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00:00:00and now they get the cheapest price, so it's a bit, up,
00:00:03sorry, down the price compared to last year, yes, a friend from the village was telling me
00:00:07that even though they had pruned the olive trees, even the
00:00:11branches that were left were full of fruit, meaning this year there is a lot of
00:00:14good, there are many producers who have kept
00:00:18last year's crop, believing that at some point prices will be better
00:00:21and they will sell it then, now let's see, ladies and
00:00:24gentlemen, and the payments earlier due to March
00:00:2825th,
00:00:53that are paid in advance, as always, the
00:00:56be paid before the holiday of
00:01:07fund and the payments will be on Monday, October
00:01:1026th, but the money will be available at ATMs from Friday, October
00:01:36and public is the next card, we see the old one, these will
00:01:40be paid on Thursday, October 29th and the money will be visible at
00:01:44ATMs already from the 27th of October in the afternoon, go from
00:01:475 pm onwards to be sure the money is deposited, don't suffer in vain.
00:01:51As for the payments of the OPECA benefits, these will be made
00:01:54on Friday, October 30th, among others we are talking about housing benefit,
00:01:58minimum guaranteed income. But
00:02:02not child benefit because it is a bimonthly installment and the next
00:04:32way, has more than 180,000 Greeks,
00:04:35people who declare Greek origin, so
00:04:38you're talking about a Greek city. When we first met Papastrigiadis,
00:04:42Vasilis, it was the memoranda, amazing. I was
00:04:45there, it hadn't even happened yet, imagine, we started him coming.
00:04:49You might remember, Giannis, that you used to come to us very often. We made
00:04:53connections about the unemployment rate in Melbourne, and
00:04:57then many young Greeks were leaving, it was on the phone. Because he was president of the diaspora and
00:05:01they were asking for jobs, and Greeks were leaving during the memoranda, so they were going
00:05:04to Australia, where Australia had 3-4% unemployment and we here
00:05:08were at the top, thankfully it has
00:11:27Sky 10.3.5.5,
00:14:49October 11th. The first ten days of October are over with pretty good
00:14:52temperatures. The weather has deteriorated a bit now. There are rains,
00:14:56mainly in the west, it has started from Corfu, it's going down to
00:14:59Kefalonia and probably in the afternoon we'll have some light rains here in Athens, dear
00:15:03Nikos. It's needed, we need water, the earth needs to be watered.
00:15:07You want changes in the seasons, because anything
00:15:10else is boring and alarming. As long as the temperature
00:15:13is good, we don't need much
00:15:39Mariana Pyrioti. We've lost touch, it's been a while since we talked. Good morning, Mariana, how
00:15:43are you? Good morning, good morning to everyone in the group. I'm doing
00:15:47a precautionary, precautionary quarantine, because
00:15:50the viruses have spread after all, so
00:15:52yes, COVID is also spreading now,
00:15:56right. COVID, as Mazanis told us,
00:15:59the flu, this year the flu starts earlier and he told us that the vaccine
00:16:03has been opened, all groups, young and old.
00:16:20Trump decision to reconcile with Putin and to have
00:16:24Russian oil barrels fall in America to lower the
00:16:27price. We'll see if it happens, if it will affect us too, it will affect Europe,
00:16:31will we see better prices? What do you say?
00:16:34Look, the laws of the market say so. It will drop
00:16:384 million 700,000
00:16:41million
00:16:43tons into the market in an agreement between Trump and
00:16:47Putin. When a product enters the market,
00:16:51the laws say that the price will drop. Some
00:16:54more informed than us came out and said
00:16:58that prices will not drop. We are waiting for this and we will
00:17:01see it. It is already starting, he says, with 500,000
00:17:05tons immediately for. This concerns Europe
00:17:09and cannot but concern Europe, this fuel cannot but come to Europe,
00:17:12but since it is coming to the market, it
00:17:16will not be missing from anywhere else, there will be a surplus in Europe,
00:17:20most likely prices will fall, this is what
00:17:23we are waiting for and we will see it, because as I told you, let's see it, because like you, I also read
00:17:27yesterday some analysts who say that they don't expect it, they don't see it,
00:17:31these are very small quantities, I was watching a Bloomberg analyst say that these
00:17:35quantities correspond to two of the
00:17:38American consumption, so it's something very
00:17:40small. No, the 4 million
00:17:44700,000 tons, the first
00:17:47dose of 500,000 tons,
00:17:51this is for American consumption, but in any
00:17:54case, we'll see, will
00:17:57Zelensky go and hit another Russian
00:17:59refinery, and eventually, will the
00:18:03oil supply decrease internationally? We don't
00:18:05know.
00:18:07Europe, with its political decisions and the decisions it has made, says
00:18:11that it will not take this oil, so
00:18:14we are waiting for the reaction of the Commission and
00:18:17London. They don't agree, however, it's time
00:18:20for absolute absurdities to
00:18:23end. Yes, let's see, because here, yes, no
00:18:27Greek can accept revisionist logics and
00:18:31Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
00:18:33But on the other hand, because it's a game of the big players,
00:18:38for a long time, it's good for Europe to re-evaluate its stance, and we see
00:18:42European societies, and the far-right cannot, what do
00:18:45you mean, reconcile with Putin? This means a dialogue with
00:18:49Russia must begin. They say here to increase sanctions against
00:18:51individuals.
00:18:57The US says something else, so the balance has been
00:18:59disrupted.
00:19:01If you'll allow me, Mrs. Mavragani, which Europe said reduce
00:19:05consumption? The solution.
00:19:07prices,
00:19:15to do something else, to produce
00:19:18energy in some other way, to find some
00:19:21other energy sources, because
00:19:24essentially, when one,
00:19:26when it's
00:19:29consumption,
00:19:32now, but when, when as Europe you don't have
00:19:36the fossil fuels and you depend on someone else,
00:19:40it has transactional and renewable energy sources, but
00:19:43there, in any case, the American LNG,
00:19:47it's three times more expensive and four times, at this moment it's not enough, we see it with
00:19:50the vertical corridor, 1/3 is filled, and we have what
00:19:53we have, and I also see politicians who are returning to lignite and saying that for a period it
00:19:57could be the solution, in any case, Mr. Kiousis, let's see what happens from
00:20:01Wednesday, we expect the government's announcements about the subsidy for
00:20:04oil, how much more expensive is it expected to be compared
00:20:08to last year? What do you estimate, what do you see? Look, a
00:20:12week ago, because the price is very volatile
00:20:16and changes daily, a week ago
00:20:19we were saying that if heating oil sales started then without
00:20:23any subsidy, it would start at 2€.
00:20:26Today as we speak, again with the same scenario, if
00:20:30it started today without any subsidy, it would start at
00:20:331.90. The Prime Minister committed two
00:20:37weeks ago and said that heating oil would start below
00:20:401.75. At that time, the starting price was
00:20:43two. So, if we do this
00:20:47addition and subtraction at the same time, with
00:20:51today's data, we are talking about 1.65. Since the
00:20:55starting price has dropped by 10 cents, the Prime Minister
00:20:58spoke below 1.75. Let's make a hypothetical
00:21:02scenario of 1.65.
00:21:04For this to happen, wasn't it around there when
00:21:08it closed last year? It closed at 1.75,
00:21:11it started at 1.10, it started at 1.10 and closed
00:21:14at 1.75. Of course, let's remember
00:21:17that in March and April 30, the sale of
00:21:21heating oil stops. No one bought any, literally
00:21:24no one. No customer approached
00:21:28you, literally all over Greece. So all the tanks are
00:21:31empty, all of them all over Greece, from Evros to
00:21:35Gavdos, they are empty. This is the only sure thing,
00:21:38because we had a tremendous drop in heating oil
00:21:42consumption in March and April, and we also had
00:21:45a tremendous decrease in revenue from the special
00:21:48consumption tax. This
00:21:54will again
00:21:58have heating oil at a very expensive starting price.
00:22:02When the starting price is
00:22:051.90 and
00:22:08whatever interventions are made, a combination of interventions and let's take a
00:22:11hypothetical scenario that this intervention will
00:22:15be the elimination of the special consumption tax
00:22:18along with its VAT, this is 35 cents, so
00:22:221.90 - 35 cents
00:22:25(1.55), and
00:22:29to zero it out, to zero it out. So
00:22:31you understand that cheap, cheap, as
00:22:35we consider it, 1.10 which started last year, this is a scenario
00:22:39that is impossible to happen, it cannot happen. And the
00:22:42second, because I see it, yes, yes, please, there will also be
00:22:46an increase in the beneficiaries of the subsidy.
00:22:50Depending on the geographical criteria, it's from
00:22:53€100 in southern Greece, let's say in
00:22:57Attica, a family gets €100 subsidy up to
00:23:00800 in Northern Greece and in some
00:23:04mountainous areas and in some very rare cases it's
00:23:071,200, this, they say
00:23:10that this subsidy to beneficiaries will
00:23:14increase by 20%, the beneficiaries will not change and it will
00:23:18increase by 20%. That's what they say, a significant
00:23:21intervention, we are waiting, we will hear all this on Wednesday, because
00:23:25we also see it in our title, steadily above 2€ for gasoline and diesel, two
00:23:29and, this continues, do you not see any differentiation downwards,
00:23:322.20 gasoline steadily, this
00:23:36week we saw diesel drop a little
00:23:39and it's 2.13 average price in
00:23:43Greece, but the two, let me
00:23:46say it like this to lighten the mood a little, we have married it. This is how the
00:23:50situation looks,
00:23:51unfortunately
00:23:55it's also problematic the euro-dollar exchange rate
00:23:58because we have to take everything into account, yes
00:24:14article, who the government aims to bring back from the 23rd voters. The findings in two internal
00:24:18surveys and focus groups. The thing is that in all the
00:24:22surveys I see, accuracy is the first problem and I don't know, do you
00:24:25think the government can bring back the 23rd voters somehow?
00:24:29I suppose that
00:24:32it expects some normalization, if this
00:24:36normalization comes in a gradual
00:24:40way, of course, this doesn't happen suddenly, it can't happen overnight,
00:24:43until the elections, which in this case it will
00:24:46try to prolong as much as possible...
00:24:50close to summer, to put it that way, whatever leeway it has, it will
00:24:53exhaust it, if we are heading towards any
00:24:56form of normalization of accuracy, because for
00:25:00example, it will be resolved or we will enter
00:25:02a phase of normalization of the
00:25:05Russian-Ukrainian conflict or we will enter a phase of normalization
00:25:09of the problem in the Gulf, in this
00:25:12case, I don't know what impact this would have on the
00:25:16voters of New Democracy in 23, but it would have a big impact.
00:25:20or it would have some impact on the general atmosphere which
00:25:23at this moment before winter
00:25:26is a bleak atmosphere economically, even
00:25:30those who don't have at the moment
00:25:34any immediate or specific
00:25:37liquidity problem in their households,
00:25:41even the most unemployed, are affected, you know, it's not
00:25:44only the one who can't make ends meet, it's also
00:25:48the one who barely makes ends meet.
00:25:50But it's also the one who doesn't barely make ends meet, who has a relative
00:25:53comfort, but is held back and also
00:25:57develops a negative psychology, feeling
00:26:00that things are not going well.
00:26:03This is independent of his objective economic
00:26:07capability. What happened Spiro, the other day with the interview here on Ari
00:26:11Protosalte of the Prime Minister, the 25% that we heard for the first time,
00:26:14how do you interpret this benchmark, how do you explain it, why did he
00:26:18set it, what did he want to say and what messages did the Prime Minister want to send and to whom, and if
00:26:21it is related to all this economic
00:26:24pressure that is coming in winter, yes, with
00:26:28what Mariana was saying very correctly, "I can't make it" is the
00:26:31phrase. Yes, and everyone has a different level, I can't
00:26:35make it, but when you hear "I can't make it" from someone who has
00:26:39more income, it means something for that, obviously, yes, because everyone's
00:26:42obligations are different and the one who has more has different ones.
00:26:46obligations, small and medium-sized entrepreneurs, "I can't make it"
00:26:49is a big statement for them, and he didn't
00:26:52give them much at the TIF, so it was the traditional audience of New
00:26:56Democracy, Kyriakos didn't
00:26:59give that much.
00:27:0225%. Acknowledgment that there is difficulty is the first time the Prime Minister recognizes
00:27:05that we are not galloping in
00:27:08beautiful meadows, that it can fall so low.
00:27:11I don't know, he's afraid of it, and on the other hand,
00:27:15it's a blackmail to his own people and a political environment
00:27:18of his own, telling them that they need to
00:27:21mobilize, and that the
00:27:24security of our government
00:27:27is at stake if we don't do something. So it has both
00:27:31these readings for me. For the first time, not only to the
00:27:34dauphins, I say also to a wider audience and
00:27:38to center-right voters that if
00:27:40stability is endangered, because the Prime Minister,
00:27:44his biggest weapon which continues is stability, that I am an exponent
00:27:48of stability, all all these things, however, fall within
00:27:51the obvious, right? That is, from a certain point onwards, that is
00:27:55for stability to exist, right? I think we
00:27:59all recognize that, as well as for a party, for a formation.
00:28:02whoever that may be, that there must be a rallying, right? I mean,
00:28:06it doesn't say anything new, something I hear from
00:28:09analysts who deal with New Democracy, that is, they work
00:28:13communicatively and electorally for New Democracy, what does stability mean
00:28:17when someone says I can't make it and I lose 5 minutes,
00:28:215 minutes, 5 minutes and I'm going down and I don't see
00:28:24a horizon, this stability, because it suits me, when
00:28:28someone collects a lot of money, but more and more of us don't collect, this
00:28:32stability.
00:28:41He wants to achieve the alertness of developments,
00:28:45that is, to win over the center-right voters
00:28:48with the idea that I can, despite the difficulties, ensure the
00:28:52continuation of the course. What do you say, is this 25 in
00:28:55some way a form of pressure on the people we were talking about earlier?
00:28:59Of course, but it is also an objective thing.
00:29:10The one which means that if a leading party does not succeed, it does
00:29:14not have the bonus, we automatically
00:29:17go almost to simple proportional representation, with all that this means for
00:29:20the formation of a government. From 25 and above there is a
00:29:24bonus, of course, it is progressive, it is not a direct
00:29:27bonus. So he objectively set the
00:29:31bar there for New Democracy, but mainly for
00:29:34himself, right? Because he was asked about these issues.
00:29:37Now, look, Mr. Mitsotakis is seeking a third
00:29:41four-year term. Third four-year terms,
00:29:43historically, are the most difficult political gamble that any
00:29:47party or political leader
00:29:50can have. Take it as you like.
00:29:53Of course, Spyros is right when he says that Mr. Mitsotakis's biggest weapon
00:29:57are his opponents, that there is no
00:30:01alternative, that is. alternative governing
00:30:05party ready as it was in
00:30:08almost all of its entire this essentially this
00:30:12wear and tear of the two four-year terms
00:30:15if there was some other some other formation I imagine
00:30:19the wear and tear would be greater, the fact that there isn't they are giving a gift to Mr. Mitsotakis right
00:30:22now, there isn't and not only isn't there but
00:30:26we see that this derby between
00:30:29Greece and PASOK
00:30:31creates even bigger problems. Now what does Mr. Mitsotakis do? Mr.
00:30:35Mitsotakis, in my opinion, correctly, as things
00:30:38stand, as things stand, not strategically correct
00:30:42in the long run, but as things stand,
00:30:46correctly, he doesn't try to gather back
00:30:49his right-wing supporters and
00:30:53he looks to the center, which is much
00:30:56more loyal to this New Democracy.