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00:00:01France, Netherlands, Chile, Argentina and the
00:00:05autonomous region of Catalonia. The
00:00:08activities take place in squares, alleys and
00:00:11public open-air spaces with monumental shows
00:00:15that amaze the
00:00:17following class hundreds of attendees who come to this event to
00:00:21natural resources of enjoy physical theater, acrobatic dances
00:00:24States needs and urban interventions.
00:00:27Well, I think it's also a way, I mean, to. to be able
00:00:30to bring
00:00:33the left, so popular the arts, well, in this case, talking about dance,
00:00:36make it accessible to many people, well, because the fact of the
00:00:39venue, of the theater, of the closed space, well, it just
00:00:43implies money, but perhaps a knowledge
00:00:47of who is coming or what
00:00:50finally, the majority of it is, perhaps that's what leads you to go, right? And this way,
00:00:52well, you're passing by, you know that there will be something because there are fireworks
00:00:56or there's an enormous crane in the street that makes you say, well.
00:01:00Let's see, the 23rd International Street Theater Festival
00:01:03of Zacatecas
00:01:06to develop until October 17th,
00:01:09turning the city these days into a wide
00:01:13stage for performing arts and the
00:01:16exchange with other cultures
00:01:17and
00:01:24development we are now finishing our culture segment
00:01:28in global connection. I'll be back with you guys. Hey, how
00:01:32beautiful, spectacular, yes, I loved that
00:01:35"guys."
00:01:38He was referring to the news. Thanks, don't
00:01:40fight, no, see you next time, thanks, bye.
00:02:03banks and especially for
00:02:33who accompany us and to Hello, this is Jorge
00:02:36Gestoso. In today's program,
00:02:39Brazil faces the
00:02:40prohibition of second electoral round with another notable
00:02:44guest, João Pedro Stédile,
00:02:47international analyst
00:02:49directly from Sao Paulo. João Pedro
00:02:53Stédile, a warm welcome to the program,
00:02:56thank you very much for the invitation, it is an enormous
00:03:00pleasure to be here with you and with all those who join
00:03:03us at home or through social networks, João Pedro,
00:03:07how do you interpret the result of this first
00:03:10electoral round in Brazil? Well, I believe
00:03:14and we have made several collective
00:03:17evaluations in our movement, in the popular
00:03:20movements, in the left-wing
00:03:24I have not come here as a prophet of parties, the results are dubious, I think
00:03:27it would be a kind of tie
00:03:30in terms of voting, because a
00:03:332% difference is not relevant
00:03:37for such a large universe, even more so in our country,
00:03:40and why do we say that
00:03:43apocalyptic, the sound of there was a tie? Because if it is true that
00:03:46language, of arrogance, on we lost those 2%,
00:03:49but it is also true that in the entire
00:03:52Northeast region we have elected
00:03:56progressive governors, the same bench of...
00:04:00parliamentarians from the PT and the PES
00:04:02increased, but however, we
00:04:06were left with a bitter taste in our
00:04:09to re-elect Lula, what mouths, because there was an expectation among the
00:04:12militancy that we were going to
00:04:15overcome, not win in the first round, but overcome
00:04:19Bolsonaro, so from the point of
00:04:22view of motivation, of course, there was a
00:04:26defeat that affected the disposition of
00:04:29the... vivitantes in the first hours after
00:04:33the results were published, you have said
00:04:36and I quote your words, an
00:04:40eventual victory for Flavio Bolsonaro
00:04:43would mean the re-edition of the
00:04:47Because it is the nature of fascist government
00:04:49totally allied with Donald Trump, and how is
00:04:53it justified then that he got so
00:04:56many votes? Well, there are many reasons that can explain
00:05:01this result, let's say, political
00:05:04electoral. First, there is a general crisis
00:05:08of capitalism in all the West here
00:05:11in Brazil. also that affected the living conditions
00:05:15of the population and that influences the
00:05:18behavior of people, but in general
00:05:22terms, for those of you who do not live in Brazil and follow
00:05:25us, we had the
00:05:29behavior: the Brazilian bourgeoisie is
00:05:32divided, one part is with Lula
00:05:36and a small part, rather the financial capital, the
00:05:38transnationals eh eh.
00:05:43Americans are with Bolsonaro, then there is
00:05:46a small bourgeoisie that a part of it that
00:05:50lives in the interior of the country influenced by
00:05:53the hegemony of agribusiness,
00:05:56mostly voted for
00:05:59Bolsonaro, and
00:06:02the population, which is the working
00:06:05class, is also
00:06:07divided, a poorer part voted for
00:06:11Lula, but there is... there is a part of the working
00:06:14class that is already well-off, let's say
00:06:17so, that is
00:06:20co-opted by the neoliberal ideology of
00:06:23entrepreneurship and I don't know what, so
00:06:27these people believe that
00:06:30they improved their lives because of their merits and not because of the
00:06:33advances that occurred in the
00:06:37of society, and it also explains
00:06:40why half of the working class
00:06:43voted for Bolsonaro, because there is a very great
00:06:47fragility of work, half of the Brazilian
00:06:50working class lives in informality, so
00:06:54that removes the bonds of
00:06:57sociability, that removes the collective
00:07:00bonds, it removes the traditional forms of organization
00:07:03of the working class, such as the
00:07:06union, the party, associations,
00:07:09etc., it is also true. as a
00:07:12self-criticism, that the Lula government, faced with
00:07:16that more general situation, did not
00:07:18know how to advance further in
00:07:22structural changes in the 4 years, of course, he
00:07:25had to face a congress that was mostly
00:07:29right-wing, he had to face a very
00:07:32reactionary press, but that is not
00:07:36all that can explain that the government did
00:07:40not have the courage to advance a little
00:07:43further, now in the final stretch of the
00:07:47campaign, it was that it took some initiatives that did impact
00:07:50people, such as the
00:07:53betting by Bet which dominates
00:07:57football, it
00:08:00has already taken a lot of money from the poorest, also
00:08:03you, regarding the issue of the economy, you have
00:08:06said, the life of the people changed very
00:08:10little, even recognizing
00:08:13positive indicators of the Brazilian economy, did that play
00:08:17any role? Yes, as I said,
00:08:20eh, the working class is suffering a lot,
00:08:23half of them are in informality, that is,
00:08:26Lula's public policies, although
00:08:30good, did not reach
00:08:33everyone, and so people realized
00:08:36that they cannot depend on the
00:08:39government, and at first,
00:08:44eh, Lula's discourse was very
00:08:47retroactive, very much about the past, the first two
00:08:51governments were good, I have a biography, all
00:08:54that's fine, but people want to talk about
00:08:57the future, so the campaign took time to
00:09:01realize that it had to change the way it
00:09:05talked to people, instead of talking about the past,
00:09:08talking about the future, precisely you and precisely. You
00:09:12have said in a sentence that is exactly what
00:09:16you are affirming, that it is not enough
00:09:21is needed is to build a country project,
00:09:25that is what we defended that
00:09:28explains the economic
00:09:31crisis of capitalism in
00:09:35all the continent and with that political stability has been generated,
00:09:39you follow, you have talked with...
00:09:42so many people you perceive, governments
00:09:45change, but the situation does not change, even
00:09:48with left-wing governments or centrist governments or
00:09:52progressive governments, but no, there
00:09:56were no changes, why?
00:09:59the crisis, no, that some philosophers, friends
00:10:03like Leonardo Boff say that it is even a civilizational
00:10:07crisis, that attacks the values of
00:10:10humanity, right? So in the face of this general
00:10:14crisis, the left and the popular
00:10:18movements, the churches,
00:10:20we must discuss a country project and
00:10:24gather forces around that country project
00:10:27as long as in our country we do not have that
00:10:31project that can encourage people to gather forces and
00:10:35indicate where we are going for the next 10, 20, 30
00:10:38years, the political situation will remain
00:10:42stable, because in reality people are not
00:10:45debating future projects, no,
00:10:49so for them they can vote
00:10:53for whoever gives them. What do you think will happen
00:10:57regarding the role that alliances will play from
00:11:00now to precisely the second round? Because
00:11:04some right-wing people have already started saying that they will
00:11:08support Bolsonaro, yes,
00:11:11Bolsonaro has already managed to get those right-wing
00:11:14parties that disputed with him, but who did not
00:11:18become viable as an electoral alternative,
00:11:21no, what would be the classic right,
00:11:25he is moving to get the votes of those
00:11:28people, but the votes are not
00:11:32from the candidates, people voted because they didn't want either Lula or
00:11:35Bolsonaro, so the natural tendency of those people is
00:11:39to vote blank, then Bolsonaro will not expand,
00:11:43we have that reading, Bolsonaro
00:11:46is very difficult to expand more votes than the
00:11:4956 million he already obtained,
00:11:53however, we do. We have to do
00:11:57a good job to
00:11:59increase the vote, increase the
00:12:02votes a lot, and that Lula's alliance is not
00:12:06to look for what parties or what leaders, Lula's alliance
00:12:10now has to be in 15 days
00:12:13to expand his influence among the
00:12:17working people and the statistics
00:12:20showed that Lula lost
00:12:23votes throughout the country in relation to the
00:12:272022 vote,
00:12:30so throughout the country, if we move a
00:12:33little, we manage to recover votes from people
00:12:36who already voted for Lula and who therefore are not right-wing
00:12:40people, second, in the working
00:12:43class that I mentioned before, the main
00:12:46challenge is to convince that part of the
00:12:50working class that is more
00:12:53well-off, that has a good salary
00:12:57and is influenced by their meritocracy,
00:13:00and finally we must
00:13:03broaden the dialogue with a sector that is what will
00:13:07decide the elections, which are working women
00:13:10who live in the periphery of large
00:13:14cities, this woman has no political
00:13:17training, but she
00:13:19decides the voting situation
00:13:22and in the first round, most
00:13:26of them did not vote or voted blank,
00:13:29etc., and finally we must seek
00:13:33to dialogue with youth, especially
00:13:37those who made their electoral title for the first time
00:13:40who are 16 to 18
00:13:43years old, most of them are sympathetic to the
00:13:47left, but it did not motivate them to vote for some
00:13:51reason, because they are interested in the type of
00:13:54politics that it is. of these things, so
00:13:57we have to seek an alliance, if you want
00:14:01to use your term with these sectors, and
00:14:05that is what we are planning, to seek
00:14:09to dialogue with these people, somehow
00:14:12visit them at their homes where they work, in
00:14:15schools so that they realize
00:14:18the danger that Bolsonaro's election
00:14:21would be as an expression of the... extreme
00:14:25right-wing fascist in Brazil. João Pedro, I invite you to
00:14:29take a short break. We are talking with
00:14:32João Pedro Stedile, directly from
00:14:35Guaranema, on the outskirts of Sao Paulo. We are
00:14:39talking precisely about Brazil before the second
00:14:42electoral round. Roupedro is an international
00:14:46analyst. We'll
00:14:48be right back.
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00:17:23We continue talking with João Pedro Stedile
00:17:26directly from the outskirts of Sao Pablo,
00:17:29we are talking about Brazil before the second electoral
00:17:33round. He is an international analyst.
00:17:38and you have said, regarding the interference
00:17:41issue, you say that
00:17:45Washington seeks to recompose its
00:17:48regional influence, that the
00:17:51government of President Trump is
00:17:54trying to ensure control over Latin
00:17:57America. For his part, Lula
00:17:59says,
00:18:02he said in July that the United States is going to
00:18:05try to interfere here trying to
00:18:09help the other side win the elections.
00:18:13Tell us what the panorama is like heading into
00:18:16this second round. Look, about the
00:18:19influence of the United States,
00:18:23I believe in the movements that there
00:18:27was no personal interference by Trump,
00:18:31especially since as he has that
00:18:34image of an imperial demon. if
00:18:37he spoke out publicly it would take votes from
00:18:40Bolsonaro and for us it would
00:18:43help us, like when he imposed tariffs
00:18:46against Brazilian products, that helped
00:18:50Lula and unmasked
00:18:52Bolsonaro who was allied with someone who imposes
00:18:56restrictions on our economy and thousands
00:18:59of jobs were lost because of that
00:19:02Trump foolishness, but
00:19:05even as a denunciation. for Latin America that follows
00:19:09us, the way the United
00:19:12States got involved here in the elections was
00:19:16through its far-right
00:19:19articulation, where there are operators who are
00:19:23inside the government, but they are outside the Trump
00:19:26government, who are in Spain, or like
00:19:30this gentleman who was imprisoned in Bolivia who was the
00:19:32coordinator, no, they then set up
00:19:36with powerful. their computers, some
00:19:40say they are in Chile, others that they are in Bolivia
00:19:43or that they are in Ireland or that they are in
00:19:46Israel, and those computers then
00:19:49helped Bolsonaro's campaign
00:19:53for massive sendings of multitudinous
00:19:56messages with a lot of money, it even
00:19:59came out in the public press, it is not
00:20:02a secret to anyone
00:20:06so that you and your audience
00:20:08have an idea, the public funds that finance
00:20:12here by Brazilian law the
00:20:15candidacies, Bolsonaro and
00:20:17Lula had the right to use
00:20:21around 14 million
00:20:24dollars for the campaign, each of them,
00:20:28however, only Bolsonaro spent on the
00:20:31Meta company, using Facebook,
00:20:35Instagram, etc., he spent
00:20:3840 million dollars, where did that
00:20:4240 million come from? Surely from those friends of the far-right
00:20:46articulation that circulates between Spain.
00:20:50between the United States that meeting even that Trump
00:20:54sponsored of the so-called Shield of the Americas, which is in
00:20:58reality a great fascist articulation
00:21:02that has as its goal
00:21:04to ensure that the United States has
00:21:07access to the
00:21:11Latin America, the United
00:21:14Latin America's resources to
00:21:17face the war that it has
00:21:21with China, so where is it going to look for oil, iron
00:21:24ore, bauxite, no,
00:21:27even other riches we have
00:21:30here, rare minerals
00:21:34that are under the control of transnational companies,
00:21:38so what is at stake for Washington is
00:21:41that, it is how to guarantee subordinate
00:21:45governments that agree to hand over the
00:21:48natural resources to American
00:21:52companies, what future would Latin American
00:21:55integration have no matter who
00:21:58wins between the two? Well, eh, if Bolsonaro
00:22:01wins, my God, he will only do what the
00:22:05Shield of the Americas wants, so he will
00:22:08open Petrobras will
00:22:10be privatized, which is the state oil company, he will
00:22:14open up the critical minerals that we have
00:22:17many reserves here in Brazil for
00:22:20gringo, Australian, and
00:22:23European companies, he will open
00:22:26more space for the currency,
00:22:29the dollar, and probably, as Trump requested,
00:22:33there would be a confrontation to that
00:22:37payment system that we have public from the Central Bank called
00:22:40Pix. Trump wants to eliminate the Pix, because
00:22:44that removed the possibility of profit
00:22:47posibilidad de ganancia.
00:22:50for American
00:22:53Mastercard and for Visa, so
00:22:57as a legitimate representative of that imperialist
00:23:01gringo bourgeoisie, he wants to prevent the advance of
00:23:05Pix and all that would happen with
00:23:07Bolsonaro and if Lula wins, it's the
00:23:10opposite, we will strengthen CELAC and we will
00:23:13strengthen UNASUR, we will strengthen the
00:23:16multilateral mechanisms as always.
00:23:20eh, Lula has defended, strengthen the BRICS as an
00:23:24articulation, while Bolsonaro has already announced, if
00:23:27he wins, Brazil will leave the BRICS, and the BRICS
00:23:31would then become an
00:23:33articulation only of Asia and Africa, which
00:23:37weakens it a lot, this in relation to foreign
00:23:40policy, to domestic policy,
00:23:43of course, Bolsonaro will use fascist
00:23:47methods for the control of power, fascist
00:23:50methods mean violence, violence means
00:23:53transforming adversaries into enemies
00:23:57and trying to eliminate enemies,
00:24:00eliminate them morally, with fake
00:24:02news, no, with lawfare, like
00:24:05they did with Rafael Correa, like they did with
00:24:08Dilma, or eliminate them physically, as here in
00:24:12Brazil some popular leaders were
00:24:14assassinated in the other government, like
00:24:18Marivel lived, so we would have
00:24:22very dark times for the political
00:24:25struggle in Brazil, but I tell you that
00:24:28I and the popular movements are
00:24:31optimistic and believe that we can turn
00:24:34it around and win the elections on October 25th,
00:24:38so what role do you think these
00:24:41social movements can play in the second
00:24:44round? It's a war, a war.
00:24:48We are deciding the possibility
00:24:50of the future or 10 years of far-right
00:24:54here as it was in the past with military
00:24:57dictatorships or with ultra-right
00:25:00governments, so the popular movements are taking advantage of these
00:25:04days, which are for reflection, preparation, and
00:25:07from now until the 25th
00:25:10we will go to the streets and to social
00:25:14networks to talk to people,
00:25:17propose concrete proposals
00:25:21that solve people's problems,
00:25:24denounce everything that Bolsonaro's candidacy
00:25:27means, his alliances, and
00:25:30subordination with the gringos, no,
00:25:34and his fascist ideas, and at the same
00:25:37time, eh, point out that we have to
00:25:40build a country project, for that we have
00:25:44to generate a lot of popular
00:25:47mobilization in the coming days to create
00:25:50enthusiasm to get
00:25:53out of that lethargy that we had in the first
00:25:56two days and I'll give you the good news today
00:26:00precisely, the youth
00:26:04has made several very important
00:26:07mobilizations in some capitals of the country like
00:26:10Recife, Rio de Janeiro and
00:26:14other capitals, so it is perceived that a
00:26:17red wave has already begun
00:26:21propelled by students, that can
00:26:24change the feeling of the people, because
00:26:27one of the roles of fascism is to instill fear. not let
00:26:31people have the courage to vote for
00:26:35mobilization, many people in the streets, will also remove
00:26:39the fear of the poorest. Finally,
00:26:42then, Jopedro, what is at stake for
00:26:45Latin America this upcoming
00:26:49October 25th, the day of the second round in
00:26:52Brazil? Of course, we like to say it,
00:26:55but Brazil is the largest country in territory
00:26:59and economy. in
00:27:02population, old Nixon used
00:27:06to say that, where Brazil goes,
00:27:09all of South America will go,
00:27:13so we have a very great
00:27:16responsibility, because if the far-right wins
00:27:19here, it means that in terms of
00:27:22world geopolitics, the United States
00:27:25would have absolute control, only Mexico
00:27:28would remain over Latin America and that.
00:27:32would give it more strength and more access to natural
00:27:35resources to confront China
00:27:38and to confront even Europe and
00:27:42Russia, so our election
00:27:45will have a very significant weight in
00:27:48international geopolitics and for
00:27:51us, of course, we need to win with
00:27:54Lula, but no way, as the Mexicans say, if
00:27:58we lose, we will lose with our heads held high,
00:28:02not by many votes and we will continue fighting,
00:28:05because we learned with old Mujica, only he
00:28:09who does not fight does not win, and we will continue fighting.
00:28:13Joan Pedro Stedile, thank you very much for having been with
00:28:17us, thank you for this space,
00:28:20congratulations and a big greeting to all Telesur
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00:28:27to continue sending good correct
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00:28:35you personally.
00:28:52The Venezuelan people assume their leading role at the polls this
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00:28:5937 projects, those that should be implemented
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00:29:26revolution, I have not come to ask or wish for the world
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00:29:33collaboration among peoples and we have come to warn
00:29:36that if we do not peacefully and wisely resolve the
00:29:40current injustices and inequalities, the future will be
00:29:45weapons, of threatening
00:29:49the international scene must cease. Fidel
00:29:52Castro. October 12, 1979,
00:29:55speech delivered in his capacity as president of the Non-Aligned
00:29:59Movement at the 34th session
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