a relevance that is
00:21:23difficult?
00:21:26Look, being in opposition is already very difficult, right,
00:21:29we saw several candidates for president who got
00:21:33good votes, went into opposition, sometimes
00:21:37even holding positions as senator and such, they couldn't
00:21:40have the same relevance in an electoral
00:21:43dispute, you are still in
00:21:46another country that has its own internal dynamics?
00:21:51Uh, the other countries, an objective fact, right, we had a
00:21:54conservative wave in South America and all these
00:21:58presidents, with the exception of Milei, recognized Lula's victory,
00:22:01so we have this difficulty, which is for you to
00:22:05be opposition when you will have a government operating, a government
00:22:08working, a government taking its initiatives,
00:22:11what
00:22:13will be the relevance of
00:22:16Flávio Bolsonaro's discourse abroad?
00:22:20While you have opposition leaders here
00:22:23dealing with the day-to-day decisions, criticizing government
00:22:26decisions, making changes, negotiations, so it's really
00:22:30not an easy task that Senator Flávio Bolsonaro chose
00:22:33to try to be this leader abroad, there's this bet
00:22:37on the diplomatic path that this will generate pressure in Brazil,
00:22:41uh, I think we have there perhaps the point for me
00:22:44interesting in the letter is the issue of the judiciary, right, he
00:22:48points out the need to impeach a Supreme Court minister
00:22:52and this is a debate that already involves the election for
00:22:55the Senate presidency in February, right, Senator Davi Alcolumbre
00:22:59seeks his re-election as Senate president and has a discourse
00:23:03clearly against the impeachment of a Supreme Court minister. Senator Rogério
00:23:06Marinho, who was appointed by Flávio as his
00:23:09candidate, has a favorable discourse. Senator Teresa
00:23:13Cristina, who is from Flávio Bolsonaro's camp, has already declared
00:23:15herself a candidate, also has a favorable discourse. So this discourse about the
00:23:19judiciary, it's a first discourse, now how much of it will be
00:23:22made by Flávio in the United States, how much of it will be made by the senators who
00:23:26are here in Brazil and who will have this debate more in their day-to-day
00:23:30lives, so it's a bit complicated to understand that
00:23:33the senators, the politicians who stayed in Brazil will only be here
00:23:37implementing orders that come from Flávio, it
00:23:40does not seem to be the most likely scenario. Briscian, taking
00:23:44advantage of the hook of the judiciary, right? What
00:23:47about the STF, what can we... what actions
00:23:51will there be in the STF after this
00:23:54positioning by Flávio Bolsonaro, including
00:23:57defending the impeachment of ministers
00:24:00and in the next sessions, we are already imagining
00:24:03a rather turbulent atmosphere there because of
00:24:06decisions by Cristiano Zanin and Cásio Nunes Marques, in addition to all that
00:24:10crisis we saw involving André Mendonça
00:24:14and Alexandre de Moraes.
00:24:17Well, we've been... We've had this debate for
00:24:21some months now. We had that session, right, on September 15th,
00:24:25which is a session that will be marked in history
00:24:28in a negative way, the way the
00:24:31Supreme Court reacted when it had to debate the conduct of
00:24:35ministers, right, regarding accusations. This
00:24:38is a topic that the Supreme Court will have to take a stand on in the short term. The
00:24:42Supreme Court will have to give an answer on how it will address
00:24:45this issue, right, the conduct of Alexandre de Moraes,
00:24:49as well as the accusations that exist against other ministers, such as
00:24:52Nunes Marques. André Mendonça himself is accused
00:24:56by some ministers of political conduct of processes.
00:24:59So there are some debates about the stance of the Supreme Federal
00:25:03Court. As I said, President Lula during his campaign
00:25:06defended a reform of the judiciary, without making it clear
00:25:09how he will do it, what is intended. One of the things that is in the debate
00:25:13is a mandate for Supreme Court ministers. Is that something
00:25:16that will advance, is it something that will be approved? So there are some
00:25:20debates about the Supreme Federal Court that will happen, right, in, I think already
00:25:24in the coming weeks and especially next year.
00:25:27And we need to remember that there is the
00:25:30prospect of President Lula appointing four more ministers to the
00:25:33Supreme Court. With a difficult majority in the Senate, will
00:25:36President Lula be able to approve these ministers? So this is a point
00:25:40of attention, and there are objectively
00:25:43criminal investigations against Senator Flávio Bolsonaro.
00:25:47Senator Flávio Bolsonaro is under investigation for
00:25:51suspected money laundering in dealings with lawyer William
00:25:54Tomás. Senator Flávio Bolsonaro is accused regarding the dark
00:25:57horse film of having taken money, right, from
00:26:01Daniel Varcaro, which would be, according to him, for the financing of the film, but
00:26:05which may have been used for another purpose. So, Senator
00:26:08Flávio Bolsonaro is under investigation,
00:26:11eh, in the Supreme Court at this moment. When he leaves
00:26:15office, which only happens on January 31st, the Supreme Court's first
00:26:18decision will be whether to keep this investigation there, or if it will go down to the first
00:26:22instance. But in any case, from a criminal point of view, there are questions to be
00:26:26clarified by Senator Flávio Bolsonaro as well. So the
00:26:29debate requires looking at the conduct of the ministers of the Supreme
00:26:33Court without letting the investigations that need to be done progress
00:26:36in a correct
00:27:06Steel Company startled residents of Volta
00:27:09Redonda, in Rio de Janeiro. Videos recorded a
00:27:13huge cloud of smoke in the region. Look, in a note,
00:27:17CSN stated that, around
00:27:201:30 in the afternoon, during the operation of
00:27:24unloading pig iron, the contact of the
00:27:27material at high temperature, with the excess
00:27:31humidity of the soil, caused a strong reaction
00:27:34with the release of heat and smoke in visible
00:27:38proportions both inside and around
00:27:41the plant. The military fire department
00:27:44of the state of Rio de Janeiro was
00:27:47called to the incident at the company. The CSN
00:27:51brigade acted to combat the initial fires.
00:27:55The fire department teams conducted a sweep
00:27:58of the area and confirmed that
00:28:02there are
00:28:03no victims.
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