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00:00:00in the Rapid Support Forces militia, from defections, of course,
00:00:03those who defected, and
00:00:07this is a turning the defection is still ongoing. They
00:00:10are not soldiers and not
00:00:13political citizens. Uh, these
00:00:16are leaders, senior
00:00:19officers in the front lines, leading
00:00:22military operations on the ground. And
00:00:26therefore, we evaluate whether
00:00:30the Rapid Support Forces militia is with the same strength or
00:00:33less. Uh, therefore, the departure of these field
00:00:39the militia's media figures leaders their evaluation of the battle
00:00:42the armed forces being present in that now there is a superiority of the armed forces over
00:00:46the Rapid Support Forces and the military Rapid Support Forces cannot
00:00:49confront the armed forces on the ground. Therefore. And
00:00:52therefore, they decided to
00:00:54members of escape from this boat which is about to
00:00:58sink. Uh. Therefore,
00:01:01this more than once. The Rapid Support Forces cannot
00:01:02and destroyed thousands of our evaluation comes from here
00:01:05that the departure of the main leaders
00:01:08who are fighting and on the front lines
00:01:13people who are now in disabled, present in and defected to the armed forces is considered that
00:01:17this this position is considered
00:01:19a clear admission of the superiority of the armed
00:01:22forces and the
00:01:25inability of the Rapid Support Forces to confront the armed forces on the ground. Therefore.
00:01:30They decided to go to the armed forces and there
00:01:34that is, all your accusation is that you are communicating with are more defections. We have contacts
00:01:37and we have many acquaintances among
00:01:40senior leaders. People may be surprised in the coming
00:01:43days. Everyone now wants to jump
00:01:47over its soldiers in from this boat
00:01:50save himself and go to the armed forces.
00:01:53supporting But due to security conditions,
00:01:57unfortunately, many they are delaying their withdrawal from the Rapid Support
00:02:01are now trying to market this Forces. Therefore, there is communication between the leaders who
00:02:03defected and the leaders who are still
00:02:07contact with present. So, I am very happy that
00:02:10the leadership of the Sudanese
00:02:13aware of who is behind Armed Forces still keeps the
00:02:15door of repentance open to all
00:02:18remove this who carried arms, especially senior leaders in the Rapid Support Forces militia.
00:02:22And
00:02:24now cannot this gave them reassurance that
00:02:26the
00:02:28Armed Forces are now completely reassured that the Armed
00:02:32Forces and the decisions they took
00:02:37and I can be assertive in this in accepting everyone who wants to come to the homeland
00:02:41is welcome. Therefore, they were reassured about this
00:02:45position through their colleagues who
00:02:47preceded them. And now what
00:02:50counter this we see in the field, especially
00:02:52the meetings that were recorded recently
00:02:56for the leader of the militia, and he is among
00:03:00a group of soldiers and vehicles that were
00:03:04estimated at approximately
00:03:06its arrival there does not mean, 150 vehicles approximately, and he is talking
00:03:09that in the past he used to confront 60
00:03:13affect even vehicles with 1000
00:03:16the arrival of leaders from vehicles. And this means
00:03:18that is, hundreds of an admission from him that he cannot provide more than the vehicles
00:03:21that were with him at that time. He is trying to encourage
00:03:25people that these simple vehicles that we see can be used to
00:03:29defeat the armed forces and we can
00:03:32achieve victories with them in different places.
00:03:35more defections Therefore, through his words that
00:03:38through the departure of the main
00:03:42field leaders from the Rapid Support Forces
00:03:45and also there is conscription, it has become compulsory conscription.
00:03:48That is, the last time, from our communication, they
00:03:52went to villages
00:03:54leading the war on and remote areas, they took many young
00:03:57minors and... they promised them
00:04:00that they would take them to
00:04:02that militarily, they cannot Libya to train them
00:04:06from and then return them to Darfur or Kordofan, Sudan in general,
00:04:10for close contact between the militia
00:04:14and the armed forces. Therefore, these young people go to
00:04:17security arrangements, uh, and they will train them in
00:04:21in terms of soldiers or Libya. So these
00:04:22in terms of armament, or even young people were surprised that
00:04:24they were dropped off in Ethiopia and found themselves
00:04:28in numbers, nor in equipment, nor even in the
00:04:31areas close to the Blue Nile. And within
00:04:3412 hours,
00:04:38by the words that come from that is,
00:04:40even Hamedti's appearance in they reached the border, they reached the front lines of the militia in the Blue Nile. That is, these
00:04:44of them are now resentful of young people moved from Darfur
00:04:46until they reached the battle on
00:04:49the front lines of the battle between
00:04:52Yes, thank you very much. There is no fear in this the army and the militia
00:04:55in the Blue Nile within 48
00:04:59hours. Yes. Until the Ethiopian-Sudanese border,
00:05:0348 hours, they were deceived that they would go and train
00:05:06and enter into security arrangements, as I mentioned. Yes, this is how
00:05:10they gathered them from the local communities, from the villages and
00:05:14from the remote areas, different areas, and they were all young people. That is, the oldest of them would be
00:05:1722, 23. They told them, we will take you to Libya
00:05:21and train you because there is an agreement between them and the government
00:05:25and the army, and after that we will put you in arrangements
00:05:28to join the Sudanese army. So they took them and put them on
00:05:32a plane and they found themselves in Ethiopia. Okay, okay, that is,
00:05:35as long as they are waiting for them, yes, yes, Doctor
00:05:39Yacoub, as long as we have talked about
00:05:43you about the
00:05:46situation in the local administration, they are very annoyed. They
00:05:49are waiting for the armed forces to reach them to save them from this destruction that has afflicted them.
00:05:53But the local administration, we know
00:05:56that some local administrations, especially the Nazirs
00:05:59of some tribes, these people have been very strongly
00:06:03involved with the militia and have become
00:06:07the militia. And during the past four
00:06:10years, they were mobilizing for the militia
00:06:15these young people. These young people
00:06:18are now demanding their rights because there are people killed, there are people missing, there
00:06:22are thousands of people who are
00:06:25orphanages.
00:06:28There are widows, there is a very big tragedy, and these
00:06:31local administrations that push their people
00:06:34into this inferno are responsible for it. These people
00:06:37now, when they felt that the Rapid Support Forces
00:06:41are about to collapse completely, and the armed
00:06:44forces will inevitably arrive and the state will arrive. So
00:06:48they tried to talk about
00:06:51the issue of the existence of the Rapid Support Forces. They are now denying the Rapid Support Forces and saying
00:06:55that we are calling for our existence because if we don't
00:06:58defend, tomorrow there will be no citizen for the armed forces and the Sudanese
00:07:02army and the joint and other
00:07:06forces when they come
00:07:09here, they will reward the people. And these people
00:07:14thing. But we, from
00:07:17our the people
00:07:20and informing them and reassuring them that the armed
00:07:24forces are coming to protect them, coming
00:07:27to
00:07:31harm that has afflicted them, disrupting their schools,
00:07:34disrupting their hospitals, there is no safety, all
00:07:38the bad things are now present in this region. Therefore,
00:07:41the people. Now the local administration is in
00:07:44one valley and the citizens are in another valley. And I believe,
00:07:50, that if the armed forces do not enter
00:07:54and control the situation in Darfur
00:07:57in general, then these tribes will hold
00:08:00the local administrations responsible for
00:08:04being the cause of the destruction of their young people. That is, they will punish
00:08:07these people from their own people, not from the state, by the way. And this
00:08:10is a fact. Okay, okay, Doctor,
00:08:14that is, what are the implications
00:08:16of the defection? Are we facing the disintegration
00:08:20of the militia's structure?
00:08:22The lack of communication between the leadership and the field
00:08:26leadership with the militia's leadership? Because we have seen
00:08:29many videos where they send their messages through media
00:08:33saying, "Oh, leader, help us!" and "Oh, leader, you didn't
00:08:36give us cars!" Has the militia
00:08:39begun to disintegrate? Has the relationship between the militia's
00:08:42leadership and the fighting elements on the ground
00:08:46begun to fade? This relationship
00:08:49Of course, استاذ, this
00:08:52is true. The militia has disintegrated.
00:08:55And the proof of that is the departure of key leaders.
00:08:59And as I mentioned at the beginning of my speech, these are not ordinary
00:09:02soldiers. These are field leaders who are fighting and
00:09:07the front lines, and they are the ones confronting the Sudanese
00:09:10Armed Forces. Therefore, they have reached a conviction
00:09:15Therefore, the issue has
00:09:18become two forces
00:09:21or less. Therefore, they will also be held accountable.
00:09:24Therefore, their field assessment is
00:09:28the real assessment. And what is happening in terms of defections and
00:09:31what is happening in terms of discontent here
00:09:34and there and complaints through electronic
00:09:38media indicates that the armed forces are victorious. And all this talk
00:09:41that we are talking about is all because the armed forces are militarily
00:09:45victorious and their military plans are proceeding as they should.
00:09:49And
00:09:52the last period, his appearance is very
00:09:55weak and his words are unorganized and illogical at all.
00:09:59That is, Kordofan, Kordofan
00:10:02in general, this is the first line of defense for the militia. That is, I
00:10:06want to emphasize, my brother, Kordofan, I always
00:10:09say it is like a reservoir. When it is full
00:10:12of water, and you open the water, of course,
00:10:16the water will flow and go. So Kordofan, for
00:10:19the Rapid Support Forces, is the same issue that
00:10:23I am talking about. All
00:10:25the modern weapons and all the
00:10:29forces, soldiers, and all the officers, and all
00:10:32the military operations, and the drones, and all the power they have, are all in
00:10:36Kordofan. And they put them there because it is the line of defense. They do not
00:10:39want the army to go to Darfur. Darfur has no army. Darfur has no
00:10:43weapons. Darfur has no men. All the people have gone to
00:10:46Kordofan. When Kordofan collapses, Darfur
00:10:50will no longer have anyone to defend it because they have gathered them here.
00:10:53Therefore,
00:10:58what he is talking about, that is, we even saw
00:11:04active in the media, despite
00:11:07the mentioned area and declaring their control, they
00:11:10are still talking that this is a lie and that they
00:11:14are in different areas in Europe, and in America, and in
00:11:17the UAE. Therefore,
00:11:21the current reality indicates that the Rapid Support Forces are finished. And I will say
00:11:26confront the armed forces. It is also
00:11:29a problem, or it must also be done in an orderly manner and at night.
00:11:33This is the situation now in Darfur, and what the armed forces
00:11:37have reached, and what the Rapid Support Forces have
00:11:40reached to this stage
00:11:43is an issue. Yes, okay, Doctor Yacoub, I apologize for interrupting,
00:11:46but the militia, of course, is
00:11:50divided into groups, and now we see the whole group
00:11:53leaving. The leader of the group
00:11:55with his groups leaving
00:11:58it. How does the departure of trained
00:12:01field leaders experienced in war
00:12:04affect the balance of power
00:12:07and the militia's control
00:12:12the field?
00:12:14They are groups,
00:12:16that is, groups. That is, our
00:12:19people, the armed groups, that is, when we hear
00:12:23about a field leader
00:12:25or a group leader, what is this group?
00:12:29This group is a tribal group. Yes,
00:12:32someone brought his family. He told his family,
00:12:36"If you bring, for example, 100, we will give you the rank
00:12:39of so-and-so. If you bring 200, your rank will be
00:12:42so-and-so." So the more you mobilize your family, the more you increase
00:12:45the number, the higher your rank will be.
00:12:49Therefore, all the leaders they are talking about, all these groups are tribal
00:12:52groups. That is, they are not a group that was originally formed by the Rapid Support Forces as mobilized
00:12:56forces, not as forces affiliated with the Rapid Support Forces since
00:12:59its establishment. Yes, all those who you see now,
00:13:03they say, "The group leader so-and-so was attacked," or "The group
00:13:06leader so-and-so was injured," or "The group leader so-and-so defected
00:13:10from the Rapid Support Forces and returned to the homeland."
00:13:13These are all mobilized individuals,
00:13:16and the mobilization before the Rapid Support Forces as a military
00:13:19force, as people know it, is over.
00:13:22Now it has become a group of different tribes,
00:13:25and each one goes to go
00:13:29Um, yes, okay, now, yes.
00:13:33Okay, that is, in your opinion, will the signs
00:13:36of internal disintegration possibly
00:13:38the supporters, causing them to discover that this matter is not
00:13:42going forward, and thus reducing
00:13:45support, leading to more defections within the militia, or
00:13:49even sacrificing it in a settlement with the Sudanese
00:13:52government? Of course.
00:13:55The supporters, the declared supporters,
00:13:58and the people behind them, they have completely
00:14:01realized that the Rapid Support Forces have become
00:14:05a thing of the past. And the Sudanese army has become
00:14:08the main force and has imposed itself. This is a reality, and they have reached
00:14:12it, even the supporting state,
00:14:15the UAE, the supporting state. And I say this now and I say
00:14:19for history that now
00:14:22the UAE, after this battle, there was a battle
00:14:26with the leaders of the Rapid Support and they were
00:14:28arrested. Because
00:14:32they gave the UAE a picture different from the picture that is now
00:14:36present.
00:14:38As for the falsification of their media, now its channels
00:14:41are also lying that we have won and we are a force
00:14:45and we will control the city of so-and-so and we want the type
00:14:48of weapon so-and-so, we want the type of drone so-and-so, that
00:14:52we brought soldiers, soldiers who need vehicles. The UAE, of course,
00:14:55supports them and listened to their words. That is, all this support is based on
00:14:59what? Based on conviction
00:15:03the militia. The militia's words are no longer logical. The UAE
00:15:06spent billions of dollars, but the result now
00:15:10is being appreciated. Therefore, perhaps in the coming period, they will return
00:15:13to arrest them because they experimented with them and put them
00:15:17in a very big dilemma. The UAE now is not
00:15:21about stopping the war, it has become a pariah state in the regional
00:15:24community. The international community and has become a pariah
00:15:27state even from its neighbors.
00:15:29We saw a few days ago, that is, in the Gulf
00:15:33final between the UAE and Saudi Arabia, yes, even Saudi Arabia's neighbors.
00:15:37That is, the whole Gulf, when the UAE's national anthem was played, they mocked
00:15:41the national anthem. That is,
00:15:45point in the relationship between the UAE and its Arab neighbors. That is, I
00:15:48am talking about the UAE and the Asians, I am talking about the UAE and the Arabs themselves.
00:15:52That is, therefore, this is the situation of the UAE. The UAE is a pariah
00:15:56state as a result
00:15:58of their support for these people and its generous
00:16:02support, which is now rebounding on it politically
00:16:05and the forces it supports now. Militarily,
00:16:08therefore, these people will be arrested
00:16:12and held accountable because they caused this
00:16:15paper. Okay, okay, since you mentioned
00:16:18arrest, the militia has internal suspicions
00:16:22that prompted it to arrest a number
00:16:26of its elements and leaders.
00:16:28How do you see the impact of this state
00:16:32of mistrust on
00:16:34the cohesion of the militia?
00:16:39Of course, these arrests are one of the things
00:16:41that made people hate the Rapid Support Forces, even the supporters
00:16:45of the Rapid Support Forces, by the way. The Rapid Support Forces is not all at the same
00:16:49level. There is a first-degree Rapid Support Force and there is a level
00:16:52and there is a second-degree Rapid Support Force
00:16:55and there is a level and one level is better.
00:16:59That is, they are better. Yes.
00:17:01And therefore, I
00:17:03say the arbitrary arrests
00:17:08that happen without reason,
00:17:11the army. That is, these people have a phobia of
00:17:14anyone who might have
00:17:18an opinion. As long as you have an opinion, it means you are affiliated with the army, you are an agent
00:17:22of the army. You are imprisoned without any trial, and perhaps in
00:17:25some tribes, it is intentional.
00:17:29And the person who arrived there, no one knows him, and you cannot get him out, and there is no one
00:17:33who can get him out. Therefore, these arrests are one of
00:17:36the things that make people from the Rapid Support Forces
00:17:40and there are many tribal leaders who are now in prisons
00:17:43and there are tribes that have completely withdrawn from the Rapid Support
00:17:47Forces. They have completely withdrawn and they were main
00:17:50supporting tribes. I am convinced or not
00:17:54convinced, Allah knows about greed, but now they have completely
00:17:57withdrawn and Abdel Rahim Deblo or Hamedti
00:18:01convince
00:18:04these tribes to return
00:18:07again.
00:18:10The tribes themselves or the people of Darfur in general,
00:18:13they feel that the army is coming. No one
00:18:17helps the Rapid Support Forces because they have reached a conviction that if
00:18:21the Rapid Support Forces were present, they reached
00:18:24Al-Dandin and Sennar and Al-Jazira and Jow
00:18:27Al-Mawiya and Madani and Khartoum and so on and so on, Al-Jeili
00:18:31and now we are talking about the gates of Darfur.
00:18:34So people are not the opposite. Everyone
00:18:38wants to be at home so that he is not held accountable. The armed
00:18:41forces do not hold people accountable, they hold criminals accountable, not citizens.
00:18:43Therefore, all the people are afraid
00:18:47because the Rapid Support Forces are finished, and even
00:18:50their leaders, what I knew is that some of the main leaders
00:18:53have now sent their children
00:18:56and they remained themselves
00:18:58as infidels and their relatives sent them out, and perhaps
00:19:02if the armed forces
00:19:05reached them, Okay, okay, Doctor
00:19:08Yacoub, you predicted that
00:19:12would occur. In your opinion, what are the factors that might
00:19:16push, that is, field leaders or even
00:19:20soldiers to leave the militia at this time?
00:19:23Is it a feeling of injustice within
00:19:26the militia, or the victories achieved by the armed
00:19:30forces, or is it a combination of factors, in your view, from
00:19:33within the militia? No, it is
00:19:41actually, the whole issue is that they
00:19:44have reached a conviction that the state has decided its matter completely,
00:19:48and the army will arrive, and they do not have
00:19:52the strength to
00:19:54confront, that is, the strength
00:20:00in terms of morale, to confront the armed
00:20:02forces. Neither
00:20:06psychologically. Uh, no, it is possible, of course,
00:20:10in addition to the fact that many people were
00:20:13discriminated against within the Rapid Support Forces, uh,
00:20:16and they were complaining, and now, on the contrary, many
00:20:21the Rapid Support Forces because it did not
00:20:25fulfill their aspirations or their wishes that they were asking for, and there was
00:20:28discrimination among them. There is a first-degree and a second-degree and a third-degree
00:20:32and there are people who are just entrenched in the Rapid Support Forces like this.
00:20:36Therefore, they are now. The precision of the Sudanese
00:20:38army and the progress
00:20:41militarily, this is what made them disintegrate and made them
00:20:45return. The more the army advances, the more
00:20:48defections occur. For example, the collapse, and the collapse is happening now.
00:20:52That is, all the meetings
00:20:55and everything that the commander of the Rapid Support Forces,
00:20:58Hamedti, is doing, and Abdel Rahim, that is, they are now
00:21:01afraid, that is, if there are
00:21:04three of them, they will surely say that the third one is affiliated with the government. That is, the truth
00:21:08has reached them, that is, if there are
00:21:12three of them, one of them suspects that he is affiliated with the army. Yes.
00:21:15Therefore, their movements, each one moves in a different direction,
00:21:19and each one even sleeps alone. I do not
00:21:22expect that his companion might be affiliated with the armed
00:21:25forces. The phobia has now afflicted
00:21:28these people. Therefore, anyone of them who finds an opportunity to accept
00:21:31the army returns. Yes.
00:21:34And many of them are now ready to come
00:21:38to the army, but they are trying to find ways, and perhaps if
00:21:41we look back, even
00:21:45the senior leaders in the Rapid Support Forces who joined the army,
00:21:49the homeland. These people took months to reach
00:21:53the army, by the way, because of
00:21:55security reasons and very high coordination
00:21:59so that they could even reach. So there are many
00:22:03line, they want the way that leads them
00:22:06to the army.
00:22:08And I am sure that if the army opens this
00:22:12rock and reaching the army
00:22:14becomes easy, all these people will come. And the best thing that
00:22:18the commander of the armed forces, Lieutenant General
00:22:22Burhan, did was to renew the amnesty because he knows that
00:22:25many citizens and followers of the Rapid Support Forces were deceived, and this
00:22:29is an agenda that they are not aware of. This is a foreign
00:22:33agenda, and an agenda that wants to disintegrate Sudan and loot
00:22:36Sudan. Therefore, the sons of Sudan must receive them
00:22:39and inform them that you have escaped from
00:22:43the trap of XIM Sudan. That is, many
00:22:47people criticize that how can the armed forces
00:22:50receive people who were in the Rapid Support
00:22:54Forces, but many of these people were also not aware of
00:22:58this project. They were not aware of the objectives of this project. They were not
00:23:03this project. This project is only known
00:23:06and coordinated by the commander of the Rapid Support Forces with the UAE and other
00:23:09supporting countries. But the rest of them were not aware. So finally,
00:23:13the things that they were not aware
00:23:16of became clear to them. Yes, okay, Doctor, Doctor Al-Dumuki, that is,
00:23:21time has caught up with us. I want you to briefly, in quick
00:23:24points, if you please, because you touched on an important
00:23:27point, which is that the militia is now propagating among the community components in
00:23:31Darfur that if the armed forces come, they will annihilate you
00:23:35or displace you from these areas. How can we
00:23:40false
00:23:43discourse from the militia so that
00:23:46our people in Darfur are reassured that the armed forces will come to
00:23:50liberate their children from the grip of this militia, and that
00:23:56by any means, targeting these community components? Briefly, if
00:23:59you please. Okay.
00:24:01First, that is,
00:24:06the Rapid Support Forces with them, forces,
00:24:10and the state's reception
00:24:12of them is a very big positive and encourages
00:24:16many of them and reassures people because the state is
00:24:20originally coming to save them, not to destroy them. Yes.
00:24:23These are citizens of the state, and the state is keen on
00:24:25its citizens. Therefore, through
00:24:29our contacts and many of the people
00:24:32from the Darfur regions who are now in Khartoum, different
00:24:35regions, their contacts have not stopped at all. They call
00:24:38and the people, of course, this is all propaganda from
00:24:41the militia. After it realized that it is going to
00:24:44fall, it is trying to mobilize
00:24:48people in the name of the government. Besides, no state kills
00:24:52its citizens, my friend. It is true. The state is coming to save them
00:24:56the tragedies and massacres
00:24:59and drugs. The state is coming to open schools
00:25:03because their children have not been to school for four years. The state is coming to
00:25:06open hospitals. There is no treatment. The state is
00:25:10coming to open universities. The militia even burned
00:25:14the university libraries. It burned them. It is true. The state is not coming to kill people. The state
00:25:17is coming to restore security and safety. The state.
00:25:20It is coming to restore services to the citizen. The state is coming to restore
00:25:23sovereignty to the state. The army wants to restore sovereignty to the state. So our
00:25:27message to our people is that this is a state. The state is not a militia.
00:25:30It is coming to provide you with services. It is coming to protect you.
00:25:34It is coming to protect the state's borders itself. Yes, sovereignty,
00:25:38to protect the state's sovereignty.
00:25:42matter, God willing. The message has been delivered, and our children
00:25:46will continue to deliver this message, and we will deliver it
00:25:50through our national television that the state
00:25:54is coming to protect them. Yes,
00:25:56the state is coming to impose its sovereignty and provide them
00:25:59with services, to open their closed schools.
00:26:03Yes, to provide them with medicines and hospitals that
00:26:06were destroyed. The universities
00:26:08and libraries that were burned. We had the University of
00:26:12El Fasher and Nyala University, these are among the best universities. The University of El Fasher graduated how many
00:26:15doctors? It is true. I was a minister of health in South
00:26:19Darfur. Yes.
00:26:2170% of the doctors who work in Nyala Hospital graduated from the University of
00:26:25El Fasher. Where is the University of El Fasher
00:26:28now? True. Thank you very much, Dr. Yacoub
00:26:31Al-Dumuki. It needs a clear strategy
00:26:35to address the concerns of citizens in Darfur State
00:26:38that the militia is stirring up with such lies,
00:26:41claiming that the arrival of the armed
00:26:45forces will mean targeting these
00:26:48community components. The message is that the army came
00:26:51to liberate the people of Darfur, with all their components, from this
00:26:55militia, just as it liberated Khartoum, Al-Jazira,
00:26:59Kordofan,
00:27:01and other regions in Sudan. Thank you very much, Dr. Yacoub
00:27:04Al-Dumuki, the political expert and analyst,
00:27:08our guest in our second