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00:00:00that social media is the mirror of our society
00:00:03and it also becomes the magnifying
00:00:06glass essentially of the emotions of our society and there is not one
00:00:10emotion, anger, which
00:00:13runs at high speed,
00:00:17suppressed anger, which is expressed through hate speech
00:00:20on social media, exactly, anger is normal, hate speech
00:00:24is not, because it is directed against people and aims
00:00:28to degrade them, to.
00:00:31to degrade them, however, a very toxic environment now we see it, there is
00:00:34anonymity, which of course helps,
00:00:38in quotes, these people who want to
00:00:41comment in a vulgar way to be able to do so without any
00:00:45consequences. Exactly, for this reason, it is worth mentioning at this point the phenomenon of
00:00:48online disinhibition, what
00:00:52is it? It is a term introduced by a
00:00:56psychologist in 2004 which refers to people's tendency.
00:01:00to express themselves as they want through
00:01:04social media, something they wouldn't do, they wouldn't
00:01:07express themselves if they were face
00:01:11to face, exactly, in simple words, what does it mean that there the
00:01:14brakes of logic and
00:01:17behavior break, so yes, there is an intense
00:01:20anger behind it, that anger is not innate,
00:01:24meaning we were not born with anger, but surely
00:01:27as children we saw it somewhere. We saw it in our home, to be a
00:01:31dominant emotion, to express everything through
00:01:35anger, or even on the contrary to suppress
00:01:38anger, meaning not to be allowed to express
00:01:40it, so as an adult, you cannot
00:01:44regulate it, however, here's how we can
00:01:47protect ourselves, to be able to regulate it, that's the
00:01:50most important thing, especially regarding
00:01:53hate speech on social media, before
00:01:57we press that send button to...
00:02:00let's go back a few seconds and think
00:02:04will it help if I express myself this way
00:02:06or does it touch something of my own or does this anger
00:02:10have to do with me, is it directed at me and for the person
00:02:14who receives it, I understand correctly Ms. Goulias, if someone
00:02:17receives, because we see it in very young ages, we see
00:02:21that children in school, in adolescence,
00:02:24receive such negative comments through social media and it affects
00:02:28their psychology, of course. When someone receives such
00:02:31a negative, vulgar comment,
00:02:34they should realize that behind it perhaps lies a
00:02:37miserable person, an angry person, and that it doesn't concern
00:02:41them that much, perhaps in such a way, children and adults could be armored,
00:02:44exactly, exactly, because anger is the
00:02:48iceberg essentially, because it is a secondary
00:02:51emotion, before anger, there are some other primary
00:02:55emotions which come and anger covers them, a
00:02:59sadness. It cannot become anger, so we must be able
00:03:02to see why
00:03:04we express, why someone has this
00:03:08need to wag their finger, to speak
00:03:10vulgarly, to curse possibly, why anger comes
00:03:14out, what does it serve, what does it serve
00:03:16us for? And obviously to, to
00:03:20children perhaps and if we can give a message to children who
00:03:24receive hate speech, what should
00:03:27these children do in this situation? Do they report it to their
00:03:31parents, should they protect themselves in some other way? Surely they should
00:03:35report it to their parents, because we have seen that there are also
00:03:38very bad results when they don't
00:03:42report it to their parents, now beyond that, when it concerns, when it comes to
00:03:46an adult, there I think they shouldn't
00:03:49deal with it further, so
00:03:52you say indifference or not answering, not getting into the
00:03:55process, to have it then
00:03:58hate speech becomes a. field of confrontation, it becomes a field
00:04:01of confrontation because there anger
00:04:04spreads very easily on the internet, there is anonymity,
00:04:08there is someone is invisible,
00:04:12so from the moment we don't see the face, the
00:04:15eyes, we don't see the emotions of the person we have in front of us, it is very
00:04:18easy to express ourselves this
00:04:21way, it is usually with vulgarity, and it is also very easy,
00:04:25we see that a horde of these
00:04:28messages is created. We see that there is mimicry
00:04:31usually hundreds of such
00:04:34critical messages and it is very normal for us
00:04:38to express ourselves in the same way, that is,
00:04:41hatred spreads very quickly, thank
00:04:44you very much for being with us today, because in some way we all
00:04:48need to understand why all this is happening, but also
00:04:51to find ways to put a stop to all this so that it doesn't affect
00:04:55us, without this necessarily being our own emotional
00:04:58resilience to all this. Because it's enough, we don't need to
00:05:02endure everything and the digital resilience
00:13:24days we had these fires which
00:13:27marked us, we have with us to open our
00:13:31political discussion, Mr. Tasos Gaitanis, from
00:13:35New Democracy and in our connection we have Mr. Nikolaos Farantouris,
00:13:39MEP of PASOK, good morning, good morning, good morning
00:13:42to you, Kefalonia, I hope the
00:13:45signal is good and the image and sound, I hear you and
00:13:49see you perfectly, good morning to you, and the image and sound are fine Mr. Farantouris,
00:13:53now Mr. Farantouris, we are a little jealous because.
00:13:55you are there in beautiful Kefalonia, we are here in Athens, well,
00:13:59our time will come, I chose, I chose to connect from the port of
00:14:02Sami, which is the port of Kefalonia, in the background is Ithaca, but not
00:14:06to make you jealous, because here is a place where I also
00:14:10gather in the mornings and work, work continues, despite the
00:14:13beautiful images you see in the background, however, proportionately speaking,
00:14:17not that Athens is better than Kefalonia, but
00:14:20it is very good in terms of traffic, so at least we who
00:14:24are. these
00:14:30days that it is a different city exactly, exactly, we realize
00:14:34how beautiful Athens is. So let's go to our discussion, however, as
00:14:37Tina said, the dominant issue these days
00:14:41is, of course, the fires and the question
00:14:44of course of all people and especially of the fire victims
00:14:48is when will they be compensated, how quickly will the
00:14:51procedures move, when will they get their money to rebuild their
00:14:55properties and their livelihoods that were lost. Mr. Ioannidis, what you are saying is very correct,
00:14:59we must look at the next day. The next day is first of all relief
00:15:02for the affected. The Prime Minister said yesterday that the procedures will be done very
00:15:06quickly with increased amounts for the affected for
00:15:10a series of measures which are evolving for
00:15:13businesses, for debtors, obviously for those whose
00:15:15homes and household appliances were destroyed.
00:15:19And of course, to what I attach great importance to are the
00:15:23measures needed to prevent. floods in the
00:15:26autumn, which will logically again bring storms, because in recent
00:15:30years the climate dictates this, the
00:15:33relief will be significant, our fellow citizens
00:15:36will not be alone in this disaster they suffered and because
00:15:40you know I hear various things in recent days, first of all, no one is
00:15:44happy when disasters and
00:15:46fires happen. The issue is what we need to do to prevent
00:15:50them. I hear a nihilistic criticism from the
00:15:53opposition which I think has nothing to do with
00:15:57reality. I say it again, anyone whose house was burned, if their house was burned,
00:16:01whatever you tell him, he doesn't hear anything
00:16:04and I understand him and obviously in his place everyone would be the same.
00:16:07We were, but steps have been taken forward in recent
00:16:10years, for example, for prevention alone, for
00:16:14anti-fire measures, 500 million euros have been given in the last
00:16:175 years, the data will be presented in detail in the
00:16:21coming days, we know where there were anti-fire measures, meaning
00:16:25grass was cut,
00:16:27meaning the forest was cleared, the environmental damage
00:16:31was much milder, we have more aerial means, we have
00:16:35more men in the...
00:16:37two, a better organization has been made and for this
00:16:41reason the destruction was not, if all
00:16:44this did not exist, it would have been much greater, no one can
00:16:48confirm this in the field, but surely the
00:16:51conditions have also changed, the climatological ones I mean, you saw that on
00:16:54some days you described the fires all day, aerial means did
00:16:58not fly and I want to give another
00:17:00dimension, for the first time on such a
00:17:03scale we hear about arrests being made for the fires.
00:17:08We see that there are arsons, we see that
00:17:11there is negligence, when for example, the conditions are
00:17:14inappropriate and you take the grinder to cut iron, which
00:17:17creates sparks, the
00:17:20sparks will go to the grass, burn it and a fire will spread, even,
00:17:24even with the network we have seen videos
00:17:28about it in northern Greece and elsewhere, all these are
00:17:31issues which make prevention
00:17:35difficult, but we must focus on prevention.
00:17:44because you understand that all areas, even
00:17:47even those that were not burned, the issue is not to see
00:17:51the areas that were not burned to drown in the
00:17:54autumn that is coming, very correctly, as I said before, the Prime Minister said that from
00:17:58September 15th all procedures should begin in the
00:18:01field to have flood protection and to do the
00:18:05anti-erosion works exactly so that this
00:18:09possibility exists and on the other hand we must look at the forest, you know
00:18:12discussions are being heard again that where
00:18:15there was a forest there will be no more, this is not true, forest
00:18:19areas that are destroyed are immediately reforested,
00:18:22there is natural reforestation that the forest itself
00:18:25achieves, there are artificial ones of course that are done by
00:18:29all agencies and by the private sector, the all together
00:18:33we can, for example, is one such action that your channel here supports with
00:18:37success. For all these years everything humanly
00:18:39possible is being done, it is only a Greek phenomenon, we unfortunately see that the
00:18:43European south, due to climate change, we saw in previous weeks what
00:18:46happened in France and Spain, the issue is we must
00:18:49invest much more in prevention, the country has made progress
00:18:52from 2019 until today in these areas, it has
00:18:56done, I think the nihilistic criticism and leveling
00:18:59that nothing has been done, citizens don't hear it, first of all, there are
00:19:03problems, of course we have done everything perfectly, no.
00:19:07You give us a very good cue to go to Mr. Farantouris, Mr.
00:19:10Farantouris, the truth is that this nihilistic
00:19:13policy leads
00:19:15nowhere.
00:19:18Let's close our eyes for a minute and let's consider whether
00:19:21as citizens, not as political personnel of the country, let's
00:19:25forget our political identities, at least those of us who
00:19:28were close to the fires, you who covered the developments journalistically,
00:19:31but also some of us who were in the fires, I was in
00:19:35Rethymno unfortunately on the day
00:19:37of the loss of the two children, I was in Kefalonia, I was in
00:19:41Attica only in the last days, at the fronts, which
00:19:44you covered journalistically, so let's close our eyes and think if the
00:19:48citizens of this country in recent years are satisfied with
00:19:52the coordinated action of the
00:19:56authorities, of the state, of the means
00:19:59they have, with thousands of acres burned,
00:20:02as many properties lost and as many human
00:20:06lives.
00:20:09So I am not satisfied and I am not saying this because
00:20:12I represent the opposition in this hospitable panel, I am saying it as a citizen
00:20:15of this country and I want to submit the proposals
00:20:19of my party with scientific adequacy
00:20:23and with national responsibility, if you like, not with
00:20:27opposition rhetoric, because that's how we will become better, so we say
00:20:31the following, the funds for forest firefighting unfortunately have not
00:20:35been effective, we have exclusions from
00:20:38critical funds from the
00:20:41Recovery Fund, which are not justified.
00:20:45We have an uneven allocation of funds in
00:20:48relation to suppression versus prevention,
00:20:5180% suppression, 20% prevention, our
00:20:55tongue has been wagging all these years to say that prevention is the
00:20:58prerequisite for dealing with a fire
00:21:02when it occurs, but only 20% goes to prevention and
00:21:0580% goes to suppression, should not this
00:21:09uneven allocation be reversed? Thirdly, we have men,
00:21:12we have personnel of three speeds, which creates
00:21:15a problem of cohesion, despite the superhuman efforts of our forest firefighters.
00:21:19The people themselves say it, we have permanent forest firefighters who
00:21:23are not enough, so new hirings are needed, there are
00:21:26seasonal forest firefighters who go home in the autumn, so they do not
00:21:30participate in prevention, in organization, in training, in
00:21:33certification, we remember them again when
00:21:36the summer season comes and we also have a third category
00:21:40of forest firefighters, volunteers, who
00:21:43selflessly rush to help, people
00:21:46next door, young children, whom we visited.
00:21:50teams, what do these people say that they have no real
00:21:53motivation, but also no real help from the state, the state does not even cover
00:21:57their travel expenses, we visited outposts in Penteli
00:22:01with colleagues from PASOK about four
00:22:04weeks ago and they told us that they even need to
00:22:08pay tolls to come from Peristeri to staff
00:22:11voluntary forest firefighting units in eastern Attica. So I say
00:22:15some things that I think the state and the
00:22:18respective government, if they took them into account, we would have a better
00:22:21response in the field, finally, the architecture of
00:22:25dealing with
00:22:28such incidents, natural disasters,
00:22:30fires and anything else, obviously caused by
00:22:34external factors or by human-induced factors, but we need to
00:22:37deal with it as a coordinated state, the forest service participates
00:22:41minimally in prevention, should not the forest service instead of
00:22:45forestry work all year round participate more actively in prevention, so what
00:22:48do we say at PASOK? We say that there is another model that
00:22:52the government should listen to with a little more
00:22:55understanding and less arrogance
00:22:58and possibly adopt, these are good practices that
00:23:02are applied in other countries, we do not
00:23:06ignore the phenomenon of the climate
00:23:09crisis which fuels all these large
00:23:13fires that we see every year, on the other hand,
00:23:16excuse me, I believe that the response in the field.
00:23:20is not the appropriate one, it is not
00:23:23satisfactory, at least what the Greek citizen would expect
00:23:26each year to be better and this is not a
00:23:30barren opposition, I want to say one last thing in a few seconds, to
00:23:33give to the gentleman to answer in a few seconds,
00:23:37you know, with a sense of national responsibility we do our duty in the
00:23:40European Parliament and an effort that had started in
00:23:432020 to harmonize
00:23:46civil protection policies across Europe and...
00:23:50indeed the rapporteur of this effort in the European Parliament was the then
00:23:53MEP and current president of PASOK, Nikos
00:23:55Androulakis, a work which we continue today, we hope
00:23:59it will come to cover gaps within the country, but the
00:24:03primary responsibility is here, with the state, with the
00:24:06government to understand what the architectural flaws of
00:24:09firefighting are, to emphasize prevention and
00:24:12finally to use the funds that are coming
00:24:16much better than it does today. The
00:24:24point is that a lot is given to suppression and less to
00:24:27prevention, let's take a look at this
00:24:30in 2019 when Mr. Farantouris was not a member of PASOK, he was a member of
00:24:34SYRIZA, we received a general secretariat of civil
00:24:38protection.
00:24:41No, wait a minute, let him answer.
00:24:45Mr. Farantouris, you were not a member of SYRIZA in 2019, I made
00:24:48a mistake, I didn't say anything else.
00:24:50Yes, you made a mistake, I entered politics in 2023 and until
00:24:54then I was not a member of any party. In
00:24:562023 you joined as a member of SYRIZA, which until
00:25:002019 governed and handed over a general secretariat of civil
00:25:03protection which had nothing, neither prevention nor
00:25:07suppression and was in an inappropriate building. So what should
00:25:11we have done then to strengthen all these
00:25:14obviously suppression, we were missing aerial means, we were missing
00:25:18112, we were missing. better organization and of course to
00:25:21strengthen prevention,
00:25:25the anti-fire measures and the 500 million mainly come from the Recovery
00:25:28Fund, the forest service participates in the planning of the anti-fire measures,
00:25:32in fact the forest service also proposes and the state has followed this, the
00:25:36clearing to be done mainly within the anti-fire period to
00:25:39compact, to put it simply, the forest during the critical and
00:25:42difficult months, there are other prevention issues,
00:25:46other measures, of course the air tractors, those who...
00:25:59region, with money that this government has allocated, cameras have been installed in the...
00:26:11has been done these years Mr. Ioannidis, so I want to say
00:26:14that I hear what Mr. Farantouris is saying, it would be useful for PASOK to tell us
00:26:18specific measures which it doesn't say
00:26:21however and I'm not saying it today for Mr. Farantouris
00:26:24generally the criticism of leveling that nothing has been done, for example we saw representatives
00:26:28of the Hellenic party go.
00:26:32to the field and say for another year the state succeeded, I say we are not
00:26:35satisfied, yes, neither houses nor areas, but on the
00:26:39other hand, if a fire starts, Mr. Farantouris says he was in Rethymno, in Rethymno the
00:26:43aerial means did not fly, 110
00:26:46km per hour the gusts of wind, in Kefalonia,
00:26:49I read, if I read wrong, I will say it wrong, that
00:26:53a fire started
00:26:56from an arsonist, someone deliberately started it, I mean
00:27:00that we need to work much more on it. and we
00:27:03citizens, for example, not to go to light a barbecue
00:27:06when there are four or five
00:27:10danger levels, you know we didn't have these in mind
00:27:13in previous years, we obviously need to we will work much more on prevention,
00:27:17but we are open as a government to listen, because you know
00:27:21these measures do not have political color and we have
00:27:24more men sir, let's have
00:27:26a discussion, let's have a single front on these
00:27:30issues, that would be it. this
00:27:32table
00:27:42because he will meet his colleagues in autumn what happened in
00:27:45France and Spain and you will see in many cases
00:27:49that Greece is better organized, I say it
00:27:52a second time, we haven't done everything perfectly, obviously there are
00:27:55issues that we need to improve on, we respond
00:27:58to infrastructure criticism and
00:28:01horizontal criticism. that nothing has happened.
00:28:03τίποτα.
00:28:06let's conclude Mr. Farantouris. A small comment. First, I congratulate you on your
00:28:10report from the previous, if I'm not
00:28:12mistaken, Tuesday, as I have the sea behind me, you finally
00:28:16talked about the Aegean and the de-Hellenization of fishing in the Aegean by
00:28:20the Turkish
00:28:23provocations of Turkish fishing vessels, things that we have highlighted in
00:28:27Brussels and we also have developments and I would gladly say it's worth it to do
00:28:31a follow up, a continuation. In your report, it's an issue we are
00:28:34following, secondly and to conclude, I will tell you
00:28:37this, it does not help, and I think this is
00:28:41the leveling factor, to compare with the
00:28:44past, but to see what better can be done in the
00:28:48present and in the future, I say this to my dear Mr. Gaitani,
00:28:51because it is a spiral the regression always to the
00:28:55past, for me the starting point is the past, Mr.
00:28:58Farantouris, we remember where we started from, if we had
00:29:01better.
00:29:09especially on the front of civil protection and firefighting, I don't think
00:29:13the vast majority of citizens are happy with
00:29:16the developments every autumn in the warm period, citizens
00:29:20know that there is great improvement Mr. Farantouris
00:29:23and they judge it with yesterday, let's wish
00:29:27a good rest and let's hope we don't have any more such
00:29:30incidents on August 15th.
00:29:32to all, be well, be well, thank you, Mr. Farantouris, Mr. Gaitani,
00:29:36thank you very much, we will get up yes, we will get up,
00:29:39we will get up, why not, we will get up then, we will get up, the question is where we will go, but, we
00:29:43will travel now, we will go a little out of bounds, we will
00:29:46go, to Sicily and to the
00:29:50island of Vulcano, where Daphne
00:29:53Grigoriadi is, because she is there in the
00:29:56places where filming for the Odyssey took place, we are also used to discussing with Daphne
00:30:00issues of the economy, issues that
00:30:04concern our pockets, but now we are in a completely different
00:30:07environment, Daphne is really there where it essentially
00:30:11took place on the island which played Ithaca,
00:30:14Daphne, good morning to you, good
00:30:17morning to you, bon jorno, just a correction to the title because I see Favignana below that
00:30:21we are not in this point, we are in the Aeolian Islands, in Vulcano,
00:30:24as you also said,
00:30:27a very important island also from a geographical
00:30:30point of view. Also because it is volcanic like
00:30:34all the islands and a very important island because here important
00:30:37scenes from the filming of the Odyssey took place,
00:30:41such as for example the scene where we saw
00:30:44Odysseus tied to the mast to hear the
00:30:47song of the sirens or the scene where
00:30:50he passes between the area
00:30:54where Scylla is, you also see behind me the relevant
00:30:57shots and this whole film is a very good
00:31:00opportunity to also... promote Greek culture
00:31:04of course but also