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00:02:50Here with us is Konstantinos Filis, good morning Mr. Filis, welcome.
00:02:52General Yiannis is with us, honorary Chief of Staff,
00:02:56good morning, General, good week, Manolis always stays close.
00:03:55report,
00:03:57the Turks in the last few days have been using the
00:04:01terminology coordination and
00:04:03consultation with the flag state, indeed.
00:04:06We are going to cable this to Mr.
00:04:10Filis. Indeed, it's a matter of time now
00:04:13for the work to be done. Konstantine, what do you say? Technically
00:04:17we are ready, yes, because a procedure had
00:04:21to precede, which is not easy, to say in relation to something that
00:04:25Manolis mentioned earlier in the
00:04:28various scenarios. that at this moment we
00:04:31are talking about, a scenario of flag change does
00:04:35not exist, so we are talking about a French ship, we are talking about France,
00:04:38we are talking about a French ship at this moment we are talking about, but I also hear
00:04:42Manolis's report, because we know that it is always valid, I am just saying that today
00:04:46as we speak there is no such intention, the ship will be normally French that will
00:04:50be launched, the flag French, the
00:04:53crew also will I don't know if it will be accompanied by
00:04:56one, I didn't say that but it can arrive if there are.
00:05:12As we speak today, the case of changing the ship's flag does
00:05:16not exist. Now, beyond that, we have entered a final stretch.
00:05:19The final stretch could be a few
00:05:23weeks, it could be a month, no one knows. This is also a process
00:05:27that needs to be followed by the company
00:05:30and by the French government. I understand that
00:05:34France is the one that
00:05:37will request the permit, but the company is the one that
00:05:41might... make the famous communiqué, the information
00:05:44to all directions. There,
00:05:48everyone gives their own interpretation as they see fit and as it
00:05:51benefits them. Turkey can say that the communiqué, the
00:05:54information, is not enough for me, or it can say,
00:05:58I am being informed as a coastal state and I am issuing
00:06:01Navtex, where Greece will be obliged to issue an anti-Navtex. It is a
00:06:05process that could be
00:06:07followed where all parties would be roughly
00:06:11satisfied. My assessment is that one way or
00:06:14another, the formula will be found, and what I can
00:06:18tell you is that even if Turkey remains dissatisfied, the cable will
00:06:22proceed, it cannot not proceed, and let me say something else,
00:06:25why do you say that so categorically? I say that categorically for two reasons:
00:06:29first, because both the Greek and French sides are determined to
00:06:32proceed. Second, and most importantly, I want us to understand and
00:06:36to say it one more time to our viewers, it is an issue, I won't
00:06:39say exactly about a shadow of an ass, but you know. If we reach the
00:06:43point of being in a confrontation, let's leave aside NATO
00:06:47allies, these are theoretical schemes, in practice they don't apply,
00:06:50for not even the laying of the cable at this stage, but for
00:06:53bathymetric surveys in an area that is, in a large part, delimited,
00:06:57because in another part it is delimited with the
00:07:00Greek-Egyptian agreement and according to Turkey with the Turkish-Libyan
00:07:04memorandum. So, to reach this point, something is not going
00:07:08well, because there are seven cables that pass today
00:07:11through the area. Not just cables, there are
00:07:14telecommunications cables, mostly, and nothing has happened. There are
00:07:17hundreds of cables, you'll tell me that in oceans it works differently,
00:07:21the law of the sea works differently, but also in oceans where cables have been laid,
00:07:25it's not necessary for them to
00:07:28pass through delimited areas.
00:07:32Obviously, and Turkey is doing it, Dimitris and Yianni
00:07:35and Manolis, for a very specific reason, because
00:07:39it wants to be preeminent itself.
00:07:51The permission from me, and for this, for which no permission is even required, no, how can I say it,
00:07:55I can't define it
00:07:58differently, then a role and a position in the
00:08:01region are recognized for me, a role and a position
00:08:05in the region that comes to crown the perception, the
00:08:08doctrine of the Blue Homeland, and pay attention to the doctrine of the Blue Homeland.
00:08:13Because I was in Turkey in the previous days and had some serious
00:08:17discussions, it has now been included in school textbooks, yes, of course,
00:08:20meaning it is in school textbooks, children in
00:08:24Turkey who at some point will become diplomats, others
00:08:27will be businessmen, some will be journalists, politicians and so on,
00:08:31learn, adopt the
00:08:33perception of this doctrine, it is no longer something
00:08:36theoretical, it is a scheme that has entered the hearts and
00:08:40minds of the general, what do you want to say?
00:08:44I wanted to say that the essence of the problem is this
00:08:48suspicion that exists, which Mr. Filis expressed and he is
00:08:51right. On the Turkish side, what we have heard and they
00:08:55tell us is that maybe the Greeks don't want to just lay the cable,
00:08:59they want to challenge our positions
00:09:01and impose their own positions, so the essence of the problem is not the
00:09:05cable, it is the positions of the two countries where one does not
00:09:09trust the other and doubts its positions,
00:09:12I think. There lies the whole secret, and let me say before the general that
00:09:15the laying of the cable, rather the surveys, the bathymetric ones, are about to begin,
00:09:19they do not affect the continental shelf in any way,
00:09:22indeed, indeed, come general, I would like to ask a
00:09:25question, if it can be answered, who
00:09:29in the Turkish government is the official body
00:09:32for managing international
00:09:33law?
00:09:38The Minister of Foreign Affairs, the Minister
00:09:40of Foreign Affairs, but we constantly hear all the announcements
00:09:44for cooperation for permits come from the Ministry of Defense. From
00:09:48where does the Ministry of Defense get the authority and demands
00:09:52all these things and makes announcements? This is a
00:09:54question. It's a question, you are right about that, because the Ministry of Foreign Affairs talks about
00:09:58coordination and consultation, the Ministry of
00:10:02Defense talks about permission, there is a differentiation there, the Ministry of
00:10:05Defense responds in the event that
00:10:08it proceeds with the
00:10:11start of the surveys, and
00:10:14there it wants to get involved, meaning, as
00:10:18there was an involvement a few years ago off the coast of Kasos,
00:10:21we will see, but we are not at that stage, you asked me.
00:10:25So from Turkey we hear multiple languages, some from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, others
00:10:29from the Ministry of Defense, and in the end Erdogan comes
00:10:32in, their role now and there it's not yes they play roles, the
00:10:36good guy and the bad guy in this whole process and
00:10:40this is what they want to create, as Mr. Filis said, they want to create a
00:10:43precedent that we are a hegemonic power for
00:10:47anything and even for the slightest thing for which freedom of
00:10:50the seas and all the related things that exist are not required, let's not
00:10:54analyze them. All this, we want to have
00:10:57a say. This is not something new, so, to keep it in
00:11:00mind. For 10 years Erdogan and the previous
00:11:04Foreign Minister, Cavusoglu, used to say that nothing can
00:11:07be done in the Eastern Mediterranean without getting permission, without
00:11:11getting the approval and permission of Turkey. So what is Turkey
00:11:15trying to do through all this? To establish a
00:11:18policy, to create faits accomplis, as it is attempting
00:11:22to create faits accomplis now in Cyprus. What does it
00:11:25do when it wants to build the natural gas pipeline? It goes to the
00:11:29eastern part of the
00:11:31Cypriot Republic
00:11:34against the Greek Cypriot, let's say
00:11:37in quotes, part where it also has claims and projects
00:11:41them to the southern part, south of Cyprus, and says, I will conduct
00:11:45surveys here because it is my EEZ and I have signed with the, in
00:11:48quotes, Turkish Cypriot Republic,
00:11:52what it calls the Northern Cyprus, what we call the... So,
00:11:56what is Turkey doing? It has a policy
00:11:59of creating faits accomplis. Here, then,
00:12:02there must be a reaction in the
00:12:05sense that we must be ready for anything that happens.
00:12:09What happened in 2024 in Kasos? We were
00:12:13unprepared, indeed, we were caught off guard as to
00:12:16what we should do. There were many options, from
00:12:20sending ships and planes to many others. Do you believe we can reach
00:12:24the same point again? Of course, we can at any moment. That is, if the Turks
00:12:27show up with five ships in Kasos again, what will we do? Will we
00:12:31just watch them? I thought we couldn't just watch them
00:12:34anymore, because here broader issues of
00:12:37the country's credibility are at stake, but also the freedom of
00:12:41applying international law. We showed an image before, Manolis
00:12:44that is, a photograph from a meeting of Greeks and Turks in
00:12:48Crete for confidence-building measures. Perhaps now
00:12:51we will resolve things in a different way, so we don't reach
00:12:55what you are saying. I agree, I am not saying that we should go there,
00:12:59I am saying if the Turks arrive, because as you know, the initiative is with the Turks,
00:13:03we didn't send ships, we didn't send warships, we didn't send
00:13:06planes. If they show up again with ships and planes, we cannot
00:13:09remain inactive, we cannot remain
00:13:12again in the savoir-vivre of international
00:13:16law, and most importantly, we must understand that
00:13:20Turkey perceives in the general
00:13:23field of
00:13:27relations, the role of power, diplomatic and
00:13:30political discourse has no place in Turkey. Turkey
00:13:34supports its diplomatic and political
00:13:37aspirations simultaneously
00:13:50around Kasos, the surveys have been completed, so they are about to
00:13:54begin
00:13:59towards Cyprus. That's one thing. The second is that it's not easy for
00:14:03a country to support, Turkey might not
00:14:06care, I'll accept that, to support
00:14:09internationally that it is impeding
00:14:12seabed surveys in an area that is
00:14:15undemarcated. Yes, let's keep that in
00:14:18mind too. Thirdly, because the issue has received a lot of publicity,
00:14:22we understand that both sides find it difficult
00:14:30to take actions that could bring the agreement closer, right? And I want to ask Manolis, Manolis,
00:14:33regarding the bill, because we heard that it would come to Parliament
00:14:37in early October, I am referring to the Blue
00:14:40Homeland bill in the Turkish National Assembly, do you have any idea when
00:14:44this will finally happen? Because we had given the information here a
00:14:48long time ago that even if it came in October, the
00:14:52Turks might delay it.
00:14:55and postpone its completion and voting for early
00:14:582027. Do you have any information about this? So
00:15:02far, the bill has not appeared in parliament,
00:15:05that's what we know. So,
00:15:08we are proceeding, days are passing, that's what we would say. Beyond that, when
00:15:12it can be implemented and voted on, we don't know,
00:15:15because the procedures take time for the committees, but as
00:15:19you know, in Turkey, a
00:15:21committee can convene with an order in one.
00:15:37the price of oil and gasoline, wait, let me catch up, what's happening here? We said yesterday on the news with
00:15:40Christina Vidou, because she
00:15:44asked me, my reaction was and remains the same, that I don't know,
00:15:48I tell her, if there is an agreement, I don't know if both
00:15:52sides have agreed, or if it is also an attempt by Trump to
00:15:55overshadow the Nobel Peace Prize, the Nobel Peace Prize, which was given on
00:15:59Friday again to someone else and to influence this. Do you believe that and
00:16:03he is supposedly ending a war? And here let me say something very quickly. Firstly,
00:16:06the Nobel to someone where Trump thinks he should have
00:16:10gotten it anyway, firstly. Secondly, he has made the statement that I have
00:16:14solved eight wars and yet I didn't get the Nobel.
00:16:17Thirdly, it gives a sense domestically in the United States that
00:16:21I can solve problems, and he needs this to boost
00:16:24a bit the morale of Americans, but mainly his own prestige and
00:16:28profile because elections are approaching. Here, no one had any idea among those involved about
00:16:31it. Obviously. Fourthly, fourthly, he would very much like this to happen. Fifthly, we must
00:16:35publicly tries to preempt
00:16:37developments without having defined them,
00:16:41meaning there is no agreement and he thinks that since I go out and
00:16:45say there is an agreement and I even hold both
00:16:48responsible equally to uphold it, somehow
00:16:51at the end of the day, however, because as we were saying during the
00:16:55break, it's not just that,
00:16:58because as we were saying during the break, Trump is no longer at the peak
00:17:02of his power but is on a downward trajectory, they don't seem to
00:17:13indirect continuation to this with the issue of fuel
00:17:16prices here in Greece. We see Mr. Papageorgiou already with our colleague
00:17:20Stivika. Good morning cheap Russian oil
00:17:24is coming, it's already coming,
00:17:32formed today. 2193 for unleaded, 207 for diesel
00:17:36fuel, it has dropped.
00:18:07Good morning, look, the reduction in the price
00:18:11of diesel fuel will continue, and this is a result of the high
00:18:15subsidy that the product itself has in its price,
00:18:18that is, correct, correct, correct, 20 cents, and the
00:18:225 cents that were given extra, in addition, from
00:18:26the beginning of October, were visible at the pumps of gas stations, in
00:18:29combination with the drop in stabilization, I would rather say,
00:18:32in the price of Brent oil. Indeed, this
00:18:36then gave a breather to the market. We are approaching €2 if
00:18:40this stable situation continues as it is, because Mr.
00:18:43Putin's statements obviously did not help
00:18:46de-escalate prices. The market estimates that
00:18:50the quantities are rather small, those that have been agreed upon to
00:18:53be given to Europe, so
00:18:56we see refinery prices remaining at the same
00:18:59levels in our country,
00:19:01this
00:19:04that Trump was saying, or rather Michalis was saying earlier, that
00:19:07they don't even cover America's needs, well, for a few days only, yes, for a few
00:19:11days.
00:19:13However, the market kept to a good psychological level, this was evident from
00:19:17the price because there was an increase last week, we had seen it approach
00:19:21105-105.5 per barrel, fortunately
00:19:25prices were held back, they remain at levels close to 100,
00:19:28meaning for Greece, for Greek consumers, that we will see
00:19:32stabilized prices for gasoline, slightly
00:19:35reduced, and for diesel fuel. A big de-escalation, that is,
00:19:39there are three events which, heating, we are waiting for the
00:19:42announcements from the Ministry of Finance,
00:19:46to see what the subsidy will be, it sounds like it will be quite large,
00:19:50which means for heating oil, with today's
00:19:53conditions, below 160, that is, how much would heating oil be this morning if
00:19:57we had today's price, one,
00:20:01over 1.90, 1.90 to 1.95, what
00:20:04do you say, and in the lower.
00:20:10Yes, yes, yes, yes, so we are talking about a subsidy that will be around 30 cents,
00:20:13it will obviously be a subsidy in collaboration with the Greek, with the two large
00:20:16groups, plus, plus the subsidy we will now have for
00:20:20border areas, that is, the heating allowance, this
00:20:24will be a great relief at least for these people, right Mr.
00:20:27Papageorgiou? There are, clearly, there are three
00:20:31facts that are worth people knowing about, which
00:20:35are happening in our country. One is that
00:20:37there is no direct correlation between the price of Brent crude oil and the
00:20:41prices of refinery products. The second is that the Greek market
00:20:44operates within the framework of healthy competition after the
00:20:47latest checks carried out by the ministry. have closed which
00:20:51were
00:20:53illegal, this brought health to our market, meaning we are looking
00:20:57for controls to continue to keep prices in check, it is for the benefit of
00:21:01consumers, and the third factor is that the
00:21:04subsidy which is being given seems to
00:21:07be quite strong to keep
00:21:27little restraint in the market, Nikos, we are waiting to see what will happen with heating
00:21:31oil, from what we heard from Mr. Papageorgiou, things are optimistic,
00:21:34of course the price will not be where we were last year, because
00:21:38some people are making a wrong comparison, they remember what
00:21:41we bought last year at the beginning, 1.10, that doesn't exist, okay, it
00:21:44doesn't exist, that happened for a period there at the beginning last year, that
00:21:48disappeared later on.
00:21:5130 30 cents subsidy, a big subsidy is a
00:21:55big deal and this will also increase the amount for the regions, especially in
00:21:59northern Greece, of course. Let's go Nikos then.
00:22:02There are three things about heating oil and the announcements on Wednesday,
00:22:06I think that the field is slowly taking shape. This
00:22:09week, at the beginning of the week, we see the prices, we don't
00:22:13see significant price reductions at an
00:22:15international level, so the trend doesn't change. The
00:22:19decision at a governmental level is for the subsidy to be extremely
00:22:22large, which means that the mild
00:22:26scenario of 20-25 cents, which
00:22:29would have reached close to 1.70, seems to have the
00:22:32lowest probabilities. We will probably go for the
00:22:36basic scenarios of 45 or even
00:22:3955 cents. If we reach there, always with the refineries, if
00:22:42we reach there, we are talking about prices close to 1.50, 1.40.
00:22:46A big number, a very big number, I say this because if we sit down and...
00:22:57the consumption, how many million liters we consume per month, it comes out to an amount, I would say, which is I imagine close to the possibilities, close to 30-40
00:23:01million per month. We don't know of course what the
00:23:05strategy will be, because if the economic staff bets
00:23:08that this thing will last until the end of the
00:23:12period, then they might want to save
00:23:14strength. If there is an assessment that it is for one
00:23:18or two or at most three months, then we might
00:23:22see the large amount, the large subsidy, that is, to
00:23:25come out strong and aggressively. So, if we see a large
00:23:28subsidy, we will understand that the assessment is that the period of
00:23:32danger will be shorter, right?
00:23:35Exactly, exactly, exactly, exactly, exactly, because the money will
00:23:39cost approximately, as I see it and calculate it based on
00:23:42consumption, it's close to 30 to 40 million euros
00:23:46per month, it's not small, but I would say
00:23:49that it is manageable, in what sense? In
00:23:53the sense that what the Prime Minister said in his
00:23:56letter to Mrs. von der Leyen is that there are
00:23:59revenues more than normal from the VAT that the
00:24:03state already collects from the sale of more expensive
00:24:07fuels, but of course there are many questions, very, very many
00:24:10questions, in what sense questions? For example, we don't know
00:24:14exactly, first of all, Trump's announcements
00:24:17come and say what? They come and say that
00:24:21Russia suddenly, even though more than half of its
00:24:24refineries have been hit, will find quantities to
00:24:28export more than it could and was exporting
00:24:31before the war and in the normal
00:24:35period, before they were hit. I don't know, it's Trump's
00:24:39mathematics. The other question is, he doesn't even believe himself
00:24:42anymore, it's not possible, what he says is erratic.
00:24:45The other question is how is it possible that while there are
00:24:49shortages, we see reports with
00:24:51difficulty from Russia, shortages at
00:24:55their own gas stations, to export such large quantities that
00:24:58President Trump would be satisfied
00:25:02and these quantities would affect to a decisive
00:25:06degree. Roughly speaking, every
00:25:08day 30 million barrels of refined
00:25:12diesel are traded globally. Trump's
00:25:15prediction, which Russia has never reached in recent years, is that
00:25:18it will be 2.2 million
00:25:21barrels of Russian oil that will drop and now are not in the market.
00:25:25Let's remember that it was close to 1.5 million barrels
00:25:28before the crisis. Yes, yes, of course,
00:25:32these are a bit difficult mathematics to work out. What
00:25:36I would say is more realistic is that large quantities are coming out
00:25:39now from the Middle East, very large quantities close to
00:25:43pre-war levels are passing normally with exactly with
00:25:47a question mark about what has been happening in the last two days in Saudi Arabia. And the other thing
00:25:50that I see today in all international media is that all
00:25:54the big oil companies, the large oil companies have gone next to Iran, to
00:25:57Iraq, and they see many possibilities for large
00:26:01quantities to come out. In the market, this is good, eh,
00:26:04in the past, we also got quantities
00:26:12to complete, let's see our car, the Renault Austral, what
00:26:15you see here, therefore, 150 horses, a solution now for what
00:26:19we are discussing exists, we are not discussing whether you will take a hybrid or electric car now, okay, a little bit
00:26:22of the loss, a little bit of the cost,
00:26:251494, I have written down your full name, phone number, send SMSsky and
00:26:29full name to 19%. Let's go to a break, we'll be back with our politics.
00:30:57injectable drugs, I used to not be able to sit like this, I still
00:31:01have it of course and I need to. Because this is the worst fat,
00:31:04the abdominal fat.