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00:00:27explaining, what
00:00:50An unexpected result had qualified Lula to lose in the
00:00:54first round of the Brazilian election, the last one he will dispute in his
00:00:57life. Bolsonaro, with cunning, has managed to identify
00:01:01Lula's PT as if it were the party of the
00:01:04system, of the status quo, attributing
00:01:07to him the blame for the high prices of the basic
00:01:10food basket, the biggest complaint of the
00:01:12voters, urging an extraordinary
00:01:16recovery of the minimum
00:01:17wage.
00:01:20Lula decided to moderately raise only the value of the Bolsa
00:01:23Familia. In addition, Lula's proposal for
00:01:26reducing the work day
00:01:30went unnoticed in the massive web of fake news
00:01:34that large media outlets hostile to the
00:01:37PT. There are spaces for recovery and
00:01:40comeback.
00:01:44He still has in his hands government levers.
00:01:48He can adopt more
00:01:50forceful measures.
00:03:00you for the invitation to this
00:03:24undoubtedly be analyzed for a long
00:03:27time.
00:03:30Given the richness they entail in terms of experiences,
00:03:34successes, errors, ultimately,
00:03:36definitiva,
00:03:39I believe that not only yesterday's elections, but elections
00:03:43in all their aspects, including the second round
00:03:47and the context in which elections are held in
00:03:50Brazil and in the world,
00:03:53will be the subject of study by future
00:03:56historians and also future political scientists.
00:04:06next week with another
00:04:10If you ask me for a first assessment, I would say that these
00:04:13are elections that pose perhaps the greatest challenge for Brazilian
00:04:17democracy since its re-democratization,
00:04:20redemocratización
00:04:24since the recovery of democratic space in the
00:04:2880s, and perhaps to... set a more concrete date,
00:04:32since the proclamation of the 1988
00:04:34constitution, the constitution that was called
00:04:38the citizen constitution because it introduced a series of
00:04:42innovations, rights enshrined in
00:04:46it, that reflect the mood
00:04:49of that moment, as well as a
00:04:53correlation of forces also at that very
00:04:56special moment,
00:04:59and this... Despite the amendments and some controversial
00:05:02issues related precisely to the way said
00:05:06constitution was
00:05:07modified.
00:05:12for the democratic rights of
00:05:14Brazil, rights that in my
00:05:17opinion are currently facing a
00:06:31Diplomacy as a means of resolving disputes regarding human rights, the denunciation
00:06:34of flagrant violations of international law and human
00:06:38rights, was very forceful in its condemnation of the genocide.
00:08:18that remains in the collective memory, is considered the great
00:08:21promoter of a modern Brazil
00:08:25with important labor legislation, therefore, then
00:08:28he represents that to the other
00:08:31candidacy
00:08:36that surprisingly became the most
00:08:40voted.
00:08:52that for much of the counting remained at a level that
00:08:56allowed to foresee a result in the first
00:08:59round,
00:09:04but those differences were narrowing as
00:09:07results started to come in, especially
00:09:10from the northeast.
00:09:14which remains one of the great regions where President
00:09:17Lula and the Workers' Party
00:09:21maintain their influence and
00:09:23support,
00:09:29Flavio Bolsonaro's candidacy is the antithesis of what President
00:09:33Lula represents from many points of
00:09:36view,
00:09:42he is I don't know if I should call him.
00:09:51a proposal that goes against the state, against the state, less
00:09:55so in what concerns a state that cares about
00:09:59social
00:09:59justice.
00:10:04Evidently, all the policies and practices that President
00:10:08Lula has defended to reverse Brazil's historical social
00:10:12gap.
00:10:25large in terms of resources and
00:10:27numbers,
00:10:31an elite that relatively views with extreme concern
00:10:35and displeasure any minimal social policy, but this
00:10:38is also historical in Brazil, as our esteemed
00:10:42Darcy
00:10:43Ribeiro said,
00:10:49that the Brazilian elite is an elite that turns its back
00:10:52on any aspiration of the Brazilian people.
00:11:13He is a representative of that option for an extremely intolerant Brazil with
00:11:16any program of social progress in the most
00:11:20popular sectors.
00:11:27It is a candidacy that has repeatedly shown minimal
00:11:31respect for the rule of
00:11:33law
00:11:37with accusations that are often based on
00:11:40lies, but ultimately all the criticisms
00:11:43that the candidacy has made against democratic institutions.
00:11:46democratic institutions.
00:12:25and malicious to identify the
00:12:28PT as if it were the party of the system, the
00:12:31party of the status quo, when talking about rising
00:12:34prices, that people cannot fill their supermarket
00:12:37carts, about high taxes, that
00:12:41people really feel that prices are high, that fuels
00:12:45are expensive, and that President Lula's responses in this
00:12:49regard, such as wage increases and the increase
00:12:52in Bolsa Família in recent days,
00:12:55have been, however, very timid, there was also that
00:12:58danger,
00:13:02I believe that a large part of the
00:13:04abstention votes
00:13:08that were high and a large part of the support for Flavio
00:13:12Bolsonaro's candidacy
00:13:15does not come from an electorate that is 100% co-opted by
00:13:19an extreme right-wing proposal like the one the
00:13:23candidate represents, but rather it is a...
00:13:46because it must be explained that people have the right to feel
00:13:49dissatisfied,
00:13:52because life is indeed expensive.
00:13:56In fact, the salary is not enough to make ends meet for a large
00:13:59part of the Brazilian
00:14:00population,
00:14:07it is necessary to bring up issues that do not have such a simple
00:14:10explanation, because what happens on the
00:14:14right
00:14:18and unfortunately this has been the case for a long
00:14:21time, is not even that this candidacy. So,
00:14:35why is life still difficult for the working class,
00:14:39even though this
00:14:43government has perhaps done the most for it, at least
00:14:46since re-democratization, re-democratization,
00:14:49because this government is within a
00:14:52system where the rules of neoliberalism
00:15:07that is, investment in public education, in public health, in
00:15:11public transport, in decent housing, not as
00:15:14investment, but as expenditure, and it is
00:15:17fought and not approved, and
00:15:20furthermore, as President Lula expressed at the
00:15:23time. The government's budget was
00:15:27hijacked, that was the word, if I'm not mistaken, that
00:15:30he used
00:15:34secret secret.
00:15:52An attempt is made to exercise control, but deep down there
00:15:55isn't,
00:15:57Supreme Court member Dino Flavio Dino tried to
00:16:01provide some degree of transparency on the destination of
00:16:04those resources, but on the one hand.
00:16:08We have a state budget that is incompatible with the real
00:16:12needs of the Brazilian
00:16:13people,
00:16:18there is all this spending cap that is part of that
00:16:22neoliberal framework that was imposed and inherited by the
00:16:26Workers' Party governments.
00:16:29This comes from previous administrations and in
00:16:32particular since the coup against the
00:16:36president. they greatly
00:16:46limit the resources
00:16:49that the state has to invest in these
00:16:52public policies on the one hand, and on the other hand,
00:16:56part of that budget hijacked by a congress
00:16:59and by deputies.
00:17:13This generates this, this needs to be explained, but it
00:17:17is too complex a topic to address in a campaign
00:17:21debate,
00:17:23where that cannot be achieved, that is
00:17:26where I believe there is a topic that is not for now, for this
00:17:30campaign, right, but rather it is a topic for the
00:17:33future for all progressives, right?
00:17:54I remember that it was extremely important and that it was carried
00:17:58out with great, let's say, responsibility on the part
00:18:02of the political world, political
00:18:03education.
00:18:09political education, because in a campaign there is no way to
00:18:13explain that complexity to the voter who is hungry
00:18:16at home, a work of years and years, even with
00:18:20popular media,
00:18:24we are here talking with Beatriz Vicio, here at Latitud
00:18:27Brasil, professor at UFRJ, the Federal
00:18:31University of Rio de Janeiro, historical
00:18:33representative of the notebooks.
00:20:07Today we are talking here at Latitud Brasil with Beatrice Vicio,
00:20:11professor at the Federal University of Rio de Janeiro,
00:20:13journalist and also historical representative of the
00:20:17Third World Notebooks about the elections in Brazil that
00:20:21gave an unexpected result with Flavio ahead of
00:20:24Lula.
00:20:30He is now talking about appointing
00:20:31Acienda.
00:21:29He has rightly said that he will try or will work with those who abstained in the elections, those who did not
00:21:32vote, who abstained, which is
00:21:35extremely important, because we see that he lost, today I
00:21:38have been analyzing in each state how the
00:21:41vote went,
00:21:45compared to the votes he obtained in
00:21:472022.
00:21:50He lost 4 million votes, many of
00:21:54which are interpreted as coming from
00:21:57voters who did not even go to the
00:21:59polls, not necessarily those who switched to the
00:22:03opposite side, but also obviously a part that
00:22:07voted for candidate Bolsonaro, but many of
00:22:10those who were, shall we say, disappointed with democracy, with the
00:22:13PT's management and administration, did not go to
00:22:16vote.
00:22:28So he lost four and compared to the current
00:22:32candidate, they are separated by 2 million, so
00:22:36that's where he can really work, on the other
00:22:39hand, within the scheme, so to
00:22:43speak, of the upper class.
00:22:47The situation is different, I think.
00:23:06perhaps with one or the other it is possible, but there are those who are more
00:23:09linked to a productive sector and who
00:23:12in fact,
00:23:52there I enter another field because it is a difficult
00:23:56area to work in,
00:24:01I think, although there are possibilities, but I think
00:24:04it is one of the ways of working in this brief experience that the
00:24:08president has ahead,
00:24:11with a three-week campaign and I think the base
00:24:14too.
00:24:55It is in the progressive sectors, more or less the
00:24:57left, they have acted together in
00:25:01the campaign,
00:25:03they have been very united and I think that has been a great
00:25:07achievement.
00:25:12There have not been those disputes, that discomfort within the
00:25:15progressive forces, as there were in the
00:25:18campaigns. I think that the experience of Bolsonaro's
00:25:22four years of government, with all that it has
00:25:25meant, loss of sovereignty, loss of
00:25:28rights, loss of human lives, more than 600,000
00:25:32Brazilians deceased in the pandemic and losses and
00:25:36losses and
00:25:37losses,
00:25:42has forged a unity among progressive
00:25:45forces.
00:26:13because that is truly what we want for our children and
00:26:16grandchildren,
00:26:17exactly,
00:26:20from an international point of view, Lula represents
00:26:23Brazil in the BRICS, Brazil in CELAC, Latin American
00:26:26integration as a living
00:26:28flag, the revitalization.
00:27:08All of progressive Latin America feels Brazil's
00:27:11campaign as
00:27:12its own,
00:27:15because in some way the destiny of Latin America, and especially
00:27:18that of South
00:27:20America, is linked to what happens in
00:27:24Brazil. Just think or
00:27:26remember that in 1964,
00:27:30the coup d'état here in Brazil
00:27:33was what triggered that domino effect of dictatorships in
00:27:36Uruguay, Argentina, Chile and
00:27:39so on.
00:27:43And decades lost with a human, political and institutional
00:27:47cost.
00:27:50The consequences of which we are still suffering, so it
00:27:54really is a
00:27:55loss.
00:28:14that represent an alternative to that declining hegemony, although still
00:28:17important for the United States, if Latin
00:28:21America, which in this case Brazil represents along
00:28:25with other
00:28:30countries, Brazil brought to the BRICS, loses that link.
00:28:33I think that is a problem, even during
00:28:37Bolsonaro's time, he did not withdraw from the BRICS,
00:28:40but he maintained a very low profile in his actions within
00:28:44the BRICS. I was just watching an international
00:28:47news program on French television and when reporting on
00:28:51the current electoral campaign
00:28:52in Brazil,
00:28:56they recalled that when Bolsonaro was president and there was a
00:28:59meeting, I am not sure if it really
00:29:03was a meeting not related to the BRICS, but it was a
00:29:06matter that involved an audience that President
00:29:10Bolsonaro was going to have with French President Macron
00:29:13and President Bolsonaro did not attend the audience because
00:29:16he decided to get a
00:29:18haircut,
00:29:21so I was remembering that, reflecting precisely
00:29:25on what a defeat for the president would mean in
00:29:28terms of Brazil's position in the world. president's defeat.