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00:00:00Thank you, all right, that is American now for now, I'm Ben
00:00:02of Swan, have a great night, thanks for watching and be sure to tune in again every night,
00:00:066,7, 8, 9, 10, we're on all the time, and
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00:00:43of in Joining us now is
00:00:43a renowned diplomat, ambassador Kanwal Sabal, he is India's former foreign
00:00:48a secretary, among other things because he's been representing his country in many countries in the past, and
00:00:52it's an honor for us to be able to have a conversation, Mr. Ambassador, thank you so much for joining us,
00:00:55sir, my my pleasure, thanks for inviting me, I guess we got to start with this...
00:01:00situation that's going on, this
00:01:02of bruh between India and
00:01:06of Metta, how would you describe what's going on? is it a real, is it a real case, is it
00:01:10a real story or is the media just kind of going crazy with this thing? no, no,
00:01:14it's a real story, and the government of India has taken this very
00:01:17seriously, they summoned meta
00:01:20chief to India, he has come along with
00:01:24another senior executive to talk to the government of
00:01:28of India, because the... government is extremely
00:01:31unhappy that prime
00:01:34minister's address to the nation at
00:01:38midnight a particular day when this
00:01:41a agitation in Delhi was going on was not aired
00:01:45me by meta
00:01:47and the protesters what they were saying the
00:01:51agitators their statements and some
00:01:53of them were absolutely vicious in terms of language
00:01:57use was being freely uh
00:02:00propagated, which means that the algorithms have been done in
00:02:04such a way that anything which is anti
00:02:06a government will get amplified and
00:02:10of anything which explains the viewpoint
00:02:12of the government will be suppressed. five hours they did
00:02:16not air
00:02:16in this,
00:02:17in which has
00:02:18in rankled the government and they have summoned these people and they have come,
00:02:22i think today they are there, and apparently according to our the
00:02:26secretary in charge of our IT ministry, mac zakarb.
00:02:30has expressed his regret and said that they will
00:02:33now redo things in such a way that this does not, this does
00:02:37not get repeated, that is one issue, the other issue of course
00:02:41is child sexual abuse and stuff like that, which is a
00:02:44problem for Europe and for India, so this
00:02:48time we've told them that you going to lose
00:02:51of your safe harbor if you continue
00:02:55in not to deal with the issues that we are raising with you
00:02:59and also in the future when we raise issue with you, we don't want
00:03:03you to say,
00:03:03of bring a court order and stuff like that, this has to be within, i
00:03:07they given some time limit, i don't know what exactly
00:03:12of it is, i forgotten, they given time limit in which the objectionable material has to
00:03:16be removed from the platforms, we've had people on the air here at RT
00:03:20today saying that this could have turned dangerous because he what he was essentially trying
00:03:24to do was give an explanation to try and quell demonstrations that were
00:03:28going on in the country and if people in those demonstrations don't hear from their prime
00:03:32minister, those those those demonstrations could turn uh
00:03:35more violent, is is that a good point? do you agree with that? yes, of
00:03:39course, but this is true, this is correct. in fact, the whole
00:03:43thing, see the prime minister announced in his speech
00:03:47that all the youngsters who were guilty
00:03:50of the most abominable language directed against the
00:03:54government and the prime minister himself, will not be proceeded
00:03:58against legally, yeah.
00:04:00non there no firs or police reports
00:04:04filed against them because he said that look at the end
00:04:06of the day children are children they can commit mistakes, they should have a
00:04:11of chance to make amens, change the thinking, they have to
00:04:15be persuaded, the elders have to deal with this
00:04:19in a manner that the children are brought back into the right path, and if he then
00:04:23force them to spend their life in courts and in police stations, that's not the way to
00:04:26go about
00:04:27of it, but those who actually commuted. serious
00:04:31criminal offenses by attacking policemen and injuring them, some
00:04:34of them severely, those will be proceeded against.
00:04:38so now this is very important statement, but
00:04:42of then then of course the the met people did
00:04:46not, they did not relay it, they did not put it on their
00:04:49platforms, because the algorithms have been done in such a way that anything which is
00:04:53anti government will get air much more than something which actually
00:04:57explains the government's point of view. what do you make of? these algorithms that they
00:05:01use in social media, I'll give you
00:05:02of an example in my case, right? I mean, I have won emi awards, I have
00:05:06won p body awards, journalism awards, I
00:05:10of worked at CNN and NBC. interviewed four
00:05:13different presidents the United States and other prime ministers and world leaders,
00:05:17and yet now, simply because I'm based in
00:05:21Moscow, the algorithm says, I have to be excluded
00:05:25from YouTube, so they've taken down my name, my brand, my
00:05:28channel. It doesn't seem fair to me, I'm no different to journalist
00:05:32here than I was when I was working in Washington or New York or
00:05:36Miami, but the algorithms say now, I'm a bad
00:05:39guy. That doesn't seem fair to me. It's almost like what they're doing in
00:05:43this case, is it not? Well, I think you're using very mild words
00:05:47saying is not fair, I think is worse than that. I mean, this is
00:05:51contrary to all the values that they talk about a spouse, and they
00:05:55harang the rest the world with those values which
00:05:59which makes them feel morally and politically superior.
00:06:02This kind of, this kind of suppression of voices,
00:06:06not allowing the public to get access to different points of view by serious
00:06:10people. Now you are serious person. so it's not as if you
00:06:13are a propagandist of any
00:06:16kind, but look, at the moment I am in Paris and I
00:06:20see the French TV, my god, you would think that Russia is
00:06:24collapsing, it's finished as a country, it's on his last legs, is going to break
00:06:28up, and Kiev is successful in every possible
00:06:31way, and
00:06:33then any any drone thing that happens anywhere in Europe, this time in Germany
00:06:37somewhere near den or some place like that,
00:06:40again that these are the Russians, doing this and stuff like that, now this
00:06:44kind of brain washing that is going on, I can understand that you
00:06:48have kind of an honest debate where a person can hold these views, but then
00:06:52there is another person who gives different point of view so as so that the
00:06:56public can judge where really the truth lies, of course, but it is
00:06:59all one sided, you don't feel like watching television here, frankly, it's
00:07:03such such a comedown, let's talk a little bit what's going on in
00:07:07Iran, which is obviously the biggest story in the world and nobody seems to be able to figure it out
00:07:11including the president United States, here's what you just wrote, okay, this is your latest
00:07:15post, you say everything that could go wrong for the United States in Iran
00:07:19appears to have gone wrong, what began as attempt to force a strategic outcome has
00:07:22instead strengthened Iran's regional position and
00:07:26exposed the limits of American power, this is important to
00:07:30hear what you have to say, because you're such an experienced
00:07:34diplomat, do you feel like the United States just stepped in it, as
00:07:37we say in the west, well if this was the first time
00:07:41they did it. 'I would say that it was a mistake, but they've been doing it again and
00:07:45again, yeah, this is the problem, they think that they can get away with it and
00:07:49they don't learn lessons from history, after all Iraq, look
00:07:53what's happened to Iraq, what's happened to Libya, what happened to
00:07:56Syria, yugoslavia has been broken up, this hasn't brought
00:08:00about stability, peace, peace in this region
00:08:04or allows societies to function
00:08:07properly or or bring about growth and
00:08:11prosperity, nothing of'. Yeah, but this, but I repeat that
00:08:15mistake time and again, but this time, Mr. Ambassador, if I can interrupt you, it seems to be
00:08:19like this time, this might be the McDady of all uh,
00:08:23errors on on on the part the United States, because you're
00:08:26right, we lost a war in Vietnam, we
00:08:29lost Libya, we lost in Iraq, we lost in
00:08:32Afghanistan, and you could go right down the list, but nobody really
00:08:36notice, no, nobody really said, wow, the United States just got
00:08:40its butt kicked, right? "this time, that's
00:08:44what all the world is kind of saying, I think, maybe I'm looking at it from
00:08:48too far, you agree? well, actually,
00:08:51it is, it is very surprising that Iran has shown such
00:08:55capacity, such resilience, after all, it has been under
00:08:59sanctions for god knows how many decades, yeah, nevertheless, despite
00:09:03this, despite this, they have been able to develop
00:09:06military capabilities which are absolutely astonishing, yeah, of
00:09:10have the kind of military capabilities that" most countries in the global south
00:09:14simply don't have, how have they done it? and then their
00:09:18capacity to bear punishment, after all they have, they have been subject
00:09:22to, god knows how many thousands their targets have
00:09:25been been attack, the infrastructure has been attacked
00:09:29also, but nevertheless they are committed to a
00:09:32certain, they have committed to their country and they are willing to bear
00:09:36this punishment, now the biggest, biggest, biggest
00:09:39tool that they have in their hand which united states did not cater
00:09:43for and Trump to my mind quite surprisingly admitted that
00:09:47Iran will close the state of hormos, which would mean that this
00:09:51will affect the flow of oil through this region and then will affect global oil
00:09:55prices, yes, secondly that he will actually
00:09:58attack the gulf countries, now in so
00:10:02both both the state of hormones and the gulf countries have become
00:10:06hostage, because if he start destroying the energy infrastructure
00:10:10of Saudi Arabia or of UAE or the... the salination plants or
00:10:13whatever else and they have shown the capacity to do so because they have actually attacked
00:10:17successfully the US bases in the region which were
00:10:20defended now all these other civilian plants
00:10:23energy or water. selling nation, they are not defended, they're not,
00:10:27so they can be easily targeted. now if that happens, these
00:10:31societies in the Gulf will collaps and it will be dramatic
00:10:35consequence for this region and for the global economy. so I just don't
00:10:39know who the advisors of Mr. Trump are, whether he listens to anybody
00:10:42advice, what his world view is,
00:10:44what is his sense of geopolitics, I mean he thought that you
00:10:47know he can do a Venezuelan like operation in Iran and and get
00:10:51away with it, and now he has to live with the consequences and those
00:10:55consequences maybe in some senses Iran has become
00:10:59stronger, but this doesn't necessarily mean that tomorrow there is going to
00:11:03be sort of better geopolitical situation
00:11:06situation in this region, it won't be the case. you know what it
00:11:10is about India in particular from diplomatic standpoint,
00:11:14and I'm talking to the right guy to be asking this question, because you
00:11:17are you know supreme among the many diplomats that have come
00:11:21out of India over the hundreds of years, but ' India
00:11:25always plays the role the moderate and India
00:11:29is always able to be
00:11:32opportunistic about all things that happen in the
00:11:36world, and I ask you this because you, I've seen
00:11:39India do that regarding China, regarding the United States, regarding Europe,
00:11:43and most notably now regarding uh Russia when it comes to
00:11:47oil, for example, where used, you're now getting like a third of
00:11:51your crew from Russia where you weren't in the past and...
00:11:55because Russian oil
00:11:56is a premium and it's less expensive, makes sense, right? It's a business
00:11:59decision. So what I'm wondering is is I hear you talk about
00:12:03the rise of Iran, what will happen or what
00:12:07might happen in this relationship in the future
00:12:10between Iran and India, if indeed Iran comes out the
00:12:14victor in all of this? Well, from our point of
00:12:17view, we have to have, we have
00:12:21to, you know, very... delicately
00:12:25balance our ties in this region, because our ties with
00:12:28the gulf countries, especially with the UAE are extremely important, we
00:12:32have about 3.7 million expatriates in the UAE and about
00:12:369 to 10 million all together in in this region, but
00:12:40Iran is very important a very a very different way, mind
00:12:44you, at one time Iran was the second biggest supplier of
00:12:48oil to India until United States forced us with
00:12:52the threat of sanctions to stop buying oil from Iran. and
00:12:55since we could get oil from Iraq and Saudi Arabia
00:12:59and UAE and there other sources, so we sort
00:13:02of we sort of decided, all right, we have no
00:13:06choice, we will do it, but we will not be left high and dry because we have
00:13:10all alternative sources of supply, but tomorrow if there
00:13:14is an agreement in this region, Iran is right close to us,
00:13:18it is natural that we should have an energy ties with Iran
00:13:22and they can be revived and because of that, 'there will be
00:13:26such a there will be much more fallout in terms of economic ties and
00:13:29then of course there is a chabar port which links us to Afghanistan and central
00:13:33Asia, the international north south trade corridor which links
00:13:37India to Russia, these are projects which have not gone off the ground because of
00:13:40US sanctions and Iran's very troubled
00:13:43relationship with with the United States, but if tomorrow there is
00:13:47stability, these projects can also take off and it can
00:13:51benefit, it can benefit central Asia and benefit Russia, benefit'.
00:13:55India and then finally we need to have a balance between the shas and sunnis,
00:13:59frankly, the gulf countries are sunnis largely, Iran is
00:14:03Shia, we need to balance our relationship with with these
00:14:06two, you know,
00:14:09sectarian bits of the Islamic world,
00:14:13so that we are not seen as being close to one or close to
00:14:17the other, now you mentioned that India has been opportunistic, I would say not
00:14:20opportunistic, this is part of our philosophy right from the time that
00:14:24we this to be aligned during the during the cold war, that it
00:14:28didn't serve our interest to be on one side against the other, what for, if
00:14:32the other side doesn't do any harm to us, why should we be against the other side? yeah,
00:14:36right, is the same logic today, if we can have good relations with everybody, we
00:14:40would like to have them, there's only one sticking area
00:14:44where India has been getting a little bit of a blast of late
00:14:48from people around the world, of course these are all johnny come lately because people
00:14:51who never criticized Israel are all of sudden all over.
00:14:55Israel, it only took him a while to get there, but there there seems to be a
00:14:59sense that India might be a little too cozy with Israel, how would you
00:15:02respond to that? well, we have
00:15:06been cozy with Israel, no doubt after the Madrid
00:15:10peace accords, we establish diplomatic ties with
00:15:14Israel, and after that the Arab countries have never objected,
00:15:18in fact our relationship with Egypt with the Gulf
00:15:21countries, including Saudi Arabia, what have you, has blossomed.
00:15:25'all these years when they knew very well what our ties
00:15:29with Israel were, even with Iran, we are maintain
00:15:33a certain level of ties, the Iranian presidents have visited
00:15:36India - prime minister has visited Iran, our foreign minister
00:15:40has visited Iran several times and they know that we are very close close
00:15:44relations with Israel, so they have understood that if you have close relations with
00:15:48Israel, the target are not the Palestinians, we were
00:15:52the first arab state to recognize Palestinian as a state
00:15:56and they opened their embassy in New Delhi and we continue to support their
00:15:59cause, but there are other reasons why we need close
00:16:03ties with Israel, because they have supplied us certain very critical
00:16:07technologi over these in the area of counter terrorism and since we have suffered
00:16:10from terrorism all these years, this is very very helpful,
00:16:14plus there are certain areas, some advanced missile
00:16:18technologies where they have collaborated with us
00:16:21and established very close ties with people working on
00:16:25these systems in India, so it's a very, it's a very
00:16:29mutually beneficial relationship, but from our point of
00:16:33view it does not come a cost of our relationship either with the
00:16:37Arab. world or or Iran whatever and I'll come back
00:16:41to the same thing, why should the Arab World and Iran then tell us like
00:16:44United States is telling us right, friendly with Russia, so why should they tell us
00:16:48don't be friendly with Israel? no, it's consistent, it's consistent with, I mean if you
00:16:52study India's mo as much as I have tried to, it's
00:16:55consistent with what India's diplomatic policies
00:16:59have long been. I mean, the only thing I would add though, in
00:17:03this case though, how do you skirt the issue the uh...
00:17:07genocide concern that so many people raise, how do you deal
00:17:11with that?
00:17:13it is very difficult issue, but if there is anybody responsible
00:17:17for this genocide in terms of
00:17:19support, which is that country? let ask
00:17:23you, and which is that country which has actually
00:17:26given full political, military, security cover to
00:17:30Israel to do what it did. are you referring to my country, mr.
00:17:33ambassador? well,
00:17:35you know, i don't want to say all the time America, America, America, but
00:17:39is clear, yeah, so rather than focusing on India, if
00:17:43you have kind of relationship with Israel, which is not
00:17:47at all the same dimension, I mean if the US, Israel
00:17:51dimension was 100, our dimension Israel is one, I mean, so
00:17:54why blame us for what Israel has done in Gaza and
00:17:58this and that and that, but to to be more serious answering your question
00:18:02it is a problem, yeah, there are no voices in
00:18:06India which are... feeling awkward about the fact that we have
00:18:10very close ties with Israel and Israel has dragged us into a
00:18:13situation where we seem to be some some
00:18:17way not sufficiently vocal enough in order to condemn
00:18:20Israel for what has been done in Gaza. our opposition
00:18:24parties are pretty open, they condemn Israel. government is more careful
00:18:28because they balance the positives and negatives and they don't feel that they are
00:18:32any way responsible for this and the countries which
00:18:36actually ought to... be able to to win Israel
00:18:40away from this method of dealing with
00:18:42opposition is the United States of America and
00:18:46now the United States of America has teamed up with Israel to hit at
00:18:50Iran creating even a further problem
00:18:54so therefore i i would say yes it's an issue but we have
00:18:58to see things in proportion yeah in diplomacy it is
00:19:02never that things are always lily white and every every
00:19:05way there are compromises here. there but they should be compromises which
00:19:09are defensible. It's a fair answer and I think uh that
00:19:12you've uh you you've met it head on and I appreciate that and I think our viewers all over the world
00:19:16watching us right now, millions of people are listening to your words and I think
00:19:20uh that you've uh you you you've walked that balance
00:19:24of this difficult situation very well and and expressed
00:19:28yourself very well. Uh, what do you think of Mr. Modi? Is
00:19:32he good, is he good PM? I think in the
00:19:36last uh... 10 years of his
00:19:39governance and more, he
00:19:42has brought a great deal of
00:19:45change in India, economic
00:19:49growth has been sustained, infrastructure has been
00:19:52developed, especially road and railways, remarkable
00:19:56change there, the IT sector is doing extremely well,
00:20:00now he has embarked upon a mission to
00:20:03develop critical technologies in India, semiconductor and whatever.
00:20:07you lot of money, lot of money is going into into this, he is giving
00:20:11tax holidays to companies which can come and set up
00:20:15fabrication units in India in these
00:20:18critical areas, so he's looking ahead, I mean
00:20:22his goal by 2047 is that India should be developed
00:20:25country, now we won't be there in 2047, we won't
00:20:29be there either, but nevertheless this is what his
00:20:33aspiration is and he is working towards that now.
00:20:37"the international environment has become much more difficult, at one time is seen that it
00:20:41will be smoother sailing than
00:20:43it is now with the kind of policy that Trump is pursuing, he w the
00:20:46entire international system, political, security."
00:20:50so how do we navigate
00:20:52and he has created a lot of tensions in relations with India and we were depending
00:20:56on United States as as a key partner for
00:20:59modernizing our country for developing our manufacturing in the most advanced
00:21:03sectors for big time investments and this and that now
00:21:07that that has been interrupted but let's see Trump will will not be
00:21:11there forever and hopefully the Americans will find a new president who is a
00:21:14little more reasonable and has better sense of
00:21:17geopolitics so... on the whole I would say
00:21:21that Modi is doing extremely well, but
00:21:25but but but people are many people in
00:21:28India, the opposition parties and many almost
00:21:32congenital anti Indian forces abroad are not happy, they don't want a
00:21:36strong India, because a strong India can't be manipulated, a
00:21:40weak India or an India that is not sure of itself, which
00:21:43needs needs to make compromises externally to be
00:21:46able to get the things that I mentioned. that
00:21:50India they like, that India they like, India they can talk down
00:21:54to India, they can lecture, and whose internal
00:21:58affairs they can interfere with, so this
00:22:02is where the problem is, unfortunately for us, our internal lobbies
00:22:06and certain external lobbies and think tanks in the media, now look,
00:22:10we have some excellent relations with some European
00:22:13countries, including this country where I am currently,
00:22:17but look at their media,
00:22:19it is not at all sympathetic to India, no right, and
00:22:22here's the case with Britain, Britain is not at all sympathetic towards
00:22:26India, German media is not sympathetic towards India, though mind you at the
00:22:30political level, India and Germany, India and France, India and the
00:22:33UK, India and the US, US press is very negative about India at
00:22:37the official level, there is good understanding, there is
00:22:41a feeling that we must move forward together, but they use the media
00:22:45to keep us, keep us unbalanced, to make us look towards
00:22:48them, to make a ple you to to sort of
00:22:52exploit our weaknesses within within our system, because
00:22:561.4 billion people with so many ethnic groups and
00:23:00religions and cultures and languages, there is lot of scope for
00:23:03mischief, always
00:23:05they always will be pp, people will be unhappy a
00:23:08democratic society of 1.4 billion people, so this
00:23:12gives this gives gives an opportunity for others to interfere in
00:23:16our relation and they want to do that, but we have to coke with this, it's funny how
00:23:20this works in America, India, America relations, cuz on the
00:23:24one hand, from a personal or familiar standpoint, right?
00:23:28I'll give you an example, just using myself as an example, I live in Miami, and
00:23:31my doctor, he's an Indian American, my lawyer,
00:23:35Ravi, he's an Indian American, so the
00:23:39depth and breathth the penetration of
00:23:43India and its culture and its people in America is
00:23:46vast, as obviously you well know, because you're well.
00:23:50but the perception of India outside the people who are
00:23:54from India who live in America is not wide and
00:23:58varied, in fact too often it's
00:24:01stereotypical if anything
00:24:03else. Is that your
00:24:06perception as well? we not able
00:24:10to change that, because in part this meta
00:24:14business, control over these platforms, international platforms and
00:24:18their algorithms and everything else. "it's a very powerful tool
00:24:22that's available to the west, the United States America to
00:24:26shape narratives and they play very very major role,
00:24:30especially because the youngsters now only want
00:24:33to have access to these platforms, they don't read any serious
00:24:36journals or newspapers or whatever you, and their minds can be
00:24:40conditioned, certain narratives can be promoted, and we don't have the
00:24:44tools, the Chinese have shielded themselves, but democratic India can't shield
00:24:47itself, so we are constantly fighting. this battle of
00:24:51changing the narratives, but even if we have story to
00:24:55sell, who will pick it up, who will pick it up, the
00:24:59international media not going to pick it up, these platforms are not going to pick it up,
00:25:03i will, we will, we'll do it, we'll put it here, that's what we try to
00:25:06do, mean, and uh, and we've got a pretty big audience,
00:25:10no, but you're absolutely right, i get what you're saying, i think it's hard
00:25:14to fight the hollywoodization the media in the
00:25:18United States,
00:25:19you know, one they what they do with movies about India for example,
00:25:23they make it look like the country's a slum when when it's far
00:25:27far far from that, they they they don't they don't accentuate the
00:25:31the the economic capabilities the country where it's going and
00:25:34instead we get the that stereotypical same as Russia same as China
00:25:38same as Muslims in the Middle East
00:25:42and and that's that's the culpart in the end. I think you're absolutely
00:25:45right, Mr. Ambassador, how do we change that, because that's...
00:25:50ke to be able to change people's acceptance the world and other
00:25:53countries. in 1970s Mrs. Indira
00:25:56Gandhi was at the head
00:26:00the what we now called the global south or the
00:26:03online countries in UNESCO to build
00:26:07new information order, new world information
00:26:11order, because the feeling back then,
00:26:14and
00:26:15this is
00:26:16f decades ago that the narratives about the rest the world were
00:26:20being controlled by the west, so we need a
00:26:23changed change in the information system, but it
00:26:27hasn't happened, on the contter
00:26:28to the development these platforms, now there is even a bigger grip.
00:26:33the western media broadly defined
00:26:36including social media on defining
00:26:40global narratives. I feel like I've just had a long conversation with a
00:26:44friend, we could go on forever, but we'll have to do it another time. Mr.
00:26:48Ambassador uh Khanwal, it's such an honor and a pleasure and you've been so
00:26:52gracious with your time. We thank you for spending such wonderful time with
00:26:55us. My pleasure, thank you very much. All right, well that's
00:26:59that's it for us. It's always a wonderful opportunity. to be able to speak to
00:27:03someone who gives you a you know a true measure of uh
00:27:07nation in his case, I mean this is one the most respected and uh diplomats in
00:27:11the world and to be able to go through the litany of all the questions that need to
00:27:15be asked about you know including my conversation with him about his
00:27:19relationship or his country's relationship with Israel which is really a
00:27:23as they would say they're a sticky wicket issue right um and he
00:27:26was honest you know and he was transparent and he took on the
00:27:30questions that's so important I'm so glad that we're able to do this for you
00:27:33and I'm so glad that you're there to let us do this for you, thanks so much for being with us, we're
00:27:37going to share this of course on X and on Spotify and it'll be on
00:27:41bit shooting, believe it or not, people, I don't have a channel on
00:27:45YouTube, but yes last night my wife and I were looking at YouTube, so
00:27:49people on YouTube are now taking our shows and putting it on the
00:27:53air and they're getting tens of thousands of views, has nothing
00:27:57to do with us, people just take it and put it on there cuz they want people to see it,
00:28:01whoever you are, thank you. Thank you, that's nice, I guess,
00:28:05uh, and then there's bit shoot, uh, you know, I've joined bit shoot because
00:28:08they promise they won't take my stuff down, they will not cancel me, they won't
00:28:12demonetize me, they won't do all of that stuff, so check out
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00:28:20homes, I'm Rick Sanchez, and we'll look for you next
00:28:22time.
00:28:46Take a fresh look around at life, colydoscopic, isn't
00:28:50it? A shattered reality distorted by
00:28:54power, tired vision with no real
00:28:57opinions, pictures designed to
00:29:01simplify or... fews, who really wants a
00:29:05better world, and is it just for the chosen
00:29:08few? fractured images presented as
00:29:12fact, can you see through their illusions? going
00:29:15underground
00:29:16can,
00:29:29you're walking what 26, 2,800 miles for peace? you need
00:29:33positive stuff right now, it's
00:29:36the, I mean, they're walking for peace, it's something that they're doing, it's
00:29:39phenomenal, monks have not asked one
00:29:43person to conform to their religion, they only want to
00:29:46bring the attention to peace and everybody needs to listen
00:29:50to
00:29:50that,
00:29:56the crowd surprised us the most uh, with everyone coming out,
00:30:00as far as the crowd, it just started like... and progressively like
00:30:04small, we have
00:30:08to continue our walk for the rest of our life to turn
00:30:12this world into a beautiful world, will you walk with
00:30:15us?
00:30:19pm
00:30:19on the east coast, I'm
00:30:20Ben Swan, here are the stories we're following at this hour: first, could the
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00:30:35questions about experimental weapons in America. And
00:30:38finally, the migrant crisis in Spain isn't just about borders anymore,
00:30:42it's now reigniting a high stakes power struggle for
00:30:46energy. You know, on this show, we know you don't need more content, but you do
00:30:50need context. Anybody can tell you what's happening in the news? Tonight
00:30:53we hope to help you understand why it's happening, how it's happening, and how it
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