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00:00:01It is influenced
00:00:04artificially, then it comes out
00:00:08to the recipient and to its general public opinion. Well, what
00:00:11differs regarding the issue
00:00:16do you read the rapid development in of indicators or the existence of campaigns and individual
00:00:18work carried out by some?
00:00:23But before you answer this
00:00:29the existence of deception within this So, what is the nature of this but we discovered this deception from I mean, excuse me, there are individuals who disseminate this information, and there are entities that carry out misleading work. How can we differentiate between this
00:00:31directed effort and individual
00:00:34work?
00:00:39The militia's media itself is specialized media.
00:00:43Therefore, everything
00:00:46in the practice of political work within this we talk about is that there are external rooms managing
00:00:50this because we are not specialized and
00:00:53do not care about media professionals, if there are specialized
00:00:58I worked in education in media professionals within the militia, because
00:01:01in all axes and in all administrative
00:01:04or military departments,
00:01:07they are
00:01:09across all sectors houses or something.
00:01:10So,
00:01:14the media that comes from individuals comes
00:01:17voluntarily from them,
00:01:19I mean,
00:01:21with dictates that everyone
00:01:24must publish
00:01:28this news through WhatsApp
00:01:32groups, on Facebook, and so on.
00:01:35It is managed in simple ways. Sir Ibrahim,
00:01:38there are circulating accusations regarding the existence of external
00:01:42funding for these disinformation platforms.
00:01:46What is the nature of the evidence for
00:01:49the existence of such support for these
00:01:53platforms?
00:01:57Unfortunately, or to be honest,
00:02:01I cannot find
00:02:04direct evidence for its existence,
00:02:07because my
00:02:10experience of presence in the militia was not
00:02:12as a media professional, but rather as a politician
00:02:16and a member of an advisory council and a member of a legislative
00:02:20parcel of council for the civilian administration that was in Khartoum state.
00:02:23Therefore, I did not practice media or media
00:02:27work within the militia.
00:02:29Regarding the Sudanese-Mauritanian episodes, many This is what I say based on what I know
00:02:32from a distance in this field. Well, if
00:02:36we leave aside the media issue
00:02:37consider ourselves and the platforms issue, there is also
00:02:40talk about direct
00:02:43of civilizations.
00:02:44This and indirect support. What are the forms of this support, Mr. Ibrahim, and the types
00:02:46of support?
00:02:49Direct support is support
00:02:52with weapons,
00:02:54he affirmed that there would be no negotiations with
00:02:54supporters on willing. How did you find working with support with experts, support
00:02:58with mercenaries,
00:03:00and all forms of military and logistical support are available.
00:03:03So,
00:03:06and reverting to what is happening on Mr. Ibrahim, how do you evaluate the reality of the militia when you were part of this
00:03:12visits carried out at reality? First, let me talk about the political
00:03:19of departments in have been achieved aspect, because the reality of the militia, if I talk about the military aspect, because I am still
00:03:21a military man, it is clear. Indeed, now after what happened,
00:03:25the also the media aspect, I also spoke about general information, but it is available and so on.
00:03:31But the political and civilian administrative
00:03:34reality is a harsh reality.
00:03:38steadfastness. This strength in I assure you that
00:03:39this
00:03:43so-called state or transitional government
00:03:47or "Dagalo's state" as
00:03:50some call it,
00:03:53it was not so. It was not
00:03:55that affects the region and affects a project.
00:03:58You could say it's a project
00:04:01interrupting. This is all the time for Abdel Aziz al-Hilu,
00:04:04for this interview on an old dream for
00:04:07Welcome back to the secular system. It found
00:04:10its lost cause in the Rapid Support Forces.
00:04:13Also,
00:04:14perhaps
00:04:18the parties,
00:04:19recently at the political, including those that split from the Forces of Freedom
00:04:22and Change, also
00:04:25dreamed of civilian
00:04:29rule and the
00:04:31theory. I can tell you that the establishment is nothing but a rehearsal
00:04:34for a rule dreamed
00:04:35of
00:04:39by these politicians who support
00:04:41يدعمون
00:04:44the militia. As for Dagalo, I think they are just
00:04:48an ATM. The decision is not in their hands,
00:04:51القرار ليس بيدهم
00:04:52nor
00:04:56do they have anything more than that
00:04:59this rifle was exploited, and then these funds
00:05:03were exploited.
00:05:07I mean, Dagalo himself, I think
00:05:09therefore this that Mohamed Hamdan Hemeti is the Samaritan of Sudanese politics.
00:05:13He seized the authority of rule,
00:05:16power and money, and brought them a calf that
00:05:20had no lowing. This is the establishment that misled
00:05:23the people.
00:05:25And the people, all of us used to think and believe that
00:05:29there was a reform project,
00:05:33within.
00:05:37deception? How do you demonstrate
00:05:41entity? This political incubator for the militia's
00:05:45political practice is not
00:05:48a political practice, but attempts
00:05:51to obscure public opinion that there is a government and there is
00:05:55Where does the flaw lie, Mr. Ibrahim,
00:05:59body? The flaw lies in poor administration, and the
00:06:03flaw lies in the violations suffered by the Sudanese
00:06:06citizen in those areas.
00:06:09And the flaw lies
00:06:12in the control of the Rapid Support Forces
00:06:16over its members who
00:06:19are present within these areas.
00:06:23The Sudanese people in those areas suffer greatly. They suffer
00:06:27from poverty and lack of resources
00:06:30or their absence, and they suffer from a lack
00:06:34of security and violations. So,
00:06:38to what extent are these components and these entities
00:06:41in
00:06:43harmony with each other, and to what extent are they
00:06:46consistent with these slogans that
00:06:50they advocate and adopt through this gathering, the
00:06:54Taqaddum gathering? These are empty
00:06:57slogans. These are empty slogans
00:07:01and hijacked decisions,
00:07:03and
00:07:06they are merely slogans, nothing more.
00:07:08I mean, nothing more. There are no
00:07:12things people fight for, and there is no reform people fight for.
00:07:16However, there is an external and old agenda
00:07:20that is well-known.
00:07:23There is an old external agenda known to divide
00:07:26Sudan and change the demography.
00:07:30It's a big plan. I mean, part of
00:07:33this so-called Taqaddum,
00:07:36the so-called Rapid
00:07:39Support Forces
00:07:41Okay, Mr. Ibrahim, we're running out of time, but
00:07:45in half a minute, please, how do you assess
00:07:48the future of the militia and the future of this political incubator
00:07:52in half a minute, please?
00:07:56Taqaddum
00:07:58alliance is doomed
00:08:01to disappear because it has no
00:08:07the ground as citizens. As for
00:08:10the militia and the Rapid
00:08:14Support Forces, I believe,
00:08:19the ground, they are also to disappear.
00:08:23The victories that
00:08:29on the ground and that the Sudanese
00:08:32Armed Forces and
00:08:35their supporters have made,
00:08:38and the Sudanese people's rallying around them, I think
00:09:23escalating cooperation and wider horizons for reconstruction.
00:09:26Sudanese-Turkish relations have witnessed rapid development
00:09:31diplomatic, and economic
00:09:35levels, coinciding with field changes in Sudan
00:09:38and regional transformations in the Red Sea and the Horn of Africa.
00:09:42High-level meetings between the leaders of the
00:09:45two countries have increased at a time when international
00:09:48reports and analyses talk about growing Turkish
00:09:52interest in Sudan as a pivotal country in Red Sea
00:09:55security and an important partner in security, investment,
00:09:59and reconstruction files. In light of these
00:10:02developments, questions arise about the dimensions
00:10:05of this rapprochement and its repercussions on the course
00:10:09of the war, the future of bilateral relations, and Sudan's
00:10:57RSF has been categorized by
00:11:00law as a terrorist
00:11:03Malaysia so there is no negotiation with a
00:11:07terrorist also
00:11:10uh most of those who are fighting
00:11:14with RSF now
00:11:17mercenaries I don't think it is
00:11:21logical to negotiate with a
00:11:23mercenary. on my ground, so there is no
00:11:27negotiation, we put
00:11:30very frank and very open
00:11:33initiative before the security council of the
00:11:37United Nations in the 22nd of December last
00:11:41year, and it shows
00:11:44the vision of government of the Sudan to
00:11:47deal with this Malaysia, we have just
00:11:51discussed with my counterpart, the
00:11:54foreign are here, some views
00:11:58about our holistic
00:12:01approach towards the
00:12:04peace process in Sudan,
00:12:07and in this advancement
00:12:10of of our troops on the
00:12:14ground, we are closer to the peace
00:12:18in Sudan, and that will lay the
00:12:22ground for more cooperation.
00:12:25cooperation in the rehabilitation of
00:12:28Sudan, so the technology
00:12:31and the
00:12:35the Turkish
00:12:37in and the companies of Turkey
00:12:41in different fields is going to be part and
00:12:45the rehabilitation of
00:12:49Sudan, so Turkey is
00:12:52strategic ally of Sudan so...
00:13:13in a minute, please, how do you comment on the Foreign Minister's speech, in which
00:13:19the militia?
00:13:21The speech of the Sudanese Foreign Minister on Turkish
00:13:25territory indicates that he is speaking from
00:13:28the territory of an ally, a strategic and strong ally,
00:13:32an ally who believes in the Sudanese
00:13:35cause, in the Sudanese narrative, and in the legitimacy
00:13:38of Sudanese state institutions. Therefore, when the Foreign Minister
00:13:42speaks, he speaks from a solid foundation,
00:13:44and he stands on a solid foundation, and he
00:13:48is confident in the Turkish position that it strengthens
00:13:52and there is strengthening of the Sudanese position there.
00:13:55There is full coordination, and understandings. Therefore,
00:13:59he speaks with this confidence and this
00:14:03the words indicates that the understanding
00:14:06is indeed almost
00:14:09identical and confirmed on all
00:14:12fronts. The issue of Sudan is not an issue of bilateral
00:14:15relations, not an internal issue only, but it is an issue
00:14:20the political environment
00:14:23in the region and I'm sure there are international,
00:14:26regional, and global intersections.
00:14:30Time is running out quickly. Let me go back to my question, excuse me for interrupting, but
00:14:34how do you interpret this rapid development in Sudanese-Turkish
00:14:37relations? The rapid development in these
00:14:41Sudanese-Turkish relations indicates
00:14:44that this relationship has come a long way
00:14:48and reached a very advanced stage. It has moved
00:14:52from the issue of words
00:14:56and courtesies, rather it has moved
00:14:59from, let me say, mere signing
00:15:02of agreements, even if they were strategic
00:15:06agreements, as stated by the presidents
00:15:08of the two countries, to the stage of practical implementation.
00:15:12Thus, this rapid development, the successive
00:15:15visits by senior officials, indicate that
00:15:19this relationship has come a long way and reached the stage
00:15:22of practical implementation of relations. The strategic
00:15:26and follow-up of that
00:15:28implementation
00:15:30day by day, stage by stage, and
00:15:34follow-up, this development,
00:15:37required shuttle visits by senior
00:15:40officials, and this
00:15:42is reflected in the statements, not only conclusions from
00:15:46us, but it was clearly reflected in the statements, starting from
00:15:50the statements of Dr.
00:15:54Mohamed Osman, I mean, in your opinion, what are the strategic dimensions
00:15:57of the relationship between Sudan and Turkey, specifically
00:16:01in the Red Sea
00:16:02region?
00:16:05Your question concerns this strategic dimension. Strategically, my
00:16:09dear brother, this relationship, first of all,
00:16:12does not stem from the premise that it is not merely a bilateral
00:16:16relationship, but rather
00:16:18a relationship that stems from a solid common
00:16:21ground and a common vision regarding the entire region.
00:16:25And from here came this strength and came
00:16:28this
00:16:32depth in this relationship. Therefore, the statements are
00:16:35profound. And with great scope, as
00:16:39I told you, the statements of the presidents
00:16:42of the two countries, the statements of the foreign ministers of the two countries, and the statements of officials
00:16:46of the other
00:16:49country speak about this. Why? Because this
00:16:52relationship stems from a deep understanding
00:16:55and a strategy that encompasses the vision
00:16:58of the entire region. What does that mean? It means that Turkey and Sudan
00:17:02are now united by a deep understanding
00:17:05on policy. And a vision
00:17:08and a plan for the entire region regarding
00:17:11the security
00:17:14of the region, regarding the strategic
00:17:17relationship, and regarding understandings regarding
00:17:21the exchange of interests between this region.
00:17:24The exchange of commercial
00:17:26interests and trade
00:17:28and the waters of the Red
00:17:32Sea. Okay, doctor, let me ask about this point specifically, excuse me for interrupting, but
00:17:36in your opinion, what are the most prominent
00:17:40areas of cooperation, I mean, I am talking about cooperation, that
00:17:43can witness progress during the coming period
00:17:47between Sudan and Turkey?
00:17:49The most prominent statement that speaks
00:17:53about
00:17:55the essence of this relationship and the areas it includes was
00:17:59a turning point. It was the statement made by President
00:18:02Erdogan. He stated verbatim that the relationship between Sudan
00:18:05and Turkey is now a strategic relationship that includes cooperation in the political,
00:18:09security, military and military
00:18:13manufacturing fields, and
00:18:16investments and economic cooperation in agricultural
00:18:20and industrial investment. So,
00:18:22Mr. Erdogan, the Turkish President, listed
00:18:26a large list that includes all types
00:18:29of cooperation, and he stated that this strategic relationship has extended into all these
00:18:33depths. Not only that, but successive
00:18:37statements came to translate
00:18:40this relationship from the highest level of leadership
00:18:43to the executive stage. Therefore, we
00:18:47are witnessing shuttle
00:18:50the executive level by ministers, undersecretaries
00:18:53of ministries, and directors
00:18:56each other's counterparts in order to implement what has been
00:19:00agreed upon in
00:19:03strategic memoranda of understanding. So,
00:19:06when we move to
00:19:10practical implementation on the ground, that includes
00:19:13infrastructure, reconstruction, rehousing,
00:19:17and restarting factories. There is
00:19:21a signing of an agreement regarding the operation of Port
00:19:24Sudan and its twinning with the Turkish port of Mersin.
00:19:27Agriculture,
00:19:30agricultural technology,