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00:00:25How are you doing? This is Jorge Gestoso. On today's
00:00:28program. Fujimori assumes the presidency of
00:00:32Peru with another notable
00:00:35guest, Juan Diego Mota,
00:00:38lawyer, political analyst
00:00:40directly from Lima, Juan Diego Mota,
00:00:44a warm welcome to the program, thank you very much for the invitation and
00:00:48winner, and then over I remain attentive in these minutes to be able to talk with you and
00:00:51with your listeners, Juan Diego, why
00:00:55to begin with, in a country like ours
00:00:59that has survived first
00:01:02a pandemic, a crisis with the COVID-19 pandemic, very
00:01:06strong, which generated or ended up
00:01:10having the regrettable figure of being the country with the highest
00:01:14mortality in the world,
00:01:16that is, at the level of percentages, a
00:01:20country that has experienced an internal
00:01:23armed conflict in the 80s and 90s with more than
00:01:2770,000 dead and disappeared, and a
00:01:30country where we lived a bloody dictatorship throughout
00:01:34the 90s, I'm not the only one who says
00:01:36it, but
00:01:39demonstrated, that is what this is something that can be verified, I'm referring to Alberto Fujimori,
00:01:42father, with multiple sentences at national and
00:01:45international levels, and the
00:01:49candidate who represents
00:01:51in a way all these evils
00:01:59etc. The legislative no, the daughter of the dictator Alberto Fujimori, responsible for implementing a program
00:02:02to deepen the
00:02:05without a doubt, no, one of neoliberal model where the economy
00:02:08in power, we have seen it with of large companies is privileged no, that is what over the lives of citizens, and that this was evidenced
00:02:12especially in this pandemic crisis, and that has been
00:02:14characterized a lot by violence and repression,
00:02:18that she is the one who ends up winning the electoral process that
00:02:23out, they did not let him govern from we are now experiencing or suffering its consequences. You have said and I read your exact
00:02:27words, you have said that Fujimorism
00:02:30is much more than a political
00:02:33party and constitutes a power
00:02:36structure with influence in
00:02:39institutions, how would you explain precisely
00:02:42to a Latin American
00:02:45Keiko Fujimori tried to audience who hears this conception for
00:02:48the first time? To understand it, I think we would have to take into account that
00:02:53all, they gave him the coup d'état because of what Fujimorism is a very, very particular phenomenon
00:02:57of Peru. I don't think it is repeated in
00:03:01other parts of Latin America. It has similarities with other
00:03:04authoritarian, dictatorial processes, but it is
00:03:07very particular. I think it is part of this
00:03:11wave of far-right governments that are
00:03:14coming to power in Latin
00:03:18start a game, the first America through processes labeled or with
00:03:21indications of fraud with
00:03:24the coup d'état that was given to the legitimate president Pedro
00:03:28Castillo, orchestrated from Congress,
00:03:32which has been controlled by Fujimorism,
00:03:35specifically by Keito Fujimori, who
00:03:38then placed puppet presidents, several puppet presidents,
00:03:42and who no longer only has control
00:03:44of the legislative power, now has control of the executive
00:03:48power, in addition to most of the
00:03:51institutions, the institutions
00:03:54that govern all electoral processes, the judicial
00:03:58power, the public ministry, the constitutional tribunal, the armed forces, the police
00:04:01have been occupying all these scenarios, and that is a characteristic
00:04:05of Fujimorism, and in that sense I believe that there is
00:04:08continuity but also the novelty of deepening the model,
00:04:12no, it is a dictatorship
00:04:16that is going to be enthroned and that has been
00:04:19managed to be legalized, so to speak, with this electoral process. What country does Kiko
00:04:22Fujimori receive when he gives his speech on taking office this July 28th?
00:04:26He receives a country in chaos with
00:04:30high rates of citizen insecurity, with
00:04:33an El Niño phenomenon at the gates and that
00:04:36everyone will see that we are not prepared to receive that El Niño phenomenon,
00:04:39despite the fact that everyone already knows well in advance that it will come, with
00:04:43a political and institutional crisis, we have had 10
00:04:46presidents in the last 10 years and also
00:04:49an economic period of
00:04:52deceleration. There are
00:04:56signs of an economic crisis.
00:04:58But what Keiko Fujimori doesn't say is that all this
00:05:02framework has been the product of her
00:05:05government, because she is the one who has governed in recent
00:05:09years, you said. December 2022, clearly
00:05:12illegally, she has had power from Congress and
00:05:16most of the institutions occupied, and she is the one who has placed the puppet presidents, but
00:05:20also for many years, no,
00:05:24she removed President Pedro Pablo
00:05:27Kuczynski in the period 2017, from
00:05:312018 onwards,
00:05:34from the total power she had in Congress,
00:05:38and she already had it before, didn't she? The previous
00:05:41Congress was also occupied, so she has had
00:05:44legislative power in her hands, so she
00:05:48is the one who has generated this country, our country, in a permanent
00:05:51crisis, however, she tries to blame
00:05:54this on the left, which only governed for a year and a
00:05:58half, which is what they allowed Pedro Castillo to govern, well, governing in quotation marks,
00:06:01because here we are also talking to an audience
00:06:05that does not know the details of Peru, and at least
00:06:08to paint it in broad strokes, here we are talking about a rural
00:06:12teacher who came to power
00:06:15through sheer effort, from the interior of the country, when the
00:06:19history is that the Lima elite is the one that has
00:06:22governed Peru for at least decades. The rural
00:06:26teacher manages to take her to a second
00:06:30round, she wins, so from
00:06:33then on, this lady Keiko Fujimori does not accept the
00:06:37results, it takes at least more than a month for
00:06:41them to twist her arm and for her to have no
00:06:45choice but to accept that Pedro Castillo won.
00:06:49He then arrives at the government palace and
00:06:53they put him against the ropes, from a year and a half through lawfare they
00:06:56give him a constitutional coup, a coup, what
00:07:00we experienced from 2021 onwards, no,
00:07:04in effect, what we had was a
00:07:08coup, not a congressional coup perpetrated against the
00:07:12legitimate president Pedro Castillo, who
00:07:15was, and this is important, the first president of popular
00:07:19origin, representing the popular sectors
00:07:23and a political position to the
00:07:25left who won in Peru
00:07:28electorally, not the first in history,
00:07:31and as you have rightly pointed
00:07:35day zero of his mandate, and
00:07:39a year and a half later they gave him this coup,
00:07:42not from the legislature, but it must be pointed out that the
00:07:46armed forces, the national police, all the
00:07:50institutions had a hostile position towards the
00:07:53president, even with very harsh statements,
00:07:56and what can I say about lukewarm reforms,
00:07:59perhaps to the liking of many, but he
00:08:02tried to do it, and above
00:08:06he represented, no, he represented the
00:08:09oppressed sectors of the country, especially from the interior of the country,
00:08:13the provinces, the forgotten regions, the southern
00:08:15Andes, among others, so that
00:08:18we can take into account
00:08:22to understand a little bit of the idiosyncrasy, the
00:08:24social dynamic of Peru,
00:08:28the right
00:08:30is positioned especially in what is known as modern Lima,
00:08:34Peru is a very centralist and very racist country,
00:08:38also, a third of the population resides in
00:08:41Lima, and with that power and from there they
00:08:44govern, and that is what happened in the last electoral
00:08:48process as well, an electoral process that
00:08:51leads to a second round in a runoff, precisely
00:08:54Keiko Fujimori, who was the heir of Alberto
00:08:58Fujimori and all the most rancid right wing,
00:09:01no, the Peruvian bourgeoisie, and on the other side, Roberto
00:09:04Sánchez, who appears
00:09:08as a representative delegate of Pedro Castillo, representing the vast
00:09:11majorities of the country, let us remember that Pedro Castillo is currently imprisoned
00:09:15or kidnapped, no,
00:09:18who has said that
00:09:21Mr. Pedro Castillo is innocent, that his right to defense and due
00:09:25process were not respected, of course, he has recommended
00:09:29that he be released immediately, and of course, this government has turned a
00:09:33deaf ear to that
00:09:36call, despite the fact that the people have mobilized demanding his
00:09:40release, so it is in that context that this electoral
00:09:44process takes place, and furthermore, in the second
00:09:47round, Keiko Fujimori wins with serious
00:09:51accusations
00:09:53of fraud and very murky things that happened in that electoral
00:09:57process. Juan Diego, I invite you to take a short break, we are
00:10:00talking with Juan Diego Mota directly from
00:10:03Lima. Juan Diego is a lawyer and political
00:10:06analyst, we are talking about Keiko
00:10:10Fujimori and her
00:10:13assumption of the presidency of Peru. We'll be
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00:12:12We continue talking with Juan Diego Mota directly from
00:12:15Lima. Juan Diego is a lawyer and political analyst,
00:12:19we are talking about Heiko Fujimori who assumes
00:12:23the presidency of Peru. To put it in
00:12:25perspective, a tool that has been used for
00:12:2810 years of Alberto Fujimori's dictatorship, in which he has been
00:12:31accused, he has been condemned also for human
00:12:35rights violations left and right, he practiced
00:12:39and the word is "terruquear",
00:12:42"terruqueo", basically, as we understand
00:12:45it, is to accuse
00:12:48everyone who is an opponent
00:12:52of the government of being a terrorist.
00:12:55So not only are you labeled as
00:12:58being part of that
00:13:01"terruqueo", but since they put the
00:13:05label of terrorist on you, you can be put through a legal
00:13:08process where you can end up in jail for the simple
00:13:11real fact of disagreeing with,
00:13:14for example, in the case of Alberto Fujimori, with a ferocious
00:13:18dictatorship. That "terruqueo" that today
00:13:21is also practiced by those who come from the north and
00:13:25opponents who are now given the title of terrorist for coming
00:13:29out to protest, as they do in Argentina of Milei,
00:13:33for human rights,
00:13:36this lady Keiko Fujimori, heir to all
00:13:40that, continues practicing or is
00:13:42practicing "terruqueo", without a doubt, let's
00:13:46remember that Alberto Fujimori Sr.
00:13:49was convicted, he
00:13:53passed away, he was convicted
00:13:55to 25 years in prison by national courts,
00:13:59previously there was an international process
00:14:01for crimes against humanity in this type, in this
00:14:05matter, what is known as the massacre at La Cantuta
00:14:09University, where a paramilitary
00:14:12commando, following direct orders from his
00:14:15government, kidnapped students and a
00:14:18professor to assassinate them, because they were
00:14:21in opposition. The massacre of Barrios
00:14:25Altos, where also the same paramilitary commando under
00:14:29his orders entered a popular
00:14:32party in a popular place in Lima
00:14:35and massacred everyone who was at that meeting, including
00:14:39children, a 9-year-old child was assassinated.
00:14:43In addition to a sentence for
00:14:46kidnapping journalists, even some
00:14:49businessmen, that is not
00:14:52fiction, that is not just literature, those are sentences
00:14:56against Alberto Fujimori Sr. in addition to sentences,
00:14:59mind you, for corruption and embezzlement, 15
00:15:03million soles, approximately 5 million dollars, which were
00:15:06paid from the national treasury by order of Fujimori
00:15:09to his crony, his 15 million soles
00:15:13for concepts of compensation for length of service,
00:15:16which was totally illegal. Another
00:15:19sentence also for 15 million soles
00:15:22for paying parliamentarians,
00:15:25congressmen, to change sides, to change their vote,
00:15:29that is also even recorded in videos when they received the
00:15:32money, wad by wad, to buy media,
00:15:36to buy polling companies, all of that
00:15:39is in judicial processes, in sentences,
00:15:42so one of the mechanisms that Alberto Fujimori
00:15:46used was repression to silence his
00:15:49opponents. Fujimori Sr. used populism on
00:15:53the one hand, he gave money, injections
00:15:56of money, and on the other hand,
00:15:59repression, no, that has been the logic, no, the logic of the
00:16:03carrot and the stick, well, the daughter repeats and perfects
00:16:08that mechanism. For example, with the speech of taking
00:16:11office, she has given a populist speech promising
00:16:14to deliver money, bonds, she has
00:16:18promised to deliver even school kits,
00:16:21sweaters, that is what she said in her speech of taking office, that is, at that
00:16:25elementary level her populist speech reaches,
00:16:29I am going to give sweaters to the children, I am going to give this,
00:16:32but the issue of repression continues
00:16:35in the government.
00:17:07innocence, no, when that does not resist the slightest
00:17:11legal analysis, no, innocence is presumed, it does not have to be
00:17:16Fujimori's legacy has done and what Fujimori continues to do.
00:17:20Juan Diego, you have used the exact
00:17:22words, the weakening of Peruvian
00:17:26democracy and the crisis of political
00:17:30representation, you have warned about this on numerous
00:17:33occasions, are we facing another
00:17:36chapter of the same, of the same disease? Yes,
00:17:42the characteristics of Fujimorism
00:17:46the father and with the daughter from Congress, is the
00:17:50takeover of all democratic,
00:17:53legal institutions in the country, they control the
00:17:57constitutional court, they control the judiciary,
00:18:00they control the public ministry, that is, the
00:18:03prosecutor's office, and now they have taken control
00:18:07of the electoral bodies and this last point, just to make a
00:18:11parenthesis, it has been very surprising and
00:18:15serious because in the last electoral process
00:18:19that the country experienced, where Keito Fujimori was proclaimed president,
00:18:23there were two
00:18:27rounds, two rounds, not the first round and then the second round, the
00:18:30runoff, and the curious thing is that between those two
00:18:34rounds, when the electoral process was already called,
00:18:38breaking any rule of the existing democratic
00:18:41institutionality today, the
00:18:45person who directs the electoral
00:18:48body was changed, and the rules of the electoral
00:18:52process were changed, it's like you
00:18:55half with a referee with some
00:18:58rules, and in the second half they change the
00:19:01referee and change the rules, that's what happened in the
00:19:04electoral process that resulted in Keiko
00:19:08Fujimori winning, among other things, because she takes control through
00:19:11Congress of this body, these
00:19:15organizations, these electoral institutions, so yes, Fujimorism
00:19:19tends to destroy
00:19:22democracy, let's say a true democracy, popular
00:19:25democracy, demonstrating the
00:19:28limits of representative democracy and converting it into a
00:19:31democracy that serves its interests, not a democracy
00:19:35faithful to the interests of the bourgeoisie
00:19:39that she represents. Well, for example, in Ecuador, Luisa
00:19:42González, who was the rival of Daniel Noboa, the
00:19:45son of the richest man in Ecuador,
00:19:48born in the United States, and whose organization
00:19:52linked his father to the export of
00:19:55bananas and inside the bananas,
00:19:57cocaine, Luisa González
00:20:01fraud, here the court, in some way
00:20:04Roberto Sánchez orally
00:20:07and Keiko Fujimori made sure that these
00:20:10accusations by Roberto Sánchez became a reality, that in the end what happened
00:20:14here was a fraud. I believe that yes, there are enough indications
00:20:18that show great irregularities in the process that could
00:20:21lead us to say that it is a fraudulent process, and
00:20:24note that this unfortunately
00:20:27are no longer isolated
00:20:30symptoms, but rather they show a systematic
00:20:33action not only in the country but in Latin America.
00:20:37Look at what is happening in Colombia, what you have commented on in
00:20:40Ecuador, what happened in Honduras, no, in the last
00:20:44electoral processes and what was
00:20:47later testified, known as the Honduras gate,
00:20:50no, where sinister powers from abroad,
00:20:54basically in North America and Israel,
00:20:58would have been behind many
00:21:01pronouncements in official documents such
00:21:04as regaining control of their
00:21:07space for
00:21:10this a
00:21:12rear
00:21:16discourse.
00:21:19So that has also
00:21:22been seen in this electoral process
00:21:25where, as I was telling
00:21:28you, the first
00:21:31results, even from right-wing pollsters, gave
00:21:35Roberto Sánchez as the
00:21:38the course of the days, in a vote count that lasted
00:21:42almost a month, which was also
00:21:45unheard of, the result started to turn around
00:21:48and turn around, mainly due to votes from
00:21:51abroad, no, citizens abroad, and what happened abroad?
00:21:55Well, the rules of the game were changed from the first to the
00:21:59second round, before it was allowed or it was
00:22:03mandatory that the votes be digitized
00:22:07electronically and be sent both
00:22:10in diplomatic pouch abroad, instead of the vote, no,
00:22:14in front of all the witnesses who had seen the observers from each
00:22:18group, the members of the polling station, and
00:22:21the chain of custody is broken, in some cases
00:22:25it took 3 days, for example, for the votes from Argentina
00:22:29to Peru, on a flight that normally takes 4 hours, 5
00:22:33hours, it took 3 days to arrive, so what is said
00:22:36is that in all that transfer, there are also
00:22:39multiple complaints from citizens who say
00:22:42that they were impersonated, no, and they prove it
00:22:46with evidence, there are even videos,
00:22:49hypothesis that is being considered is that there would have been
00:22:52vote manipulation there,
00:22:56is being denounced, moreover, another curious
00:22:59fact is that days before, weeks before,
00:23:02the ambassadors of Argentina,
00:23:06Spain, the United States,
00:23:09where irregularities in the handling
00:23:12of the vote were precisely
00:23:16denounced, all of that leads us to believe that indeed this
00:23:20occupation of institutions and the electoral process have
00:23:23placed Teiko as an illegitimate
00:23:26president. Finally, Juan Diego, here we are talking
00:23:30about this being the fourth time that
00:23:35reach the presidency, she achieved it this fourth time. Where does the
00:23:39Peruvian left stand in this whole panorama,
00:23:43emerging as representing the popular sectors, it is a new left that
00:23:47found in a citizen like Pedro
00:23:50Castillo, without much political
00:23:53training, one of its representatives, and now with
00:23:56Roberto Sánchez as the follower of those
00:24:00sectors that mainly come from the interior of the country, from the
00:24:04southern Andes, among others, I believe that it is the
00:24:07hope of what is being cooked up in Peru from
00:24:11the most humble and organized sectors that, for
00:24:15example, on July 28, when Keite Fujimori was giving her
00:24:18speech of taking office, mobilized
00:24:22a large number of people in the streets,
00:24:25protesting, opposing and not recognizing the
00:24:28government of Cairo Fujimori, a very important gesture was that
00:24:32Roberto Sánchez and the congressmen who
00:24:36were able to reach the Senate and the Chamber of
00:24:39Deputies left Keiko Fujimori
00:24:43speaking alone in the hemicycle and joined the
00:24:46protests, that is something important, because the
00:24:50link between the representatives
00:24:53and these officials, so to speak,
00:24:57who are in power in Congress and the
00:25:01masses is re-established, and that is the right thing to do, the masses must
00:25:04rule, and the representatives are simply the agents of the masses,
00:25:08and that is a good sign that the people do not forget, the people are alert, the people
00:25:12mobilize and do not recognize Mrs.
00:25:15Fujimori as a legitimate president. Juan Diego Mota,
00:25:18thank you very much for being with us, thank you.
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