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00:00:00able to defeat them and in fact continually lose, the
00:00:04war has been over 20 year
00:00:05period, a
00:00:08of continual
00:00:08of process for saudis
00:00:11of losing ground, because they may have all the weaponry and all the money,
00:00:15but they have no belief in the in their own
00:00:18cause, and I i was doing a little research yesterday, I
00:00:22was trying to tot up in
00:00:23of the last 12 years since Anstal have
00:00:27controlled the airport. and
00:00:30Sana um, I I found
00:00:3327 different times for Saudis have bombed
00:00:36Sanah airport, and not on one of those 27
00:00:40times did the European Union
00:00:44of condemn
00:00:44this the Saudis for bombing sa airport, which is a civilian
00:00:47airport, nor did the BBC
00:00:51lead the lead the news, nor did the BBC lead
00:00:55their newscast with it, I bet right, absolutely
00:00:58not, no, and... of those killed, there been instances where there were
00:01:0250 children killed in bombing
00:01:04of the school bus, for examples, not one mention in
00:01:07western media at all,
00:01:10you know the the propaganda levels are off for
00:01:13wall, they are absolutely extraordinary, if
00:01:17if
00:01:18you know the story is generally speak, if you're if you're growing up in
00:01:21America like I did, I grew up in the United States, you grew up in
00:01:24of Scotland right, yeah, if you grow up
00:01:28in a place like yours or a place like mine, basically grow up believing
00:01:31because you're fed this by the movies, by the television shows, by the
00:01:35newscasts, by the newspapers etc. muslims
00:01:39are are are bad people who generally don't
00:01:42bathe and they're
00:01:44of probably terrorists for the most
00:01:46in part, russians are these sneaky these brutal
00:01:50bully slaves etc
00:01:52of etc. the chinese are these
00:01:55you know asian sneaky people you can't turn your backs on the whatever,
00:01:59mean
00:01:59a obviously. I'm exaggerating this, but it's but it's
00:02:02of ingrained in the mindset of
00:02:05westerners to the point where they think they're
00:02:08special, they're good, they're sophisticated and
00:02:12decent, and the rest
00:02:13of the world isn't. Well, the rest
00:02:15of the world, whether they like it or not is
00:02:18of 88%
00:02:18of the population, so I mean it, it's pretty hard
00:02:22for you as 12% to think, we're superior to all of you, and we
00:02:26will tell you what to do, you'd think by now they would have kind of..."
00:02:41and you would hope that people would would tweak, i think there is, i think
00:02:44it's partly a generational thing here, i
00:02:48of me do a think
00:02:49that the young people meet and the young people i talk to, i still go and talk in colleges
00:02:52and universities sometimes,
00:02:54of of so that's increasingly blocked off to
00:02:57of of me, as i say, limitations on the speech are getting worse in the...
00:03:00but i do
00:03:01of find that young people have more open idea
00:03:05of the world than most people in my own generation did and that's
00:03:09perhaps um quite quite hopeful is
00:03:12it because let
00:03:13me ask you is it because they don't watch you and i grew up watching the local
00:03:17news you know my kids do not watch NBC
00:03:21or CNN or the BBC or any of that crap they think it's a
00:03:24joke but we did grow up with that however so and
00:03:28of they live on social media but they do still kind of manifest in the world of
00:03:32movies and stuff like that, so that's where that
00:03:36a maybe of could be influenced, I imagine, I don't know, what you
00:03:38think? no, I think you're right, I think it is to do
00:03:42with the fact that they don't, they're not passive consumers of news
00:03:46of and the way that
00:03:48a of we were, I grew up believing anything it said in the guardian over BBC, I
00:03:50mean i just assumed it was in the guardian over BFC, it must be
00:03:54true, um, simply because that's a society I grew up in and those were
00:03:58the beliefs of all the people. around
00:04:01in me, um, I, I now know
00:04:03that that's you,
00:04:04a absolutely not the truth, um, but young people don't go
00:04:08of up consuming in that way,
00:04:09of they're much more proactive
00:04:11in in their sources, I, I, I, I'm actually very
00:04:14positively reinforced sometimes when I when I talk to you, I
00:04:18find young people who did my own stuff, which
00:04:21is always always very pleasant
00:04:24surprise, it's nice to read what grandpa has to say, yeah, that's
00:04:28that's how I feel, that's how I feel too,
00:04:40let's talk about this, because I'm I'm curious
00:04:43of of as I'm sitting
00:04:43of here, do do you think the
00:04:47west, and
00:04:48of it's hegemony, overused word, but
00:04:51still, is a point now where
00:04:54a they can't give up the power, because if they admit to these things that you
00:04:58and I are talking about, Let's suppose they were, I would think it would be the
00:05:02smart thing to do, but maybe they can't do this. Hey,
00:05:04you know what, China, uh, Iran,
00:05:08Russia, India, these are important countries, let's go to
00:05:12them. and forge a coalition with them rather than being
00:05:16against them, do they fear that if they
00:05:19do that then they just the numbers aren't there for them and they'll become
00:05:23nothing? why don't they reach out? guess is my
00:05:26question, they're
00:05:29desperate to maintain the current order
00:05:33because the mistake their
00:05:36power and control is how
00:05:39they make a living, if you look at the...
00:05:42like the United Kingdom, yeah, it hardly manufactures anything at
00:05:46all anymore, uh,
00:05:50it all, it's major income, I'm talking outside Scotland, which
00:05:54has other sources of income, but certainly most the United Kingdom, it's
00:05:58major income comes from
00:06:01services, and the great many of those services are
00:06:05simply matter of maintaining and
00:06:08crevating the wealth of economies that
00:06:11do... things and so
00:06:15we have vastly inflated property markets from all kinds of foreign
00:06:19people who want
00:06:19to come and
00:06:20live here, very wealthy farm people, we we have these
00:06:24investment companies, there's no reason at all why if
00:06:28you're a Chinese billionaire, you would invest your money in the city of London as opposed to
00:06:31investing it in Shanghai or somewhere else, but but they
00:06:35do, because it's part the mistique of soft power if
00:06:39you like, but we but the west lives on it. reputation, it
00:06:43lifts, it lives on that
00:06:47inherited defense, but makes people
00:06:50think
00:06:51that this is where they ought to live and this is where they ought
00:06:53to do their transactions, so any shift in the perception the west
00:06:57superiority in the world order becomes a shift
00:07:00to it its fundamental ability to attract wealth, and I think
00:07:04that's that's a part the problem. It's also true that
00:07:07China in particular shows no real
00:07:11interest in expanding its world influence,
00:07:14china has a trading
00:07:17relationship around the world, and it's its
00:07:21interest is is based on on trade relations
00:07:25and on on making money. China doesn't
00:07:28attempt to translate
00:07:31its economic importance and its economic weight into
00:07:35worldwide political influence in the way that it might in the way that many of us
00:07:39think it would actually be rather helpful if it did it did.
00:07:42interesting, yeah, it doesn't, it doesn't, it makes sense, I mean,
00:07:46they they don't need to push their genes aqua,
00:07:50buse they have 1.3 or 1.4
00:07:53billion people, and they have resources
00:07:57and they have land, same as the Russians, I
00:08:01mean, the Russians have more timber, more hydrocarbons, more land,
00:08:05more, more of everything, rare earth minerals like the Chinese, lot
00:08:09these countries have all these things that the Europeans don't have. "but
00:08:13you know, you're right, because when I travel as a journalist to places
00:08:16like Iran uh, before the
00:08:20war, and talk to the people there, and when I go to Beijing, and talk to
00:08:24the people there, and when I talk to people in Russia, and when I
00:08:27talk to people from India and other places, uh, they are
00:08:31even though the west treats them like
00:08:34absolute dog crap, they
00:08:37still have
00:08:39this myst,
00:08:39this mystified view
00:08:41the west, and they'll oh." 'wow, you're from Miami, how cool,
00:08:45what's it like, and oh, and I remember this movie, and I love
00:08:48this show, and I love this, the sports team, and so they
00:08:52are, in fact, the people from the Bricks or Global South, whatever
00:08:56it is, those 88% the population the world is
00:09:00still somewhat enthrolled with that tiny little
00:09:0312% somehow, and if that's all they got left as
00:09:07their power base, I understand your point, that they need to
00:09:10somehow recirculate'. that keep it going
00:09:13right? yeah, i i think
00:09:17that's true, it's a fascinating uh part the
00:09:21psychology the world economy. yeah,
00:09:24because you would think
00:09:27though, mr. ambassador, that at some point the people in the west
00:09:31would come to the realization that the numbers are against
00:09:35us, so we better start kind of doing this a little bit
00:09:38differently, or else, 88%,
00:09:4012%. percent, that's a a big
00:09:44number. listen, i i want to ask you before we go, because
00:09:48we talk about all these, we talk about NATO
00:09:51expansion and what the west has done in
00:09:54countries all over the world, specifically the old
00:09:58former soviet countries or satellite countries, and you had a
00:10:01specific experience in Uzbekistan where you saw that first
00:10:05hand, can you explain to us what what what what you saw
00:10:09in that country that uh made you there for? a while household
00:10:13name? yeah, at at that time it
00:10:17was part of united states extraordinary rendition program where it
00:10:20had these centers where it
00:10:23was accepting torture from me
00:10:27regimes to provide it with intelligence
00:10:31and it was actually flying people there in order for them to
00:10:35be tortured um and
00:10:38i if you like stumbled across that while
00:10:41i was ambassador in in in Uzbekistan at the time it was
00:10:45hotly denied although the the existence of that program is
00:10:48now widely acknowledged just to be
00:10:52clear so our viewers understand what you're saying the united state. would have a
00:10:55prisoner from let's say Iraq and
00:10:59they wanted him to talk so they would ship him to Uzbekistan where
00:11:03he would be questioned until they got an answer
00:11:07from him, that's one of those places they call those black sights so to speak
00:11:11where they torture people and you discovered that was taking place in
00:11:15Uzbekistan, yeah that that's exactly right
00:11:19tonight I tried to stop it internally
00:11:22um and was... to shut up,
00:11:26in effect, i was told the gloves are off in the war on terror, and
00:11:30ministers had decided that we would get intelligence from torture
00:11:34in the war on terror, so at that stage, i went
00:11:38public and and blew the whistle, and that was the end of my of my diplomatic
00:11:41career, but
00:11:44the the important thing to grasp about this is they weren't
00:11:48getting true intelligence, you don't get the truth from torture, what
00:11:52they were getting was they were getting people to sign up to the... they
00:11:55wanted to tell, they were getting people to admit to being connected to
00:11:59al-qaed, people had no connection whatsoever to
00:12:02al-qaida, this wasn't a genuine attempt to
00:12:06prevent terrorism or get it the truth, it would be, mean in my view be
00:12:10morally invalid, even if it did get it the truth, but that wasn't the
00:12:14purpose, the purpose was to build narrative that
00:12:17justified the expansion of American
00:12:20military presence in central Asia in particular, but but other
00:12:24places - but we found out since then that
00:12:28everything you said is confirmable and true and
00:13:10much so, I mean, but the state has treated as a trater in
00:13:13effect ever since I blew the whistle on that, I should say when I when I
00:13:17first brought it to the attention the authorities, um,
00:13:21and and was arguing with them that it was illegal, I was called back. for meeting
00:13:25with our senior legal advisor Sir Michael Word and he advised me in
00:13:29person
00:13:30that this is not against the law uh it to receive
00:13:33intelligence from torture as long as we don't do the torturing
00:13:37ourselves is not illegal, I i
00:13:40was told and then when I continued to
00:13:44argue I was called into personnel department and they told me
00:13:48that I could resign as ambassador tashkent and I could be ambassador
00:13:52in Copenhagen instead and they said Copenhagens. much nicer place to
00:13:56live, you've got tively gardens, it's beautiful, well why don't you just forget
00:13:59it and and and do that? um, and
00:14:03i didn't do that,
00:14:05the they then tried making all kinds of accusations against me and plastering my love
00:14:09life all over the newspapers, uh, so it was
00:14:24would say to you, That's like saying if I'm a room and I'm watching a
00:14:27child be raped or murdered, as long as we're not doing
00:14:31it, we somebody else was doing it,
00:14:33so who cares? No, we should care, what's wrong is wrong, no
00:14:37matter how who's doing it or how it's done, and you did the right
00:15:11sir, we appreciate it once again. Craig Murray, ambassador, used to be an
00:15:15ambassador in many countries actually, but uh, made headlines, as we can say in
00:15:24so much, and you could obiously. Pardon me, you can
00:15:27find much of what we talk about, whatever else we're going to be putting
00:15:31out, this conversation, all over the
00:15:34socials, but most of all go to bitsoot. bitchuot's doing something
00:15:38interesting right now, they're going to be encrypting everything
00:15:42on their video platform and
00:15:45social site, which is fascinating when you think the fact that
00:15:49too many people out there right now are using uh
00:15:53social media sites to find out what you think and then knocking
00:15:57on your door and saying why did you say that? well what if they don't know
00:16:00who you are? maybe that's the way social media should be and
00:16:04uh bitchuot's trying to make that happen. which I think is pretty
00:16:08good, pretty cool and pretty necessary,
00:16:11bitsoot.com, check it out, not there yet, but close, get
00:16:15early as we
00:17:19All right, so good to have your company for this live broadcast from Moscow. This is RT International,
00:17:23straight to our top stories for you right now, because Vladimir Zelenski
00:17:26will do anything to buy time to regroup Ukraine's
00:17:30forces, that is the view of Russia's foreign minister
00:17:34emit yet more talks from Keyev about c
00:17:41In recent months, the call for a ceasefire has replaced the call for inflicting
00:17:44a strategic defeat on Russia in the rhetoric of both
00:17:48Zelensky and his western masters. The goal is singular and
00:17:52very simple, to buy time. He is even said he is willing
00:17:56to hold a presidential election provided he is given two months to
00:18:00regroup. During that period, Europe could flood him with new
00:18:03weaponry to continue his terrorist war against the Russian people.
00:18:07famined astonishment regarding President Trump's statement reflects only
00:18:11one thing: that he desperately wants to use any words, any
00:18:15initiatives and any ideas that enter the public sphere to
00:18:19promote his interest in a breathing space, by hook or by
00:18:22crook. I do not believe he has earned such respit, nor do I think
00:18:26we will once again fall for assurances or promises. The President
00:18:30has stated this very clearly. We continue to pursue the objectives
00:18:34the special military operation. objectives are well known to
00:18:38everyone, we have never altered them, unlike the zigzags and
00:18:42evasions of Zelensky and his European
00:18:45masters. the political pressure on Zelensky is
00:18:48mounting on several fronts: first, as you know, the American president
00:18:52suddenly stressed Ukraine needs a new leader. In response, Zelensky has
00:18:56demanded a 60-day cease fire to prepare the country to go to the
00:19:00polls, but it's not just electoral issues that have put
00:19:03Zelensky's old acting skills back on display.
00:19:08because after Washington announced a deal on Russian diesel exports,
00:19:12the decision was not well received in Kiev, particularly by Vladimir
00:19:16Zelensky himself. President Trump said
00:19:20that that we need, Ukraine needs new
00:19:23president, so first of all, with all respect to president
00:19:27Trump, it's up to our
00:19:31society, up to our people to choose one
00:19:34or another leader. Why are they? you for
00:19:38the continuation of this war, because these
00:19:42people can't find a key how to
00:19:46stop Putin, because
00:19:49it's more difficult to
00:19:53stop Putin than to pressure others.
00:19:57we've been discussing this with a political risk consultant and lawyer
00:20:00adsonter, says it's very foolish for Zelensky to try and
00:20:04make an enemy out of Donald Trump.
00:20:08the recent reaction, the out outburs of
00:20:11anger from the Ukrainian leader uh after
00:20:15the um quite historical words coming from
00:20:19the uh mouth the President the United States Donald Trump
00:20:22that uh the uh democratic election should be
00:20:26um uh put in place in in Ukraine because the current leader
00:20:30is not serving his nation and the
00:20:33its um uh resonder uh
00:20:39so basically um Mr. Zelinski is putting
00:20:42everything into one basket, so basically she's he's
00:20:45playing a russian quite simply put it
00:20:49because... he's betting on uh uh democrats coming to
00:20:53power after the mid-terms elections uh related to
00:20:57dispopularity the Donald Trump in the United States due to
00:21:01his um unnecessary conflict with Iran.
00:21:04So uh basically the the the
00:21:08thinking in Brussels and both in in
00:21:10in in Kief and Brussels is that once the democrats will take the
00:21:14majority in the United States the uh the previous
00:21:18scenario which is uh situation of maximum
00:21:21pressure on Russia and supplying
00:21:24Ukraine with money and weapons will
00:21:28continue, so I think that this is the one way
00:21:32streak um for for Mr. Zelinski, because maybe even if
00:21:36the democrats will come to power, still the Donald Trump is a
00:21:40president and has a significant influence over the
00:21:44foreign policy of his own country, so I think that making an
00:21:48enemies both. Russia and United States who is the
00:21:52main sponsor who has been the main sponsor of this unnecessary
00:21:55conflict uh
00:21:56is very dangerous uh again plan from Mr. Zelinski in his
00:22:00political circle so as I imagine you know by now this
00:22:04all comes as the European Union has approved yet another package
00:22:08of sanctions on Russia it's a number 22 by the
00:22:11way Brussels again claiming it's so important to keep
00:22:15increasing pressure on Moscow and keep increasing support for
00:22:18Ukraine. At the same time, it called out Donald Trump's new
00:22:22diesel deal with
00:22:23Russia. We acknowledge
00:22:27the agreement between the United States and Russia regarding the export of
00:22:31diesel, Russia will only negotiate seriously under
00:22:34pressure, which is why we are sticking to our sanctions against
00:22:37Russia.
00:22:38The more we help Ukraine, the sooner the war will be over. What we need to do
00:22:42is refocus and redouble our efforts in keeping pressure on Russia, that has to be our
00:22:46priority and that is Europe's priority.
00:22:50neither the crisis the oil products nor the unity
00:22:54within the transatlantic community what concerns on Russia
00:22:58and it is not the European way, our way is to increase pressure
00:23:01buse we already seen how it works, we are not done here cuuse for
00:23:05Europe, this is the vital interest to help Ukraine to
00:23:09sustain this winter and continuing putting, as I already
00:23:13said pressure pressure pressure on Russia, of course it was Friday
00:23:17that Trump and Putin cut a deal with Washington lifting. sanctions on
00:23:20Moscow's diesel exports, the news did see oil prices
00:23:24fall, although they remain above hundred bucks a barrel. At the agreement says
00:23:28Moscow will supply 300 thousand tons of diesel to American and
00:23:32global markets followed by another half million in November.
00:23:35Another million will come after that with a further 3 million later
00:23:39depending on the condition of Russia's refineries. The decision has been
00:23:43seized upon by much the media, although they conveniently ignore Europe's
00:23:47own continued thirst for Russian fuel. something that has not
00:23:50escaped the attention the US
00:23:52president. The European
00:23:56Union paid Russia 250 billion dollars for energy,
00:24:00and the fake news media doesn't want to get near that story. I made the
00:24:04right choice for the American people, always America
00:24:07first. Well, according to the Russian deputy prime minister, Trump's
00:24:11been under reporting just how much diesel is actually due
00:24:14to be heading over to the
00:24:16states. According to our... ministry
00:24:20of energy, the figure is significantly higher than even the 250 billion
00:24:24denounced by our American colleagues. This amount totals
00:24:27320, 7 billion dollars for the period from
00:24:302022 to the present day. This represents the volume of energy
00:24:34resource supplies to European Union countries regarding the year
00:24:382026. According to the Ministry of Energy, 21, 3 billion
00:24:41dollars worth of energy resources have already been supplied to Europe in the first
00:24:45nine months alone. Despite sanctions restrictions, energy resources
00:24:49continue.
00:24:50to be supplied to us via specific channels for which exceptions have been
00:24:53made. as reliable supplier that has always fulfilled its previously signed
00:24:57contracts, Russia continues to honor its obligations. Indeed, although the
00:25:01composition of exports to the European Union has changed significantly in recent
00:25:04years, it was not due to our fault. so regarding
00:25:08this latest now, the brand new package of sanctions against Russia number
00:25:1222, by the way, but after so many rounds of
00:25:16sanctions could this actually be a sign, the Brussels is running low on
00:25:20options to bring Moscow to its knees, here's our correspondent
00:25:23egorasdanov. realistically though, this has been
00:25:27the point that Europe has been making all along,
00:25:29like we need to apply pressure on Russia to bring the war, the
00:25:33end the war closer. this is clearly not working, but you know this definition of
00:25:36insanity, one the definitions, insanity is you know
00:25:40doing the same thing over and over again and each time
00:25:44hoping for different result. well, I'm sure they are already thinking what they could include
00:25:48into the 23rd package, how can... make the 23rd sanctions
00:25:51package the biggest yet, you can clearly hear the rhetoric, for
00:25:54instance, the what the Estonian Prime Minister has said, who
00:25:58openly, openly
00:26:09agreement goes against the long-term efforts the western world to limit the
00:26:12flow of energy revenues to Putin. The US has already convinced its
00:26:16allies, including us, to abandoned Russian fuel. The
00:26:20long-term goal of depriving Russia of funds is correct, and it must be
00:26:24continued. In Estonia, and at the European Council, it is worth
00:26:28discussing next week whether we can quickly contribute more to Ukraine so that they
00:26:32can... strike Russian oil refineries? Europe has been
00:26:36buying gas, has been buying Russia's Russia's metals uh, pretty
00:26:39much just this year alone they purchased Europe purchased just about
00:26:4310 billion dollars worth of goods from Russia, six billions,
00:26:47just over 6 billions accounting for, well well with gas
00:26:51accounting for 6.1 billion of of this. Now
00:26:55of course we don't know how how much Russia will get in this diesel deal
00:26:59with the United States given how many steps in it there is. but
00:27:03essentially if you look at the at the oil prices and if you take the figure as
00:27:07to how much Russia has agreed so far to to supply
00:27:10the United States with, that's in the realms of 7
00:27:14billion dollars. yeah, so 6 billion for gas in case of Europe,
00:27:187 billion uh in case of diesel in the United States. Europe has
00:27:22been doing all the same things, they have been you know also funding Putin's war
00:27:26efforts and so on, it just they've been doing it quietly. seems like the only
00:27:29threat to to this deal is Kiev because said that he's going to
00:27:33continue attacking Russian oil refineries, but why
00:27:37is he so keen on uh sabotaging
00:27:41Washington's uh plans? well, it's pretty clear, you just have to look at what
00:27:44Kiev has had to say before that, they wanted this energy deal, but
00:27:48a very different, well shape and form. Zelensky, well he's been
00:27:52uh, he's been making some very unhinged claims saying that well, the United States
00:27:56should have come to Ukraine and made deal with Ukraine, as if
00:28:00Ukraine, well in his words it does, controls the out the Russian
00:28:04output, have a have listen. Why doesn't America
00:28:08conclude a diesel deal with Ukraine? Let Ukraine offer a
00:28:11diesel deal? We influence whether these ships go or not, whether these
00:28:15refineries work or not, so yes, let's sign the corresponding diesel
00:28:19deal with the President the United States of America. Again, this
00:28:23is also quite ironic to come from a man whose entire
00:28:26budget, entire country lives of whatever Europe has
00:28:30to give to them, otherwise the... don't even have enough to pay
00:28:34salaries to the most crucial part their society right now and that's their you know
00:28:37servicement. it seems that uh the weight of
00:28:41supporting uh Kiev's war machine is now uh being
00:28:45pressed on Brussel's shoulders
00:28:47so what does Russia have to say about indeed it has been the policy the
00:28:51Trump administration for a while now let Europe
00:28:55pay for the war in Europe according to Russia well Europe has already
00:28:59shown that it is not they can say they can talk however much
00:29:02they want about wanting to bring this war to an end, but they don't, because
00:29:06every because we've seen everything that they have implied so far, here
00:29:10it has failed, but still Europe is definitely a party
00:29:14acts like a party in this war while Washington is trying to uh have
00:29:18look and try to trying to find
00:29:20solutions, the Europeans clearly do not belong to
00:29:24the party of peace, the party that seeks ways toward peaceful settlement, the
00:29:28Europeans are more like the party of war which continues to do everything to prevent
00:29:32this. from stopping, we are far more impressed by the efforts the American
00:29:36negotiators, so right now we are a bit of crossroads here with
00:29:40one way being, well it could all with, I mean all of this huffing
00:29:43and puffing, if that will just remain that, all
00:29:47talk,
00:29:48and uh, Europe and Zelensky will talk very tough
00:29:52but won't act on these words, or if they will decide to
00:29:55directly try and disrupt Russia's well shipments to the United States,
00:29:59beat vessels or beat attacks against you know infrastructure in... by Russia and
00:30:03that would be interesting to see if they choose that that sort of course of
00:30:07events, if they choose the latter, then well Trump has quite a few, quite a few
00:30:11means to apply pressure and to punish uh anyone well in Ukraine
00:30:14for in Ukraine and Europe for disobedience, starting with the most
00:30:18obvious options like cutting intelligence sharing and switching off the starlink you
00:30:22know dishes. All right, there's our correspon right now,
00:30:26wrapping up this live hour from Moscow on RT International, from me,
00:30:29Robery Suche and the entire news team here, thank you for. sharing your time
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