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00:00:00they had to enter to know exactly in which room he was
00:00:04admitted, uh, the change from ICU to ward, all this
00:00:08is an investigation as the Mossos d'Esquadra certainly must have done previously, Roger,
00:00:11effectively, no, I think there are certain actions, Toni has explained it very well, it's the information that
00:00:15is currently known, that we have to wait for the investigation
00:00:19the most serious high-speed to progress, to know what happened, to analyze all the information,
00:00:22no, these are public places, there are security cameras, there are elements
00:00:26that can show who these people are, how they acted and...
00:00:30therefore we have to wait for this resolution, no, therefore sometimes we can
00:00:34affirm that reality surpasses fiction, the couple,
00:00:37sorry, the couple who was there sleeping with him was not injured, no,
00:00:41therefore she is a very important witness and
00:00:43square of Urda, right in front of they were going, for example, like, sorry, it sounds like a TV series, but
00:00:47it seems like a series, it's incredible, were they wearing some kind
00:00:50of mask? We don't know that, that hasn't been commented on,
00:00:53by us, but it's possible that this couple, hearing the shots,
00:00:57must have seen something, right? Also the cameras. The hospital's security cameras also tell us that
00:01:01now the Mossos d'Esquadra are asking all the businesses in the vicinity of
00:01:05the area to see if they have images that can identify these
00:01:08people and we'll see, I suppose this afternoon we'll have more details
00:01:12and I also suppose that the medical emergency service must have activated some type
00:01:15of psychological support protocol for all the
00:01:19doctors and nurses eh of the center of
00:01:22the Hospital Joan XXIII because after an impact like
00:01:25this of security, eh, it's
00:01:28important.
00:01:30the psychological support service for both the professionals of the
00:01:35consequence of hospital center, because, of course, they are obviously not used to two gunmen entering
00:01:38there and ending the life of a patient. Now we heard the counselor
00:01:42explaining that this type of service has been made available for all the professionals who
00:01:45need it so that they can, well, eh, explain
00:01:49everything they have experienced and where they left, where they exited, it is
00:01:52known, well, they must have left through one of the, well, obviously through
00:01:56one of the accesses, I mean through the door, I mean not the fact that it was morning. Clearly,
00:02:00the comment, the comment from the bar, allow me, that everyone
00:02:04eh, it seems like there are more and more of them,
00:02:07this is true, and there is
00:02:10concern among the Mossos, yes, of course,
00:02:12memory. What evidently, the issue is that this concern of the Mossos d'Esquadra has been
00:02:15around for a long time, the issue is that perhaps the message was not reaching society as much,
00:02:19we did not see it translated into something like what is happening, no, clear, throughout this
00:02:23year we have had a season of crimes that completely
00:02:27show that these gangs feel very strong, no, let's remember the... the crime in Balmes street,
00:02:30no? in front of the police station, now
00:02:34a settling of scores inside a hospital room, let's see, I mean
00:02:38we've had a series of crimes that show that they are all linked to organized crime
00:02:41and that they show that there is organized crime in Catalonia,
00:02:45that there are very powerful mafias and that all this has to do with marijuana, that is,
00:02:49these are mafias that land in Catalonia attracted by the low
00:02:52penalties for marijuana trafficking, eh, and by the good
00:02:56distribution to other channels and to Europe that Catalonia has,
00:02:59of course. This leads to the fact that, in the end, the differences between these gangs are
00:03:03settled with gunshots in broad daylight and in unusual scenarios.
00:03:06Ah, we also learned today that there was a suicide in Brians, yes, this
00:03:10is there was one on Saturday and today we had another one and it is about
00:03:14a karate teacher who was condemned yesterday to
00:03:1726 years in prison for abusing his students. Yesterday he received this
00:03:21sentence and today he committed suicide in
00:03:24Brians 1 prison. It's Carlos Fernández, a 67-year-old
00:03:28man who...
00:03:31identification center, which is also... integrated by the director of had been imprisoned for three years accused of having abused his minor
00:03:34of scientific police, and even by the heads of students from the Claret sports center. He was a Karate teacher,
00:03:38he had abused his students, yesterday he reached an agreement with the prosecutor's office, he admitted the
00:03:42facts, tonight he committed suicide in Brians, uh, well, thanks for
00:03:45this breaking news, Toni Muñoz, we continue, when three
00:03:49minutes past one, gathering all the information regarding
00:03:53the Toledo tragedy because another of the most delicate
00:03:56tasks after an accident like this is that of the forensic doctors.
00:04:00to identify the mortal victims and to be able to know how they work,
00:04:03how these professionals work, now we can greet Eneco Barberia, director of
00:04:07the Institute of Legal Medicine and Forensic Sciences of Catalonia, good morning doctor and thank
00:04:11you very much, good morning,
00:04:14um, it is difficult I understand that we can put ourselves in the
00:04:18shoes of the professionals who arrive at the
00:04:22first moment of a tragedy like
00:04:24this with dozens of mortal victims, eh, how is the
00:04:28work of the doctors organized?
00:04:33If you allow me, first I wanted to express my
00:04:35condolences as director of the Institute of Legal and Forensic Medicine of Catalonia to all
00:04:39the families, all those affected and also
00:04:43to support my colleagues from the Institute of Legal Medicine of
00:04:46Toledo and Ciudad Real who are the ones facing this tragedy at this moment. Also, I would like to say that
00:04:50we had offered, if necessary,
00:04:54a team of 10 professionals from IMELAC, the Institute of Medicine
00:04:58of Catalonia, to collaborate. Having said that, eh, it is
00:05:01protocolized. Since 2009 there is a forensic intervention protocol
00:05:05for these events that establishes the phases in which
00:05:08intervention takes place, eh, initially at the scene of the
00:05:12events, where a set of actions are carried out, basically
00:05:15the removal of bodies, eh, jointly with the scientific
00:05:18police and with the judicial authority, and then the
00:05:21second phase is carried out, which is the phase of the autopsies, of the
00:05:25post-mortem studies. This is basically how,
00:05:29yes, excuse me, no, in
00:05:31a railway accident like this, with a tragedy like this, with such a violent
00:05:35impact, eh, what difficulties do you also encounter when
00:05:38working and examining all the bodies?
00:05:43Surely the most important difficulty that the colleagues will encounter
00:05:46will be the degree of traumatization of the bodies and
00:05:50fragmentation, there is fragmentation due to the very important
00:05:53energy that is released from machines that weigh
00:05:57a lot, so this is a fundamental aspect.
00:06:01It is also important when identifying
00:06:03the nationality of the victims, surely the majority will be
00:06:07Spanish, this will accelerate the
00:06:10identification and in this way. I also wanted to emphasize that people should get information
00:06:14from official sources when providing information that may be
00:06:18of interest to compare because in the end, identifying is comparing
00:06:21comparing information you have in life, whether it's
00:06:25odontology, whether it's the fingerprints from the ID card, or
00:06:28whether it's a genetic profile or a family relationship
00:06:32with the samples and data that are obtained post-mortem, in the
00:06:36autopsies, which would be these same data that
00:06:39then have to be reconciled to reach identification. Because
00:06:43autopsies must be performed on all victims even if it seems obvious that they have died as a
00:06:47the accident? Yes, autopsies will be performed on all
00:06:51victims, with the aim, first, of identifying the
00:06:55victims, second, of knowing the cause of death, eh,
00:06:58in a very detailed way, surely the majority will be
00:07:01traumas or polytraumas, but these autopsies will also
00:07:04allow to extract information that may be of interest for identification, in addition to the data
00:07:08I told you before, you can also extract.
00:07:12identification if you have data, for example, a medical record, a medical
00:07:16device, which are very relevant data and in an indicative way, it will also
00:07:19assess tattoos, eh,
00:07:22scars, as a set of objects or
00:07:25personal items that can guide so that then
00:07:28the primary identification criteria are applied, which are the three that were mentioned before, fingerprints,
00:07:32forensic odontology, and the
00:07:35genetic profile. Doctor Barbaria, Roger had a question for you, hello
00:07:39doctor, good morning, yes, you explained this decree very well, this 32/2009 decree,
00:07:42I wanted to ask you to explain the importance of this decree for the creation
00:07:46of a new element such as the data integration center,
00:07:50the CID?
00:07:52Yes, the decree
00:07:54had two major novelties at the time, one was the
00:07:57mandatory collection of a sample for genetic studies and then the creation, as you
00:08:01say, of the data integration center, no, the CIED, this data
00:08:05integration center, what it does is eh combine or reconcile
00:08:08the information obtained from families, basically the...
00:08:12which they provide, which is called ante-mortem, it can be a dental
00:08:15record, it can be that the police provide the fingerprints
00:08:19from the ID card, it can be that they provide all the samples
00:08:23from the relatives to extract the DNA and then this is what
00:08:27is compared with the data extracted post-mortem, not the
00:08:31data you have from the autopsy or the genetic studies that are done
00:08:34later, this results in a joint
00:08:37identification document that is signed by the data
00:08:43the corresponding Institute, also by the heads
00:08:47the laboratory at the DNA practice level, and a joint
00:08:51report is made that is submitted to the judicial authority, and it is this
00:08:54data integration center that is extracting and updating all the information, it is somewhat
00:08:58like the forensic command center, so to speak,
00:09:01that handles all the crisis management and from where
00:09:05the official information comes out, eh, Dr.
00:09:09Barberia, let's make a stop for a moment because we want to go through...
00:09:12Sara, because in relation to everything we were commenting on the identification of the
00:09:16victims, eh, what is happening on social media, Sara?
00:09:19Well, what is happening is that the authorities are precisely warning that false messages are being
00:09:23spread about alleged identifications of victims
00:09:27of the accident. This is the data integration center that
00:09:30emphasizes that these communications are always made personally and
00:09:33in person, never by phone, but it is that the entity has been able to know that there are relatives
00:09:37of possible fatal victims who are receiving calls and
00:09:41messages via SAM. They say that supposedly the Civil Guard
00:09:44informs them of the identification of lifeless bodies that
00:09:48could belong to their relatives. They are asking those affected not to believe
00:09:51these messages or phone calls in this
00:09:55regard. On the other hand, also still on the identification of victims, the Ministry of Interior
00:09:59confirms that aboard the trains they already know that 42
00:10:02foreign citizens of seven different nationalities were traveling and that they are in
00:10:05contact with the corresponding embassies. Among these people, they have one fatal
00:10:09victim, seven injured people, 10 unharmed and 24 citizens
00:10:13about whom they still have no information. Eh, thank
00:10:16you very much, Sara. We say goodbye to Dr. Eneco Barberia at this point. Thank
00:10:20you very much for attending us and for explaining all the work done by the
00:10:23emergency services.
00:10:34Feijó has come, he has been to the scene of the tragedy, he has
00:10:36seen, we have been informed of the current
00:10:39situation, the severity of the accident, the
00:10:43number of victims, the number of injured, the situation of these
00:10:46injured people in the hospitals, and
00:10:50today he comes to check here in Urda, also to thank the people of
00:10:53Urda. for what they did yesterday for those
00:10:56affected people, for those families who were
00:11:00suffering the pain of both the injured and
00:11:03the deceased, and I want to thank the people of Urda for that
00:11:06dedication, everything we did, we collaborated,
00:11:10helping, eh, being
00:11:13with those people who were suffering at that moment and
00:11:16sharing the pain, that pain that we in Urda felt because of
00:11:19proximity, but that in the end affected all the nearby towns, the province of
00:11:23Toledo, to the...
00:11:44Thank you very much to the mayor for his integrity, for his
00:11:47willingness from the first moment to help and for the success of his help. I want to start at the
00:11:51beginning, and the beginning is
00:11:55our respect for the dead,
00:11:57to express our condolences to their
00:12:01families and to wish that the
00:12:04injured who are still in ICUs or in surgical blocks
00:12:08already in hospitalization can
00:12:11move forward and that the number of deceased does not
00:12:15continue to increase, at least of those who
00:12:19are currently in hospitals.
00:12:23It is evident that... at this moment
00:12:26we need a cool
00:12:29head,
00:12:32respect, but also
00:12:37has happened has cut short the
00:12:40lives of many people, but it has also
00:12:42cut short
00:12:45eh the lives of the children
00:12:46of
00:12:49the husbands or wives, of the parents
00:12:52of all those victims.
00:12:58Yesterday we saw from the accident the best of
00:13:01Spain. We saw a town that
00:13:05takes its cars and goes to the countryside where the
00:13:07AVE railway line crosses,
00:13:11we saw the pharmacist, the pharmacist of
00:13:14this town with an exemplary attitude and we saw
00:13:17how the services, the emergency services first, the
00:13:21health services second and the state security forces
00:13:25acted with enormous professionalism. That is the face of the
00:13:28best of Spain, because the best of Spain
00:13:31exists and I feel very proud to be Spanish at
00:13:35a time like this. I also want
00:13:38to tell you that
00:13:42after the urgent comes the
00:13:44important.
00:13:47More than 100 dead in
00:13:51two high-speed train accidents in 8 months and
00:13:54the same railway corridor
00:13:58entails a questioning of
00:14:01our current railway system. We must
00:14:04accept it. Spaniards need answers and Spaniards
00:14:08are asking themselves what
00:14:11is happening with high-speed rail in our
00:14:14country. I want to tell
00:14:16you
00:14:19that we are going to respect the
00:14:23dead, we are going to bury them, we are going to
00:14:25accompany their but it is clear that we have
00:14:29to make decisions,
00:14:32political responsibilities cannot be assumed once an investigation
00:14:35has concluded. In my opinion, political responsibilities are not
00:14:39optional, they are essential from an ethical
00:14:43and moral point of view,
00:14:45and I also want to convey that I have always been clear about it, but
00:14:49if anything, in recent months more than ever, politics.
00:14:53política.
00:14:56is not about discrediting, politics is not
00:14:58about talking, politics is about
00:15:02doing, and to hold a political
00:15:05position, and even more so if it has a technical component,
00:15:09three things are needed: first, experience, second,
00:15:13management, and third, rigor,
00:15:16and therefore, appointments must be made to people who
00:15:19have traceability and experience in the positions that.
00:15:23experiencia en los carros que.
00:15:25who are very clear that the management of public affairs is
00:15:28learned and rigor in management is an
00:15:32inexcusable requirement and therefore I will always
00:15:36say experience,
00:15:43experience and experience, management, management and management and
00:15:46rigor, rigor and rigor. These are the words of the leader of the Popular Party, Alberto
00:15:50Núñez Feijó, from the scene of the events, recognizing that the Spanish railway system has been questioned, the safety
00:15:53of this railway system and demanding political responsibilities
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00:21:20witnesses who are experiencing the railway tragedy in Urda,
00:21:24Toledo, first-hand, Eduard Valles, what can you tell us at this
00:21:26time?
00:21:30Well, we are in the main
00:21:33the town hall, in fact, at this very moment Alberto Núñez Feijó is making
00:21:37his statements, we heard him just before the
00:21:40commercial break and at this moment we have been able to talk to some
00:21:44neighbors, even a short while ago we saw a very
00:21:48young girl crying, still affected by everything this town is experiencing
00:21:51in 24 hours and what we find is the same
00:21:55feeling as when we were in Ademuz, the neighbors of Ademuz told
00:21:58us: what a pity that now the town will be
00:22:01remembered for a train accident and not for all the good things
00:22:05the town has. Here we had a bit of the same
00:22:08feeling, neighbors who told us: well, now the town of Urda will be
00:22:12remembered for this tragic accident that for now leaves
00:22:15these 69 fatal victims. Yesterday we also collected
00:22:19others. For example, the priest
00:22:22of Consuegra, one of the towns here in the area, very
00:22:26close to where we are now, and he told us that he was one of the first
00:22:29to arrive at the accident scene and that what surprised him, what amazed him,
00:22:33was that injured people were telling them:
00:22:37no, no, don't attend to me, go further because there are
00:22:40people much more seriously injured than me. The
00:22:44neighbors here in Urda also told us that they helped with everything they could, with water and
00:22:47food in the pavilions where we were yesterday. Eh, there was
00:22:50leftover food, leftover water, because the help, eh, was really
00:22:54very important because all the neighbors got
00:22:57involved, even leaving chargers to
00:23:00charge mobile phones and we also spoke yesterday, for example, with a
00:23:04psychologist, eh, who told us that everyone experiences this
00:23:07moment, eh, as best they can, not only the relatives but also the neighbors and
00:23:11she recommended, for example, to the neighbors of this area that if it was not
00:23:14indispensable, if it was not very necessary, that they refrain, for
00:23:17example, from watching television.
00:23:22certainly it was, well, a Dantean panorama, no,
00:23:26of, well, you can imagine, we can imagine, of
00:23:30of of of lifeless bodies, of of seriously
00:23:33injured people, of tangled iron, of dismembered
00:23:37bodies. I was impressed when some of them, who were lying on
00:23:40the ground, bloody, possibly with some fracture,
00:23:43said, "Don't come near, let them go to others who are
00:23:47more serious, who are further away and are more serious than us," no, so
00:23:51it was impressive, no. I was at mass and in front of me there was
00:23:54a man, bloody, his
00:23:57shirt, his suit was pulled back, and I thought,
00:24:00"If something happened to me, I would like someone to
00:24:03help me," so when mass was over, I told him, "Sir, if
00:24:07you want to shower or eat at my house or whatever," no, "thank
00:24:11you very much," he said, "but my wife is coming for me right now," and
00:24:15we have all been very supportive and if we haven't been more so, it's because we couldn't
00:24:18do more, but it has been the support of many surrounding
00:24:22towns and good people, and people, which is what
00:24:24needs to be done in these cases. We are trying to support the families, which is
00:24:28a complicated situation because the uncertainty is difficult to
00:24:32manage, no, not knowing, not knowing is difficult. To people who have
00:24:35no relation to the accident, take good care of yourselves, if you don't need to see any
00:24:39information, don't see it, take good care of yourselves and let each one
00:24:43decide to relate to this in the way they think is most
00:24:46appropriate. Just now we saw that there was a whole
00:24:50crowd of journalists who were following these statements
00:24:54from Alberto Núñez Feijó, he has just entered in front of the town hall, but Alena,
00:24:58let's also update the number of injured because we were
00:25:01waiting to see how the number of injured, who were mainly
00:25:04in the Toledo hospital, evolved throughout
00:25:08today. Of the 41 injured people who
00:25:11were there this morning, now it has dropped to 38,
00:25:15there have been 15 discharges in the last few hours, but
00:25:19it is true that the number of people who are currently
00:25:23in the intensive
00:25:26care unit, if at first hour of the morning there were 12, now
00:25:30there are 15, in total all the hospitals here in Castilla
00:25:33La Mancha, and there are still 50
00:25:37admitted and 60 discharges have been made in the
00:25:40last hours, so there are already fewer seriously injured people who little
00:25:44by little, this is good news, they can go back home. This is undoubtedly the
00:25:47best news, the injured who recovered.
00:25:50little by little, but undoubtedly uh, the population of Urda
00:25:54these next few days will continue to be very
00:25:56conditioned by all these tasks of Toledo of
00:26:00searching for perhaps remains of... of bodies still,
00:26:03of identification of corpses, how to face these, these
00:26:07next these next few hours,
00:26:08Urda?
00:26:11the truth is that these next few hours in Alena will be quite key,
00:26:15mainly because this death toll may still
00:26:19increase, uh,
00:26:22accident and the second most serious train
00:26:26accident after the one in Angrois in Galicia, therefore,
00:26:29these are neighbors who are... affected, um,
00:26:33what they were talking about and what the neighbors told us was this, what a pity that now the
00:26:37town is remembered for this, that it is remembered for for for this tragic accident, in
00:26:41fact, look if we can show it, uh, here in the square there are many
00:26:45people who meet, there are many people who comment on the play
00:26:48who talk among themselves, older
00:26:52ladies, it is also very important, the psychologists told us, the accompaniment, talking
00:26:56to the neighbors, getting it out of themselves, uh, from within,
00:26:59getting it out of within because we have also seen images. within its
00:27:03municipal term, very harsh and that it is good
00:27:07to comment on it, that it is good to explain it, that it is good to explain how
00:27:10each of these people, each of these neighbors feel
00:27:14to be able to little by little recover this normality that will
00:27:17never be normal and even
00:27:20more when not much more than
00:27:2324 hours and even more when the trains
00:27:26are still on the tracks very close
00:27:29to here, yes, certainly because this is a town. of about 2,000
00:27:33inhabitants approximately Urda that, uh, suddenly
00:27:36all the emergency services are coexisting, the military
00:27:39emergency unit,
00:27:42um, all the search teams as
00:27:45we were commenting, but also all the media,
00:27:49mm, undoubtedly,
00:27:52nothing else is talked about in this town that has been marked forever
00:27:56by this train accident, we were also seeing what we said before that within this
00:27:59tragedy, the most emotional and moving part
00:28:03is solidarity, people have turned out to help
00:28:06all the people who needed it, the blood donations, these
00:28:09very long queues, from here also this very important call that the
00:28:13authorities made to be able to donate blood not only yesterday but
00:28:16that, uh, blood continues to be donated in the coming days as well, right
00:28:20Edu,
00:28:22edu,
00:28:25yes, exactly, mainly for an essential reason which is that platelets
00:28:28expire, so to speak, they spoil
00:28:32in five days, therefore, if there are many reserves today,
00:28:35there will be none left for five or six days from now, and that is why it is important that
00:28:39there are already many reserves, so all those people who want to donate
00:28:42blood should do so, but they should do it tomorrow, the day after tomorrow and
00:28:46in the coming days, and
00:28:50then what you were saying, many people have gathered here, the psychologists also told us that
00:28:54now this state of shock is normal because there are many people, it is a
00:28:57town that right now is not normal, it is not the countryside that
00:29:01these neighbors usually live in, and therefore, when the media
00:29:05disappear, when the Hume withdraws, when there
00:29:08is no longer so much police, they will be left alone
00:29:12in some way or in some way with the town as it was only
00:29:1648 hours ago, so it is then surely when these psychological
00:29:20after-effects can end up appearing, it is one of the questions that
00:29:23some psychologists also told us, ah, stay with us Edu, that Roger also wanted
00:29:27to intervene in relation to everything you were commenting on, yes, I was listening
00:29:31very well and... when an incident happens,
00:29:34the mark remains forever, we have Angrois in mind, the worst high-speed
00:29:38railway tragedy with 80 deaths, Adamut are names
00:29:42that we totally ignore, I am sure that the people who are watching us did not
00:29:45know it and today we add another name to the sad railway history, which is
00:29:49Urda. What feeling, Edu, are you seeing in the town,
00:29:53uh, I understand that people are, as you said, giving all their
00:29:56solidarity, but at the same time incomprehension, incomprehension for being the
00:29:59center of attention, as Elena said, a town of... more than 2,000 inhabitants,
00:30:03whose daily life has changed forever, how do you see people
00:30:07and what feeling do you have about all
00:30:09this?
00:30:12Look, I was explaining before this connection that I met a
00:30:15girl crying, looking precisely at all the journalists who were
00:30:19here behind, uh, when Alberto Núñez Feijó arrived, she
00:30:22explained: "I don't understand it, no, I don't understand it," she couldn't understand how all
00:30:26this mass of journalists, of people who are covering
00:30:30this accident, are here. In my
00:30:33town, it's a bit what we said, how this town has suddenly
00:30:37transformed and there are really messages of much
00:30:40incomprehension about why this accident had
00:30:44to happen a few meters from this town and then it's what
00:30:48we were commenting on, how people try to get it out in some
00:30:51way, talk about it, uh, with the neighbors we can
00:30:54talk to, uh, they talk openly with their relatives, logically it's
00:30:58very difficult, in fact we haven't been able to talk.