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00:00:22station, and therefore to know what the train circulation
00:00:26is like at this time, but first the headline on the table: where are we
00:00:29today? Compared to 24
00:00:31hours ago, with a strike called precisely for
00:00:35railway safety, by drivers who already called it at the beginning
00:00:39of the year, after the accident in Adamuz on this same
00:00:42line, the safety,
00:00:46the lack of safety breaks the Spanish railway system.
00:00:49I think that's the reality of the day, without a doubt.
00:00:53Today was not the day for a strike of these
00:00:55characteristics. Well, I think we are in a context
00:00:59of a loss of confidence, this is very
00:01:02worrying in an infrastructure that is absolutely
00:01:05necessary and that is a top-level public service. It has
00:01:09happened in our country for some time with commuter trains and
00:01:13now it is happening with high-speed rail. The train and the headline, Ferran, is efficient,
00:01:16it is safe and it is sustainable, I don't know, I have, I have things to accumulate, I think we are facing
00:01:20what happened is a maximum misfortune with many victims and victims that
00:01:24everyone can ask if it could have been avoided, I think the question
00:01:28of many people is how can this happen? Yes, to add, because I totally
00:01:32agree, I think we will have to wait for the results of the investigations, but as of today
00:01:35and despite the fact that the train is a safe means, the
00:01:39feeling of security regarding this vehicle is clearly growing. Let's go to Girona,
00:01:43I said with Eva Geronés, Eva Geronés, Girona station, how is this
00:01:46strike
00:01:47being felt?
00:01:51Well, here in Girona these minimum services are also being complied with, and this
00:01:55means that at this time, at 9 o'clock,
00:01:58long-distance trains. For example, two have been cancelled,
00:02:02both were going towards Figueres. We have spoken with some
00:02:05of the users who had to travel and who have told
00:02:09us that they have been rebooked on the next train. As for
00:02:13Rodalies, we are at
00:02:16the mid-distance
00:02:19station here in Girona. For now, three
00:02:22trains have been cancelled following these
00:02:26trains involved in the accident, the AVE and the minimum services. What we can tell members of the Military Emergency Unit, you is that here in Girona today the incident
00:02:30is smaller than it would be on a normal working
00:02:33day because here it is
00:02:37obviously the high-speed a holiday, it's Sant Narcís and therefore there are many people
00:02:39who at this first hour who would be traveling to
00:02:42Barcelona or vice versa, well, today they haven't taken the
00:02:46train. Therefore, as you can see here in the hall there is a lot
00:02:50of calm, people are arriving in drips and drabs
00:02:53as they find that the train they planned to take
00:02:57is not running, so they are rebooked on their...
00:03:15of all, obviously, the railway
00:03:18family today expresses condolences because
00:03:21among the victims is the driver of
00:03:25the AVE train that yesterday collided with this
00:03:28Irio train.
00:03:34launched yesterday after I don't know if you want to add anything about this accident or about this issue, Mr.
00:03:35Cárdenas.
00:03:39Well, quite a lot
00:03:4137 survivors of was said yesterday with all the news that kept coming,
00:03:44audios and situations that happened. Today we will have 5
00:03:48minutes of silence at 12 noon in mourning for the
00:03:51victims who were already colleagues and
00:03:54the injured, we also have injured colleagues, so well, it's
00:03:58it's quite an important day.
00:04:00Because in the end, something stays inside you, thinking that
00:04:04our job is to travel on these trains or any of us on
00:04:08per line, normally, we have it like that in commuter trains, that tomorrow it could happen to you, so that fear, that
00:04:10resentment, you always have it there and it's
00:04:12that are here, eh, inside complicated, just as it can happen to passengers who are afraid. The way to
00:04:16solve it is to comply, comply, comply and comply, and for
00:04:19that, other things need to be done that politics has to decide.
00:04:23Yesterday after this accident, you questioned that it could be attributed
00:04:27to human error, you defended that the safety system should have prevented the
00:04:30collision. After having listened to Minister Puente, do you still think the
00:04:34same?
00:04:38Let's see, the situation was that we didn't have the necessary
00:04:42information. As the day progressed, the information became
00:04:44clearer, and much more so when yesterday, I don't remember if it was 8 or 9 at
00:04:48night, those leaked audios of the
00:04:52conversations of the command post with the driver came out. It's clear that
00:04:55there's human error because the technical system failed, because otherwise
00:04:59it's impossible for trains to collide today with the safety systems we
00:05:02have. If the technical system fails, that's when human
00:05:05decisions come in, and that's when it can happen because you have to
00:05:09sort of touch
00:05:11yesterday, it was not the it, I have to tell him, 'Hey, they have to give me permission.' For me to be able to pass that signal or to be able to continue
00:05:14at normal speed as the colleague told him. In the end, you have to listen
00:05:18to all the videos and
00:05:21all the conversations that took place to have a
00:05:24deep analysis. That came out yesterday, I suppose it came out because of someone's
00:05:28interest, no, you don't have to say that, but in the
00:05:31end, at least it's already orienting and we have a more
00:05:35global and much more accurate vision of what happened, for whose interest, Mr.
00:05:38Cárdenas?
00:05:42Well, I don't know, whoever leaked it,
00:05:45I guess, I have no idea, I don't go that far, I'm not
00:05:48looking for that, we're talking about people, both colleagues
00:05:51and passengers who unfortunately
00:05:54already total 68, if I'm not mistaken,
00:05:57and the least I can think about is whether
00:06:01this benefits one or another, whether it's a party, a company,
00:06:04whatever it is, here we have to think about the people and the families who have
00:06:08these losses, who are having a bad time, if not worse, therefore the rest is
00:06:21that it will surely grow as the rescue operations under the
00:06:24scrap metal, these large cranes that we have seen and that we are
00:06:28seeing, work.
00:06:30You from the unions also believe that it is inexplicable as
00:06:34the minister said. I say this because something that cannot be
00:06:37explained can happen again because you don't know why it happened,
00:06:41right?
00:06:46It doesn't happen because of that, the system, the system fails, the system
00:06:49stops, so everything stops and to be able to start
00:06:53it, in this case the drivers have to receive orders from the command
00:06:56post, that person is there for that, that is, this person is there for
00:06:59when there are problems, he is the one who decides, who commands, who orders, because he has the complete vision of the entire
00:07:03line, from Madrid to Seville, he sees everything and he is the one who has to end up
00:07:07deciding, you go first, you go after, you wait, you don't, you do, you
00:07:10overtake, you don't, he is the one who commands. He is, with all due respect, the
00:07:14railway traffic "Motsú de Escuadra", okay, the one who directs at the state
00:07:18level or on that specific line what needs to be done. Therefore, that
00:07:22person, with the audios from yesterday, made some
00:07:24decisions. It is true that we don't know the times, that's why
00:07:28I say that we still need to finish the information because we still don't know
00:07:32what information was given first, if it was given first to the AVE train that was
00:07:35behind or to the Irio train that was ahead, to go forward to the
00:07:39female driver, that is
00:07:43tells us, I don't know what you would have done, first try to get the train that is
00:07:46ahead out, and then try to get the train that is behind out, I think that's obvious, well, nothing
00:07:50else, so why didn't that
00:07:54happen, because when the colleague says that she can't leave because her ZB isn't restarting
00:07:57properly, the other one tells her, "Well, when you can, don't worry, when you can," but
00:08:01they don't warn the one behind if they've already given him permission to continue at normal speed,
00:08:05there's a small problem there, that's where the gap is, that's why a
00:08:09solution, and I say possible solution, would be to share that kind
00:08:12of decisions with more people, I don't know, to follow the
00:08:15saying that four eyes are better than two, that is, it's more possible that two people can
00:08:21the control room, Mr. Cárdenas, but wait a minute, wait a minute, because
00:08:24inside the room, I've never been to Adif's control room,
00:08:27but with the audios and with the
00:08:30recordings, other voices are heard, there are other
00:08:34people, in fact, questions are asked to someone else, is
00:08:38there only one person looking at all the sections
00:08:40because there is an auxiliary supervisor, that's what they
00:08:44put him as, because besides, this was
00:08:46explained.
00:08:50Let me explain what I know. We have a management center that
00:08:53gives us internal orders, which is from Renfe, but the
00:08:56circulation command post is from the
00:08:59Adif company. It's not my company, I haven't visited it, I don't know it, I can imagine
00:09:03how it works, but I'm not sure because I've never been there. Since it's another
00:09:07company, they will work in a certain way, and yes, you're right, at the end of the
00:09:11second audio from the Wigo company, people do come out from
00:09:14behind saying, "Hey, that train is having problems and so on." Of course, there has to be one person
00:09:20commuter trains, so when there's a problem, some
00:09:23theoretically collaborate with others, I don't know if it stayed there, no,
00:09:27I repeat that since it's another company, I haven't visited it, I don't
00:09:30know it and company. Well, in principle
00:09:34an assistant and a supervisor, so two people. This
00:09:37is what we know from the audios, we also hear these words,
00:09:41let's listen, and today? And today this strike precisely to demand more railway
00:09:45safety, some question that they have maintained it, I don't know
00:09:48if you yesterday seriously
00:09:51considered suspending it, the reasons and why you changed your mind if that were
00:09:54the case?
00:09:58No, no, let's see, the strike was called by only one union, which is SMAF, the rest of
00:10:01the unions on the general company committee of Renfe have not called anything,
00:10:05so with all due respect, I already said it yesterday in my statements,
00:10:09excuse me, you have joined, no?
00:10:14No, no, no union has joined, let's see, we understand
00:10:17that it was not the moment, especially after what happened
00:10:23moment. This can be done next week without any problem and surely it will have a
00:10:27massive following because after what has happened, it will have a massive following,
00:10:30but we don't understand that it's not the moment, as
00:10:34you are seeing, perhaps it is the most normal strike there has been in years and everything
00:10:38is functioning almost normally except for some normal exception
00:10:42of how we have the railway, but the rest works well, yes, indeed, from the
00:10:45first hour of the morning we are at Sants with a team from
00:10:49TV3's morning shows, they explain that
00:10:51precisely today the news is that all the minimum
00:10:55services are being complied with and therefore there are two at peak hour, two out of every three trains
00:10:59running, Francisco
00:11:08Lleida, because there too we can see
00:11:12strike by Semafi, and what is happening, Rut Cami, good
00:11:14morning.
00:11:18Good morning, well, we just arrived a short while ago, for now there's
00:11:22maximum calm. They have indeed told us here at the station that the minimum
00:11:26services are currently working normally, and we have been able to find
00:11:30out that the high-speed train that left at 7 left on time. The one that didn't
00:11:34leave was the 8 o'clock one, but they have provided an alternative, a bus for
00:11:37users, and we will see what happens with the next one that will leave after
00:11:4112. We are currently seeing users entering and
00:11:45leaving the station, few users, some know about
00:11:49this strike, others don't, but we will be
00:11:52pending this strike that lasts all day. About the incidents that
00:11:55may occur here in Lleida, at the station, which for now, from what we can
00:11:59see and perceive, the impact is minimal. However, there has been some
00:12:03user who has been affected and whose train will not leave, it seems,
00:12:07the train that had
00:12:16look, it's clear that all this that has happened
00:12:19will also have a political impact. Let's do
00:12:23that later, let's do this analysis later. Let's analyze it later about the audios, by the way, I don't know
00:12:27if we can recover them, the audios, which Cárdenas also talked about from UGT
00:12:30and about the interest or not, this links me to the political impact in the
00:12:34campaign, but let's listen, for now what has been leaked, let's remember
00:12:37from a cause of an investigation that is under
00:12:40summary secrecy, but last night these recordings between the
00:12:44Adif control center in Atocha and the drivers specifically of
00:12:48two of the trains, the two
00:12:51Irio, were leaked. We also know
00:12:55that there was a third one who said: "No, I can't resume normal speed." What
00:12:58is it they tell him, what is it they tell the AVE driver
00:13:02first? Let's listen.
00:13:06Atocha.
00:13:09Train driver, 2080. Yes,
00:13:132080. At 08:36.
00:13:17Yes, this says,
00:13:21train driver, train
00:13:27driver 20
00:13:3080,
00:13:32disconnect
00:13:34disconnect and reconnect and reconnect
00:13:38the
00:13:43LZB, LZB and resume
00:13:46march and resume march under the
00:13:49BSL, under the BSL with
00:13:53normal march.
00:14:046 minutes before, because this is the chronology that Puente explains when he appeared
00:14:08a few minutes before 3 in the afternoon. At 8:30, the LZB
00:14:11control system crashed due to an error in the computers, he said, already a 63 km
00:14:15section was left without the safety system, and that's why it switched to manual, that's why
00:14:18these orders from the control center in Atocha, Madrid. The convoys,
00:14:22Puente says, around six.
00:14:35who receives these indications when
00:14:38she, when she says I can't start, I can't start because it has
00:14:42recovered and they tell everyone to circulate, she says I can't start the
00:14:45train, this is the recording that has also been
00:14:48released,
00:14:496076.
00:15:119:15, we have the following connections with TV3
00:15:15teams, on the one hand, from the scene of the events, I also have
00:15:19Edu Vatlles from Toledo, plus Manu Alonso from
00:15:22Atocha.
00:15:25You control all these types of information, the audios
00:15:28we just heard, which have been leaked, what do they
00:15:32show? This
00:15:35explains the chain
00:15:37of errors that occurred yesterday.
00:15:41First, there is this breakdown of the LZB system, which is the
00:15:44railway safety system installed in this area and which, by the way,
00:15:48was in the process of being replaced by another of a higher quality
00:15:52standard, which is the so-called ERTMS system. When this safety
00:15:55system is blocked, all the trains that were in this
00:15:59section of the track, because we must understand that this track, this high-speed
00:16:03line between Madrid and Andalusia, is divided into sections, which are the
00:16:06so-called... So all the trains that were in this 63
00:16:10km section stop automatically when this safety
00:16:14system fails, and these audios tell us how six minutes after this
00:16:17breakdown, which occurs at half past eight in the morning, at half
00:16:21past eight and six, from the control center, they are the ones who notify
00:16:25the AVE train driver that he can resume march, but that he can do it
00:16:28at normal march, as we were just hearing. This is where
00:16:32railway regulations are violated, which state that when there has
00:16:36been a system failure of security, there is what is called in railway jargon
00:16:39a degradation of railway security, the march must be resumed
00:16:42with a visible march, that is, with a maximum
00:16:46speed of 40 km/h, so that the driver, say,
00:16:50say, but here in this conversation there are two people who do not respect this norm that you just said,
00:16:54which is the one who is giving the order from
00:16:57Atocha and the one who is receiving the order, which is the AVE driver, because
00:17:01we do know, because it has emerged, that there is another driver who, when he receives
00:17:05this same order from Atocha, presumably from the same
00:17:08person, but this audio, no, no, we don't have it,
00:17:11he says: "Excuse me, but this has to be 'marcha vista'," which is the railway
00:17:15jargon, "listen, at 40 km per hour, so that way
00:17:18you can brake, you can
00:17:21brake a train of these characteristics with a weight that carries
00:17:24an inertia that makes it impossible to think that at 200 km/h, 180
00:17:28km/h it can brake in how many meters? Wait, this
00:17:32on the one hand, this same thing, this
00:17:35must be known by both the technician at the control
00:17:39center and the driver, therefore here the human error
00:17:42is at least double, but from more people. A few minutes ago you asked
00:17:46Francisco Cárdenas about the management at this control center, we yesterday spoke
00:17:50with Adif staff and we have been able to visit in recent months the control
00:17:53center, not the one in Atocha, but the one at Estació de França that controls the entire
00:17:57Catalan railway network, and what happens when there is this railway degradation, the
00:18:00protocol dictates that the person who is controlling this section, because a single person
00:18:04does not control the entire Madrid-Andalusia line, but
00:18:08this section must be accompanied by an
00:18:10assistant who helps with this operation. It must also have
00:18:14a supervisor who is controlling the tasks being
00:18:18carried out to resume circulation normally in all this section that has stopped.
00:18:21Therefore, here we are talking about at least three people and then about a very
00:18:25large screen, you can retrieve the 23
00:18:28archive, we have images of both the Atocha center and the Estació de França one, there is a
00:18:32very large screen where you can see all these sections of a railway
00:18:36line.
00:18:44don't imagine that they have a big screen with lots of trains moving, no, it goes by sections and the
00:18:47section where there is a train is in red, then where there is no
00:19:02hours we are talking to many people, there are
00:19:05many engineers who tell you, "Look, I prefer more with the information we
00:19:08have now, not yet to go out and give my opinion or to make my
00:19:12analysis." Eh, there are those who say that
00:19:15after listening to these audios, basic rules of the
00:19:18railway safety system are contravened, and I
00:19:22literally read, but these audios that we have heard, I believe they present
00:19:25or show us a human error of such
00:19:29dimensions that the fact that this human
00:19:32error is possible makes it systemic, it cannot
00:19:36happen. Common sense says that if
00:19:40an automatism fails, as is the case, depending only
00:19:43on the success or
00:19:46error of a person, and I believe that this is the dark point in the
00:19:50management of everything when human error becomes
00:19:53systemic. Yes, there is also a concatenation because
00:19:56the first failure is the LZB system, this
00:20:00one, right? Which is the one that when it fails, the trains stop, which is what happened,
00:20:03but then there is another more primitive system but also
00:20:07present, which is the traffic lights, right?
00:20:10In theory, the AVE
00:20:13driver should have encountered a
00:20:16red traffic light that told him not to go forward because the track was not
00:20:20clear. They will have to explain what happened with
00:20:23this second system, right? And then what seems most
00:20:26amazing to me, although one must be very careful and very
00:20:30cautious because we don't know anything, we are not specialists and we don't
00:20:33really know the data about what
00:20:37happened, is that such a complex system as the AVE
00:20:41ends up, its final solution in case
00:20:45the initial safety systems fail,
00:20:48with a person looking at a screen. Yes, it seems like such a
00:20:52complex system should end
00:20:55up, because if it's a machine, it should end up with
00:20:59another machine that interprets the data on the
00:21:02screen and says this is not right. Wait for us to wait on
00:21:05this for a moment, because what can you add about what was being put on the table
00:21:09here? Yes, regarding what you were saying,
00:21:13when this LZB system fails, the resumption is
00:21:16done with the so-called
00:21:20SL system, which means the lateral signal block, which is when the
00:21:23driver also has to check, not only with the orders he receives
00:21:27from the control center, but also with what he sees as he advances
00:21:31along the track, he sees the signals that mark the maximum speed and
00:21:34also these traffic lights that determine if he can advance or not. These are
00:21:38traffic lights that determine if in this section of the track ahead
00:21:42there is a train or not. When he finds a red traffic light,
00:21:46he has to stop unless the control center authorizes
00:21:50him to do what is called a bypassing
00:21:54of this signal. In this audio we heard, we didn't hear that he was
00:21:57authorized to perform this bypassing of a red traffic light, but that's what
00:22:01happened because a few meters before the point where the accident occurred, there was a red traffic light,
00:22:05therefore this is another of the unknowns if he was authorized or not to
00:22:09pass this red traffic light, if it was the driver who upon receiving
00:22:13this indication that he could resume
00:22:15normal march interpreted
00:22:20that he could do so even if that traffic light was red. Before saying goodbye to you, what is happening behind
00:22:24you? Because you are at the scene, here the tasks continue with the Civil
00:22:27Guard, these two large cranes that we have been seeing since early morning, which have worked
00:22:31all night to remove large pieces of scrap metal and
00:22:34find victims, injured
00:22:38victims or fatalities because we already know the authorities say there will be
00:22:41more.
00:22:44Work has been ongoing here all night,
00:22:48as you said, with these
00:22:50efforts and with work that is largely manual, because the
00:22:53higher cranes that you can see behind us, we are about 200
00:22:57meters from the track and the crashed trains, are
00:23:00holding some of the wagons that had fallen down the embankment and had a
00:23:03precarious balance, and underneath, manually,
00:23:07the workers who have arrived here are not only from the
00:23:11railway companies but also
00:23:14the Civil Guard, the Judicial Police, they are the ones extracting
00:23:18parts of this wagon. With two priorities: the first,
00:23:22to see if there are still bodies trapped and therefore if the death
00:23:25toll increases, second, to find
00:23:28clues that can explain the circumstances, the causes we already
00:23:31have clear clues, but at least the circumstances, at what speed
00:23:35was the train traveling, also to recover the boxes.
00:23:38blacks of the two trains that crashed yesterday, here
00:23:41meanwhile there are many tens of members of the emergency
00:23:44and security forces who are here, this is the advanced
00:23:48command center. which has been located here in the municipality of Los
00:23:52Lievenes, although we are close to this technical station of Urda and as you can see there is also
00:23:55a large presence of international press, they have told us that during
00:23:59this morning the Civil Guard will update the
00:24:02eh latest tasks that have been carried out during the day and we will see if there is
00:24:06also an update on the number of fatalities, but in
00:24:10any case here the activity today already 24 hours after
00:24:13this serious railway accident continues to be frenetic, well from
00:24:17this point to Toledo, thank you for... I suppose that
00:24:21in Toledo there is the Institute of Legal Medicine where the
00:24:24identification of the fatalities of this accident must be done, Eduard Valles is there,
00:24:28before we greeted Eduard, um, how is this
00:24:32process
00:24:32expected to be carried out?
00:24:36Well, eh, little by little during this morning the first
00:24:39identification of these bodies will be made, there are already
00:24:4352 here at this Institute of Legal Medicine and
00:24:46Forensic Science in Toledo, there are two more also at the Institute
00:24:50of Legal Medicine in Ciudad Real. Eight autopsies have already been performed.
00:24:53In fact, during today, in principle, eh,
00:24:57autopsies should be performed on the rest of the bodies
00:25:02the Institute and what we see here behind me is all the
00:25:06eh the deployment of the military, of the
00:25:09UME, with trucks, with eh, with cars, in
00:25:13fact, they have also mobilized auxiliary tents for this eh
00:25:17institute because the capacity of this institute of legal
00:25:21and forensic medicine is not enough, so far what we have seen is forensic
00:25:24doctors arrive, about twenty,
00:25:28some mobilized by the Ministry of Justice, and what we saw
00:25:31just a few moments ago, Ariadna, is how a
00:25:35family member approached, asked the police what
00:25:38she had to do, she was asked to return to the Civil Guard headquarters very
00:25:42close to where we are now because that is where the
00:25:45DNA is being collected where these reports are being
00:25:49filed. eh of disappearance eh, to give you a
00:25:52bit of an idea of the process of how it should be done or how
00:25:55it is being done eh all in all, first these family members have to go to the
00:25:59Civil Guard headquarters to report the
00:26:02disappearance of their family member, they are interviewed where they are
00:26:06asked for example, in which wagon they were traveling, what
00:26:09clothes they were wearing, all that information that helps the
00:26:13forensic experts to identify the victims, finally a
00:26:16DNA sample is taken, finally when this
00:26:20identification is made, the last step logically is
00:26:23to communicate the death and communicate eh, who
00:26:27is eh the victim, who is their
00:26:30family member, this is a process eh... long that begins today, it will not
00:26:34end today all this process of identification of the
00:26:37victims because as happened in the Demut accident of this
00:26:41month of January, in many cases it is
00:26:44complicated, it is difficult
00:26:47to identify eh the victims, especially those
00:26:50eh bodies that have unfortunately been more
00:26:53damaged. Thanks to Edo Valles from
00:26:57Toledo and behind each of the victims,
00:27:0068 so far fatalities. 170
00:27:03injured, obviously, with stories that will happen to some
00:27:07of these pardol where this center is to identify the dead,
00:27:10um, by the way, we hear, we hear some
00:27:14of the people who experienced this accident first hand yesterday, some of whom also
00:27:17told us this morning, others directly
00:27:21sent videos through social networks, through whatsapp
00:27:25groups, this is their testimony,
00:27:29this is the head of the young Renfe. Holy
00:27:32cow, it's also a very serious accident on the Renfe
00:27:36side.
00:27:44A sudden stop, the train starts to rattle, we grabbed on
00:27:48as best we could, seeing that the train was derailing and
00:27:51overturning, you are in shock, this cannot be happening and
00:27:55then we reacted and broke the window and got out through the window,
00:27:59we tried to get out through the windows and the doors by forcing them and we see
00:28:02the Dantean spectacle on the other side of a destroyed train
00:28:06that we imagine is the one it
00:28:08collided with,
00:28:10this man and I have pulled out people there who, we don't know what state they are in, right now
00:28:14I am holding the IV of an injured person, I am here helping the
00:28:18medics a bit, we all flew through the
00:28:22air, but I am reasonably well, my colleague
00:28:25is doing well and most of the people who were traveling in the
00:28:29direction of the train's movement
00:28:34eh all this meant that immediately eh and
00:28:39service between Madrid and Seville was interrupted
00:28:43and this will continue for a few weeks at least until mid-December
00:28:46which is what they are going to explain this has its repercussions
00:28:50also in Madrid at the neurological center of this whole high-speed
00:28:53railway network which is also radial Manu
00:28:57Alonso here in Atocha which is what is happening
00:29:00today.
00:29:03Well, here in Atocha, yes, you can feel this
00:29:06halt of the railway line with
00:29:09Andalusia, few trains arrive, if we look at the screens
00:29:13we see that this line, the trains of this line are
00:29:17cancelled, but we also see the effects of this strike called
00:29:21by the railway union Semaf, a 24-hour
00:29:24strike that affects more than 6,000 workers of the Renfe
00:29:28group, meanwhile the Suma 112 continues
00:29:31to work at the psychosocial assistance point that it
00:29:36the Urda accident and eh we can say that
00:29:39yesterday it attended a total of 86 families and
00:29:44the accident, perhaps the most visual sign we have here in Atocha of this
00:29:48accident is a small altar, a wreath of flowers with some candles
00:29:51that is placed right here in the arrival
00:29:54area of the high-speed train in Atocha.
00:29:58Semaf eh has decided not to call off a strike that it had already
00:30:02called. It was long before it was known eh that this
00:30:05accident had happened on October 16 because it considers that eh the reasons
00:30:08for eh continuing with this strike are more alive than ever and it is
00:30:12that according to this union well many points have not been completed,
00:30:15many of them related to railway
00:30:19safety that were agreed with Adif and with the
00:30:22Ministry of Transport after the accident in
00:30:25Damuz that happened six months ago, nine months
00:30:28pardon me, thank you Manu
00:30:31Alonso from... from Atocha, let's do something, let's recap from the
00:30:35explanations of Minister Puente and other data that we know, this accident that happened
00:30:39just over 24 hours ago, Oscar, yes,
00:30:42Ariadna, this is what we know right now about how the events unfolded, let's start
00:30:46at 7:54, which is
00:30:49when the first train leaves Madrid for Atocha, it is
00:30:52Lirio with number 60-76 which
00:30:55goes to Andalusia with 147 passengers on
00:30:59board, 6.