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00:02:00This will be an honest detective story.
00:02:20Now let's continue our conversation about corruption cases and reshuffles in the Ukrainian echelons of
00:02:23power. Olga Stefanyshyna, former Ambassador of Ukraine to the USA, was given a pre-trial restraint in the form of
00:02:27bail in the amount of 134,000 dollars.
00:02:30This was reported by the Center for Combating Corruption. As I recall,
00:02:33various charges have been brought against her. Now, joining us
00:02:36via video link is Vasily Prozarov, a former SBU officer and founder of the Ukrleaks project. Vasily
00:02:40Nikolayevich,
00:02:42hello. Good afternoon. In your opinion, what is the reason for
00:02:46the attack on Stefanyshyna? Who is playing against her, and what role does she herself play in the
00:02:49political landscape of Ukraine?
00:02:53You know, the first thing that caught my eye when I read
00:02:56about Stefanyshyna was...
00:03:00To be honest, the insignificance of the corruption crimes she is
00:03:03accused of. Honestly, it's pennies. She didn't declare an apartment
00:03:07there, or something else. The total amount
00:03:10is ridiculous compared to other
00:03:13Ukrainian corruption cases. It seems
00:03:16to me that her attack,
00:03:19so to speak, is a continuation of the scandal
00:03:22with Fedorov. As
00:03:26we have already discussed, Fedorov was supposed to be a minister
00:03:30of defense. These are the largest
00:03:33financial flows in Ukraine, and Zelensky removed
00:03:36Fedorov because he wanted to bring
00:03:39these financial flows under his control.
00:03:42When all this happened, we talked about
00:03:45how it wasn't over, that the pressure
00:03:48on Zelensky would continue. Currently, the deputies of
00:03:52the Verkhovna Rada are on vacation, but on the eighteenth, they will return from
00:03:56vacation and will make decisions, including
00:03:59voting for a new minister of defense and for
00:04:02personnel changes in general. I think that
00:04:05the attack, so to speak, on Stefanyshyna
00:04:09is pressure on Zelensky
00:04:12so that he, so to speak, backs down and brings
00:04:16Fedorov back. Vasily Nikolayevich, in that case, why did Zelensky recall
00:04:20her from the position of ambassador to the United States? Some of your colleagues believe that he sent her there
00:04:23precisely to protect her from the threat of criminal prosecution.
00:04:27Well, one can assume that he had no
00:04:31choice, that such incriminating evidence was presented to him that, unfortunately, he had to
00:04:35do it. One can assume that
00:04:38he is trying to save people who know a lot about
00:04:42him, like Stefanyshyna.
00:04:46But I see it this way: this is a continuation of the struggle for
00:04:49the position of minister of defense. And why then
00:04:52are the claims so minuscule in the end? Does this mean that some agreements
00:04:56are still in effect, influencing the investigation?
00:05:00No, I think this is what was simply
00:05:04already prepared, what didn't require much digging or
00:05:08proving. It's what was really
00:05:11at hand. They took what was at hand. You know, you can
00:05:15grab onto something small, and then during the investigation of a criminal
00:05:18case, dig up everything else. This is, roughly speaking, a parachute
00:05:22against her, in the language
00:05:24of investigators. That is, something she
00:05:28cannot escape. That's why they latched onto
00:05:32such a trifle. Everything was very clearly shown to Zelensky:
00:05:35"We are here, we are close, we can even target
00:05:39your closest circle." And... what
00:05:42are the prospects, how do you think this case will develop?
00:05:46It's interesting if Zelensky will withstand it or not. Again, I repeat, in my
00:05:50opinion, it's about money. The position
00:05:53of Minister of Defense, I repeat again, involves the largest financial flows
00:05:57in Ukraine right now. Zelensky,
00:05:59of course, wants to keep them under control. Those
00:06:02representatives of the West, even Soros's people, whom
00:06:06they are now talking about in connection with the attack on
00:06:09Stefanyshyna, and who are behind...
00:06:42He also has support and protection in the West and in
00:06:45Europe, and I think there are such behind-the-scenes
00:06:49negotiations going on now, it's just scary to
00:06:52imagine. As for Fedorov, how serious a threat does he currently pose to
00:06:56Zelensky, in your opinion, from a political point
00:06:58of view? I think he does not pose a threat, well,
00:07:02he does, but not by himself. He represents
00:07:05himself as, let's say,
00:07:08an avatar of those people who are, well, fighting
00:07:12against...
00:08:24as if they perceive themselves as some kind of saviors of Europe and Western countries, to whom everything is permitted,
00:08:27everything is allowed, including the elimination of undesirable
00:08:31people. The story with Vadim Yarmolaev in
00:08:35Monaco is a clear confirmation of this. Therefore,
00:08:38yes, I quite think that on the territory of Ukraine, Fedorov
00:08:42will not be touched, because that would too clearly point to
00:08:45Zelensky. But if he is sent as an ambassador somewhere
00:08:49to Canada or the UN or Britain instead of
00:08:52Zaluzhny, and something unfortunate happens to him there, we
00:08:56fully allow for that possibility. If we look at who is
00:09:00manipulating whom, and if we consider the version that certain forces
00:09:04are behind all the figures of
00:09:07Ukrainian politics, who
00:09:10is behind Zelensky, who is behind Fedorov?
00:09:14In the end, who will be stronger in this
00:09:16confrontation?
00:09:19No, well, it's really hard to say who it is.
00:09:22Well, it's considered, a priori, that the British
00:09:26are more behind Zelensky now,
00:09:29and representatives of Soros and some representatives
00:09:32of the USA are behind Fedorov. But you know, this is such, let's say, an
00:09:36overused journalistic cliché, that it could be
00:09:40completely the opposite. I assume that...
00:10:12quite a lot of such loud statements that go against
00:10:16Kyiv's policy.
00:10:19Can we say that Zaluzhny, as Zelensky's main
00:10:23opponent, has been replaced by Fedorov?
00:10:26No, you know, what's good about Western, well,
00:10:30I don't even know what to say, this is the work
00:10:34of special services, informational, diplomatic work for the
00:10:37future. They never throw anyone away. Remember
00:10:40the saying of Walter Nikolay, the head of German
00:10:43intelligence, that in intelligence there are no discards, there are personnel.
00:10:47They will never write anyone off. They will still keep some
00:10:50figure on a short leash, tossing them
00:10:54money. At the right moment, pulling them out of the deck for
00:10:57some specific actions, for some specific
00:11:00operation. Right now, it would seem that Zaluzhny is nobody and his
00:11:04name is nothing. Everyone has forgotten about him, but he was needed to strike
00:11:08at Zelensky or to show Zelensky that
00:11:11we know
00:11:14your pain points, we will hit them, and boom, here's
00:11:18Zaluzhny. They will never, I mean the West, these Western
00:11:21puppet masters, they will never write off
00:11:25even the slightest public opinion leader. Therefore,
00:11:28to say that Zaluzhny has been written off is absolutely impossible.
00:11:32If needed, they will pull him out, dust him off and
00:11:35put him in first place. Two
00:11:39months of active information work, and he's back on the
00:11:42front pages, he's back to being a national hero,
00:11:46he's back to being first on the bench. So no,
00:11:49you can't say that he's been written off. As
00:11:53for corruption investigations, "Mindich,
00:11:57Yermak, Stefanyshyna, Umerov, maybe I forgot someone,
00:12:00please add to it, almost all of Zelensky's inner circle is
00:12:04somehow involved in this scandal.
00:12:08It seems that all these investigations, if not put on hold, then someone
00:12:11was released on bail, against someone the case simply
00:12:15died down. This is all
00:12:18some kind of politics, yes, which can then, as you
00:12:21say, flare up with new force, or..."
00:12:55from all sides, showing that, "Boy, look, you could be next.
00:12:58We know everything about you, all your, roughly
00:13:02speaking, financial supports, we've knocked them all out." There was
00:13:06such a term in Ukraine when I worked on organized
00:13:09crime,
00:13:12"destruction of the economic foundation of organized crime," "destruction
00:13:16of the economic basis of organized crime." So,
00:13:19these corruption scandals are very similar to
00:13:22knocking out the economic basis from under Zelensky.
00:13:25Perhaps this is being done by those people who want to
00:13:29replace him, put their own person in, and make money
00:13:32in Ukraine, well, into one pocket, so to speak. And do you think this
00:13:35could eventually lead to some compromise solutions from Kyiv, including
00:13:38on conflict
00:13:41resolution? Well, yes, it's quite possible, because,
00:13:45for example, those who remove Zelensky are interested in
00:13:49the development of the European economy, which cannot
00:13:52exist without Russian energy resources. And this is, as
00:13:56it were, a field for compromises. But the thing is, I repeat again,
00:13:59Zelensky is not acting alone, serious figures also stand
00:14:03behind him, and the worst
00:14:05thing is
00:14:08that colossal money is being made from this war. Many
00:14:11people are interested in this war continuing,
00:14:15so whether it's Zelensky or someone
00:14:17else,
00:14:20the groups that are interested in the continuation of this war
00:14:24are making money.
00:14:46after all these shifts on the front line, there might be some changes, how did it all
00:14:50affect things? No, you know, everything, well, on the front
00:14:53line, thank God. Drone attacks
00:14:59are
00:15:05very painful for us, we won't
00:15:08hide it. As for politics, you know, it reminds me
00:15:11very much of the Ukrainian
00:15:14Directory's turmoil after the 1917 Revolution,
00:15:18the change of power in
00:15:21Ukraine, roughly speaking, until 1921.
00:15:25At that time, power changed so quickly that people didn't even
00:15:28have time to remember their names.
00:15:32In Ukraine now, too, there are no figures left, only some
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