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00:00:25Russia's investigative committee unpacks the results of its probe
00:00:29into Kiev's. the invasion
00:00:30of the kursk border region launched two years ago to
00:00:34this. also ahead on the program, thousands
00:00:38of migrants, including many children remain in suita
00:00:41of following last week's mass influx into spain. we examine the political
00:00:45fallout as the EU demands that Morocco police the very frontier
00:00:49it contests and the
00:00:52devastating consequences on leash by the atomic age is
00:00:56remembered this August the 6th, as Hiroshima marks:
00:01:0081 years since the US dropped the
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00:01:18of international news
00:01:19of rap. four people have been reported wounded in a Ukrainian drone attack on
00:01:23Russia's Yaraslaval region. our defenses are said to have destroyed
00:01:27close to 100 UAVs there, which the local governor called the
00:01:30of largest ever drone assault on the area. storage tanks at
00:01:34a refinery were hit by falling debris with emergency
00:01:38services working to put
00:01:40of out the resulting fire. well right ahead of
00:01:44that, Ukraine's forces
00:01:45of attacked hospital in Dunbas launching a drone into a
00:01:48ward. one woman was killed and two other people
00:01:52wounded.
00:01:53of according to federal authorities fragments found at the scene suggest the
00:01:56UAV was
00:01:57of produced in the west.
00:02:01of during inspection
00:02:02of the scene, it was determined that the attack resulted in extensive damage to
00:02:06the medical facility building, including destruction of its exterior facades
00:02:10and shattered glass. furthermore, according to preliminary
00:02:13information, one civilian was killed in the attack, and at least two others
00:02:17sustained injuries of varying severity. they are
00:02:20of currently receiving medical attention. furthermore, fragments
00:02:23of what are believed to be foreign made drones were found at the attack site. these
00:02:27fragments will be seized and sent for examination. determine the specific type
00:02:31and nature
00:02:31of the explosive device, information on casualties and damage is being
00:02:37a clarified. well, moscow is continuing its probe into quote war
00:02:40crimes
00:02:42in committed by the Ukrainian military and foreign
00:02:44a mercenaries during Kiev's incursion of Russia's Kursk region, which began
00:02:48exactly two years ago and ended some months later.
00:02:51640 people were killed, with hundreds more wounded
00:02:55and displaced including civilians forcibly taken as prisoners of
00:02:59war. Well, the Russian investigative committee
00:03:03have once again indicated that no crime committed by the
00:03:07Kiev regime will be forgotten or go unpunished.
00:03:11Now
00:03:11the harshest sentences await all those that committed
00:03:15of terrorist of acts against civilians and some
00:03:18of the verdicts have already been announced. Now the map of
00:03:22atrocities committed by Ukrainian militas militants and
00:03:25foreign mercenaries is very vast but
00:03:28one Russian region. stands out among the rest.
00:03:32exactly two years ago on this day, the Kiv regime invaded
00:03:36of Russia in the Koursk region and
00:03:38of occupied several dozen settlements. now acting with a feeling
00:03:42of complete impunity against civilians who could not
00:03:46put up a fight against armed goons, they committed
00:03:49of
00:03:49of massive, especially serious crimes. now those included
00:03:53mass murders,
00:03:55a rape and other acts of sexual nature,
00:03:59looting and kidnapping of civilians, one Ukrainian militant
00:04:02by the name of Yevgini Fabrisenko along with
00:04:06accomplices
00:04:07of killed 14 civilians in the
00:04:09of village of. now investigators said that
00:04:13they also raped eight
00:04:16of of women and later executed them. now those
00:04:19of involved of received life sentences while other Ukrainian soldiers who
00:04:22stole goods worth several million
00:04:25of rubles from local store were also sentenced to long
00:04:29prison terms. "now 640 civilians were
00:04:32killed,
00:04:34of 561 were wounded by Ukrainian militants in the Course
00:04:37Cregian alone. Now when Russia began liberating
00:04:41uh the region, investigators made shocking discoveries
00:04:45as they found
00:04:46of multiple bodies
00:04:47of of civilians with signs of torture. Now the Ksk region
00:04:51was liberated in April of last year, more than eight months
00:04:55after the invasion began, and all that time Ukraine was
00:04:59terrorizing.
00:05:08of
00:05:12отработал по нам дрон,
00:05:15а как раз сработал,
00:05:19а рэп, сработал на моей машине, рядом с нами прямо метров
00:05:23семи, наверное, взорвался, милость божия, вырвались, вырвались,
00:05:27вот привезли, ребят, вот
00:05:29выгружают, сейчас вот
00:05:32в автобусы уже дальше,
00:05:36вот с трудом вырвались прямо, слава богу, нелость боже,
00:05:40есть и раненые у нас.
00:06:12of civilians and committed heinous crimes against peaceful
00:06:16residents using weapons and explosive devices. now many
00:06:20locals are still unaccounted for, as Russia's commissioner for human
00:06:24rights, Yana Lantratova reported the absence of data
00:06:28on at least 302 residents the Coursk border
00:06:31region. now the local governor Alexander Hinstein says that
00:06:35only 171 residents have been
00:06:39returned by Ukraine to Korsk, now the rest are: is
00:06:42simply missing and their fate is completely
00:06:46unknown, which makes the entire situation even more difficult and
00:06:50tragic. now investigation into the crimes the Kiev regime in Koursk
00:06:53region continues as Russian criminal experts have
00:06:57examined 186 settlements in the
00:07:01area. according to their results, the damage caused by the
00:07:05actions the Kiev regime armed groups have already been
00:07:08estimated at over $6 billion dollars.
00:07:13Well that's as Kiev has found itself dangerously lacking in
00:07:17airdefense systems. Vladimir Zelinski has
00:07:21attributed the shortage to a western conspiracy
00:07:25designed to make Ukraine more
00:07:27malable.
00:07:29I don't know if
00:07:30there are any other reasons for such a large shortage of anti-missile systems
00:07:33besides the Middle East. Perhaps these political steps are being taken to make
00:07:37Ukraine more let's say accommodating. In my opinion this is not
00:07:41accidental. "We understand that this is serious
00:07:44challenge. Well, let's
00:07:48get some more perspective on the matter from military analyst and former
00:07:52Swedish armed forces officer Michael Walterson. You're
00:07:56most welcome sir. Mr.
00:07:58Zelensky blames Ukraine's weapon shortage
00:08:02on the conflict in the Middle East and some veil plan to
00:08:06reduce Ukraine's standing. Do either of
00:08:10those theories in your view hold..."
00:08:12water: yes, the middle
00:08:16east conflict at least, the other thing is
00:08:20probably just attempts from zelensky
00:08:24to push the politicians in the west
00:08:27to send the few missiles they have, but
00:08:31in the middle east the usa use
00:08:34both tad missiles
00:08:38that are more advanced than patriot missiles. and
00:08:42they have used up uh at least three quarters of
00:08:46all the missiles they have, they have moved them from South Korea and
00:08:50other places, so they don't have many left, and
00:08:54that make the US much more dependent on the
00:08:58remaining patriot missiles they have, and they have used maybe
00:09:01half the patriot missiles also, so they have very
00:09:05limited capability in the US now
00:09:08to uh make another large sc
00:09:13war uh against,
00:09:14for example, if if they would be fighting with China, US
00:09:18would have very limited capability,
00:09:22and in if if you look on
00:09:26the pentagon, many the military men have
00:09:29told the politicians there that they aren't enough
00:09:33missiles even to continue the war against
00:09:36Iran, neither to defend
00:09:40against Iranian missiles. or
00:09:44offensive missiles, so that's true, there's a very
00:09:47limited number of patriot missiles
00:09:51left. It's certainly not a charm offensive
00:09:55by Mr. Zelensky, whatever stick he has instead
00:09:59the corret, he's attempting to use it, essentially
00:10:02berating those who have kept the country afloat. What's
00:10:06your views on the language he's
00:10:08using? Well, Selensky.
00:10:12has this problem because uh when he gets uh
00:10:16disappointed or
00:10:18angry uh he
00:10:21really uh shows it and that...
00:10:25doesn't endear him to his
00:10:28allies, they instead are more
00:10:32prone to be negative to
00:10:36continue supporting ukraine, at least
00:10:40in the US, and I believe
00:10:43that the promise of future production
00:10:47of patriot missiles merely was attempt
00:10:51from Trump to divert attend.
00:10:56from ukrainian demands for missiles now and when
00:11:00he didn't even get those when he met
00:11:03with trump
00:11:06the any licenses for production and
00:11:10ukraine will probably not get it, he's very disappointed
00:11:14now and he is angry and shows
00:11:17it and that won't to get get him any more
00:11:21missiles, can i just touch as well on the reality?
00:11:25surrounding the patriot situation, even if
00:11:29Washington were to allow Kiev to manufacture its
00:11:33own systems, it's going to take years and years to
00:11:36get production off the ground, how would a a
00:11:40manufacturing licenser impact Ukraine in the
00:11:44conflict? well, not
00:11:48at all at presently, because it will
00:11:51probably be maybe 20-30. uh
00:11:55before they can start producing and that's
00:11:59only if there are no disturbancess
00:12:03and during the time Russia will have a
00:12:06good opportunity to
00:12:09destroy but 2030 you say is
00:12:13that almost Ukraine saying we want
00:12:17the conflict to continue into the next
00:12:19decade?
00:12:23well the... they are preparing
00:12:26for the future uh, but but that won't change
00:12:30anything now, they have bought uh
00:12:33yaz 39 gripen air fighter
00:12:37aircraft from Sweden, but they won't get them either
00:12:41until maybe two or three years in the future and they will continue
00:12:44to deliver them to Ukraine until maybe
00:12:482035, so they won't
00:12:51impact the war either, so but "they are
00:12:55preparing for a future conflict with
00:12:58Russia uh, if they is some kind of sea
00:13:02s fire now, so they will try to rearm
00:13:06and be a better position in the future, but at
00:13:09presently there are no uh functioning air
00:13:13defense in Ukraine against missiles, Russia has maybe
00:13:17launched 150
00:13:21uh, escander missiles towards Ukraine during..."
00:13:25july and maybe seven of those have been shot
00:13:28down and uh that's a very very low, it's
00:13:32all lower number, so you can say that every
00:13:35missiles will hit its target, so Russia
00:13:39has very good opportunity uh for the forceable
00:13:43future to attack important targets in
00:13:46Ukraine. Mr. Zelensky also theorized that the
00:13:50US could be restricting aid to make Ukraine
00:13:54quote, more accommodating, what would drive
00:13:58Washington to pursue that goal now in your
00:14:01view?
00:14:03well uh, if you look on the US
00:14:07policy, they are not especially interested, at
00:14:11least the white house and the Trump
00:14:15administration uh, they are not interested in
00:14:17Ukraine, they see it just as
00:14:20diversion from other things in the
00:14:23world, and so they don't want to give anything to
00:14:27Ukraine, but they can sell things to Europe
00:14:31who gives it, because then they earn
00:14:33money from the weapons
00:14:36export, but when it comes
00:14:39to the patriot missiles, the
00:14:43Europeans want to get any patriots either
00:14:46because the US needs them, so the Europeans haven't
00:14:50any spare papers to give to Ukrain
00:14:54even if they... wanted,
00:14:58but um, trump must accommodate pro
00:15:01ukrainian groups within the congress,
00:15:05so he says positive things some
00:15:08sometimes, for example about the
00:15:11license or other
00:15:13things, but in reality us don't
00:15:17give anything to Ukraine, they might
00:15:20sell, always interesting, we appreciate your
00:15:24expertise. on this and much more
00:15:35of last week's border chaos in in Suta, most
00:15:39migrants have returned to Morocco, however, between two and
00:15:435ive them still remain in the Spanish city, according to
00:15:46local reports, hundreds them are children, many living without their
00:15:50parents in pretty dire conditions. Suta authorities have
00:15:54requested assistance from Madrid citing a high risk to
00:15:58order and public safety. Here's what migrants themselves had to
00:16:02say about their current
00:16:03situation. I've
00:16:07been in... suda for seven days now, i spent three of those days sleeping in the
00:16:11forest without food or water. we barely had enough food to
00:16:14survive. it's been seven days since we've been in the
00:16:18forest, me, my mom and my brother. hope to become a police
00:16:22officer in the future and to be able to go to spain so that we can be
00:16:25reunited with my dad, along with mom and my
00:16:27brother. godwilling will be okay. they
00:16:31give us only one meal a day and look what's in it, milk and small round cookies and
00:16:35we're really surviving on just that. always see infants with their mothers, so we're
00:16:39forced to give them our share of milk, because it won't make difference for us, but it makes a big difference for
00:16:43them. you'll find a woman with a small child who has nothing to feed him, there
00:16:47aren't even diapers, they haven't provided us with anything, it's as if all these
00:16:51people don't even exist. well, while the
00:16:54European Union claims the crisis was resolved quickly and
00:16:58conclusions were drawn about stronger border protection,
00:17:01questions over whose border it is and who should be responsible for it
00:17:05remain. the EU wants to shifer responsibility to
00:17:08Morocco, but Rabat considers Suta as its own sovereign
00:17:12territory and rejects the plan. We all
00:17:16want to have good relations, but if Morocco does not want this, then we
00:17:20will have to ask it to at least show respect. We cannot ask it to change its
00:17:24policy, not even its foreign policy. Its approaches are
00:17:27legitimate, but we can ask it to respect Spain's territorial integrity
00:17:31and the security of our borders. We must make this demand with the support
00:17:35the rest of Europe. People see this not as a migration crisis,
00:17:38it was fundamentally attack, violation of Spain's territorial
00:17:42integrity. People felt that this, if not orchestrated, was at least
00:17:45encouraged or permitted by Morocco?
00:17:49well, as the European commission head urges physical barriers to be
00:17:53erected on the border, a Moroccan politicians suggest that will only lead to more
00:17:57casualties among migrants. this would not solve that that
00:18:01problem, this will uh make more risk on the lives of
00:18:05migrants, irregular migrants that... are trying to cross uh
00:18:09to cross these artificial borders,
00:18:11you know, unfortunately this
00:18:15will add more victims and
00:18:17casualties to this
00:18:21to this, mean decision of
00:18:23migration, the people will
00:18:27still
00:18:28you know try to cross, because the origin of this problem is the
00:18:32colonization of seta and the remain
00:18:35as the... cities are remaining
00:18:38under the Spanish occupation, European
00:18:41occupation, uh, the risk is there, and
00:18:45the people will try again and again to cross the borders searching
00:18:49for you, obviously for bitter life
00:18:52and and more opportunities
00:18:56of of of life and
00:18:59and of of income, if they wants to protect their
00:19:02borders, first they have to accept the
00:19:06their real borders, the real borders are far, they are
00:19:10separated by sea, by the Mediterranean
00:19:13sea, and we as countries the south
00:19:16of Mediterranean, especially Morocco, we are not, as the the
00:19:20foreign minister said, our foreign minister, it said, we are not the
00:19:24gendarm of of of Europe, and we don't have any obligation and any
00:19:28responsibility, even juridicial or more
00:19:31responsibility to protect their
00:19:35artificial and colonized and
00:19:41now the world is reflecting today on the dawn
00:19:45the atomic age and it's at times devastating impact,
00:19:49none more so than the US bombing of Japan, exactly
00:19:5281 years ago. Hirashima is marking the deadly
00:19:56events its peace memorial park. At 8:15
00:19:59a.m. local time, the moment gay dropped its
00:20:03catastrophic payload, the city fell silent to honor the victims.
00:20:07Arashima's population hovered at around 350,000
00:20:11people in August 1945 and records estimate that up to
00:20:14160,000 people lost their lives due to the blast,
00:20:18aside from those who perished in the initial detonation, many died from
00:20:22radiation exposure with many affected, even decades
00:20:25later. We heard from one local whose mother was pregnant when the bomb
00:20:29fell. After
00:20:33all, I have cancer, that is why the fear of radiation exposure
00:20:37persists. No matter how many years go by, I am 81 years
00:20:41old now, 81. No matter how much time passes, nuclear
00:20:44weapons remain terrifying things, it destroys the soul
00:20:48completely, the soul itself. That is why nuclear weapons
00:20:51must absolutely never be built or
00:20:54used, well the day also saw
00:20:57what are annual demonstrations against nuclear weapons
00:21:01and war. This year protesters focused on the Prime
00:21:04Minister's remilitarization plans for Japan. Sinai
00:21:08tekashi's government has eased restrictions
00:21:11on lethal weapon exports increased
00:21:15military spending and pushed to revise
00:21:19article 9. the constitution, now that would pave the
00:21:23way for Tokyo to establish an official army and
00:21:26participate in armed conflicts. Here's some
00:21:30reaction we heard in Harashima ahead the morning
00:21:32ceremony. A
00:21:36massive military expansion budget is the clearest evidence of headl
00:21:40rush toward war, and prime minister Takaiichi is the very person
00:21:43who pushed it forward all at once, and with smile on her face, no
00:21:47less.
00:21:50military trillion expenses, eliminate war from the world by using nuclear weapons as a threat. I
00:21:53sincerely hope that solutions will be achieved through dialogue. That
00:21:57I believe is the role of Hiroshima and of Japan with its
00:22:01article 9
00:22:02constitution.
00:22:07prioritizing 40 the military over the lives
00:22:09the people, is something I simply cannot forgive. I believe
00:22:13should step down from her
00:22:14position. Well we're joined live
00:22:18now by professor. director the nuclear
00:22:22studies institute at American University and Orther
00:22:25as well, we thank you very much,
00:22:29today sumber day, Peter, it marks
00:22:32the the first time really the world saw the devastating consequence of of
00:22:36what atomic weapons can reak, the leading
00:22:40US narrative says the bombing was crucial to a
00:22:44Japanese surrender, you literally wrote the book on the event,
00:22:48how true or how val
00:22:50is is that point? there's no
00:22:53truth to that fabrication. the
00:22:57argument that they put forward is that if the us hadn't used the
00:23:01atomic bomb in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, then the US
00:23:05would have had to invade, and Truman says in his
00:23:08memoir that the US would have lost a half million men an
00:23:12invasion. to make it seem even more humane,
00:23:16they all later said that they also saved the lives of... millions
00:23:20of Japanese would have perished in the
00:23:23invasion, so it not only becomes
00:23:26necessary, it becomes humane because it saved
00:23:30millions of lives. The reality is very, very
00:23:34different. The reality is that the Japanese were
00:23:37defeated, they were trying to
00:23:40surrender, the US knew that was the case. The
00:23:44US knew that they had other alternatives for
00:23:48ending the war. The primer. one was to wait for the
00:23:52soviet invasion. Truman had lunch with Stalin at
00:23:55Potsdam on July 17th. Stalin assured
00:23:59him that the Russians were coming in on schedule. Truman said,
00:24:03wrote in his journal, "Feny Japs when the Russians come in." He
00:24:07wrote to his wife best the next day, the Russians are coming in,
00:24:11will end the war year sooner now. Think of all the kids who won't be
00:24:15killed. US intelligence have been saying since
00:24:18April that the... Soviet invasion would convince all
00:24:22Japanese that further resistance was fudle, but
00:24:26the Americans chose to use the bomb.
00:24:29Truman, Burns and very small handful of others
00:24:33decided to do so, not because it was needed,
00:24:37but because they wanted to send message to the Soviet
00:24:40Union, that if they interfered with US plans in
00:24:44Europe or the Pacific, they were going to get this and much, much
00:24:47worse, and that's exactly. how the Soviet leaders
00:24:51interpreted it, it was a shameful act, it was a criminal
00:24:55act, it was an immoral act, as Admiral Lahi,
00:24:59the chairman the joint chiefs of staff, and Truman's personal chief of
00:25:02staff, said this act put us on the level the
00:25:06barbarians the dark ages.
00:25:10We now know that American generals, including Eisenhower and
00:25:14McArthur thought use the A-bomb was
00:25:16unnecessary, how much disagreement? Peter, was
00:25:20there among the US military and how did this
00:25:24decision, you've been laying it out, how did it go foring from that point of
00:25:28view?
00:25:31the the United States had eight five star admirals and generals in
00:25:341945, seven the eight are on
00:25:38the record saying the atomic bombs are either militarily
00:25:41unnecessary, morally reprehensible or
00:25:45both. The only one who didn't say that was General
00:25:48Marshall. said that the Soviet invasion might well
00:25:52lever the United Japanese into
00:25:55surrender, so really all eight them knew it was
00:25:59unnecessary, but
00:26:01it was a political decision. not a military decision and was
00:26:05made by Truman. Truman
00:26:06is often considered near great president. In my book,
00:26:10he's just notch above Donald Trump and George W.
00:26:14Bush, one of America's worst presidents,
00:26:17had Henry Wallace stayed on his vice president, or
00:26:21Roosevelt lived longer. I believe there would have been no atomic bombs
00:26:25in World War II and even no cold
00:26:27war. There are historic documents
00:26:31suggesting Churchill. advocated for setting the bomb on the Soviet Union at
00:26:35the end of World War II, what purpose would that have served and
00:26:38what does it perhaps tell us about the tenuous alliances at that
00:26:42time? well, Churchill
00:26:45wanted to destroy the Russian
00:26:48revolution from the beginning, he said we have to strangle
00:26:51bolshevism in the cradle, but he decided to make an
00:26:55alliance with the Soviet Union, knowing that that would be
00:26:58necessary to save Britain from the Nazis, so...
00:27:02"there was a alliance of convenience, the soviets never
00:27:06trusted Churchill, but they did like and trust
00:27:09Roosevelt and Henry Wallace who was vice president from
00:27:131941 to
00:27:141945. Truwan from the very
00:27:18beginning they were skeptical about,
00:27:20and this is such an unnecessary
00:27:24decision, but we still justify it when President
00:27:28Obama went to Hiroshima in May of
00:27:312016." "Japanese public television brought me over
00:27:34there to do commentary on Obama's visit and he said
00:27:38that World War II reached his brutal end in
00:27:42Hiroshima and Nagasaki. That's not true, that's the fundamental
00:27:46lie at the heart the American empire and the notion of American
00:27:50exceptionalism. It was not the bombs that
00:27:54ended the war, as we know, to give you an example,
00:27:58the uh official US Navy museum here in Washington
00:28:01DC. and its exhibitive at the end the war writes, the
00:28:05vast destruction reaked by the bombings of Hiroshima and
00:28:09Nagasaki made little impact on the Japanese
00:28:12military, however the Soviet invasion of Manchuria on
00:28:169 August changed their minds. We know that
00:28:20from lot of sources, including the records the Japanese
00:28:23deliberations. It was not the atomic bomb which was
00:28:27localized, it was the Soviet
00:28:30invasion that convinced. them that further resistance was
00:28:34feudal that story doesn't tend to be told though, does
00:28:37it? um, just as an side to that, Peter, as
00:28:41well, Hiroshima's mirror is said to have criticized Russia's actions during
00:28:45his speech today, that prompted response from the foreign
00:28:48ministry in Moscow who pointed out that Japan repeatedly fails
00:28:52to acknowledge that the US dropped two bombs on
00:28:56them, is that fair assessment?
00:29:00takaichi, the current... prime minister is an
00:29:03embarrassment, she was an embarrassment when she came to Washington
00:29:07DC and grovled before Donald Trump and then
00:29:11bribed him. She talked about getting rid the three
00:29:15non-nuclear principles that more than 70% the
00:29:18Japanese want to see. We recently heard
00:29:22Japanese defense ministeri
00:29:25komi uh called for an open
00:29:29discussion of whether Japan should develop its own new... nuclear
00:29:32weapons, this is disgraceful. Japan has already
00:29:36eroded article 9 the peace
00:29:39constitution. Japan had been the most
00:29:42anti-nuclear country in the world, and the CIA and
00:29:46the state department began a massive propaganda campaign, and
00:29:50they wanted to locate the first the nuclear reactors that the
00:29:54US was pitching overseas in Hiroshima of all
00:29:57places. This goes back to Eisenhower, so there's been
00:30:01a real effort, but... up to this point they've never had
00:30:04anyone quite as nakedly
00:30:06pro-nuclear and and militaristic as
00:30:10Takaiichi, so there's going to be a fight in Japan
00:30:14about this, but at this point the younger
00:30:18generation is very conservative in Japan, and lot the
00:30:21older people, the atomic bomb survivors, I
00:30:25nominated neonadoncho for the Nobel Peace Prize
00:30:28several times and they finally won in 2024.
00:30:33and they are the conscience not only of Japan but the
00:30:36world, that's the atomic bomb survivors, the
00:30:39Abaksha, and so they need to be the voice, but
00:30:43Japan has not supported the treaty on the
00:30:47prohibition of nuclear weapons at the United Nations, and
00:30:50Japan now is wants to become a quote unquote
00:30:54regular nation, which means it can go to war
00:30:58overseas, and