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00:00:00as just
00:00:02mentioned, the government's economic guidelines for the period
00:00:062029 aim to support economic
00:00:09recovery, stabilize public
00:00:13finances, and sustainably fund
00:00:16national priorities.
00:00:20This, Honorable President, dear
00:00:22colleagues,
00:00:25is the subject of the observations made in the form of concerns
00:00:29recorded in the report. the Economy and
00:00:32Finance Committee,
00:00:36this is how,
00:00:39with the authorization of the Honorable President of the National
00:00:42Assembly,
00:00:44we would like to give the floor to the Honorable
00:00:47Rapporteur
00:00:49so that she may proceed to read
00:00:52the introduction
00:00:57of the presentation of the matter,
00:01:01and water and that she goes directly to the
00:01:02sectors with a view to concern. Mr. Prime Minister, having completely emptied
00:01:04will obtain the contents of our report, we thank him
00:01:08for that,
00:01:10Honorable President, this is what we had to say, if
00:01:13that
00:01:16is the opinion, so that we only proceed to read
00:01:19the introduction, the presentation of the matter
00:01:247. Modalities of and the observations of the committee
00:01:25reduction and presented in the form of concerns, thank you,
00:01:29President of the Republic, Head of thank you. Is the proposed procedure
00:01:32by the Honorable
00:01:35President of the Economy and
00:01:39Finance Committee
00:01:41acceptable to you? And therefore adopted. President of the Committee, you have the
00:01:45floor, and you have the
00:01:489. Underfunding of right to give the floor to the Honorable Rapporteur. Honorable
00:01:51and health, case of Rapporteur, for the reading of the report, please. Thank you.
00:01:55Thank you, Honorable President. I will therefore
00:01:58proceed with the reading of the report, report number 62,
00:02:03upstream oil sector despite concerning the examination of budget documentation for the purpose of
00:02:07budget orientation
00:02:08debate.
00:02:11Introduction: The Economy,
00:02:15Finance, and Budget Execution Control Committee met from
00:02:19July 26 to 31, 2026, in
00:02:22room 028 of the National Assembly
00:02:25headquarters, under the direction of its president,
00:02:29the Honorable Maurice Mavoungou, to
00:02:31examine the budget documentation received from the
00:02:34government for
00:02:36the underfunding of the organization of the budget orientation
00:02:39debate. The
00:02:42exploitation of Honorable Members of the Committee participated in the work, as listed
00:02:46the case of Marien Ngouabi University and the below, conferlist.
00:02:49indeed a gold market Presentation of the matter. The budget orientation
00:02:52debate is an exercise
00:02:56parliamentary group of that was instituted by the organic law on finance laws.
00:03:00In its article 10, which notably states
00:03:03that: Each year, no later than
00:03:07May 30, the government transmits to parliament the
00:03:10medium-term framework documents, defining article
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00:03:17medium-term budget framework and medium-term expenditure framework,
00:03:20accompanied by a report on the macroeconomic
00:03:24situation and one on
00:03:27the execution of the budget for the current year, after
00:03:32is said here, underfunding of examination and adoption by the Council of Ministers. Based
00:03:35on these documents and reports, parliament
00:03:39innovation and organizes, before July 1, a budget orientation debate in
00:03:43public sessions. This debate does not lead to a
00:03:47vote. The introduction of these
00:03:50provisions into the budget law
00:03:53drafting process gives more
00:03:57power to parliament, which previously only intervened
00:04:00in the budget procedure when the draft budget law was
00:04:04transmitted to it for examination and
00:04:07adoption.
00:04:09This positioning at the end of the budget
00:04:13drafting chain for the State had the
00:04:17disadvantage of focusing the attention of
00:04:20parliamentarians on the issues related to the
00:04:23allocation of resources and
00:04:26avoiding debates on the objectives of budget
00:04:30policy. Today, parliament
00:04:35for financing the electricity is endowed with the power to act on budget policy
00:04:38improving access upstream, because and water the interest of debating budget sectors with a view to
00:04:41policy is of less importance
00:04:45when the draft finance law is already finalized and
00:04:49transmitted to parliament during its budget
00:04:51session.
00:04:56Concern.
00:05:00The committee discusses the following
00:05:03concerns: 1. Non-
00:05:06transmission to parliament of medium-term expenditure frameworks
00:05:10by nature,
00:05:13by function, and by ministry, in accordance with
00:05:16article 9, paragraph 2 of the
00:05:20organic law on finance laws.
00:05:232. Absence in the
00:05:26CBMT of the budgetary implications related to the
00:05:30mobilization of revenues from natural resources
00:05:33in application of the production-sharing regimes
00:05:37contained in the mining and forestry code.
00:05:403. Realism of anticipated
00:05:42revenues from the gas sector in the absence
00:05:46of a gas code. 4.
00:05:50Underestimation of oil revenues (cargo
00:05:53sales, unitization, commercialization,
00:05:57bonuses) with a recurrent gap of 2 billion per
00:06:00year. Consequence: possible
00:06:03alteration of budget programming.
00:06:075. Financing strategy
00:06:11for the electricity
00:06:14improving access to and the quality of public services,
00:06:18as well as the list of main projects to be
00:06:21financed in the next three years.
00:06:256. Necessity to integrate the completion of accelerated
00:06:28municipalization into the CBMT
00:06:312027-2029.
00:06:38optimization of a public debt permanently
00:06:41higher than
00:06:458. Priority recruitment into the civil service
00:06:49of agents already working in certain structures but not
00:06:53covered by the state (health,
00:06:56finance, education, etc.).
00:07:00higher education
00:07:04Marien Ngouabi University and the
00:07:06CHU.
00:07:09B. Relevance of continuing the application of
00:07:13VAT to the
00:07:16the exemption provided for in the Hydrocarbons Code,
00:07:20Article 165.
00:07:2311. Modalities for implementing the
00:07:26following strategic actions: CBMT
00:07:29page 50, privatization or
00:07:33opening of capital of public enterprises,
00:07:36support for companies owned more than 50%
00:07:40by Congolese. Establishment
00:07:43of a performance management system
00:07:46to modernize and rationalize
00:07:49public action.
00:07:51Agreed.
00:07:57Okay, Honorable President, please,
00:08:01yes, we will stop the reading of our report there. The
00:08:04conclusion will be read after the Prime
00:08:07Minister and possibly the committee have
00:08:11provided responses
00:08:13to the observations or opinions
00:08:17of our colleagues from this plenary
00:08:21session. The conclusion will be read following
00:08:24this debate. Thank you. Thank you, that is
00:08:27noted. After the
00:08:31presentation of the conclusions of the work by the
00:08:33committee, Honorable
00:08:35Secretary,
00:08:38you have the floor to open
00:08:41the list of
00:08:43speakers.
00:08:47Thank you, Honorable
00:08:48President. I'll start with my
00:08:52left.
00:08:57Your left.
00:09:01Across from you.
00:09:04Honorable.
00:09:52Still across from me, speaking to my
00:09:54right, no, he has deputies
00:09:57on his
00:10:00right, he has
00:10:01no one on his right.
00:10:09Honorable President, three speakers, Honorable.
00:10:35Thank
00:10:35you very much,
00:10:40Honorable N'Ganda, you have the
00:10:41floor.
00:10:46Well, thank you, Honorable
00:10:48President.
00:10:51Uh,
00:10:53given the time, Honorable President, you know that the
00:10:57government is expected in the Senate, and there is a time problem
00:11:01that arises. I would like to speak
00:11:05here on behalf of the
00:11:08parliamentary group of the presidential
00:11:10majority.
00:11:14There was a very restricted
00:11:18consultation, and we
00:11:21will take into account what was
00:11:25done by the committee and what
00:11:29we will say
00:11:30here.
00:11:33No, President, I would like to begin by congratulating the
00:11:36committee and the government who
00:11:39have done a very commendable
00:11:41job, because there is
00:11:45an evident
00:11:47coherence between the social
00:11:50project of the State,
00:11:56the government's action plan that was
00:11:59presented here and the future
00:12:03national development plan and budget under
00:12:06construction.
00:12:10No, President, we agree with
00:12:14the concerns that were raised here
00:12:17by the committee and
00:12:20which the government should
00:12:23largely take into
00:12:26account. But to these concerns,
00:12:30I would like to add two
00:12:33things:
00:12:37upon reading the texts that we have
00:12:40concerning the markets for
00:12:44raw materials,
00:12:46it listed a number of raw materials here: Brent,
00:12:50roundwood, sawn timber, copper,
00:12:53zinc. But in our
00:12:56country today, a real problem arises in our
00:12:59ecosystems. They are degraded
00:13:03everywhere, uncontrolled
00:13:07gold.
00:13:09The populations would like to know if there is
00:13:14in our country,
00:13:18because the devastated areas are not
00:13:20restored. But if it is
00:13:23for the national interest of
00:13:27Congo, then those who exploit gold, if they
00:13:31profit from it, they must indeed carry out
00:13:34restoration work. That is why in the concerns, this
00:13:37issue of gold exploitation should
00:13:41be taken into account.
00:13:44On the last page, page 18 of
00:13:47the concerns,
00:13:50concern 9, we
00:13:53suggest adding: to what
00:13:57higher education. We must
00:13:59say of scientific research and technological
00:14:04health. The
00:14:07cases mentioned here are not
00:14:09exhaustive. Scientific research is strategic,
00:14:13we must add it here. And
00:14:15then,
00:14:17point 11, it is well
00:14:19formulated, but we want to
00:14:22draw attention
00:14:26of the government to the fact
00:14:27that
00:14:30we have great business
00:14:32leaders
00:14:35who even operate here in Congo,
00:14:38but who have been strongly supported by the
00:14:42government.
00:14:45We know what President Obasanjo does in
00:14:49Nigeria,
00:14:51and Dangote, who is also here among us, did not come from
00:14:55nothing.
00:14:58We know in South Africa, the Ramaphosas, what they are
00:15:02today, it's because they had strong
00:15:06support from their government. That's why I
00:15:09would like us to add to our concerns the promotion
00:15:12of a class of business leaders, because it is business leaders who create
00:15:16jobs. We have a lot of problems with youth underemployment,
00:15:19but if there are many business leaders
00:15:23in the country,
00:15:25and if it is organized, I believe that we will
00:15:28effectively fight
00:15:31against the small problems that we have here. The government cannot
00:15:35alone deal with these
00:15:39pressing issues in our country.
00:15:43Honorable President, I thank
00:15:44you.
00:15:49Thank you, Honorable Niga
00:15:52Makanda.
00:15:57Bidunga, you have the
00:15:58floor.
00:16:02I'm not there. President, thank you for the floor
00:16:06granted. Our President, we
00:16:09followed with great
00:16:12attention
00:16:16everything that the Prime Minister told
00:16:20us here.
00:16:24to question two aspects:
00:16:27When the Prime Minister talks about the growth
00:16:29rate of Congolese
00:16:33oil, I have the distinct
00:16:35impression that he does
00:16:38not present
00:16:41forestry exploitation,
00:16:44mining exploitation, and even
00:16:48gas, as if our country no longer produced gas, as
00:16:51if our country no longer exploited wood, as if our
00:16:55country no longer exploited mines. What exactly
00:16:58is the projection on these three things? What exactly
00:17:01is it?
00:17:06The second aspect of my intervention concerns the
00:17:10country's debt relief. There too, I did not
00:17:13quite understand when the Prime Minister talks about the country's
00:17:16debt relief, and towards the
00:17:19end of his speech, he states that the country will
00:17:22again negotiate with the IMF, if I understand his
00:17:26approach correctly. In reality, Mr. Prime Minister
00:17:29talks about the country's external
00:17:32debt relief, but what about the internal debt?
00:17:35What are we doing about the internal
00:17:39debt?
00:17:43I believe that all these concerns must
00:17:47be taken into account, especially
00:17:50when it comes to internal debt. Everyone
00:17:53suffers from it, even we
00:17:56ourselves here, we
00:17:59all Congolese suffer from
00:18:02it. So, we must take that into
00:18:05account. President, thank you very much.
00:18:11Thank you, Honorable Bidunga. Honorable
00:18:14President,
00:18:21thank you, Honorable President, for the
00:18:24floor. In principle,
00:18:28when the President of the
00:18:33the majority spoke on behalf
00:18:38of the majority, I should have remained
00:18:41silent,
00:18:43but
00:18:45there is a
00:18:49concern that
00:18:52is bothering me. I
00:18:56would like, given that I am facing the
00:19:00government, I would like to come
00:19:04back to two points,
00:19:07please. I will start by abundantly congratulating
00:19:11the
00:19:13government,
00:19:16and then also abundantly the
00:19:18committee which has provided us with a
00:19:22work which always
00:19:24provides us with relevant
00:19:26work.
00:19:30The first intervention
00:19:34regarding
00:19:37the... I would simply like to know
00:19:41a little bit,
00:19:44uh, the government as well as the committee
00:19:47used the expression
00:19:50"deepening social
00:19:53rights." What is "deepening social
00:19:56rights"? I also have the right to understand
00:20:00well. No, I
00:20:02would like to know what "deepening
00:20:05social rights"
00:20:08means.
00:20:11Because among social rights,
00:20:14if I exclude the right to
00:20:17electricity,
00:20:19the right to water,
00:20:23I would like to perhaps suggest
00:20:26that these two rights be
00:20:29prioritized, but
00:20:33water, we have problems
00:20:36with it, especially in the
00:20:39rural areas of the country. The "water for
00:20:43all" project, we can give
00:20:46priority to the problem.
00:20:50"Water for all" was a
00:20:53project that was welcomed
00:20:55by
00:20:57all the people of our country,
00:21:01because this project
00:21:03overcame all the obstacles of the
00:21:07republic. Today, the
00:21:10scenario that we
00:21:13see does not
00:21:16honor us, and I would like the
00:21:20government to also take
00:21:23this right as
00:21:25a priority,
00:21:28in the same way, the right to
00:21:31electricity. When I say
00:21:34that,
00:21:37I thank the Honorable President for granting
00:21:40me the floor. Thank you, thank you
00:21:43very much.
00:21:48Those who have asked for the floor,
00:21:55President of the Committee, I give you
00:21:59the floor for your answers. Thank you, President. Thanks to
00:22:02colleagues
00:22:05who have asked for some
00:22:08clarifications
00:22:11regarding this debate that we have
00:22:15called
00:22:17political.
00:22:20One only needs to look at the quality of the
00:22:21interventions. Yes,
00:22:24President N'Ganda was concerned
00:22:27about one of our raw materials, which
00:22:31is gold. Well, the table presented in the
00:22:35report is taken from the medium-term
00:22:39budget framework,
00:22:41and its source
00:22:45is the World Bank.
00:22:48So this table, as
00:22:50drafted with commodity
00:22:54prices, has the World
00:22:58Bank as its source. It is not a production of the government
00:23:01and even less of the committee.
00:23:04So we will certainly have to find
00:23:08answers,
00:23:10but we relied on the documents
00:23:14transmitted by the government. The government transmitted to us to prepare this
00:23:18budget orientation debate the:
00:23:20medium-term budget and on, it is
00:23:23on that basis that we produced this
00:23:27report by
00:23:31taking this table which is contained, I think, on
00:23:34page 27
00:23:37of the CBMT, so the medium-term budget
00:23:40framework.
00:23:46Yes, President N'Ganda Makanda
00:23:50was concerned about the support that can be
00:23:53provided to Congolese because,
00:23:56uh,
00:23:59this concern is shared by many members of the government
00:24:02who think that we should
00:24:06uh have or
00:24:08we must create captains of industry in our
00:24:12country. When we started with
00:24:15the special economic zones, it was the ambition of the
00:24:18President of the Republic
00:24:21to ensure that from the special
00:24:24economic zones, a captaincy
00:24:27of industries would emerge in the country. This is why the
00:24:31government,
00:24:34in its approach for the next three years,
00:24:36plans to support companies owned
00:24:40more than 50% by
00:24:41Congolese.
00:24:44We should encourage this
00:24:48will expressed by the government.
00:24:50Support to go further than the
00:24:53intention.
00:25:01Honorable
00:25:03Bidunga, thank you very much, you have joined
00:25:07us regarding the concern
00:25:10expressed concerning the expected revenues from natural
00:25:13resources, namely the gas
00:25:17sector,
00:25:20which still does not have codes. The question was asked,
00:25:22the mining and
00:25:26forestry codes that
00:25:28exist with specific
00:25:31provisions
00:25:33so that finally the production sharing contract
00:25:36regime can be applied in this
00:25:39sector.
00:25:41You asked the question, you are right, I think
00:25:44that the government will even be concerned about it in the
00:25:48next 3 years, because what we have stated are only
00:25:52observations, observations
00:25:56shared by the Honorable Bidunga regarding gas,
00:25:59wood, and mines.
00:26:10The Honorable President, we followed with great
00:26:14interest
00:26:14the
00:26:19government's already expressed desire, since May 11th
00:26:23last year,
00:26:26to conclude a new
00:26:27program
00:26:30with the IMF. In any case, for the committee, the committee
00:26:34supports this desire,
00:26:37supports this
00:26:39project to conclude a new program. In
00:26:43the introductory note, we reminded you that finally in our country, we were
00:26:47able to carry out a program with the
00:26:50IMF, and we concluded it brilliantly with
00:26:54success.
00:26:59This program, if we sign it, Honorable
00:27:03the Prime Minister said it, we
00:27:07from the partners what are called budgetary support,
00:27:11and this budgetary support will come, will be among
00:27:15other sources
00:27:18of financing to
00:27:21proceed with the country's debt
00:27:24relief, and therefore probably the internal
00:27:27debt as you mentioned, but it is a whole process, so
00:27:30Mr. President,
00:27:33please, thank you for noting
00:27:37that the government has expressed to the
00:27:39IMF its desire to conclude a
00:27:43new program with the IMF since May
00:27:4611th, and in principle, the IMF experts should
00:27:50arrive in our country so that we can go a little faster.
00:27:52President
00:27:58Bati Bénois, President Tibénois,
00:28:02ah no, first, President Dinga Makanda, we have not exhausted his
00:28:06concern about the
00:28:08underfunding of a
00:28:11number of sectors. We agree
00:28:15with you, to be consistent, we should
00:28:18associate higher education with scientific research and
00:28:21innovation. We agree with President Denga
00:28:25Makkanda that we should make
00:28:28this correction in our report under the heading of
00:28:32"patient," in other words, concern number
00:28:359 should address
00:28:39higher education,
00:28:41scientific research, and health. But
00:28:45we deliberately chose
00:28:48l'université marien ngowabi et du
00:28:50CHU
00:28:53to be a little more precise in finding
00:28:56solutions as early as the 2027 finance law. The purpose
00:29:00of this exercise is to prepare us so that the 2027
00:29:04finance law takes into account
00:29:08the orientations adopted during our
00:29:11discussions.
00:29:19President, we also join
00:29:22him in his concern regarding social rights. Well, it must first be said
00:29:25that
00:29:28what you noted regarding one of
00:29:31the missions
00:29:34outlined by the Prime Minister, Head of Government
00:29:37here at the end of June, I
00:29:40believe,
00:29:42is mission 9, mission
00:29:469 states the deepening of
00:29:50social rights, and President Bapti thinks
00:29:53that merely stating social rights is not enough.
00:29:57He believes it is necessary to be a bit more precise when discussing
00:30:00water and electricity.
00:30:04This is the question addressed to the government, but I think the 20
00:30:07missions have been completed, it's being translated now,
00:30:11it will be translated into a PND, while waiting for the PND to arrive,
00:30:15the PND should detail all of this to us, I
00:30:16think, but this is the
00:30:20commission's number 5 concern,
00:30:23the commission
00:30:26in its number 5 concern makes the
00:30:29following observation, demands...
00:30:34to implement a strategy
00:30:41and the quality of these public services
00:30:44as well as the list of main projects to be financed in
00:30:48the next three years. We went even
00:30:51further to ask the government
00:30:55to precisely list the
00:30:59projects that will be funded.