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00:00:02that investigation, yes, of
00:01:29been determined by
00:02:11clarify, it is part of
00:02:21How are you? Good evening, thank you for
00:02:24in the modus joining me, welcome, welcome to Conclusiones, it's good that
00:02:26you are here, this, this as every night.
00:02:32Fugitive from justice,
00:02:34from being a candidate on Sunday, candidate
00:02:38for president on Sunday,
00:02:42today, Tuesday, he is a fugitive from justice, I am talking
00:02:45about Flavio Bolsonaro, and
00:02:49yes, even though he was told by the justice system that he could not leave the country
00:02:53and to surrender his passport, today
00:02:56he has arrived in the United States.
00:03:022007 where there was FARC As incredible as it may seem how things can change in little over 50 hours, from being
00:03:05a presidential candidate with a chance to win the
00:03:09election on Sunday, today
00:03:12he is a fugitive from justice, but not only
00:03:15that, this situation is
00:03:19approved by the government of the
00:03:22did not hesitate to give details of what United States, approved, what situation? Well, his arrival in US territory, because he will also
00:03:26be granted the necessary papers to be able to stay here, that is,
00:03:30they will give him a visa, not only to him, but also to his
00:03:33family, so Flavio Bolsonaro not only fled the
00:03:37country, but was received by the government of the
00:03:40United States with all due process,
00:03:43literally, all due process, he will then be
00:03:47here where his brother already lives, while Brazilian
00:03:50justice will have to see what to do, the truth
00:03:54is that it has also become a bilateral
00:03:57conflict, because with all... reason, if the United
00:04:01States receives him with open arms and grants him the
00:04:04documents, obviously in Brazil there is annoyance, there
00:04:08is annoyance from the re-elected president Lula da
00:04:11Silva, also, of course, from the
00:04:14Brazilian justice system, I told
00:04:17you on Monday itself, on Monday itself that the
00:04:20legal situation, the
00:04:23judicial situation of Flavio Bolsonaro was going to be
00:04:26had to do with the investigations
00:04:30against him, these investigations against him, that they were going to
00:04:34continue after the election, well, apparently, in order
00:04:37not to face those investigations, he decides to
00:04:41flee, how he did it and where
00:04:44is still unknown, it is still not
00:04:48clear where he
00:04:51fled from, with what
00:04:522023 electoral campaign of documents he left and how he coordinated everything, because apparently
00:04:56there was coordination,
00:04:59at least, at least on that flight that we still don't
00:05:03know where it departed from, there are rumors, there
00:05:06are those who say it was through Argentina, with help from
00:05:09Argentina, for many obviously the... scenario of
00:05:12Argentina is not so far-fetched because well, we know the
00:05:16position of Argentine President Javier Milei regarding
00:05:19Lula da Silva and Milei's stance regarding the
00:05:23government of the United States, President Donald Trump, the truth is
00:05:26that now, now a new chapter begins in the
00:05:29relationship between the United States and Brazil, in the Lula
00:05:33Trump relationship, it was already tense at the beginning of this new
00:05:36mandate or at the close of the electoral process, how
00:05:40will it continue? How will that relationship
00:05:44continue with Flavio Bolsonaro in between and a United States that
00:05:48receives and protects him after all when he is sought
00:05:52by the Brazilian justice system, so that's how it
00:05:55is in our Latin America, on a Sunday you can be a
00:05:59presidential candidate and on Tuesday a fugitive from
00:06:03justice, we will be talking about that, we also revisit
00:06:06the topic of Ecuador that remains
00:06:09pending analysis and understanding.
00:06:13What was done with a video in which
00:06:17the case of Luisa González is discussed
00:06:19completely, when there is still no
00:06:23sentence and the process is still ongoing,
00:06:26the trial, those are the two topics tonight, let's start, if you agree, with
00:06:30Ecuador.
00:06:36So I ask you to join me from this moment on by using the hashtag Conclu González, the
00:06:40hashtag is Conclu González, your comments on my account.
00:06:42x @soyfdelrincón
00:06:44@soyfdelrincón
00:06:48The hypothesis being investigated by the prosecutor's office points to the
00:06:51entry of cash from Venezuela that would have
00:06:55financed the 2023 presidential campaign of the
00:06:59duo Luisa González and Andrés
00:07:01Arauz.
00:07:04As you heard, that's a small fragment, it's a high-ranking official of the
00:07:08Ecuadorian government who published that video on Friday on his X account.
00:07:13In which, in quotation marks,
00:07:15he explains the case for which former presidential candidate
00:07:19Luisa González was arrested, it is part, I want to
00:07:24the administration of President Daniel Noboa, that
00:07:27is, it is part of the executive branch, not the
00:07:31prosecutor's office, not the Public Ministry, which is responsible for directing
00:07:34the prosecutor's office, with full
00:07:37autonomy, the investigation
00:07:40before, during.
00:07:43uh criminal proceedings and until a sentence, a final
00:07:47determination is reached, it is the prosecutor's office with full autonomy.
00:07:50Now, we are talking about the case called Labyrinth, if you didn't
00:07:54know, possible corruption, money laundering,
00:07:58is being investigated, in this video of almost 7 minutes that has
00:08:01editing, that many content creators would
00:08:03wish for, it is starring Ana Paula Patiño,
00:08:07who is Ana Paula Patiño? She is the general director of the financial
00:08:10economic analysis unit.
00:08:13You see, Ana Paula Patiño is practically the director of
00:08:17that unit that is responsible for monitoring and
00:08:20investigating financial and economic issues, such as money
00:08:24laundering. So, also in that video is the Secretary
00:08:28of Public Administration, Planning and Cabinet, who is José Julio
00:08:31Neira, who
00:08:34Luisa González is accused of,
00:08:36listen. The evidence is in the
00:08:40chats, on June
00:08:4226, 2023, a collaborator in the
00:08:45investigation wrote to a contact
00:08:48identified on his cell phone as Aquiles Álvarez
00:08:521, he asked him about the overall campaign
00:08:55budget.
00:08:59The proof is in the chats, it says: not only that, on several
00:09:03occasions both Neira and Patiño speak of the
00:09:05implicated, and they are careful to identify them as
00:09:09alleged and presumed, even using verbs in
00:09:12conditional like "would have". In the
00:09:15video description, Neira states it, unconditionally,
00:09:19I will quote her textually, open quotes. Luisa has been
00:09:23arrested for financing her campaign with money without verifiable
00:09:26justification, outside the law. Close
00:09:28quotes. Condemnatory,
00:09:32completely condemnatory. It doesn't say that it's being
00:09:35investigated, but rather it takes for granted that
00:09:39Luisa has been arrested for financing her
00:09:42campaign. with money without verifiable justification outside the
00:09:45law for financing her campaign with money without
00:09:49there is no room for
00:09:52investigation this reviewing evidence uh
00:09:55to prove it is not for financing her campaign
00:09:59decisive no this in reference to the
00:10:04the main accused, Luisa González, the
00:10:08main opposition
00:10:11of the current government of the.
00:10:14The leader of the Correa-aligned opposition, a
00:10:18figure very close to former president Rafael Correa,
00:10:21anyway, let's see, as we informed you, González was arrested on
00:10:25Thursday, yes, it was within the framework of
00:10:27the labyrinth, the defense denies that there is evidence linking
00:10:31González to the alleged illicit contributions and has already appealed the pre-trial
00:10:35detention because she was given pre-trial detention. On
00:10:38Friday, lawyer Diego Guarderas told me here
00:10:41that they rejected the accusations, uh, that
00:10:44he ruled out that they have technical elements, that he hadn't
00:10:47even seen the file and
00:10:51he reproached that the case was being handled on what he called a completely
00:10:55tilted playing field.
00:10:58Let's see, it will be up to justice to determine if there are sufficient elements to sustain the
00:11:02accusation, but it has not proven it yet,
00:11:06yes, there are many elements of proof possibly, but
00:11:09from there to it having been proven, that point has not yet
00:11:12been reached, but while that
00:11:15happens, the government, then the
00:11:17government has already disseminated its own version of the case
00:11:21according to the findings they have and that they should have delivered to the...
00:11:25prosecutor's office and surely they did,
00:11:28but there are many, many important articles that we will talk about during the
00:11:32interview, no, in fact the president of Ecuador
00:11:35Daniel also contributed to this
00:11:38narrative, he affirmed without presenting evidence from the president that
00:11:42correísmo has been financed with money from drug trafficking and organized
00:11:44crime, it is a declaration, it is not a
00:11:48proven fact, it is an accusation that has not
00:11:54justice. He says: if there are elements to make this accusation and it
00:11:58has to be resolved in court, it must be done,
00:12:00definitely, but saying it without
00:12:04substantiating it, that's another
00:12:06story.
00:12:08He said that there are indications against Luisa González, although in the end
00:12:12he acknowledged that the trial and more information are still needed, which is the
00:12:16correct thing to do, it is prudent, it is coherent,
00:12:19it is to respect the separation of powers,
00:12:22yes, he pointed out.
00:12:25Alleged links with criminal gangs, here former president Rafael Correa, is a
00:12:29fugitive from justice, Rafael Correa, we must be
00:12:31clear,
00:12:33we must be clear, Rafael Correa is a fugitive from Ecuadorian justice,
00:12:37Correa has rejected all the accusations, etc., he reiterates his support
00:12:40for González, he has criticized the government of Noboa, so there is an
00:12:43evident clash between
00:12:47the opposition, represented by Rafael Correa, Luisa González and the president's
00:12:50government, but one cannot fall into a narrative in which
00:12:54one seeks to influence public
00:12:57opinion, to condemn or to lynch a person
00:13:01in the media when there is still no ruling from the
00:13:03justice system, why not? Because then it gives all the
00:13:07justification to that opposition that accuses political
00:13:10persecution,
00:13:12justice still has to determine criminal responsibilities, but in
00:13:16political terrain it seems they are anticipating a
00:13:20verdict, building a
00:13:23narrative,
00:13:26offering what not even the Public Ministry itself has
00:13:28offered,
00:13:31what is the intention, and why has it not been done in other
00:13:33cases?
00:13:36No, this comment and this question I made, had great
00:13:40repercussions in Ecuador, and I personally know, I have the
00:13:44pleasure of personally knowing José Julio Neira, who is the Secretary
00:13:48General of Public Administration of Ecuador, of
00:13:51course the space is always open for everyone who wants to be here, and
00:13:55kindly José Julio accepts to be here to
00:13:58explain to us and contrast what was done in that
00:14:02video with what perhaps should not have
00:14:06been done or why it was done and they had the right and reason to
00:14:10do it, to clarify all this and give
00:14:13transparency to this accusation that is being made
00:14:17about trying to influence public opinion and mediatically
00:14:20lynch someone who is not yet found guilty, namely Luisa
00:14:24González and the others involved, what will José
00:14:27Julio have to say about this, I will listen with great
00:14:30pleasure after the break, he is ready, he is the Secretary General of Public
00:14:33Administration of Ecuador, I'll be back with him.
00:14:51The fight this time is that...
00:14:55The administration wants a sharp cut in interest
00:14:58rates to boost the
00:15:01economy, but the Fed, which has price stability
00:15:05as one of its two mandates, that is, to protect us from
00:15:08inflation, believes that if it does that, if it makes a
00:15:12sharp cut, it would trigger inflation,
00:15:16and a scenario with growth problems and at the same time
00:15:19inflation, that is, what is called
00:15:21stagflation, that is precisely what... the Fed
00:15:25wants to avoid from Paulo
00:15:28de Jerome
00:15:29Powell.
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00:18:02I welcome José Julio Neira, Secretary General of Public Administration
00:18:06of Ecuador. José Julio. Welcome, thank you for agreeing to be here on the
00:18:09program. Fernando, good evening, what we are
00:18:13fighting against in Ecuador is a corrupt practice of Chavismo,
00:18:16Maduroism and Correísmo that you have denounced so much in the last
00:18:2020 years and that last Friday you presented as political
00:18:24persecution, here I want you to allow me to clarify several
00:18:28points that you mentioned on Friday, October 23rd, that
00:18:31lasted 4 minutes and today you have lasted 10
00:18:34minutes.
00:18:37José, let me, but I have to make a clarification, I did not
00:18:40present anything as political persecution, I
00:18:44conveyed the opposition's accusation that it is political
00:18:47persecution, okay, just to clarify,
00:18:50go ahead, Fernando, here the important thing is to make known
00:18:54the reason why the Labyrinth
00:18:58case occurred,
00:19:01you said on your Friday show that we crossed a red
00:19:04line, that the separation of powers was erased, and that
00:19:08if the government investigated that a crime was committed, you also
00:19:12spoke of impartiality and that our report came out before the prosecutor's
00:19:15office, among other points and I consider it very
00:19:19important to respond in parts, first, the government of the
00:19:22new Ecuador led by President Noboa did not cross any red
00:19:25line, what we have broken is the shielding and impunity
00:19:29of the corrupt, two, you pointed out that the
00:19:33separation of powers was erased, this government did not erase it, the
00:19:36Correísta government erased it 15 years ago, proof of this
00:19:40is that the Comptroller, Mr.
00:19:4315 minutes from your
00:19:45studio, serving a sentence for money laundering in
00:19:49the United States, you also mentioned that if
00:19:53the government investigated, a crime was committed, on the
00:19:56contrary, it is my duty, it is the cabinet's
00:19:59duty to comply with Ecuadorians, the government was
00:20:03responsible for reviewing, because the UAFE is the financial
00:20:07intelligence unit, it belongs to the executive
00:20:11branch and exists to detect money laundering, transparency in
00:20:14political financing, which is the important
00:20:18thing I want to emphasize, is a
00:20:20matter that must be clarified with evidence, and that is
00:20:24determined by the prosecutor's office. José Julio, but José Julio, but
00:20:27let's not get confused, I agree with you here no one is questioning
00:20:31the work that the financial investigation unit has to do, no one is
00:20:35questioning that, they have to do it. What we are talking about is an opinion
00:20:39matrix. I will give you so we can go
00:20:43in parts, not as you say, on the 22nd, let me
00:20:46finish, I have two more points that you mentioned on Friday.
00:20:53Yours and I'll go with mine to
00:20:55move forward, now I'll give you a chance to address those two points, now I'll go with the points you
00:20:59just mentioned, on October 22nd, Luisa was arrested,
00:21:03on October 23rd in the morning you released
00:21:07this video and on October 23rd
00:21:10after you released the video, it was that the prosecutor's office informed of the
00:21:14filing of charges,
00:21:18before that, what happened? The correct information. The video, let me finish,
00:21:22let me finish, because here I go, you talked about impartiality, impartiality
00:21:26must be demanded
00:21:29from judges, in the government of Ecuador it is
00:21:32our responsibility to combat corruption wherever
00:21:35it comes from, complaints have been made, yes, about many public
00:21:39officials, because you also mentioned it to me, you also
00:21:42mentioned that our report came out before the prosecutor's office and you
00:21:45just said it, the prosecutor supported and
00:21:48filed charges. Since October 22nd at
00:21:5211 p.m. the hearing was installed where not only the
00:21:56implicated party had access, all the
00:21:59judges, the prosecutor presented her case with all the evidence,
00:22:02all the elements of conviction were exhibited, the
00:22:06indictment statement came out after
00:22:09your video, no sir, the indictment statement
00:22:13comes out after your video, no sir, the
00:22:16Attorney General's Office communicated.
00:22:20Everything happened from the raid
00:22:23to the formulation of charges where all
00:22:26elements of conviction were exhibited, this
00:22:29was not new for lawyers or for the media,
00:22:33we have not crossed a red line
00:22:37as you also mentioned on Friday, the
00:22:39chronology is clear, I'm going to tell you, I'm going to
00:22:43tell you not what I say, I'm going to tell you not what I say, I'm going to tell you what
00:22:47the law says so that then you can
00:22:50tell me, this
00:22:53uh, or well, I don't know, justify or
00:22:57defense regarding, for example, Article
00:23:0022 which talks about the reservation of information, which
00:23:04states that reports of suspicious operations and the information
00:23:07contained in the UAFE databases are
00:23:10confidential and secret, the
00:23:13exchange of information is allowed, but subject to
00:23:16legal limitations, procedures, and requirements, it does not constitute
00:23:20a general authorization to disclose individualized
00:23:23files through videos on social networks, what do you have to say about that
00:23:27Article 22, didn't they violate it? Fernando,
00:23:31Article 22 refers to reports of
00:23:34unusual operations, in the video we never referred to a
00:23:38report of unusual operation, but rather to suspicious
00:23:41transactional patterns of alleged money
00:23:45laundering, this is not new for Correísmo, you have the Angostura
00:23:48case in
00:23:52financing for campaigns, you have the bribes case,
00:23:55you have the sucre case, you have the
00:23:58metastasis case, this is not new for Correísmo,
00:24:02this is the same modus
00:24:05operandi of a political party that is
00:24:07used by organized crime to
00:24:11achieve impunity,
00:24:14I have not broken the seal of confidentiality which is what you are
00:24:17trying to mention,
00:24:21that was never broken, no, I wasn't trying, I'm quoting the
00:24:24articles so you can tell me how you justify them, I'm going now
00:24:28to Article 23, the obligation of secrecy obliges
00:24:32UAFE officials to keep confidential information and financial
00:24:35analyses known by reason of their positions secret, it establishes
00:24:39serious administrative consequences for the improper
00:24:43disclosure or use of information classified as confidential
00:24:46or secret, without excluding possible civil or
00:24:50criminal liabilities, I ask you, is there
00:24:53documentary support from the prosecutor's office that the information you reveal
00:24:56in that video is not confidential,
00:24:59secret or that it could alter the investigation?
00:25:03Fernando, at the moment that the hearing for the
00:25:07formulation of charges was activated at 11 p.m. on
00:25:11October 22nd, the confidentiality of the case was lost,
00:25:15since all the elements of conviction were
00:25:18communicated by the prosecution to the lady and the
00:25:22defense team, there is a
00:25:25very important point that you did not mention, who defended
00:25:28her as her lawyer, Mr. Alexis Mera,
00:25:32this was in prison, not only for the
00:25:35bribes case, but also for the Chevron case, a case that Ecuadorians
00:25:39are still paying millions of
00:25:42dollars for, that is a coincidence that you failed to mention on October
00:25:4623rd in your program, obviously it did not fit the narrative you were trying
00:25:50to make. Here's a coincidence that I don't want to miss,
00:25:53the blackout case, where
00:25:57was your video with the blackout case, why isn't there a video
00:26:00from you with the blackout case?
00:26:10Where there was presumed damage to the
00:26:13state, why wasn't there a video to explain that, of course?
00:26:17I repeat, Fernando, there were four videos published about the
00:26:20blackout case, not only that, from President Noboa's
00:26:24government, we filed a complaint in the
00:26:27Florida courts, where some lawyers that were hired
00:26:31by Select are following up in
00:26:34the United States where the brother of Progen's
00:26:37CEO already denounced before not only the prosecutor
00:26:41but also uh in pardon in the in the
00:26:45US prosecutor's office that his brother committed an irregular
00:26:48act that he gave bribes to judges to
00:26:51rule in favor of Progen, I love that you mentioned
00:26:54the Blackout case because I want to invite you to
00:26:57check my social media so you can see everything we have
00:27:01communicated. with transparency and integrity, because President Daniel's
00:27:05government has also communicated it,
00:27:09we just need to
00:27:12just, just need to communicate the transactions from the Swiss
00:27:15account that we still haven't received the information, but it's something we follow
00:27:18up day and
00:27:22night until we find all the alleged
00:27:25involved in the
00:27:28blackout case,
00:27:30the last article I cite for you to
00:27:32justify it is 17 in subsections
00:27:36i, j and n, the specific functions of the
00:27:39UAFE, the law establishes that the UAFE must communicate the resultsTELEVISION NEWS TRANSCRIPT:
00:27:43of its operational analyses to the prosecutor's office through secure
00:27:47and protected channels, respond to requests from the prosecutor's
00:27:50office through reasoned reports, preserving the confidentiality of information,
00:27:54develop policies and procedures that guarantee the security and
00:27:57confidentiality of the data it obtains, you
00:28:01took out a
00:28:03lot of information that I ask you, do you have written
00:28:06support from the prosecutor's office that authorized the publication
00:28:10of everything that was published? Whose decision
00:28:13was it? Fernando, point one, the confidentiality
00:28:16of the information has not been broken. Two,
00:28:20the video supports patterns of behavior of
00:28:24money laundering
00:28:26operandi that Correismo has used, I mentioned
00:28:29it since 2007. Since
00:28:33the Ngozura case, the same pattern is
00:28:36being used again, it is a
00:28:39technical explanation, I have been dedicated to the prevention of money laundering for the
00:28:43last 17 years and I have not broken the
00:28:47secrecy of the confidentiality of the information, because if you
00:28:50saw the information that is there, you would understand more clearly why a
00:28:54judge decided to give her preventive
00:28:56detention.
00:28:59Okay, now, to not extend myself further and continue
00:29:03with the citations, there are many more articles, even in international justice,
00:29:06no, but to not extend myself further, of all this matter,
00:29:10José Julio was approved in 2025 and I promoted it
00:29:13because I was the director in charge of the UAFE
00:29:17and its UAFE
00:29:19regulations,
00:29:21I know that you were in charge of the UAFE, now the crux of
00:29:25all this is the following,
00:29:28this publication, this publication
00:29:31seems. yes, they use the legal words of the
00:29:35hypothetical case and so on, but there are parts that seem to
00:29:39be trying to close
00:29:42something that has not yet been closed, that seems to be already
00:29:46sentencing Luisa González Julio to guilt,
00:29:49then the opposition comes and says: this is the
00:29:53example, the lawyer said it on Friday, this is the example of what
00:29:57they do to generate a narrative and a public opinion
00:30:00against our represented party, are
00:30:04you trying to build a narrative, a narrative line that once and for
00:30:08all sentences someone who is still in process, José
00:30:10Julio. Fernando, the fight
00:30:13against money laundering is not political
00:30:16persecution, it is to end the impunity that Correismo
00:30:20left entrenched in this
00:30:23country more than 15 years ago. President
00:30:26Noboa was chosen to give security to the country and
00:30:30to improve the quality of life of Ecuadorians with
00:30:34education and with job opportunities and his cabinet
00:30:37works day and night to what, to fulfill the
00:30:41president's word, but you didn't answer me, José Julio, but you didn't
00:30:44answer me, are you trying to build a narrative in public opinion where
00:30:48Luisa González is already guilty,
00:30:51Fernando, I have seen you since I was 15 years old giving
00:30:54news, I know the way you interview and I
00:30:58am not going to fall into whether it is a narrative or not, my
00:31:01responsibility as general secretary of public
00:31:05administration is to inform Ecuadorians of the
00:31:08progress we have made.