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00:00:20of Here we go, 7 pm on the east coast, USA, I'm Ben
00:00:24Swan, here are the stories we're following right now, I'd rather make
00:00:28deal. because I don't want to kill people, I do not want to
00:00:32kill people. First the latest on the conflict in Iran. President Trump says he
00:00:36wants to stop the killing, meanwhile, new reports are painting a
00:00:39complicated reality for the US, plus the world's
00:00:43holiest city and a growing
00:00:45in wave
00:00:45of of attacks. Why are Christians suddenly saying they're no longer safe in
00:00:49of Jerusalem? What should America
00:00:53in be? And finally, political commentator Tucker Carlson
00:00:56in unveils of his 10-point plan for America. Is he just
00:00:59of brainstorming? ideas or testing the waters for a presidential run. On
00:01:03this show we know you don't need more content, but you do need context. You know,
00:01:07anyone can tell you what's happening in the news. Tonight we want to help you understand why
00:01:11it's happening, how it's happening, how it affects you. This is
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00:01:25of And we begin with this. Tonight we are learning more about the claims that the US
00:01:29is running low. on missiles in the Iran war, we're now hearing reports
00:01:33of
00:01:33of anger, explosive
00:01:35in arguments and even some members
00:01:36of the administration getting thrown under the bus. According to the Washington Post,
00:01:40President Trump lost his temper and clashed directly with Secretary of Warte
00:01:43Hegseth at Camp David last Friday over
00:01:46of America's munitions stock pile. Trump believed the shortage issue had
00:01:50been fixed before the war had started. Spoiler alert,
00:01:54it hadn't. Now, let's sit with that phrase for just second. The commander-in-chief
00:01:58thought a critical supply. problem had already been solved before
00:02:02launching a massive military operation, but it hadn't
00:02:06been, and according to the post sources, that shortage, particularly of
00:02:09long-range
00:02:10in guided missiles and air defense interceptors,
00:02:13a is one
00:02:13of the actual reasons Trump was held back from launching additional large
00:02:17a scale strikes on Iran over the last few days. By the way, that
00:02:21coincides with the reporting that we've been doing. Now, to be fair and
00:02:24accurate here, we do not know with 100%
00:02:28of certainty of that this confrontation. happened exactly as described. President
00:02:32Trump has responded to those
00:02:33of reports of with this post, saying quote, "the US has massive amounts
00:02:37of munitions, especially of certain types.
00:02:40of Additionally, of large amounts are being manufactured and shipped to the US as needed. Defense
00:02:44companies are building the largest number of plants and factories in our country's
00:02:48history. The leakers
00:02:50in of these treasonous statements are being hunted down. Long-term
00:02:54jail sentences will be sought. President
00:02:56DJT, so basically the white house. is
00:03:00calling it fake
00:03:02of news, but here's the thing, whether or not that specific blow-up happened word for
00:03:06word, the underlying numbers are not in dispute, and
00:03:10honestly they are staggering.
00:03:12of according to the post reporting, in just the first month of this war, the US fired off more
00:03:16than 850 tomahawk cruise missiles, more than 1,000
00:03:20patriot and thad interceptor defense
00:03:23of interceptors
00:03:24of and more than 1,300
00:03:26of the army's tactical ballistic missiles, the same attaccam.
00:03:30system that Ukraine has been begging us for. Now, according to one US official that was
00:03:34cited in this report, that stock
00:03:36of pile is now quote, drained to the extent that there's
00:03:39basically nothing left,
00:03:42of basically nothing
00:03:43of left of in the first
00:03:45of month. And here's the thing where this blame game gets really ugly, because according to that
00:03:49report, Hegseff
00:03:50a defended of of of himself during that confrontation by pointing the finger at his own
00:03:54deputy, Steven Feinberg, accusing Feinberg of failing to
00:03:58fully brief the president on the... actual shortages, so
00:04:01of Hegsouth, remember he was one
00:04:05of of the loudest early voices pushing for this war in the first place, reportedly convincing the president it would be a quick and
00:04:09relatively easy win. It hasn't been, and now we're learning that
00:04:13he might not even have told the commander and chief the true state
00:04:17of our
00:04:17of country's munition stock pile before pushing him into a war. That
00:04:21means that our country went into this conflict uninformed,
00:04:25and unformed means unprepared. Again, we cannot confirm
00:04:29exactly. what happened here, but look at the evidence on the
00:04:32ground, and it certainly looks that way. it's also interesting
00:04:35of that Trump referred to those leakers, leakers aren't liars, they're
00:04:39leaking information that is typically true. strikes, by the way,
00:04:43have visibly lightened up in recent days, that's also worth noting, and report
00:04:47after report after report,
00:04:49of keeps of confirming the same thing, that we are running desperately
00:04:53te low, and while that is all happening, this conflict
00:04:55in is not slowing down, it's actually spreading. see, over in Yemen, the rebels launched a...
00:05:00new escalation overnight attacking Saudi back government troops, at
00:05:03of least 30
00:05:08of of government soldiers were killed, at least 50 wounded, it's being called the biggest escalation in Yemen in years, so while we're struggling to...
00:05:12own missile
00:05:13build our stock pile. Iran's proxy forces are opening up entirely new
00:05:17fronts in the region. This is not what winning looks
00:05:20like, and when it comes to actually ending this thing, listen to what the
00:05:24president said just yesterday. Republic of Iran, we're doing, we're
00:05:28not getting the hell
00:05:29out.
00:05:32I'd rather make deal, because I don't want to kill people.
00:05:36I do not want to kill people, but at some point we're going
00:05:40to, we had, we were, set for the biggest
00:05:43attack of any attack, and we've hit him very hard
00:05:47for the last few months. yeah, totally with the president, when he says we shouldn't
00:05:51be killing more people, but it's interesting now, because if you listen to vice
00:05:55president J.D. vance who actually has been very honest, honestly as
00:05:59honest as anyone can be about how messy this whole thing has
00:06:02gotten. it seems like we're making progress and it seems like we're
00:06:06not, but the reality laura is that number one, the Iranians are
00:06:09extraordinarily difficult people, number to they have a fractured
00:06:13system, so there are people within their system who want the war to be over, there
00:06:17are also people within their system who are crazy radicals who want the war to
00:06:21continue, our job is to navigate through that and get the best
00:06:25outcome for the American people, but for the President United States as well, and
00:06:29and I do think that where we will ultimately land, it's going to be messy and it's going to
00:06:33take some time to get there, think about those words, it's going to be messy, that's the
00:06:37vice president the United States telling you that nobody actually knows how or when this
00:06:41thing ends and mean on Iran's side, things seem to be moving in
00:06:44the opposite direction toward progress, just not progress
00:06:48that involves the US. Iran's deputy foreign minister today said that
00:06:52maritime talks with oman over the straight of hormoz are in his words,
00:06:56quote, on the verge of being finalized. Leak reporting
00:07:00appears to show that it includes a multitude of things from banning US and
00:07:04Israeli vessels from the straight of hormos, prohibiting Israeli linked
00:07:07cargo and issuing heavy fines for any violators who will then
00:07:11have to repay. "we are in talks with the
00:07:15Iranians and I think there is a chance we may have deal today or
00:07:19tomorrow uh to open the straight
00:07:23and you move towards a more normalized position
00:07:27in this conflict. That's great, all sounds very good,
00:07:31but remember this is deal between Iran and Oman, not the United
00:07:35States, we're not at the table, apparently, and yet it will directly impact
00:07:38every single one of us, the price of food, the price of gas, this..."
00:07:42what the president himself said in Las Vegas on Tuesday about those gas
00:07:45prices? when gasoline, when oil goes down,
00:07:49and it's going to go down very rapidly, and it's happening very soon, already happening if you
00:07:53look, today it's $75 down to $75, it's
00:07:57dropping, and we may have to send it up
00:08:00again, we may have to, you know what happens when we send it up,
00:08:03but we hope we don't have to, now the president didn't explain exactly
00:08:07what he meant by that, kind of left it hanging there, now this is the
00:08:11same president has been promising for weeks that oil prices would come down once
00:08:15this war ended, now he's floating the idea that prices might have to
00:08:19go back up. joining us now to discuss, we're joined tonight by peerson
00:08:23sharp. he is the host the sharp report on one america news.
00:08:27peerson, great to have you on, thanks for being here. thanks so much, ben, i
00:08:30appreciate it. so let's talk a little bit about this this, first of all the report regarding
00:08:34Hegseth and whether or not this is true. again,
00:08:37i don't know the specifics, was there yelling? did somebody get thrown under the
00:08:40proverbial bus, but i think think what does seem to
00:08:43remain almost definite is the fact
00:08:47that I think when Trump made calculations about going into this war, it
00:08:51has not matched the ability we have to continue the war five,
00:08:54six, seven months in, especially in terms the missiles, and
00:08:58that creates a huge problem, it creates an embarrassment for the president,
00:09:02honestly um, to not have informed him fully of what we could and could
00:09:05not do, how do you view it? right, yeah, I would agree with that, President
00:09:09Trump is first and foremost guy who likes to be in formed, he likes to
00:09:13know what's going on and what's happening and where it's happening and why, and I
00:09:17think to be caught off guard like this, to be surprised by some
00:09:20information that's not only not good but makes him look bad is something
00:09:24that's you know he hates that, that's that's a worst for President
00:09:28Trump, so I think that he wants to get ahead
00:09:32of this and maybe maybe deflect blame a little bit
00:09:35to you know show that he knew what he was doing and this isn't true
00:09:39and look we've got it all handle, we've got it under control, but "you
00:09:43know the evidence is that we don't, um, Zelinsky was
00:09:46asking for missiles and Trump had to turn him down, which I think, at the sever
00:09:50conversation, but that's a good idea, um, these
00:09:54missiles take a ton of effort to produce, these aren't something you can
00:09:58just roll out the factory floor, um, they take years and years to ramp
00:10:02up production and ability and to have spent them as fast as
00:10:06we have, and to to be left a situation where we are
00:10:09basically depleted, that's very telling." about the United States
00:10:13at this point, and I think that has been,
00:10:16I don't one the goals, but I think through the last couple
00:10:20of years we've seen with Biden and the Democrats and everybody else, I think
00:10:24to degrade. America's ability militarily has been one their goals, and
00:10:28I think this is one the results we're seeing from that,
00:10:32and Trump, I, I voted for Trump twice, three times, I vote for him again at this
00:10:35point, but I think this is not his finest hour as far
00:10:39as getting us into a situation that we were not prepared to be in in the first
00:10:43place. Well, and and I, I agree with you, I think one the biggest problems that that
00:10:47President Trump has right now, to your point is that he likes to know everything, every
00:10:51president should, right? The idea that you would encourage him to step into a...
00:10:55war um that almost now becomes an embarrassment because the Iranians are
00:10:59emboldened by this when what they look at now they say look wait a minute
00:11:03you you can't hit us anymore you can't hit us with those long-range missiles anymore you've
00:11:06run out well now we're in bolden to say we're not going to involve you any the
00:11:10talks we're going to go straight to oman we're going to set the rules for the
00:11:14straight of hormoz and you guys can kick rocks because we know that you're a
00:11:18position where you can't do anything about it today now that may not be true a year or
00:11:22two years from now but know the
00:11:24you one things Trump said in that true social post, that's very telling,
00:11:28he he bragged about, well we're ramping up production, to your point, we talked
00:11:32about this yesterday, it takes two years to create one patriot
00:11:35missile, we're only creating at this point with the contractors we have contracts with a
00:11:39thousand year, we burned through that supply a couple of
00:11:43days, so the idea that that we are, don't worry
00:11:46everyone, we got this under control, we're ramping up, I think the president has to put the best
00:11:50face on it, he can, no question about it, but it's not, it's not an easy
00:11:54thing. to cover right now, because we are stopped short of being able
00:11:58to respond to the Iranians really any way at this
00:12:00point. well, somewhat, yes,
00:12:04yes, the patriot missile is definitely a problem for us, but
00:12:08it's not our only weapon. we have lot of other options to respond to
00:12:12this. mean, there are so many,
00:12:15sad, but there are so many weapons we have to kill humans with that losing the
00:12:19patriot missile does not stop us in our tracks. um, if we want this war
00:12:23to continue, we'll find a way to... continue and that's that's
00:12:27the problem is is this war could continue and you
00:12:31know we we've been here for 150 days at this
00:12:34point um we've only bombed them for 50 days though so that's
00:12:38100 days of back and forth negotiation and
00:12:41you know trump promises to destroy them he's promised like 55 times I'm gonna
00:12:45absolutely wipe out their civilization and then
00:12:48you know they back down and then he doesn't and you know I think it's
00:12:52clear at this point that they don't they don't want to to
00:12:56have talks, they don't want to get this resolved, they want to delay, because they
00:12:59delay it's going to destroy us in the midterms and they think they can probably wait
00:13:03us out, get some democrats in power again and get the show up and
00:13:06running, and i think that's their ultimate goal, and we have to find a way to stop them
00:13:10from doing that. yeah, i want to touch on what you said
00:13:12and i think it's true, you you said patriots aren't the only ways, attack of missiles, they
00:13:16aren't the only way, ballistics aren't the only way, that's all true, long range missiles aren't the only
00:13:20way, the problem is there's really only two paths beyond that, right, one path is
00:13:23you go tactical nuke. you go higher, obviously you don't want to take that genie out the bottle
00:13:27because you can't put it back in, and who knows what the response is becomes globally to
00:13:31that, very messy, very dangerous. the other method which i
00:13:35think you and i would agree should absolutely be off the
00:13:39table is siting in ground troops, we don't need American men and women to die
00:13:43for this, we certainly don't need them to die for the straight of hormos, um,
00:13:46america doesn't even need the oil coming out there, so at this point i just i
00:13:50think the best route for the president is to say, look, and he's great at
00:13:54doing this. never, you never declare a defeat, you declare victory no matter
00:13:58what, so let's declare a victory and leave, we don't need to be there, we don't need the
00:14:02straight, if the Europeans are upset, they can work it out with Iran, come home and
00:14:06let's focus here, I'll give you the last word, I completely
00:14:10agree with that,
00:14:10I don't think we should have been there in the first place, and then just just
00:14:13imagine, just imagine if you will for second a
00:14:16world where we had not gone to war in February, imagine where
00:14:20we had not started this war, where we would be at today, the things that we could be focusing
00:14:24on, policy, fixing the economy, fixing our broken border,
00:14:28getting these illegals out of here by the millions, that's what we need to be focused
00:14:32on, just imagine that world we could be living in, but that's not the
00:14:36reality right now, and the problem is, yes, we should not
00:14:40have been there in the first place, but now we
00:14:43are, and there's a situation we can't just
00:14:46walk away from, because it's a lot worse now than it was
00:14:50before we started, and we caused that, so we
00:14:54can't accept a cosmetic deal that calls Hormus
00:14:58open while effectively recognizing Iranian
00:15:01control. I think the objective should be to not
00:15:05not to transform Iran, but to restore freedom of
00:15:09navigation, that should be critical. Eliminate Iran's ability to
00:15:13have nuclear weapons and I don't think that was issue to begin with, but clearly that's
00:15:17a problem for Trump, he needs to make sure that that's something he can brag
00:15:20about. We need to bring American forces home without
00:15:24occupying.
00:15:37or international shipping is threatened, that's that's clear,
00:15:41but we also have to have an aggressive, negotiated exit, and I
00:15:45think the most realistic path to achieving that might be
00:15:49locking down on Israel, because they have
00:15:53been sabotaging the peace efforts, we had the memorandum of
00:15:56understanding going on, and while that was happening, Israel was bombing the
00:16:00crap out of Lebanon, yes, and I think we underestimated how important that was to
00:16:04Iran, and so I think locking them. down and
00:16:08stopping them from continuing attacks on this region would be
00:16:12maybe the primary step to achieving peace. do we have the
00:16:16cahones to make that happen? i don't know. well, i will say
00:16:20that everything you laid out of what we need to accomplish was accomplished
00:16:24with the mou, and you're right, israel blew that up, so we you're absolutely right, we
00:16:27got to change that, and that get that fly out the ointment. i think we go lot
00:16:31further. piercing sharp, thanks so much for being on, great to have you on.
00:16:35my pleasure. Well meanwile tonight,
00:16:39attacks against Christians have almost doubled this year in Jerusalem,
00:16:43nuns belonging to a Russian mission in the city are the latest to fall
00:16:47victim. RT correspondent Charlotte Debinsky, she sat down with one of those nuns to
00:16:51hear her story. Jewish youths spitting a monastery
00:16:55in Jerusalem's old city. Then come the stones thrown in an
00:16:59act of vandalism and intimidation. Scenes like this have become all too
00:17:03commonplace. Rarely do victims speak out mainly due to
00:17:06fear. but sister Elizabetha from the Russian
00:17:09Ecclesiastical mission has found the courage. The sisters were walking
00:17:13along the street, they were returning from night vigile back to their
00:17:17mission and they realized that something wasn't quite
00:17:20right. We finished the night service at the tomb
00:17:24the Lord. We exited through the new gates. That's where we came across some
00:17:28policeman. We smiled at them and they smiled right back at us and literally
00:17:32after 200 meters on the crossroads near Notar Dame, we started hearing
00:17:36rude screaming and swearing. and we tried not to look at them to avoid
00:17:40aggression, they managed to get to this point, this
00:17:43corner here, and it was then the attack really
00:17:47began, but we had to stop at the intersection because there was red traffic
00:17:51light, and while we were waiting they kept shouting and approaching us, but we
00:17:55still tried not to look at them to avoid making make it worse, but then the
00:17:59stone started flying, and thank god that the attack wasn't fatal,
00:18:02stones started flying past us, so many them, two them hit me and
00:18:06another one hit my.
00:18:11Incidents like this are not isolated, figures coming out from
00:18:15one Jewish organization, the religious freedom data center
00:18:18show that this is a worrying trend, it says that
00:18:22anti-christian attacks, incidents against
00:18:25Christians have nearly dobled in the past three
00:18:29months. Between April and June, 83 incidents were
00:18:32recorded, that was up from 44 reports in the first three months of this
00:18:36year, so what's... is the root cause of this violence coming from a
00:18:40small but growing section of Israeli society?
00:18:44everything now is very tense and very oriented
00:18:47towards Jewish, unfortunately, I must say,
00:18:51supremacy. there's a feeling, especially in the last three
00:18:54years and since the Hamas attack on
00:18:58Israel, there's a lot the
00:19:02nervousness that turns people's mind
00:19:06to see. black and white, it's either
00:19:09Jewish, Israeli or enemies, the
00:19:13rest the world. Christianity is only learned through the traumas
00:19:17and the realistic traumas the Jewish people. The only
00:19:21thing you'l know about Christians is that they persecuted us, they
00:19:25shed our blood,
00:19:26add to it, the government who is
00:19:30really pushing towards a very halactic,
00:19:33religious state, at least half of this country.
00:19:38was taken captive and hostages by
00:19:42this mindset, in one the most brutal attacks caught on camera this year
00:19:45a none from another mission was slammed to the ground. that video
00:19:49sparked international outrage. the assailt has been
00:19:53charged, but most these crimes go
00:19:56unpunished. the police closing the files that I
00:20:00submit, it means not that the police couldn't catch them, they were not
00:20:04interested enough in catching them, but they were not. said because the
00:20:08authorities above told the police, don't bother about it. The RFDC
00:20:12has volunteers across Israel ready to document potential anti-christian
00:20:16harassment and attacks, but even Jiska is aware
00:20:20that there are many incidents that still go unreported. The
00:20:23details the attack on the sisters though reached the desk the Russian
00:20:27ambassador. He's now raised it with the Israeli police and told our
00:20:30action was being
00:20:32taken.
00:20:38as it has negative psychological impact on representatives the clurgy,
00:20:42calls into question interreligious peace and harmony, the balance and
00:20:45status quo in interreligious relations, and generally sends bad signals to
00:20:49christians. about the supposed undesirability their presence here in the
00:20:53holy land. I have the impression that the Israeli authorities, including the police,
00:20:57realized the seriousness these incidents and are prepared to take measures to
00:21:00address them. During our meeting, General Ketsuni informed us those teenagers
00:21:04who were seen throwing stones at the sisters the Gordinski monastery on July
00:21:0823, were detained. While she's briavely spoken to RT,
00:21:12sister Elizabetta admitted to us that the attack left her scared
00:21:16to death. That very first night we were so scared, we were...
00:21:20paralyzed with fear.
00:21:21I can honestly say that for the first time I was afraid to go out alone the next
00:21:25morning. I mean, we were never afraid before, never. Her faith may keep
00:21:29her strong, but she is only human. Sister
00:21:32Elizabeth's courage to speak out will hopefully now give others the
00:21:36strength to follow in her footsteps. Charlotte
00:21:39Dubinsky for RT in
00:21:41Jerusalem. All right, let's talk about Tucker
00:21:45Carlson now, because he is making headlines for laying out what he calls a
00:21:48blueprint. where America's future touches on everything, from
00:21:52immigration to manufacturing, to health, education, foreign
00:21:56policy, the size of government. some were saying this as just normal
00:22:00priority list for the country's future, but others believe maybe it's
00:22:03a sign. remember blues clues, it's clue, the Tucker maybe
00:22:07running for president. american Ells Gilissa durough takes a look
00:22:11tonight on that question, and she talked to people right here in the streets of
00:22:14Miami. We decided to talk to everyday
00:22:18Americans to see how they feel about Hucker Carlson's 10-point plan:
00:22:22government officials should be punished for lying to citizens and not
00:22:26releasing the most classified documents including the JFK assassination and
00:22:299/11. well that's
00:22:31a tough one, i
00:22:32mean it's like it all it it depends on you know
00:22:36the circumstances or what it is that that they need to they need to
00:22:40classif declassify to the people that's that's a tough one do you think that they
00:22:43should like the Americans should know what happened like that those classified documents should
00:22:47be released so? He says
00:22:51halting immigration, ending benefits for undocumented
00:22:54immigrants, making English the soul language. You agree with that?
00:22:58Yeah, why ending benefits for undocumented incurence?
00:23:02Absolutely, because there's enough legal ways to get into the United
00:23:06States. I'm not against immigration, but
00:23:09there's there's ways to do it, there's
00:23:12there's many ways to get in the United States. You don't
00:23:16have to jump the jump to fence.
00:23:20so then he called for halting immigration, you don't agree
00:23:24with that though? no, why is that?
00:23:28america is the melting part the
00:23:30world,
00:23:34yeah, i why halt it, if they go through the legal
00:23:37means, let them in. tucker
00:23:41carlson claimed Israel pushed the us into the Iran war through
00:23:45bribery or threats, while describing foreign lobbying, corporate control
00:23:49of government and interest forms of
00:23:51slavery? yeah,
00:23:55that's that's just like finess tactic.
00:23:57um, like we're being basically bribed
00:24:01into war through coersion or threats that we should be sovereign country
00:24:05and really not sell out to any foreign government. right, but
00:24:09i was told a long time ago the US always sticks their nose in someone else's
00:24:13business. so the same rules should apply to presidents, federal agents
00:24:17and elites that they should be held accountable. do you agree with? that
00:24:20yeah, you go. again, that was just jullissa reporting. so
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00:25:41He's
00:25:42been a journalist, a political commentator, a political
00:25:45strategist, senior advisor to the Indian Ministry of
00:25:48Information and Broadcast. sting Kanchan Gupta, welcome to India, Russia in the
00:25:52world. Thank you. You're actually the first guest
00:25:56on my podcast since the end the cockroach protest that
00:26:00led to the resignation of India's. ation minister,
00:26:04purely from an optics perspective, what kind of
00:26:08message did these protests and out to the world? there
00:26:12is no doubt that
00:26:15the protest by itself
00:26:18was not unexpected, but
00:26:22the the manner in in which it
00:26:25unfolded 20th July onwards,
00:26:29that took the government by surprise because that kind of...
00:26:32violence against the police, the
00:26:36police using force to push back the
00:26:40protesters, that made the situation
00:26:43very sticky for government, and you
00:26:47couldn't turn your eyes away, now you said which led to the
00:26:51resignation the education minister, technically the
00:26:55education minister resigned to
00:26:58ensure that the...
00:27:02situation wouldn't get worse, and if you read his
00:27:06resignation letter, he gives the reasons why he
00:27:09resigned, so I wouldn't say that it's
00:27:13because these people held a gun to the government's head
00:27:17that the education minister
00:27:19resigned, but whatever
00:27:22be the interpretation, the fact
00:27:26is that there was a protest and
00:27:30for the first time there was was a
00:27:33glimpse into the world view the
00:27:36mindscape of what i call the
00:27:40gen z generation,
00:27:43so what what do these kids think about, how do
00:27:47they look at life, what are their many
00:27:49angsts, what do they, what do they
00:27:53worry about, and what angers
00:27:56them, perhaps none of
00:27:59us, whether in government or not in government, we
00:28:02never looked at them very closely. you really want to
00:28:06ask you, the genzy protest in India, do you think that there were any
00:28:10parallels with what had happened say a Bangladesh or
00:28:14Nepal? no, no, I will very quickly explain to you why. our
00:28:18politics has been of different variety. our
00:28:22politics has been of accomodative nature. our
00:28:25politicians are very sharp. don't
00:28:29forget that mohandas Gandhi. was one the
00:28:33sharpest politicians India has produced, back their mind, they
00:28:37always have the more serious and the more informed among
00:28:41them, they have Gandhi in their back in the back their minds, they know when
00:28:45to step forward, they know when to stand still and they know when to step
00:28:48back. Number two, we have very layered society,
00:28:52so a layered society like us, that kind of
00:28:56change doesn't happen, our young are
00:29:00politically too diverse. "they are
00:29:03culturally too diverse,
00:29:06they are linguistically too
00:29:09diverse, and definitely there is no single
00:29:13religion holding them together, but what is
00:29:17there in common to those who believe in this, is
00:29:20the civilizational inheritance which they
00:29:24have, and that is of being a people
00:29:28who are accommodative, who are inclusive
00:29:32and..."
00:29:32are not exclusionary, okay, so whether you see in
00:29:35Bangladesh, Nepal, Sri Lanka, wherever this has
00:29:39happened, the Arab countries, the so-called arab spring, it is
00:29:42because the the exclusionism the
00:29:46elite the ruling classes, it is
00:29:50because the in your face corruption, even
00:29:54corruption in India is very layered, so it's a
00:29:58different thing, I mean right, so it it won't work over here,
00:30:01what about? the media coverage the cockroach genzi
00:30:05protest in India, on one hand, the local media was being
00:30:09criticized for being too soft, the western media for being
00:30:13too celebratory, what is your take? well, there was
00:30:17nothing called a local media. i find it
00:30:20aborent that there should have been an
00:30:24attempt to malign mainstream media
00:30:28in such a gross manner as we saw happening over there
00:30:32at you mean the journalists getting hackled? journalists
00:30:35getting hackled, then this whole use the term godi
00:30:39media. now such terms were never hurled at the media
00:30:42earlier, but you don't think the media is it fault here? no,
00:30:46listen, mean i i may agree with
00:30:49the editorial policy of media house, i
00:30:53may disagree with it, i may agree with individuals i may
00:30:57disagree with them, but i would...