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00:00:12responds, as we said, to
00:01:05talking about a topic that, of course, has marked the news dynamic in recent
00:01:08days. The Brazilian government
00:01:11rejected this Tuesday the decision of the United States to
00:01:14modify the visa of its ambassador in Washington, Maria Lucia
00:01:18Vioti. Brasilia interpreted the
00:01:20in Brasilia, act as a political retaliation and denounced a deliberate
00:01:23escalation by the White House for ideological reasons and with a clear
00:01:27intention to interfere in an electoral process in Brazil.
00:01:31From the Executive led by Luis Ignacio Lula da Silva, they described
00:01:35the justifications presented by the
00:01:38Donald Trump administration as false. We are going to analyze this diplomatic
00:01:41pulse of Brazil in the face of pressure
00:01:45and threats from Washington, which seeks electoral interference, according to
00:01:48analysts, in that South American giant. But before the
00:01:51analysis, let me remind you that throughout the day, we polled
00:01:54the opinion of our users on social networks. Some of you have
00:01:58already participated, however, here is the
00:02:00the president of QR code in case you haven't done so that you can participate.
00:02:03The question says: The United States revokes the visa of the Brazilian ambassador and
00:02:07strains diplomatic relations with the South American giant. What is
00:02:11Washington's action responding to? There are the options, we
00:02:14invite you now to participate, your opinion is
00:02:17important.
00:02:21first presidents to
00:02:25Let's go immediately to the analysis. I am accompanied at a distance by Roberto
00:02:28Gular Meneces, professor of the Institute of International Relations of the
00:02:39represents, in diplomatic
00:02:42we have then terms, because the country that sends an ambassador first consults
00:02:46with the receiving nation of the candidacy before formally
00:02:50submitting the request and asking for the agreement to be granted, as it is called
00:02:54to its ambassador candidate. The United States, with this, skips that
00:02:58procedure. What can be said about all this impasse from a diplomatic
00:03:01point of view?
00:03:04For Brazil, it
00:03:07all the is an aggression against its sovereignty and also its
00:03:10independence, because the United States, the Trump
00:03:13government, in attempting to impose itself on
00:03:17diplomatic considerations, without considering the
00:03:20Vienna Convention of 1961
00:03:23on diplomatic relations,
00:03:27the United States is not respecting
00:03:31other difficulties on the Brazilian Brazil. So, on June 1st, Trump went
00:03:35on his social network and announced that Daniel
00:03:39Pérez would be the new ambassador of the United States
00:03:42in Brazil, but as the '61
00:03:46put the whole convention states, it is necessary that,
00:03:50first, a consultation
00:03:52we always aim with process begin with the Brazilian government.
00:03:55In this case, it becomes public who the ambassador will be,
00:03:58so.
00:04:11who severely criticized Washington's stance regarding the sending of its ambassador, demanded treatment of mutual
00:04:23does not, the United States did not attach importance to its embassy in Brazil because for a
00:04:27year and a half, while in power, they did not send a representative
00:04:30here, and now they try to send one and they believe that we have the obligation to accept it on the
00:04:34date they want, that is not correct nor possible, we
00:04:38want to be treated with respect.
00:04:42There was the Brazilian president,
00:04:45Roberto, the moment is not a coincidence, it is
00:04:48the south, today talking about evident
00:04:51that it has been seen in others, Brazil, the United
00:04:54States, since it started with its tariff hike against
00:04:58Brazil.
00:05:13eh support for candidate eh
00:05:16Bolsonaro, who is clearly the son of Jair
00:05:20Bolsonaro, who is in prison at this moment, under
00:05:23house arrest. So
00:05:26this house arrest,
00:05:29so this pursuit of Trump with
00:05:33protagonism is growing and now with this measure
00:05:36Trump sending an
00:05:39ambassador Daniel Perez. to
00:05:43try to get Daniel Perez to take over the embassy
00:05:47of Brazil before the
00:05:49elections, this could even represent
00:05:53that it is used to attack or try to
00:05:57influence the Brazilian political
00:06:00process, so Brazil
00:06:03no ambassador
00:06:05will have his credentials before
00:06:08the end, before the elections are closed.
00:06:12in Brazil, for the end of next October,
00:06:16and with that, the progress
00:06:19seems to me suspended, so
00:06:22Brazil has to be, the Brazilian authorities,
00:06:25the different powers, because
00:06:28Trump tries somehow
00:06:32in Brazil, no doubt, and Brazil has
00:06:35commented again that this is part of a
00:06:38political retaliation taking into account the proximity of the United States.
00:06:43with Yair Bolsonaro and, of course, in the next
00:06:46elections, we even saw polls of
00:06:49Brazilians saying that
00:06:52they blamed the Bolsonaro family for the tariffs
00:06:55imposed by the United States government.
00:06:59How will Brazil, Roberto, go into these elections,
00:07:02taking into account this whole scenario and, of course, the tension,
00:07:06not only diplomatic but also commercial, with the United
00:07:10States? Unlike
00:07:13Francisco, the 2022
00:07:16elections are now in power in the United
00:07:20States because in 2022 it was
00:07:22Biden, and with that Lula was elected
00:07:26and it was also a very tense election
00:07:30and Biden was one of the
00:07:33recognize Lula's victory, immediately after
00:07:37about an hour after the elections closed,
00:07:40about 40-50 countries
00:07:43had already recognized
00:07:46Lula as the president-elect of
00:07:50Brazil, this includes the seven G7
00:07:53countries, and with that, even in addition
00:07:57to the G7, China, and with
00:08:00that, we then had other
00:08:04attacks on democracy in Brazil
00:08:07which resulted in an attempted coup
00:08:11d'état
00:08:13on January 8, 2023, and
00:08:17now with
00:08:20difficulty we had in 2022, now
00:08:23this can also have another clear
00:08:26element, which is the Trump government, because Trump has already
00:08:30declared his support
00:08:33for candidate Flavio Bolsonaro,
00:08:36and with that, Trump
00:08:39can even try to impose
00:08:44government by the upcoming
00:08:47elections in October, so Brazil is on
00:08:51alert, the Brazilian government, the electoral
00:08:54authorities also, because we know that
00:08:57the United States has resources, has means to
00:09:01influence the political process in some
00:09:04way, and with that
00:09:07is the big difference between
00:09:102022
00:09:13and now is that Trump is
00:09:15determined to follow closely
00:09:19and can also make some
00:09:21movements or some actions that
00:09:24can make the Brazilian political
00:09:28process difficult, as you said, there is an alert, and President
00:09:32Luis Ignacio Lula da Silva said precisely that the state
00:09:36must be prepared to face any
00:09:39threat of foreign interference against the electoral process, let's go...
00:09:48Brazil is not only prepared but also will face anyone
00:09:52from outside who wants to interfere in our electoral process. There is something
00:09:56that needs to be made clear, I have said many times that I spoke with President
00:09:59Trump, that we are two men, there is something that needs
00:10:02to be made clear, I have said many times that I spoke with President Trump, that
00:10:06we are two men, many of President Javier
00:10:09Miley, what can be said about this situation and how it is affecting
00:10:12diplomatic relations between both countries?
00:10:16Yes, Francisco, since he started his government,
00:10:19Milei has not held any meeting with
00:10:22Lula, and he also attacks
00:10:26the Brazilian government and Brazil whenever
00:10:30he can. And now President Lula,
00:10:33when Miley first attacked him when he was here in
00:10:37Brazilian territory, like 10 days ago,
00:10:41in Brazilian territory, he launched many attacks against the
00:10:44government, against President Lula, against the judicial
00:10:48authorities, and against other Brazilian authorities.
00:10:51And the Brazilian government presented
00:10:55a protest to the
00:10:57Argentine ambassador in Brazil, but
00:11:01after a couple of days,
00:11:04Miley attacked President
00:11:08Lula again, the authorities, and
00:11:11even said that Brazil has an orchestrated
00:11:14campaign against Argentina. And for this
00:11:18reason, the Brazilian government took an unprecedented
00:11:21measure in relation to Argentina,
00:11:24with whom Brazil has a strategic
00:11:28partnership, but at this
00:11:31moment, by downgrading its relations with
00:11:35Argentina, this implies that the
00:11:38Argentine ambassador in Brazil has to return to
00:11:41Argentina. The Brazilian ambassador, who is already
00:11:45will not return to Buenos
00:11:48Aires for now, so
00:11:51relations between Brazil and Argentina are
00:11:55restricted to trade and economy,
00:11:58which is very bad for us, for both Brazil
00:12:02and Argentina, but Brazil has to take
00:12:05some action to demand respect from Milei,
00:12:09because Milei has
00:12:12a way of conducting relations
00:12:15between the two countries that is purely
00:12:19ideological, and that also by
00:12:22disrespecting
00:12:25the republic, he is disrespecting
00:12:28Brazil. And with
00:12:30that, Brazil
00:12:32does not want to completely sacrifice its relations
00:12:36with Argentina, but it also does not
00:12:40have to allow something like that.
00:12:43Without a doubt, we are very attentive to this entire scenario and taking into account, as
00:12:47we said, a sensitive moment
00:12:49for democracy in Brazil, upcoming elections in this
00:12:53Latin American country, Roberto.
00:13:07part of the analysis
00:13:11regarding this whole issue. I remind the audience that you have time to
00:13:15participate in the survey that we published on our social
00:13:18networks. At the end of our broadcast, we will analyze the results. We are going to take a
00:13:22short break and we are going to invite our guest Roberto to stay
00:13:25with us to continue. even on this issue with Argentina and what this represents for both countries. We'll be right back.
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00:15:09Thank you for following us in the world from
00:15:13the situation, the diplomatic
00:15:15impasse between Brazil and the United States, but also about
00:15:19Argentina, because the diplomatic fracture between both
00:15:22countries, after the insults received by
00:15:26President Luis Ignacio Lula da Silva, from his
00:15:29Argentine counterpart Javier Milei, the Brazilian Foreign Ministry announced the
00:15:32withdrawal of its ambassador Julio Vitelli in Buenos Aires.
00:15:36Brazil decides to escalate diplomatic tension, limiting its
00:15:39representation to the commercial sphere, reducing the
00:15:43link to the level of chargé d'affaires. The measure of the Brazilian
00:15:46Ministry of Foreign Relations
00:15:50repeated verbal attacks, the political
00:15:52support of President Javier Milei for the Brazilian
00:15:56opposition, who also referred to Lula as a thief, as a
00:16:00corrupt person, something that has obviously been categorically rejected
00:16:02by Brazil. The Argentine Foreign Ministry
00:16:06describes the decision as unilateral and lamented that
00:16:09Brazil is isolating itself for ideological reasons,
00:16:12arguing that bilateral relations should not be
00:16:16subject to political or personal interests of rulers,
00:16:19said Argentina regarding this whole
00:16:23issue, contrary to what Javier Milei
00:16:26commented at the time about the Argentine president and all the
00:16:29improprieties he made towards
00:16:32the Brazilian ruler, it is
00:16:45Meneces, professor of the Institute of International Relations of the University of Brasilia,
00:16:49let's talk precisely about this. You already told me something, but
00:16:53I wanted to go into a little more detail because this diplomatic
00:16:56crisis between Brazil and Argentina reaches unprecedented
00:17:00levels, not since the return of democracy, both for Argentina and
00:17:03Brazil, but it is an issue that we said goes beyond diplomacy, it has
00:17:08to do with commerce, security, other issues that can also
00:17:11affect the continent. How do you see the impact also for the entire
00:17:14region, because this is obviously unprecedented? Yes, Francisco,
00:17:18because since December
00:17:212023, he has lived with Javier
00:17:24Melley and seeks to conduct relations from
00:17:28the Brazilian state with the Argentine state,
00:17:31but with the economic crisis in Argentina,
00:17:35the Brazilian government also continued working
00:17:38as much as possible through a very strong
00:17:42pragmatism with the Argentine authorities,
00:17:45and in the most recent period
00:17:48we had the signing of the Mercosur-European
00:17:52Union agreement, so for Mercosur it is very important
00:17:56that it be united, that it be cohesive to be able
00:17:59to continue negotiating, working with
00:18:03the European Union, but the fact is that Javier
00:18:06Milei recently announced an individual
00:18:09agreement of his country with the United States, and Lula
00:18:13at the last Mercosur summit now at the
00:18:17inauguration asked that Mercosur
00:18:21countries begin negotiations with
00:18:24China, so this
00:18:28stance by Javier Milei does complicate the
00:18:31smooth functioning of Mercosur. This
00:18:34is also reflected in the recent economic
00:18:37relations between Brazil and
00:18:40Argentina, because this year, in the first half of
00:18:442026, Brasilia has already
00:18:47decreased its exports to
00:18:50Argentina by about 20%, from
00:18:549 billion dollars to
00:18:567.8 billion dollars, and Argentina
00:18:59maintains about 6.4
00:19:03million dollars
00:19:06in exports to Brazil. So Mercosur
00:19:10is fundamental for Argentina and the Brazilian market
00:19:13too, and with that, Milei, by
00:19:17trying to create more difficulties in Brazil-Argentina
00:19:20relations, can
00:19:24of Brazil's relations with Argentina
00:19:27in difficulty, and with that, harm
00:19:31economic sectors in Argentina,
00:19:34also harm the automotive sector
00:19:38between Brazil and Argentina, which is very important, and with that
00:19:41also end up making it difficult, for example, for
00:19:45extra-bloc relations like with Singapore,
00:19:48with South Korea, like with India,
00:19:51with Canada. So it is a very difficult moment
00:19:54for Brazil-Argentina relations, and this cannot
00:19:58but reflect on
00:20:01Mercosur. So for Brazil,
00:20:05it has reached a point
00:20:08that is not yet the final limit, but it
00:20:11offends Brazil, so it is necessary
00:20:15that Argentina resume
00:20:18a normal course of diplomatic relations
00:20:21with Brazil, because Brazil did not
00:20:25attack Argentina, and Brazil
00:20:28continues to support, for example, Argentina's claim
00:20:32for the Falkland Islands, and
00:20:35even the Brazilian government recently spoke about
00:20:39this issue, so it is very difficult
00:20:42to understand that Javier Milei has
00:20:45some difficulty in
00:20:48understanding that Mercosur is fundamental
00:20:52for Argentina, and even more so at this moment
00:20:55when it remains difficult with a very
00:20:58difficult economy in his country. Without a doubt, and
00:21:02Luis Ignacio Lula da Silva said to
00:21:05leave ideologies aside regarding the Mercosur issue, at a
00:21:09moment, as we said, which is also an important commercial fact. Brazil
00:21:12maintains, but the Argentine government, Roberto, disregarded
00:21:16the diplomatic tension with Brazil after Brasilia's decision
00:21:20to withdraw its ambassador and to reduce diplomatic
00:21:23representation to chargés d'affaires. Argentine Foreign
00:21:27Minister Pablo Kirno refused to apologize
00:21:30for the epithets uttered by Javier
00:21:34Milei against Luis Ignacio Lula da Silva and called the Brazilian
00:21:37measure a unilateral decision based on ideological
00:21:41differences, accusing the president of that country of having
00:21:44supposedly verbally attacked and previously interfered
00:21:48in Argentine internal politics. I also ask you about this
00:21:52because it is contradictory that Javier Milei, who has of
00:21:55course openly shown support for the opposition
00:21:58in Brazil, now through his government
00:22:01issues this statement. What to
00:22:05say about this
00:22:06also?
00:22:09Even Francisco, this highlight is important
00:22:13because in Brazil's case, the Lula
00:22:15government, President Lula, left the Ministry of
00:22:19Foreign Affairs in charge of dealing with this
00:22:22matter directly with the Argentine Chancellery.
00:22:24In Milei's case, since he was the president who
00:22:28made the insults against Lula, now the
00:22:32Chancellor not only reaffirms that Milei spoke, but also
00:22:35accuses Brazil of having provoked the
00:22:39Milei government. Brazil did not provoke Milei, President Lula did not provoke
00:22:43and also because Milei
00:22:46has a summit that is scheduled.
00:22:50The far-right of Latin America in
00:22:54Buenos Aires, so this also, it seems to me that there are
00:22:57some relations that the idea that given the
00:23:01geopolitical importance of Brazil in South
00:23:04America and given the geopolitical importance of
00:23:07Brazil, for example, and another in BRICS and other parts
00:23:11of other agreements in the world, Argentina
00:23:14then seeks to gather
00:23:17in Buenos Aires
00:23:21far-right leaders so that they can also
00:23:24express their support for candidate Flavio
00:23:27Bolsonaro. This is legitimate, but this idea of Milei
00:23:31trying to confuse things and also public
00:23:35opinion, even because when Milei attacked
00:23:38Lula for the first time about 15 days
00:23:41ago, the Argentine press also criticized
00:23:45the autonomous city of Buenos Aires.
00:23:49And with that, Milei tries
00:23:52to invert things and it is very clear
00:23:56that Brazil does not want to create more facts, more
00:24:00difficulty in relations with Argentina, but
00:24:03Lula
00:24:06said when Milei apologized in relations with Argentina, but Lula
00:24:10said when Milei apologized
00:24:14in relations with Argentina, but Lula
00:24:16said when Milei apologized.
00:24:20eh eh eh eh declaring that Brazil is
00:24:23orchestrating an informative
00:24:51the visa of the Brazilian ambassador and strains diplomatic relations
00:24:54with the South American giant. What is this
00:24:57action by Washington responding to? 75% of users
00:25:01say a clear intention of electoral interference in
00:25:05Brazil, with 20%, some
00:25:08say disrespect for Brazilian sovereignty, as Roberto
00:25:11mentioned, and with 5% political
00:25:15retaliation for ideological
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00:27:45guest, Juan Diego Mota,
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00:28:01your listeners. Juan Diego, first of all,
00:28:04why the arrival of
00:28:08Keiko Fujimori in Peru to the presidency.