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00:00:00contracts, concerts, songs,
00:00:02agreements and what it means beyond the fact that
00:00:06Karvelas kicked out the Hades inspectors,
00:00:09they finally sent it to him electronically of course, it happened normally, so
00:00:13VIV what is Hades looking for now that we're talking,
00:00:16Hades is sweeping everything Maria and Ari, after the
00:00:19latest developments, let me tell you that she also went to Nikos Karvelas' house for
00:00:23possible tax outstanding issues from four previous years, amounting to
00:00:27850.
00:00:30in the coming days they have a deadline of 20 days, according to sources, Mr. Karvelas will
00:00:33provide, with his accountant, all the
00:00:37necessary documents and will give explanations, as the
00:00:41sources say, he is available for any financial audit, at the same time, let me
00:00:45tell you that they are also investigating from the side of the lady, from the beginning, as
00:00:49we said, the invoices of the production companies, the
00:00:52revenues, the tickets, how many tickets were sold, how many tickets
00:00:56were issued, because we also had complaints, as we saw in the...
00:01:00for oversold tickets, they are also checking
00:01:03the bank transactions of all involved
00:01:06persons, exactly for the case, for the concerts however
00:01:10of previous years both here in Greece and in Kalimarmaro, but
00:01:14also abroad, there are sweeping checks and as for the bank
00:01:17transactions of the involved persons, they are checking if
00:01:20their actual incomes match what they have declared to the
00:01:24tax office.
00:01:30in the concerts and the two or three in
00:01:32Kalimarmaro and this one in Athens, now we
00:01:36hear that there are things that need to be
00:01:39investigated without prejudging what will emerge, in any case
00:01:43I would add the following that they are now
00:01:46investigating at least the previous ones after
00:01:48the fact, they should have, if it was, no one approached before,
00:01:52yes, at the time they should have looked for whatever needed
00:01:55to be looked for, I imagine not only at these concerts of Mrs. Vissy, but at
00:01:59all of them. concerts, if we're going to look into it, we're looking into it,
00:02:03but not because two people are fighting among themselves, now suddenly
00:02:06Hades comes, the system doesn't work like that, exactly,
00:02:10here for all the rest except the Olympic
00:02:14stadium, the inspection is delayed, we would have learned about
00:02:17escaped if this hadn't erupted publicly, I'm afraid not, with
00:02:21announcements, tell me Vivi,
00:02:24what we need to emphasize is that now at the stage we are at, we have a
00:02:28tax audit, it has not been proven. now
00:02:30public opinion is upset and we
00:02:41and we have expressed it here about what is happening between Vissy and
00:02:45Karvelas, but this public opinion is what brought Karvelas and
00:02:49Vissy to where they are now and now we see what happened, kids, from these
00:02:53concerts, were there escapes or weren't there, we are upset, those who
00:02:56are a little more upset about the two artists.
00:03:03on the contrary, in no case on the contrary, it seems very
00:03:07distant, all this, that is, you see two such beloved artists
00:03:11having made millions, as it turns out, which however in some
00:03:15cases it seems that they had not yet been checked or had not been checked at any
00:03:18stage of their journey. We thank you very much, Vivi. Now
00:03:22let's get a taste of what's happening now and the
00:03:25announcements we were expecting about the ban on social
00:03:29media. for children under 16 years old, announcements are being
00:03:32made by the co-competent ministers and
00:03:35we can get a taste, let's connect because
00:03:38what we have on the platforms and
00:03:42what will be discussed, so we understand that at this
00:03:44moment with the platforms there is no
00:03:47clear framework in order to prevent
00:03:51all this legislative framework that you, as the government, have, from becoming
00:03:55a firework from the side that the platforms will use it.
00:03:58The point is that they are not
00:04:01obliged for every account to use the
00:04:04verification mechanism, what we are saying again is to make it clear that now the
00:04:08platforms are responsible to find and
00:04:11locate.
00:04:14Mr. is speaking now next to him is Akis Kertsos and
00:04:18of course Adonis Georgiadis and we are waiting
00:04:21to see what they will specify and of course what they will
00:04:24answer to the journalists who say okay with the ban but
00:04:28what will happen with the other platforms.
00:04:30That's right, and we ask the parents to tell us if what
00:04:34you hear or will hear and read tomorrow satisfies you and what
00:04:38else so in a very short time we
00:04:42will return immediately after the short, very short
00:04:44break with new evidence from the
00:04:47testimony of the daughter of the two doctors in
00:04:50Karnea, who says quite a few things about
00:04:54Methi, which is the number one issue for the
00:04:58investigative authorities. in a few days, perhaps even this
00:05:01week, we may have the results of the toxicological, perhaps even the
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00:15:44So, here we are and not alone, first of all, Mrs.
00:15:47Tatiana Douvara, you will allow us, Mr. President, we always start with the ladies, you are a
00:15:51kind person, hello lady, I am a collaborator of the
00:15:54show, you are here every day with us, Mr. Giannake,
00:15:57he even corrects us, they call him
00:16:01Giannakos and we keep calling him Giannakos, forgive us
00:16:04Mr. President, forgive us for all the times we have said it. So, Theodosis,
00:16:07Mr. President, is also with us, and
00:16:11let's go now, hello Theodosis, good afternoon, let's
00:16:15start with the new information coming out of the
00:16:18and the death of Giorgos
00:16:22Mazonakis, what comes out from what the child
00:16:26of this family, a child only 19 years old,
00:16:30told the investigator a few days ago and it is
00:16:33important to see the card we have prepared and start our conversation
00:16:37from there. Let's see what she reportedly said, we remind
00:16:40you that she herself says my mother also did plasmapheresis on me.
00:16:44I heard the word adrenaline twice in the
00:16:47doctor's office. About 10 minutes later they called my father and
00:16:51he ran into my mother's examination room, where the
00:16:55plasmapheresis was being performed, with a stethoscope around his neck and after
00:16:585 minutes I saw the doctor screaming
00:17:01"I had a heart attack" and continues, "I had
00:17:04plasmapheresis with my mother on August 26th and 30th." We
00:17:08were telling you since Friday that it was in two phases according to
00:17:11what she claimed was the treatment for her, while the doctor's office was
00:17:15closed and I even have a relevant video, she gave me
00:17:19something to relax as they do in gastroscopy and
00:17:22colonoscopy and I fell asleep," she
00:17:25says among other things, "I wish my father had found out, even by
00:17:29mistake, about Methi, because we wouldn't have reached
00:17:32where we are now." The first question I want to ask Theodosis
00:17:36directly is if he also knows
00:17:39if this video that the daughter claims to have
00:17:43in her hands has been submitted to the authorities yet,
00:17:46since she is submitting it and it is considered evidence, she
00:17:50must submit it and since she has said so, she probably
00:17:53has it, because if she says that the
00:17:56video has been deleted for the reasons, it is
00:17:59not available to her, it does not
00:18:03strengthen what she says, yes, the
00:18:06colleague of Mrs. Douvara, Mr. Lykoudis, who has taken
00:18:09over the defense of the Mazonakis family,
00:18:13of course, said that no
00:18:15video has been included in the case file so far, so I don't know, Mrs.
00:18:18Douvara, if we can be sure that
00:18:21this is really true?
00:18:25Look, we must first of all put the daughter's testimony
00:18:29in the correct perspective, so we must
00:18:32consider that she is the daughter of the accused,
00:18:36so let's examine her testimony from this perspective,
00:18:40when you give a witness testimony
00:18:42later the investigator may ask you to
00:18:46provide evidence to prove it, so here for me we have two
00:18:50aspects, what does she want to say, why does she say I had plasmapheresis
00:18:54for potential malice, what does she want to say with that? If my mother
00:18:58has performed plasmapheresis on her child, it means
00:19:02that she does not accept the
00:19:05fact that by performing plasmapheresis, death
00:19:08may occur, so this serves both accused, exactly,
00:19:12especially for anesthesia, because she also talked about
00:19:15anesthesia and sedation, let's go now to the second part, she had given her too,
00:19:19because for me this was also my basic course, when they did
00:19:22plasmapheresis they administered sedation to those patients, so
00:19:26here she comes and somewhat mentions that she had also given me
00:19:29something to relax and the third aspect mentions and
00:19:33helps, if you like, with her testimony, her father, who
00:19:37seems to have already separated from the mother,
00:19:40even from the change of lawyers, but also from the change of defense strategy, but
00:19:44does the malice also concern the mother accused doctor?
00:19:47Because if you do it to your daughter,
00:19:50you obviously didn't want to cause harm to Mazonakis, that's the logical
00:19:53assumption, exactly, that's where it goes for both accused, that's because what
00:19:57are we looking at here? We are looking at two time points, before plasmapheresis,
00:20:00before any invasive procedure
00:20:04and after
00:20:07the prosecution was initially brought as fatal exposure to
00:20:11danger, but Theodoropoulos and the hacker were sharing the money.
00:20:14So,
00:20:18new prosecutions have also been filed, this testimony has a
00:20:21contradiction in the first part, what does she say? She gave me something
00:20:25to relax and to sleep so that this could happen.
00:20:29In the last part, however, where she seems to be trying to
00:20:32excuse her father, it's very logical and I speak now as
00:20:36a parent, what does she say? If the doctor
00:20:39knew about the sedation, we wouldn't have come
00:20:42this far, that is, on the one hand she says, I
00:20:45took it, but if my dad knew about it,
00:20:49we wouldn't have. Here, now, was he a doctor
00:20:52theoretically? Of course not practically, he doesn't have a specialty, but
00:20:56was he a doctor, excuse me, did all this happen in
00:20:59Theodoropoulos's office? Yes, he was
00:21:01there and he didn't realize that he was giving sedation
00:21:05to patients? Can we believe that? The line may
00:21:09be, but here we are talking about a conspiracy of joint perpetrators who have the same
00:21:13responsibilities and where, excuse me, where was
00:21:16the product of the active ingredient placed?
00:21:30What is this hospital drug? It's propofol and
00:21:33midazolam, about which there's so much talk, and now the
00:21:36accused doctor comes and what does she say? Go and
00:21:40search Mazonakis's house to see if these substances
00:21:43were there and if he was taking them himself.
00:21:46First question, how can anyone find
00:21:54it? Secondly, Mr. Lykoudis, the family's lawyer, comes out today and
00:21:57what does he say? Mazonakis's house was searched, the only things
00:22:01found were some Xanax, but Xanax doesn't have propofol,
00:22:04Xanax
00:22:07was also found in the hospital, yes, but that has nothing to do with propofol,
00:22:10absolutely nothing, so what are they trying to do, Mrs. Douvara, or
00:22:14the doctor? This is what I believe and foresee, that
00:22:18she will try to say that I did not administer these substances, but
00:22:22Mr. Mazonakis had already taken one of the two, I don't know, and it was already in his
00:22:25system. But there is her daughter,
00:22:28but, when you administer, yes, and also when you administer anesthesia to a
00:22:32person or when you subject him to this examination,
00:22:35you must first, if you are a doctor, request certain
00:22:39examinations, a medical pre-screening should be done, to
00:22:42see the patient's condition, this is obviously, I fear that the
00:22:46check should have been done on all people who were.
00:22:55And Mr. Giannakos will also tell us if in a normal
00:22:58doctor's office, a normal one, of course, it was, and
00:23:02this always involves a check of the patient, they have a history, these
00:23:06people on their computers didn't have the patients' history, there was
00:23:10nothing and they were even deleting the names from the machine itself. I
00:23:14want to ask Mr. Giannakos something to take it a little further.
00:23:17If it is confirmed by the psalm anyway, that the
00:23:21specific substances were administered, can
00:23:24this finding alone prove the cause of death
00:23:28or do we need to look at concentrations,
00:23:31drug combinations, histological findings that always delay histological
00:23:35results a little longer? For
00:23:38me, everything is taken into account,
00:23:41she was sedated, was a pre-operative check done,
00:23:45was it not? If there was a cardiological problem, as
00:23:48it is said, with an electrocardiogram, with a cardiological
00:23:52examination, this would have been found and
00:23:55this medical procedure would have been avoided, in fact, a second one within
00:23:5924 hours, then the sedation that the daughter also said
00:24:03is done in
00:24:05doctors' offices that perform gastroscopy,
00:24:09colonoscopy, yes, but there, sedation is done in the
00:24:12presence of an anesthesiologist, who knows the
00:24:16dosage, knows what to give, is it possible
00:24:20for an unqualified doctor who signs as a holistic doctor to
00:24:24administer sedation with heavy destructive drugs
00:24:27propofol and midazolam and
00:24:30at the same time, how did this doctor, who was sharing the
00:24:33money with his wife, allow all this to happen in the doctor's office,
00:24:37let his daughter be in danger, do this act? Didn't he
00:24:41know anything? Was this clinic so big?
00:24:44It was a chicken coop. He knew everything.
00:24:48He is jointly responsible. More in a bit, we won't let you go,
00:24:52we'll let you catch your breath by thanking Theodosis above
00:24:55so we can go directly to the other topic, Mrs. Douvara, which
00:24:59we are learning now, because the truth is that with so
00:25:02much noise about the story of intellectual property rights for
00:25:06music, with so much noise, we haven't dealt with it before in our
00:25:09country. Mrs. Irene Stamatoudi is also with us and we thank her very much,
00:25:13law professor, of course, and a lawyer herself, hello Mrs.
00:25:16Stamatoudi and thank you very much, good afternoon, hello, hello.
00:25:20So, this week, beyond the financial aspect, which I think
00:25:24we are probably only at the beginning of, and the
00:25:27audit authority, which is currently
00:25:30investigating everything about the
00:25:33income of both Karvelas and
00:25:36Vissy recently, from what we understand,
00:25:40there is this aspect which, as you understand, is the
00:25:44most attractive
00:25:47in the discussion, whether it will...
00:25:52as things have developed and I heard you say that she may face
00:25:56consequences if the request of
00:25:59is not heard. All this is provided for in the Law on
00:26:11Intellectual Property of 21/21
00:26:14of 1993. The law is quite strict on
00:26:17violations of intellectual property rights, no one, if
00:26:21one goes to sing his songs without playing the musical
00:26:25composition and reciting the lyrics without his permission,
00:26:29provisional measures may be requested
00:26:33to stop the concert,
00:26:36there will be order from the prosecutor and the
00:26:39police to stop the concert, damages may be requested,
00:26:42it may even go to an immediate arrest,
00:26:45so it is really strict and the
00:26:49process of immediate arrest, that is, in some
00:26:52cases, exactly, however, the conclusion
00:26:55is drawn that the main owner of the
00:26:58songs is the composer, that's what I understand from the law.
00:27:07both, both, both believe.
00:27:10The
00:27:14singer has a right only to their performance, they also
00:27:17have a right, it's not a copyright, it's a related
00:27:21right, it's called that in the law, because it's related to the right
00:27:25of intellectual property, but it concerns their performance
00:27:28and only that and not the music, the dominant one here is Karvelas.
00:27:32Yes, but a song that has timeless success
00:27:36mainly through the performance of an artist,
00:27:40doesn't take that into account, that is, does the artist
00:27:43open up, I mean, a wider big
00:27:46issue now for the relationship between creator and artist, here
00:27:50Vissi, let's say, is not protected in any way, except
00:27:54that this law you mentioned can be used by the creator
00:27:57abusively, and of course the court judges this.
00:28:01In this particular case,
00:28:14both have a de facto loss, because people are used
00:28:18to hearing Karvelas's songs through her
00:28:21performance, and I imagine that when someone
00:28:25else performs them, it won't be
00:28:29the same for the audience, I imagine, but the
00:28:32law is not a Greek peculiarity, what Greek
00:28:36law provides for, is the law that applies throughout the European Union. The
00:28:40singer indeed, because they contribute their performance, and
00:28:43their performance can be of crucial importance
00:28:46for the promotion of a song, that's exactly why they have this
00:28:50related right. This right is related to their
00:28:53performance, that's where the added value that the singer gives to
00:28:57the song through their performance is, and in this particular case,
00:29:01they will be deprived of it.
00:29:09I see the discussion that has started, Ms. Douvara, some
00:29:13say that look, in the end Vissi and Karvelas will get along just fine
00:29:17and we are making analyses upon analyses
00:29:20in vain. Now that we are talking, I will tell you
00:29:23honestly, I believe that it is self-destructive and
00:29:27mutually destructive not to find common ground at some point.
00:29:30Maybe now that the '
00:29:32is high, I understand, because this always happens in
00:29:35disputes, and we lawyers at least advise,
00:29:39and my personal advice is that the worst compromise is
00:29:43better than going to
00:29:46court. If you represented Vissi or Karvelas now, what would you
00:29:49advise them to agree?
00:29:52Without a doubt, because both are harmed, and Vissi
00:29:56has an issue where she is indeed excluded from the right
00:30:00to sing again, but so is Karvelas. What will he do, where will he give the songs
00:30:03to be sung? Will it be the same? Will he earn what he earns
00:30:07now? So it is
00:30:10detrimental to both. Ms. Stamatoudi, is there a
00:30:13legal fee in the case of a concert? That is,
00:30:17does he get what he is entitled to
00:30:20in a contract, the lyricist? Can he
00:30:24ask for something more later, because I see that the differences are probably
00:30:28not smoothed out in what we heard about the amounts,
00:30:31that is. I understand it was the initial
00:30:33dispute that triggered everything else, and of course there was also an
00:30:37ethical issue regarding the presentation. But to get to
00:30:41this financial dispute, what usually happens is that when the
00:30:44creator is particularly
00:30:46famous, usually the songs
00:30:50that someone performs are mainly their own songs, usually
00:30:54an additional agreement is made besides
00:30:57what a collective organization is paid.