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00:00:07as an incentive in this process of insurance, from then on we have to
00:00:10look again at the issues of prevention, as
00:00:13it seems here we have a case like that of
00:00:17Evia, a very dense forest, a very rich
00:00:21forest, which had been protected all these years,
00:00:23either by chance or for reasons of
00:00:27prevention, but it had been left. It had
00:00:30been left because people are no longer in the periphery,
00:00:33resin producers, the people who lived daily and
00:00:37functioned as unofficial
00:00:40managers of the forests, this is a big
00:00:43issue and there must be a comprehensive providence, obviously
00:00:46there is money, the anti-flooding program, there is the
00:00:50undergrounding program for the cables of DEDDIE and ADMIE, all
00:00:54these issues that come and go, the point is to be given from a certain point
00:00:58onwards.
00:01:08Exactly, and it's a big discussion, Mr. Minister, the desertification of the countryside, of course, and one of
00:01:12the issues that, of course, a living
00:01:14forest that has activities within it is less at risk. Now, farmers,
00:01:18yes, now farmers have been taken out of production, tourist
00:01:22businesses,
00:01:24we will see them and we will see them in the coming days. I repeat my basic
00:01:28position that it is a danger. Climate change will be constantly
00:01:32escalating in the future, we must make bold decisions,
00:01:35for me, universal insurance is a solution with
00:01:39low cost and because there will be a dispersion of risk,
00:01:42this thing you mentioned as a problem that in a dangerous area an insurance
00:01:46company may not want to insure, it will be obliged and it will have included it in
00:01:50its total risk pool, you are leaving for Domokos,
00:01:54very, no, not
00:01:57next, take care Mr. Petsas, thank you very much.
00:13:47connection, let's go all the way to Bonn or
00:13:51Berlin, I think Dimitra Kyranoudi is in Berlin.
00:13:58It is the historical headquarters of Deutsche Welle, so
00:14:01Bonn has a special significance and a special symbolism, as does the
00:14:05Greek service of Deutsche Welle, which has
00:14:08played a very significant role over all these decades, for
00:14:12information, but also, of course, for culture, and for
00:14:15Greece, I would say more broadly. Dimitra
00:14:18Kyranoudi with us, the head of the Greek department of
00:14:22Deutsche Welle. Good morning Dimitra, we need your help
00:14:25to understand all that happened yesterday in
00:14:29Leipzig after this, after the detection of a
00:14:33drone on the ground at the airport near a
00:14:36Ukrainian transport Antonov. Let's see where
00:14:40we are and what all this means.
00:14:43Good morning from Berlin and thank you for the
00:14:47moving introduction to Dio.
00:14:50Hello from Berlin too, I should say. Good day from here,
00:14:54we now have two headquarters, eh,
00:14:57we stayed up all night in Germany yesterday, after this
00:15:01extremely serious incident, as it is now
00:15:05officially described by the German authorities,
00:15:09speaking of a new level of
00:15:12threat, as well as of
00:15:15a case of hybrid attack,
00:15:18as the German Interior Minister said late last
00:15:21night, Dobrind,
00:15:25stating that it is a hybrid
00:15:28attack with a high degree of
00:15:32professionalism. We have not seen
00:15:35anything similar until now, despite the fact that after
00:15:382022, sightings,
00:15:42recordings of drones in
00:15:44Germany have increased in critical
00:15:48infrastructures, at airports, military installations,
00:15:51and even at energy supply
00:15:54installations. Now, what happened at the airport, and these are
00:15:58incidents, Dimitra, for which there are
00:16:01suspicions but there are no such evidence
00:16:04that you can find who it is. Who is
00:16:08behind this specific drone, who was flying the drone for example that
00:16:12was found yesterday in Leipzig, who was flying the drone for example
00:16:15that prevented another aircraft and was directed to
00:16:18DHL's Hanover, all these incidents
00:16:22come and go and escalate in recent
00:16:25months, and it is understood
00:16:28that in Germany and in many other European capitals,
00:16:32there is an alert. Yes, exactly, let's see what
00:16:35we know so far about this... case. It is now
00:16:38confirmed to be two distinct cases, two drones.
00:16:42The first drone was detected in
00:16:45Lemmer. And the second drone
00:16:49ultimately, as it seems the second was also a drone,
00:16:52although it has not yet been confirmed, but the indications so far
00:16:56lead to this conclusion. In the first confirmed case
00:16:59now, it is a drone which
00:17:03carried an explosive device, a detonator and
00:17:06explosive material. It passed various tests which were
00:17:10positive, which was neutralized on the ground, on the
00:17:13runway, next to a Ukrainian
00:17:17transport aircraft of type
00:17:20Antonov. A little
00:17:23later, and after the runway had been closed,
00:17:27traffic had stopped at that particular
00:17:28airport, for landing and
00:17:32takeoff, a second DHL
00:17:36aircraft failed to land at
00:17:39Leipzig Halle airport. However,
00:17:42as airport authorities reported,
00:17:46subsequently this, the second aircraft collided with an unknown
00:17:49object, it eventually landed in
00:17:53Hanover and there damages were
00:17:56recorded. These are therefore the facts we know so far, we do not
00:18:00know who is behind this case, where
00:18:04these two drones came from, what the motives are,
00:18:07of course everyone is talking, the scenarios they are examining are
00:18:11sabotage or terrorist
00:18:14act. It is important to say in closing that this
00:18:18airport is of pivotal importance for NATO and for the
00:18:21German armed forces, because from there
00:18:24air transport of military equipment
00:18:28has been taking place in recent years, mainly towards Ukraine. On the
00:18:32other hand, since 2022, this airport has
00:18:36also been the base
00:18:40of, so it is of pivotal importance for Ukraine as
00:18:44well, this airport.
00:18:47And we all understand, Dimitra, where the suspicions are directed
00:18:51with all this report, and that it is the headquarters of Antonov
00:18:54Airlines, which essentially serves Ukraine and the
00:18:57sending of material there, so we all understand what's happening. Before
00:19:01we close, we can also see a graphic regarding
00:19:04the airports in Europe. where
00:19:08unidentified flying objects
00:19:11of unknown origin and unknown identity have been detected. Yes, we are not talking about
00:19:15an isolated incident, and here you can see the dots on the map as
00:19:18they have been placed by the Sky graphics team
00:19:22and based on the analyses of available reports from various international
00:19:26verification teams, disturbances at European airports in the
00:19:29last two years have almost quadrupled. We are talking from
00:19:33January 2024 until November 2025.
00:19:41Indeed, and so we see the incidents, one after the other.
00:19:45Come on, Dimitra, just to tell you in closing that we have a statement from the
00:19:49Ukrainian ambassador to Germany, who says that no one
00:19:53else can be hiding except Russia. The German authorities
00:19:56do not name Russia, but it is a fact that in the past,
00:20:00in another similar case again at Leipzig airport,
00:20:04back then with a DHL package that exploded,
00:20:08the German authorities concluded that Russian factors were
00:20:11hiding then. Thank you very much, Dimitra, have a good
00:20:15day, thank you very much, good morning from Berlin and thank you very
00:20:19much to Deutsche Welle and we hope to have Deutsche Welle with
00:20:23us for many years to come, let's say this, there have been some
00:20:26announcements at this moment, we hope that this historical
00:20:30service, Deutsche Welle, and the
00:20:34Greek editorial team will be maintained and things will not happen.
00:20:39We hope things will go for the best now, hopefully. Let's go to
00:20:43our table, let's open a completely different
00:20:46discussion. Near us is rather with...
00:20:50in connection, but we say near us, because nothing, exactly,
00:20:53technology helps us to come closer, Mr. Kostas
00:20:57Daltas, lawyer, as well as Mrs. Ioanna
00:21:00Konstantinidou, psychologist. Good morning, thank you very much to
00:21:03both. So, we will open the
00:21:07discussion on a very interesting topic. We have been watching
00:21:11these devastating fires in recent days and I would
00:21:14like us to talk, Mrs. Konstantinidou, to start this discussion
00:21:18from the invisible flames. We will talk,
00:21:21therefore, about the psychological trauma caused to the
00:21:24people who experienced this situation during which
00:21:28they were called to save themselves,
00:21:31to save their properties from the flames and at
00:21:35this moment they are returning to the place they loved, a paradise, as
00:21:39for example, they called Porto Germeno, and
00:21:42everything has turned to ashes?
00:21:46We are talking about loss, and
00:21:49believe me, that this loss of home, that
00:21:52is, of roots, of identity, part of identity, a strong part of
00:21:56a person's identity, structural, existential, if
00:21:59you will, imagine people
00:22:03or let's put ourselves in the place of these people, the
00:22:06fire victims, losing your roots, losing your childhood
00:22:10home or the house for which you built,
00:22:13bled, sweated, took loans,
00:22:16made plans and dreams for your children.
00:22:20And it turns to ashes, so we are talking about a trauma
00:22:24comparable to the loss of a loved one,
00:22:28and these individuals, the
00:22:31fire victims, truly go through the stages
00:22:34of grief that we go through when we lose a
00:22:36person, a natural loss, and
00:22:40in disasters of this type it is like that, yes,
00:22:43please, can you remind us what these stages are?
00:22:47They are certainly denial, negotiation.
00:22:58of all kinds and within all this they have to manage
00:23:01bureaucratic matters, so now they have to manage the
00:23:05bureaucratic part to get the required
00:23:09compensations and so on, and
00:23:12we were seeing, Mrs. Konstantinidou, just to add to what Athena was saying a
00:23:15while ago, we were seeing testimonies from a resident there who
00:23:19said: demolish it an hour earlier, I can't see it
00:23:22burned, his house, yes, truly, because
00:23:25it activates this person and at every
00:23:28hearing of such news,
00:23:31exactly, exactly, and at every hearing, unfortunately, next
00:23:34year and the year after and every year as is customary, it is not
00:23:38a clock, for God's sake, the trauma is prolonged and
00:23:41it is activated as if they are reliving it and reliving it and reliving
00:23:45it. This is called triggering,
00:23:49activation.
00:23:51It is an internal focus, if you'll allow me
00:23:54the common parallelism,
00:23:57because literally it catches fire from a spark and the
00:24:00spark is the trigger, that is, what we see, indeed. Here
00:24:04we are traumatized, we who are watching the
00:24:07situation, it's not just a piece of news. So the goal
00:24:11is to prevent psychological catastrophe, and now we will give the
00:24:15floor to Mr. Daltas to tell us if
00:24:18the state itself could possibly help
00:24:22with possible provision of psychological support. It
00:24:25would be useful, as we understand.
00:24:28Of course it would be useful, I don't know if
00:24:30a process has been put in place.
00:24:33I think Mrs. Konstantinidou is more
00:24:36competent to say that any help and support, as well as the
00:24:40compensation of people, is a
00:24:44support. I have to tell you that
00:24:47I passed through Ilia for quite a few years
00:24:51after the deadly fires of 2007, and I saw that these areas
00:24:54that had burned were lush green, there was no sign, of course, almost
00:24:58over 10 years had passed, but the
00:25:01signs that one would expect were
00:25:04not there. These areas had obviously
00:25:08naturally regenerated, the fact that the
00:25:11reconstruction, the compensation for the
00:25:15people, I think and the hope for
00:25:18it, I think that it will help those people to
00:25:22try to heal their wounds, yes, exactly, exactly,
00:25:26that is always the price, human
00:25:29life, is the ultimate, but beyond that, also properties which
00:25:33are the result of a lifetime's efforts, we all understand
00:25:37the pain caused, Mr. Daltas, by these cases,
00:25:40we must say that in one week we had five
00:25:44deaths from the fire services,
00:25:47this on the one hand is tragic. It
00:25:50also raises some questions. A, will there be
00:25:53an investigation into possible responsibilities? We are still at
00:25:57an early stage. I must tell you, however, that, for
00:26:01example, in the fires in there, the prefect and the
00:26:05mayor of Zacharo were considered responsible, but only for Ilia. Yes, only for Ilia for
00:26:09the dead, not for Arcadia or Laconia or Evia
00:26:13also after years because they had not made
00:26:15firebreaks, he said and it was confirmed by the Supreme Court that if firebreaks
00:26:19had been made, there would have been no deaths, specifically only in Ilia,
00:26:23I repeat, not in Arcadia, Laconia, Evia. I say this
00:26:26because it is a criticism of that decision. Also, for
00:26:30two weeks the forest of Dadia burned.
00:26:34I don't think that no responsibilities have been sought
00:26:38for that, as well as for the fires in Evia in 2021. Let's
00:26:42see now, because you know, the legislation has been
00:26:44tightened, it goes all the way to imprisonment, it goes
00:26:48all the way to imprisonment, I must remind you,
00:26:51and the sentences with suspension have also been reduced,
00:26:55we also see lately that we are now talking about
00:26:58prison, certainly, certainly, it is the so-called.
00:27:02as we lawyers say, without conversion, without suspension, without
00:27:06redemption and so on. Therefore, this issue needs some attention,
00:27:09now there are also the tools
00:27:13of proof, for example, if
00:27:16there were indications that
00:27:20the networks had a problem there and the
00:27:23responsible parties had realized this and had done nothing, those
00:27:27people who would be held responsible for this
00:27:30would be in a very difficult position. Exactly, since you are referring to this, Mr.
00:27:34Daltas, I think we should also note the progress that has
00:27:37been made by the local authorities the investigative services of
00:27:40the fire department because now we see complete reports
00:27:44e for the cause
00:27:46of the and not only reports, we see
00:27:50images, we see images, e
00:27:52because there are now drones
00:27:55which operate from
00:27:58various and from the authorities but from various volunteer groups and
00:28:02therefore we quickly have an idea of how
00:28:05a fire starts because you will remember for years the theory was that
00:28:09they were land-grabbing arsonists and finally it turns out that in
00:28:13the vast majority of cases it is from sprinklers from the networks
00:28:16etc. Now let's go to the issue of Morfin
00:28:20because today the 46-year-old who was extradited from
00:28:23Britain is expected here in the country. The 46-year-old
00:28:27who 16 years after the Marfin tragedy in
00:28:31May 2010. The explanations for all that
00:28:34she is accused of Mr. Mr. Daltas, yes,
00:28:37look, e, we are talking about 16 years
00:28:41that the evidence
00:28:45presented is quite distant, very
00:28:48distant, I would say, from the
00:28:51events that have caused a deep trauma in
00:28:54Greek society and there is a sensitivity
00:28:58e, now it has caused a discussion among us lawyers.
00:29:01The fact that evidentiary
00:29:05methods are being used, such as artificial intelligence, because the
00:29:08perpetrators had their characteristics covered from head to toe, as we say,
00:29:12there are some models of proof, e there is
00:29:16a discussion, to be honest here,
00:29:20e it is not completely baseless, it is not that the authorities acted completely arbitrarily,
00:29:24they have reached some conclusions utilizing some evidentiary
00:29:27methods, which will of course be put under the judgment of the court, the
00:29:31body. The hair, the
00:29:35backpack, which had this mark, let's
00:29:38say, from a music band, all these are under discussion,
00:29:42a discussion has been provoked,
00:29:45about the backpack, I mean that there is a very detailed
00:29:49analysis and the evidence, according to the police, that is presented,
00:29:52yes, of course you understand that there will be, and I have heard
00:29:56the lawyers, a strong counter-argument, we cannot
00:29:59judge from afar here. First of all, for
00:30:02example, even though I have followed, it happens to know
00:30:05the position of the accused, I was there, I was not
00:30:09there e I am not this, I am this but
00:30:12I did not participate, I mean, nothing like that has become known,
00:30:16it is a very serious story to deal with
00:30:19superficially and epidermally indeed, indeed, now
00:30:23at the level of trauma and because we have Mrs. Konstantinidou with us who
00:30:27specializes in these matters, Mrs. Konstantinidou, as
00:30:30Mr. Daltas said, it is this deep
00:30:33trauma in Greek society and that 16 years
00:30:36later it is a case that remains open and
00:30:40we hope at this stage at least some light will be shed
00:30:43to see what happened because 16 years
00:30:47later it is an open wound for Greek
00:30:50society. It is indeed a collective
00:30:53trauma, we have been saying it for years, we have been feeling it for years, this is
00:30:57it. Very good.