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00:03:17The British
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00:03:20of the UK rejoining the European Union. Andy
00:03:23Burnam says leaving the EU did more harm than good and is prepared
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00:03:48hello and welcome to roundtable. i'm de brady. now for the first time since
00:03:52the UK left the European Union, a British prime minister is putting
00:03:56the full range of options back on the table from closer.
00:04:00cooperation
00:04:00of with of Brussels, rejoining the single market, customs
00:04:04in union, or potentially EU membership itself.
00:04:07Despite European leaders welcoming Andy Burnam's comments about moving
00:04:11closer to the EU, they're also making it clear Britain can't just
00:04:15pick up and choose which parts the EU it
00:04:18wants.
00:04:25of January 2020, the UK leaves the
00:04:30of of European of Union. Since then, Brexit has delivered new relationship with
00:04:33Brussels, but
00:04:34of created barriers for trade and businesses. Now,
00:04:38more than 10 years on from the vote, Prime Minister Andy Burnam says
00:04:42it's time to reopen the debate over EU membership.
00:04:46Brexit has done more harm than
00:04:50of good. We need to restore a higher
00:04:53level of growth and
00:04:55of prosperity for Britain. He stopped short of calling
00:04:58of for immediate referendum.
00:05:12certainly welcome it, but back in Britain, reaction is
00:05:15divided, reform UK leader Nigel Farage, who spearheaded the
00:05:19Brexit campaign, pleid to fight back. It's extraordinary, isn't it, a prime
00:05:23minister that wants unity, well the idea that referendum
00:05:27on the European Union will bring unity, it will bring the opposite complete
00:05:30division, public mood may be shifting though, latest polling of
00:05:34more than 11,000 brits showed 49% of voters
00:05:38support rejoining the EU, while 28.5%
00:05:42posed: why we left us beyond me from the
00:05:46first place, so I would love to go back, to go back it would kind of undermine
00:05:50democracy, but then that comes a point where enough's enough, I think they
00:05:54charge us enough lot of money to rejoin and um make us
00:05:58for gave a broken glass, but hey, us leaving was one the
00:06:02biggest catastrophes, I think it'd be good for the country, be good for the
00:06:05economy, be good for the workforce. European leaders have made it
00:06:09clear that any move back, short of full membership, would come with
00:06:13conditions? you cannot pick and choose among the freedoms the
00:06:17European Union and you cannot decide to take what suits
00:06:20you and not the rest. the UK and
00:06:24EU are due to meet for a summit in November, where Britain's post
00:06:28brixit relationship could take its next
00:06:31turn.
00:06:35well, let's meet our guests to discuss this one. joining me here in the studio, we have
00:06:39Adam Bolton, the political editor and broadcaster. Zoey
00:06:43Grunevalt is a political journalist and James Lions is
00:06:47Downing Street's former Director of Strategic Communications that was in Kier
00:06:51Starmer's government. You're all very welcome to this round table. Adam, I think we can
00:06:55agree Brexit was damaging, chaotic, toxic,
00:06:59call it what you want. Here we go again. Well, certainly
00:07:02the the Brexit debate, the argument around it and the inability to dissolve
00:07:06it for to resolve it for the 10 years afterwards was very damaging.
00:07:09And - Andy, Andy Burnham has, if you like, taboo, he
00:07:13has been the first prime minister of rather lot we've had
00:07:17recently to actually open up the argument to
00:07:20say, should we reconsider brexit, should
00:07:23we uh actually say already that we should have closer
00:07:27relationships with Europe, so uh that is
00:07:30certainly uh going to kick off debate, although it's important to
00:07:34say that his position is that there
00:07:38will be national discussion after which he will put a...
00:07:42posal in the labor manifesto at the next election
00:07:46uh and assuming he has time to do all that, that could be a long way
00:07:50short of actually saying rejoin, although it's possible it could could say
00:07:54rejoin or have another referendum. so to you, why is Andy Burnham
00:07:58doing this now? well, I think uh, it was quite clear in Andy Burnham's speech
00:08:02that he was almost kind of calling the electorats bluff, he essentially
00:08:05said, look, you might not like everything I've said today, but at least I'm saying something, at
00:08:09least I want to do some radical things and and try and enact. and change, I'm
00:08:13hearing that you're sick of Westminster, I'm hearing that you're sick the status quo, and I want to
00:08:16try and maybe undo some the mistakes, whether it's social care,
00:08:20whether it's Brexit, whatever, so I think he, he has people
00:08:24around him advisors, I mean
00:08:26you who are telling him about the economic impact of Brexit, he also linked
00:08:29in his speech Brexit to our inability to control immigration in
00:08:33this country as well, he talked about how it had actually not caused us to take
00:08:37back control, but for things to get worse when it came to our borders, so he has number of
00:08:41arguments there. but I think also he needs to find something to unite the
00:08:45left. Labor's lost quite a lot of support to the libdems, to the greens,
00:08:49particularly when K Stam was Prime Minister, and I think they're looking at reform and they're
00:08:53thinking, what battle do they want to fight? Well, maybe one of those things that can bring the
00:08:57left together again is actually rejoining or at least closer alignment with the EU,
00:09:01so I think there is a political strategy here as well as just following the
00:09:05economic damage and the damage to our immigration policy as
00:09:08well. Thanks, so James, whatever about uniting the left, it strikes me that...
00:09:12"this prime minister really needs to unite the kingdom, is this the kind of debate that can
00:09:16any way bring British people together again? well, I think what's very important for this
00:09:20prime minister is to bring the labour party together, we all know the circumstances in
00:09:24which Andy was installed in in Downing Street, and there's been a
00:09:27remarkable lack of kind of ranchor or anger within the Labor Party over that, and
00:09:31in part that's because of some excellent party management. You've seen this with the issue of
00:09:35Europe, you've also actually seen it with the issue of um Israel where
00:09:39there were announcing sanctions ahead the party conference." so I think um it's
00:09:43certainly about uniting um labor and if you look it alongside some
00:09:47the other things that Andy was talking about at the party
00:09:50conference, he was talking about Europe, he was talking about proportional representation,
00:09:54he was talking about social care, that sounds remarkably like the Liberal
00:09:57Democrats, on that point Adam, just talk to me about
00:10:01how damaging it has been to the UK economy, like
00:10:05they're talking what 6% of a hit to GDP, yeah I mean the
00:10:09estimate is that we've lost something like 6% year. to
00:10:12GDP and had that money been there, then the pressures on
00:10:16defense and elsewhere would would not have been there,
00:10:20and it's also very clear that, the reason for that
00:10:24economic hit. is that trade with Europe has been severely damaged, quite a
00:10:28lot of businesses have simply stopped trading with Europe or gone out of business
00:10:32all together because that was their main market,
00:10:35and another function, I think of of
00:10:39what Andy Burnham did uh was to put
00:10:43down a dividing line with the parties on the right, because of
00:10:46course Nigel Farage now heading reform UK was the absolute
00:10:50champion of Brexit, and those who remain in the tory...
00:10:55party, the toy party was split on the matter at the time, but those who
00:10:59can be bade not prepared remain all have to
00:11:02argue rather impossibly that Brexit has been a
00:11:05success. sorry to you, James mentioned the liberal democrats, they
00:11:09are pro Europe, they campaigned the last election and the one
00:11:13before it to go back in. do you think we're
00:11:16seeing the emergence of a future coalition
00:11:20government between labor and the libdems? it's interesting, I mean whether
00:11:24it would be a, an actual coalition as we know it,
00:11:27making up the government is one question, but I think some kind of
00:11:31electoral pact, where the kind of official or non-official is something that people are talking
00:11:35about, you know, on the one hand you have what is forming as
00:11:38as a real idea on the left, um, whether it be throughout labor,
00:11:42liberal democrats, greens, maybe there might have to be a stop reform
00:11:46coalition where you know there is an agreement, then in some seats they just can't
00:11:49let um the left-wing vote split and then reform comes into the
00:11:53middle, but what would labour have to offer to the lib dems or the
00:11:57greens to try and sure up that support? mean, an alliance with the greens is looking less
00:12:01and less likely as time goes on, but the lib dems, edvy when he when he
00:12:05uh joined this parliament, he said i want to be a constructive friend to labor, and that was
00:12:09when keer Starma was in power, so what would labour offer the
00:12:13Lib Dems and the greens? well, proportional representation is one, that is something that the greens
00:12:17have long been calling for and people on the left the party as well, and
00:12:20closer alignment with the EU and social care, as as as James said, that's absolutely...
00:12:25what the lib dems are campaigning on, james, how do you think Nigel Farage will be feeling about
00:12:29this, because he's always making positive sounds that policy from
00:12:33burnham is basically the kind of boost he's been looking for after very
00:12:36difficult few weeks and months, I think he will be very haartened by it, it's a it's an
00:12:40argument he wants to fight on on his own terrain, and actually um for all that
00:12:44the polling shows now that people have decided Brexit hasn't worked,
00:12:48actually people are still voting very much along Brexit lines if you look back at
00:12:52the kind of last um -
00:12:55local uh results, um, I don't think there needs to be
00:12:59any kind of formal electoral pactter, the voters, as
00:13:03ever are way ahead of Westminster, and if you look at the by-elections that
00:13:07have happened um in recent times, barring obviously Nigel's
00:13:11battle with the bin uh down in Clecton, um, reform have
00:13:14lost to uh the Greens and to Labor in England, they've lost to the Tories and the
00:13:18SMP in Scotland, and they've lost to the Welsh Nationalists in Wales, which
00:13:22tells you that voters are already.
00:13:25an anti-reform alliance. Adam, how important is it for the UK
00:13:29to move closer to Europe when we see a changing world, America's
00:13:32changed, China flexing its muscles, even Canada wanting to be part
00:13:36the European Union associate members. How important do you think it is for
00:13:40Britain to get back in? Well, fact matter
00:13:43is - European Union is Britain's biggest market, and
00:13:47so economic terms it makes a lot of sense, and
00:13:50now uh, we have the whole question the threat from Russia
00:13:54uh. and defense
00:13:58coalitions forming, I mean my own feeling is that
00:14:01actually rejoining uh the European
00:14:05Union is very, very long way uh in the
00:14:08future uh because uh Brexit changed an awful
00:14:12lot, I mean first of all
00:14:14we in this country we talk about yes we could rejoin Europe,
00:14:18well actually an awful lot of feelings and
00:14:22perceptions of Britain were affected by the...
00:14:33came out in the conflict in Iraq of saying
00:14:36really really quite offensive things
00:14:40and this also about France and Germany and and what we felt about them and so
00:14:44although some the centrist leaders in France and Germany are saying
00:14:48yes we would welcome Britain back those countries have got
00:14:52problems their own the governments are changing. and you
00:14:56know on top of that
00:14:59um we in this country
00:15:02probably we do want a trade alliance, we want
00:15:06greater co cooperation with europe on defense, but
00:15:10actually do we want to go back into the political superstructure, join
00:15:14the euro, which we'd probably have to do, might be a good
00:15:18idea, but would be a bit of sell to get rid the pound,
00:15:21and would we want to become a major contribution to the European? budget
00:15:25again, because presumably uh the thatcher rebate would be off the
00:15:29table, so I think there's going to be lot of practical
00:15:33moving closer, which will actually be the one thing the European Union said
00:15:37you couldn't. do which will be cherry picking, but I think that's a much more likely
00:15:40course than Britain saying, oh we've
00:15:43forgotten, we're just going to rejoin, not least, because
00:15:47presumably the main opposition parties, if labour is still in
00:15:51power, would be saying, well, if we go back in, we're going to come out again, so
00:15:55why should the Europeans sign up for something like that? thank you, Adam, sorry to
00:15:59you, how do you think Brussels feels about the prospect of Britain wanting to
00:16:02rejoin? I mean, would they even have the UK back? I think this is
00:16:06a really good... point and it's essentially what Adam was been to there, which is on the
00:16:10one hand, we might be thinking, this
00:16:12is decision that we'd like to make ourselves and people may have changed
00:16:16their minds, but you can't undo what's happened in the last 10 years, all the conversations
00:16:20that we had as and we're saying the comments that were made about France, about
00:16:24Brussels, about Europe as institution, also there is
00:16:28incentive there from Brussels to not let us in again easily, because they don't want
00:16:32everyone to think, oh they can hop out and they can hop back in when they've decided actually it's quite
00:16:35tough out there in the big wide world. so um you can absolutely imagine a
00:16:39scenario where we end up maybe with a worse deal than when we originally went
00:16:43in, and if you have to try and explain that to the
00:16:47country, it's going to be very, very difficult to sell. what we do have on our side is
00:16:51the fact that
00:16:51it is a change it is a changed world from where it was 10 years ago, the
00:16:55US is one the biggest factors in that, they aren't the ally that
00:16:59we necessarily thought they would be when we originally voted to leave uh
00:17:03Europe and the rest the world can see that
00:17:05there is of course the conflict in Europe as well. Russia's illegal
00:17:09invasion of Ukraine, which has changed the goal post here slightly,
00:17:13so I think there are incentives for us to get closer to Europe on
00:17:16both sides, but I think Adam is absolutely right that it isn't going to be one
00:17:20referendum that takes us back in on the same terms that we were originally in. I think what's
00:17:24going to be more likely is series of treaties over number of years that
00:17:28alliance is moving closer and closer together and us detangling
00:17:32ourselves as much as we can from the US and showing up our alliances
00:17:36in Europe. James, "you worked very closely in Downing Street with the
00:17:39previous Prime Minister, is there an argument that if Andy Burnham
00:17:43wins the next election, that he can say to the British public, we don't
00:17:47need to have referendum on this, I'm the prime minister, this is my
00:17:51government, and we're going back in. I think I think it um, it
00:17:55depends right, if you put it in the manifesto, I think you you could
00:17:59do that, but that is uh,
00:18:02that is increasing
00:18:03the risks at the general election, if
00:18:05you like, and I think..." referendums are pretty
00:18:09tough uh pretty tough things to to go through um it's not
00:18:13just the uh Brexit referendum it's also if you remember
00:18:16the the Scottish independence referendum and the the reverberations are
00:18:20still being felt from that north the border now so these
00:18:24are huge decisions for Andy Burnham to make um
00:18:28I'll be honest with you I'm not sure he knows what he's going to does do he
00:18:32right know Adam he I think you need big change in
00:18:35external circumstances I mean If for
00:18:38example, Russia attacks
00:18:42NATO, if Britain, unlike other
00:18:45countries goes into major economic collapse and has to be bailed
00:18:49out, and that means that majority, not
00:18:53just majority, but a super majority the British public
00:18:56think, Europe are our only allies around here, Americans aren't going to
00:19:00support us, we've got to rejoint, I think in those crisis
00:19:03circumstances you could see a...
00:19:07minister being able to take a position and say right, we're going back in and
00:19:11we're not having any argument, but I just don't think we got there yet, so we just just
00:19:15one point, the money, has the divorce bill been settled, does Britain
00:19:19still owe the EU money, does the EU owe Britain money, do we, I mean,
00:19:23these are all questions that will need to be hashed out right, and
00:19:26and when you look at the figures, they're so, they're so monumental, and there is always a cost to
00:19:30everything, there is huge economic price tags having left the EU, there would be
00:19:33huge one, I'm sure to rejoining again, but I just want to pick up on something that
00:19:36Adam said, which I think gets... really to the core the stupidity of Brexit, which it was
00:19:40the fact that the decision to leave the EU was so monumental, it was
00:19:44so complex, it was so incredibly detailed that reducing it to yes or
00:19:48no
00:19:48referendum,
00:19:55and we are going live now to the Turkish Capital Ankara where Turkia's
00:19:58president
00:20:00is is speaking after holding cabinet meeting, let's listen
00:20:03in. I would like to pray for
00:20:07the... souls of 11 of our citizens who
00:20:11lost their life in this tragic traffic accident
00:20:15taking place in Manisa and i also wish my condolences to
00:20:19their lot ones and their families. 13
00:20:22of our 26 injured citizens have been
00:20:26discharged, two them are in ICU and
00:20:3013 of our brothers and sisters are still under
00:20:33treatment. i wish every one them
00:20:36speedy. and
00:20:40hope and pray that God would never show such calamity whatsoever
00:20:44again toplantının
00:20:48a have recently completed the
00:20:5173rd cabinet meeting. In today's
00:20:55cabinet meeting we discussed the important agenda items
00:20:59of our country and our nation, and we exchange our
00:21:03views regarding to those important
00:21:05matters.
00:21:15Our country and our region,
00:21:17the working life, social policies.
00:21:20have we adopted in our cabinet meeting, i would like
00:21:36seeing with the to decisions remind
00:21:36that briefly what we have done in the last week
00:21:40as we serve our people and our nation, my dear brothers and
00:21:43sisters, 28
00:21:47dönem 5 yasam
00:24:20attended the opening ceremony the 77th international space
00:24:24congress, which was held for the first time in
00:24:27Turkia. this congress has been organized
00:24:30in Antalia and we have come together with the experts the air fields
00:24:34from 111 countries. as the republic of turkey we want to be
00:24:38stronger in space
00:24:40and in order to develop our own space technologies
00:24:43we have been putting lot of efforts and
00:24:45endeavors within the framework the moon
00:24:49researches.
00:25:28in the same program, in the same
00:25:31event, we have handed over the awards
00:25:34to the people have won
00:25:38the academic excellence in their fields. hope and pray
00:25:41that the new academic year will be alpicious for our students, for
00:25:45our professors and by taking this opportunity i would like to congratulate all
00:25:49those
00:26:02have attended the international justice summit which
00:26:06was organized with the following team: the summit of
00:26:10justice a shared responsibility for humanity. this is
00:26:14crystal clear fact, today the crimes are not
00:26:18perpetrated within the boundaries of a single country.
00:26:22whether it be a terrorist organization member, whether they are
00:26:26drag traffickers, anyone who perpetrates
00:26:30a crime will not be
00:27:03736 criminals to our country, it doesn't matter where
00:27:07they hide, as long as they are on the lives and the
00:27:10assets of our
00:27:11people,
00:27:32length of this high speed rail line is
00:27:36229 kms and the longest
00:27:40section of this railline
00:27:42(Çerkezköy)
00:27:46have been completed when all the segments
00:27:50of this project is completed the travel time from
00:27:54halkal to kapukule will be reduced
00:27:56from
00:28:02four
00:28:02hours 30 minutes.
00:28:239.5 million tons, by taking this opportunity i
00:28:27would like to congratulate all those who contributed to the
00:28:30realization of this project.
00:30:32ideological Let because me dogmas. state their the following openly and bluntly: every time
00:30:36when we utter the word urban
00:30:40transformation, there are some people who are accusing us
00:30:43of making unearned income and we are fed up with
00:30:47their groundless
00:30:48accusations.
00:30:53has the right
00:30:57No to one play with the lives of
00:30:59people our