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00:00:00very overwhelmed or not very worried because well, this can be without a
00:00:05Contreras, thanks, one of the survivors of doubt. Yes, without a doubt, here possibly
00:00:08something has happened. Look, speed it up because there are delays.
00:00:11Something, something must have happened that is atypical for this
00:00:15accident to occur. An incident, an accident, of course.
00:00:19Let's see, never a train driver, when
00:00:22the city system is not operational, can
00:00:25start his journey. He has to go at walking speed.
00:00:28Never, these are rules. So,
00:01:01on it with I was going to say with the wild
00:01:04family, but the wild family has been reduced to two
00:01:07members, well, two or three, at most four.
00:01:10Eh, Antoni Basses, eh, the Valfageme, good afternoon to both of you. Good afternoon.
00:01:14We are accompanied by Ester Pagès, good afternoon, and
00:01:17Nil Marbà, eh, that we have already
00:01:21yesterday morning depending on the introduced. I don't know what you think in the end, that everything depends on a call from a train operator
00:01:25who says well, it seems that everything is
00:01:28automated, but. but in the end these mechanisms even
00:01:32fail, a red traffic light, you say well, go
00:01:35through, and more at normal speed. Yes, from the explanations yesterday from the
00:01:39minister Puente and these audios that we have heard today, it is deduced
00:01:42that something incomprehensible happened. It is true, that is, why do they
00:01:46tell him to circulate and at normal speed, and how is it possible that with
00:01:49the available technology that we have today, that we can locate, you could now
00:01:53know where your children are from their mobile phone, and they say they
00:01:57cannot know that there is a train ahead. This is true.
00:02:00Now, ahm, I
00:02:03believe it was not very
00:02:07decent, eh, the accusation that minister Puente made
00:02:10of a person from, that is, except to say the name,
00:02:14well, he left him absolutely in the spotlight and now we hear the voice and then this
00:02:18morning they passed us the audios that normally are things that should be at judicial
00:02:22disposal or that should be part of the secrecy of the investigations,
00:02:26that is, someone, and someone in this case, it can only be the Ministry of Transport.
00:02:30The Moncloa itself wants us to know, to
00:02:33internalize that this has been a problem of one person, that this
00:02:37is a human error,
00:02:39personal. Well, listen, when you have
00:02:43an accident, you have a tragedy, but when you have
00:02:46two, you no longer have only two tragedies,
00:02:50you have a systemic error, that is,
00:02:52eh, these days or these last hours I have spoken with
00:02:56with engineers who knew a lot about this matter and they told me, look...
00:03:01it's... we are not in the society of The accident that happened in Demurt is a contractor who does not do the
00:03:03work of renovating the track well and the train passes and derails.
00:03:06He says where was the problem here, a poorly done work and a poor
00:03:10quality control of the work, very well, he says: but what happened
00:03:14there is in terms of railway safety infinitely
00:03:18more serious because for years there have been systems
00:03:21so that these things do not happen, therefore here it is not only a
00:03:25human error, that is, the human error is the last ratio,
00:03:29let's say... the last episode that already comes
00:03:32from a series of errors of the system and this will
00:03:36to cast off the responsibilities on the part of minister
00:03:39Puente, eh, for perfectly comprehensible reasons,
00:03:42personal, electoral, political, etcetera, it seems
00:03:45to me very indecent, honestly. Albert, well, I believe
00:03:49that obviously, eh, everything that Antoni was
00:03:53saying, I totally agree, what happens is that I feel a bit overwhelmed,
00:03:57that is, emotionally by the pain. Yes, but
00:04:00at the same time by all this battle that is fought within an
00:04:04electoral moment in which you have the feeling that
00:04:07constantly, no, eh, some say, others don't say, you don't know what is
00:04:12days and what we true, what is not true, what is information, what is disinformation, and in the
00:04:15middle of this, 74 people died with their families, with their contexts, with their
00:04:18environments, with very painful moments, that you look at the
00:04:22images and for a moment you try to connect with that and it's overwhelming
00:04:26and it's like the feeling of
00:04:29of a... if if it happens to you, eh, but like a great ball,
00:04:33okay, a great dark ball, what's more, this makes this
00:04:36an even more painful moment because when you're trying
00:04:40to do it, it could be done from a clean place, try to do a good investigation, but all
00:04:44this hip this hyperinformation,
00:04:48moreover in an electoral context like the one we have, I
00:04:51honestly think it
00:04:53to assume this responsibility, what is excessive, it is excessive that now it comes out, eh, now
00:04:56at this moment we have talked with experts, but sometimes you put on the... you put on the
00:05:00TV people who have no idea what they are talking
00:05:04about and they are like adding, no, some hypotheses that
00:05:07have nothing to do with reality and right now I think that socially we also
00:05:11need a bit of calm.
00:05:18we still don't know how many people have died, when there are still people who have not been able to go to pick up their dead people
00:05:22they still can't be accompanied and it's all
00:05:25together, I have the feeling of a very bad management for the moment
00:05:28because it could, that is, it couldn't have happened at a worse moment than an electoral
00:05:32moment, precisely because of this a battle is being fought to win public
00:05:35opinion, based even, you won't tell me why we are hearing these
00:05:39conversations now, well, I don't know.
00:05:42surely these conversations eh are
00:05:45working, but these people, yes, but it surprises me, even, to learn of these
00:05:49conversations, it surprises me a lot what Antoni was commenting on just now, we were commenting on it today in the
00:05:53newsroom, why haven't the voices been distorted, exposing the workers in this way,
00:05:57and even today, eh, a
00:05:59train driver from Ilio has communicated through her whatsapp status
00:06:03profile: "I'm fine, it's just that I'll be disconnected for a few days."
00:06:07Obviously, it's unusual that in cases like this we know
00:06:11the recordings at...
00:06:20that it was leaked, this is what surprised me the most. Well, this leads you to a state of
00:06:24collapse because you don't even have time to
00:06:27process anything. If you were to say, "Look, the
00:06:31railway service in Spain is excellent," no, but we already
00:06:34had a very serious accident in January, by the way, a death in Gelida,
00:06:38in Rodalies, Rodalies doesn't work because for many years they have only
00:06:41invested in high was deteriorating, that is, there were
00:06:45these days that many data are circulating, I would like to highlight
00:06:49some, ehm, since
00:06:512019 the number of passengers has doubled because there was the liberalization,
00:06:55more companies entered, this means more than 40 million passengers per
00:06:59year, that is, imagine the intensity and the wear and tear of the service,
00:07:03but also under these conditions, data from
00:07:062022 shows that Spain spent
00:07:10half as much on maintenance per kilometer as the European
00:07:13Union average, well, then, now, now, now
00:07:17tell me if all the blame is on a gentleman who was in a control center and gave
00:07:20incomprehensible orders, come on, now we just heard and commented on these
00:07:24statements from the Minister of Transport, Óscar
00:07:26Puente, and it is the control center through
00:07:30its operators that makes the decision to resume the
00:07:33march, as I say, in circumstances that from
00:07:37our point of view are inexplicable, statements
00:07:40that have angered train drivers and railway workers who have felt singled out by the
00:07:44minister, as expressed by the general secretary of
00:07:47railway workers of the UGT, State Federation of Services, Mobility and Consumption, Raquel
00:07:51González.
00:07:55Or look for the consequences, we look directly for a culprit, who
00:07:58is a person, who is a worker and that no one can go to their job
00:08:02and be singled out and even less without knowing the investigation,
00:08:05even less without knowing what has failed in the system.
00:08:09Well, the spokesman for UGT train drivers. of Renfe in
00:08:13Catalonia is Francisco Cárdenes, we also spoke with Francisco Cárdenas yesterday.
00:08:16Good afternoon, Francisco.
00:08:20Eh, how have these statements from Minister Puente
00:08:24been received, which point to the control center?
00:08:27Well, they haven't been received well at all, regardless of the control center or
00:08:31any other point. What do we mean? Well, it's very
00:08:34simple, we've been going for many years, and it's not just a few, it's
00:08:38quite a lot, too many, where there's been a lot.
00:08:42Due to age, many people at the Renfe company have retired, fewer people have entered than
00:08:46have retired, the productivity or the work
00:08:49ratio has increased, so much more has been
00:08:52demanded than there is. This, well,
00:08:56means an increase in work, directly more workload,
00:08:59and well,
00:09:01so,
00:09:04eh, the summary can be that the
00:09:08reduction of personnel has been
00:09:11prioritized. or the increase in workload depending on which people, depending on which places,
00:09:15when there are certain places that are so strategic and so important
00:09:18that this cannot be done, that is, we are very clear that there cannot be less than one
00:09:22train driver on a train, we are very clear that one inspector is the minimum there can be on
00:09:26a train, but we are not very clear how many people have to be in a management center or
00:09:29how many people have to be in a command post as in this case of circulation,
00:09:33then, well, at a time when you have a certain
00:09:37number of trains, as the other day six were left hanging when the
00:09:41system goes down, eh, which is not very high, I'm sorry, that's the
00:09:44truth, but you transfer that to commuter trains, when it happens
00:09:48here, when it happens to us in Rodalies, we find ourselves, we
00:09:51find ourselves with 20 or 30 trains at a time,
00:09:55so it changes radically, doesn't it?
00:09:58it's not with Rodalies, there can be 20 or 30 trains at the
00:10:02same time pending a control center, I don't know, what did you
00:10:06think, Mr. Cárdenas, about this leak of the
00:10:08audios, eh, that were already circulating last night.
00:10:15we could already hear exactly what happened, do you think your colleagues felt singled out in some
00:10:19way? Well, yes, but
00:10:22unfortunately we live in a country. complicated, in
00:10:26a country where if this were the first time it happened, we could say that it is something
00:10:30totally directed, direct, fabricated, however you want to call it, but I
00:10:33believe that in the last, I don't know, let's say 10 years and 25
00:10:37trials there have been in Spain of corruption, of embezzlement,
00:10:41news has been leaked, videos live of the
00:10:44declarations, that is, we are in an excessively complicated country
00:10:48where it seems that these leaks do not
00:10:51mean anything and they are very important because people... they
00:10:55can feel harassed directly
00:10:58eh by something that is in secret, by that
00:11:02investigation by a judge, whether by the police or in this
00:11:06case by the railway safety agency, but it is true that it is something
00:11:09very common, it is something very common in Spain, eh, which does
00:11:12not mean that it is correct, quite the opposite, well, here there have been
00:11:16some more leaks of some declarations,
00:11:19well, of some conversations that
00:11:22try to clarify or
00:11:26at all times what happened, but there are many more conversations, that
00:11:29is, there were six trains, eh, realize that here
00:11:33we are analyzing some details, but there are more details to analyze in the
00:11:36environment, there was a train that was going up another track, not the ones that were going down to
00:11:40Seville, the one that was going up from Seville to Madrid, which was 2
00:11:43km away, eh, imagine if something had
00:11:46happened that there had been instead of a two-way collision, a three-way collision, all this
00:11:50has to be put
00:11:53in time, eh, eh, because all the conversations are recorded to the second and
00:11:56then there is a video where you can see the movement of all the trains
00:12:00also to the second, so you have to put it all at once to see how
00:12:04they have been ordered, how things have been said, to be able to analyze
00:12:07deeply the accident, eh,
00:12:11that I suppose that when the railway safety agency together with the judge who has to
00:12:15instruct the case plus the corresponding police, well,
00:12:18they will analyze and a detail will come out, but first of all try to
00:12:22direct the focus to a specific person.
00:12:33they don't strike, I understand, eh, but they
00:12:36have logically added minutes of silence
00:12:40to the protest, eh, finally, Mr. Cárdenas,
00:12:43do you think it is a human error or a system
00:12:47error, or a sum of
00:12:48errors?
00:12:51when the investigation is over, we'll see. You just commented that we
00:12:55have joined the strike, and I'm going to
00:12:59explain it to you, if you don't mind, in a minute. We understand
00:13:02from UGT that the solution to the problem
00:13:05is not to make a strike proposal immediately,
00:13:09which coincided because it coincided with the accident,
00:13:12which was called much earlier, but it is
00:13:16true that what we had discussed among ourselves was to do something in a different
00:13:19way, that is, to call all the agents involved, that is,
00:13:23the ministry, the government, let's put it that simply, autonomous
00:13:27communities and Renfe and tell them, "Well, ladies and gentlemen,
00:13:30we had a strike call with the Antemuz accident and later Gelida in
00:13:34February, with more than important issues that have
00:13:37not advanced, that have not progressed.
00:13:40Eh, note that we negotiated specifically in Barcelona,
00:13:43commissions, the issue of weather-related actions,
00:13:46and the rains have returned and we still haven't made
00:13:50progress on the issue, not even close, we don't even have
00:13:54half of it done. Therefore, there comes a time when that slowness
00:13:58seems that instead of trying to go up stairs to improve, we have stopped,
00:14:01so we have to try to solve
00:14:04this, we have to see in some way that the tunnel has an
00:14:08exit, that we try to advance, that we try to improve, that we try to make this work
00:14:11well, now if we are seeing that the situation is paralyzed and does not improve,
00:14:15that is where we have to try and we plan to do it differently, that is, either
00:14:19we do something in a short time or at Christmas, ladies and gentlemen, I'm very sorry but we are going to go
00:14:22on strike, eh,
00:14:26eh, well, it hasn't happened this way because the union has done it on its own
00:14:29and the accident has arrived now at a very complicated
00:14:33moment, it must be said, but well, the accident happens
00:14:37when it happens, that's all, and I wish it had never happened, so, well, here we are,
00:14:40let's see what happens in the future with the decisions
00:14:44also of the rest of the union and the general committee of the Renfe company, who see that this is not
00:15:01eh? Yes. He says to attack in December, towards December, towards
00:15:04Christmas. Which is a time of many trips, of course, of much family
00:15:08reunification, let's say. Exactly, here there could be a more resounding strike
00:15:11than today's, which also logically made itself felt by
00:15:15users, but, but the users of Rodalies
00:15:18especially, also, lately those of high speed are so
00:15:21affected by the poor functioning of the service that... Yes, yes,
00:15:25but we'll see, let me now greet Miguel
00:15:29Contreras, who is one of the survivors of yesterday's
00:15:32train accident, in this case he was traveling on the Iryo, it has
00:15:36already been more than a day since the crash and we want to know how
00:15:40he is and how he has experienced
00:15:55I'm perfect, eh, I don't even know
00:15:58how I have a guardian angel protecting me because people were
00:16:01bad in the car in front, in the car behind, and the people around
00:16:05me were covered in blood, so ...
00:16:27I was there on the train, eh, since I didn't experience such a
00:16:30strong impact, I personally,
00:16:33mm, as soon as I saw that we were hitting, I didn't know what was happening, if it was
00:16:37bombs or a crash, I didn't know anything, I didn't know what was
00:16:40happening, I felt the blow, I hit my head against the seat in front but I didn't hurt
00:16:44myself and nothing, I heard some creaks, I started to hear
00:16:47clack clack clack and I said, well, we've derailed and I
00:16:51called my family and told them, hey, we've had an accident, we've
00:16:55derailed but don't worry because I'm perfectly fine,
00:16:59eh, the only thing is I'm going to be late, tell my
00:17:02workers and eh nothing, and when I
00:17:05turned around to see how people were, they were behind full of blood, the ones in front
00:17:09too, so I realized that
00:17:12well, that it was a bit stronger than I
00:17:58and was saved, let's say.
00:18:01Thank God, yes, because I called him a lot of times, being there at the station
00:18:05he didn't answer and I said, well, he must have fallen asleep, well, look.
00:18:15of yesterday's impact, you say that it wasn't that much, according to what
00:18:19you said just now. In
00:18:22the end, think that I was in car six, the big impact was
00:18:25received by car one, car two, car three, in the end, when I received the
00:18:29blow, eh, well, it no longer had so much force,
00:18:33it is true that in the end I am a young person and I was awake, so my body was tense and I
00:18:37hit my head, but I didn't hurt myself, but of course, there were older
00:18:40people, women and some who were sleeping, so with the
00:18:43blow while sleeping they split their heads, gashes all covered in blood,
00:18:46eh, and then they started asking for
00:18:50doctors, I went to car number seven to start
00:18:54asking for doctors but they were in the same state as us and then people started
00:18:58shouting, please get out, another train might come, another train might come, run,
00:19:02run, and well, we all tried to get out, we helped
00:19:05those who were bleeding, we all got out, at least those in my car
00:19:08and once I got out I realized the
00:19:11magnitude of the accident because I saw car
00:19:14one and two completely destroyed, eh, small
00:19:18children, babies bleeding, everything, well, a horror
00:19:21movie, eh, Miguel, eh,
00:19:24we now know how everything happened
00:19:28and there are like 17 minutes or a quarter of an hour from
00:19:31when it was communicated that the train was stopped, the
00:19:35Iryo, right, and then there's the impact and the... I don't know if it felt
00:19:39very long to you, but you were there stopped, I don't know if it was communicated
00:19:42to you by the train driver that there was a problem or
00:19:45something. It is an absolute disgrace,
00:19:48but we know what we have, that is, it catches us by
00:19:51surprise, even though we hear our politicians say every day
00:19:54no, we have the best trains in the world and they
00:19:58sell you the bike, in the end the people who are used to traveling by
00:20:01train, I for better or worse travel a lot by
00:20:04train, eh, delays, that it
00:20:07stops, that is, that is our daily bread, it happens every
00:20:11day, so when it stopped for me it was normal, I
00:20:15already took it for granted, well, I'll be late and that's it, no, no, I didn't worry because it has
00:20:19happened to me many times and
00:20:22the problem is that these people have such a
00:20:25thick skin or such little shame that no one is willing
00:20:30cannot be is that they are pointing fingers at each other, no, it's not whose fault it is, it's not whose fault it is, but well, meanwhile we have
00:20:3470. I don't know how many people
00:20:38injured, that killing these people is free, that is, no one assumes
00:20:42any responsibility, they go unpunished, no, I
00:20:45don't think it's fair, many families will not be able to mourn the body of their
00:20:49relatives.
00:21:04longer surprised him that the train had stopped, this happens very often, that
00:21:08it arrives late, how many people do you not know who had to go to Madrid with
00:21:11a certain regularity, who said that well, I'm going by train, because everything is faster and that
00:21:15has switched back to the plane because the train didn't give him, that is, we are talking
00:21:19about a service that is deteriorating more and more, now of course, let
00:21:22them put the magnifying glass, put the focus and
00:21:26point out this human error that is surely at the very end of the
00:21:29chain of errors, eh, it's very good, yes, but what's
00:21:33before? A deterioration of the service, eh, everyone has
00:21:37seen this, by the way, speaking of communication, now it turns out that the
00:21:40Ministry of Transport again lowers the number of victims to
00:21:4469, eh, even though it had been published in an official document from the
00:21:47Ministry of Transport, eh, early this afternoon that the
00:21:51fatal victims were 74,
00:21:54eh, therefore I don't know exactly what procedures eh they have to follow
00:21:57before validating that there are 74,
00:22:01eh, but the case is that now the latest news we have is
00:22:04that they are lowering eh the figure to 69, which is what we had
00:22:08had before and this has been happening since
00:22:11administration, which is easy, eh,
00:22:14no, but it is true that there is this discrepancy in figures that surprises you in a catastrophe of this kind,
00:22:18that there is no... a centralization of data, an
00:22:22official communication, not that everything keeps changing, I'm surprised by the
00:22:25emergency service, it's autonomous, it depends on Castilla La Mancha, but it's true that
00:22:29some injured have been transferred to Madrid and
00:22:33perhaps that already makes it so that there are several sources that can
00:22:36inform, but yes, you're right, this really should
00:22:39be well, and unfortunately, eh, it's not the
00:22:43first catastrophe we've encountered, I mean that unfortunately the country has recently had to face
00:22:47very complex situations that I think should be done all this. training on how crises are
00:22:50communicated because there are protocols because we know that disinformation, this discrepancy in
00:22:54figures, ends up having an impact, I mean, it's not innocent all this, I think
00:22:57that what the union representative said was also interesting when he said at
00:23:01one point, "It's just that, well, we are now analyzing a fragment, but all this
00:23:05is much more complex and takes time, no, so
00:23:09eh, listening also to Miguel, I think his name was,
00:23:13ehm, also a bit of an appeal to that, to
00:23:17a bit of a need for someone to say, "Okay, one... moment,
00:23:20let's stop the machines, we will give the information when it is totally verified, an
00:23:24investigation will be done, there is no need to keep constantly bringing out, because what happens?"
00:23:28we have become accustomed to the society of immediacy, has made the public also
00:23:31demand answers immediately, all this goes
00:23:34against being able to process what is happening to us, because all this is doing
00:23:38more harm than good to the victims themselves, to the immediate environment, to the political
00:23:42sphere, so we are all putting ourselves in a
00:23:45rush to want to know the information immediately, this is not new, I mean
00:23:51immediacy and we have become accustomed to devouring information, whatever
00:23:54it may be, without having the possibility of verifying it on many occasions
00:23:58100% the society of immediacy aggravated this
00:24:01immediacy by the pre-electoral circumstance and
00:24:05of course then there are many people interested in selling us a certain version,
00:24:08of course we will go into that aspect in more depth later, but
00:24:12one of the key pieces of the Toledo accident is, as we also pointed
00:24:16out when starting to talk with Jordi Murtra, is the system of...
00:24:20main priority that is used on this high-speed line from Madrid to Seville that
00:24:23failed, it is not this LZB and precisely on the
00:24:27same line tests were being carried out to change it to a more
00:24:30updated one which is ERTMS.
00:24:34The general secretary of CMAF, Diego Martín, assured that it should have
00:24:38been replaced a long time ago by the train drivers'
00:24:40union, that the old system had been failing for
00:24:44a long time.
00:24:50nominal system called LZB should have been
00:24:52replaced a long time ago, it is the one that
00:24:56failed yesterday it has failed on repeated
00:24:59occasions on other
00:25:02find the explanation is why, having
00:25:06been awarded, having been put out to tender, why this delay in
00:25:09implementing the new
00:25:11systems.
00:25:14The president of Dirio warned about it a long
00:25:16time ago in the Senate.
00:25:49equally... usable because both have the same objective, which is
00:25:53to prevent two trains from colliding, if you agree, I'll explain how
00:25:56both systems work, let's start with the LZB, which is the system
00:26:00that has been used, the one that is on... the line from Madrid to
00:26:04Seville, eh, where the accident occurred, it is a German
00:26:07system and it was implemented in Spain in 1992, therefore it is a very
00:26:11old system, the system works through
00:26:14imaginary sections, the rule is very clear, in each
00:26:18section there can only be one train, eh, how does the
00:26:22system work? Well, what it does is it detects if each
00:26:26section is occupied if a train arrives from
00:26:29behind, then eh it cannot access it because... that section is occupied,
00:26:33it's that simple, how is it
00:26:36detected? Well, it's done through wiring along
00:26:40the entire line, which communicates constantly, it
00:26:44chats constantly with the train. What does it tell it? Well, it
00:26:48tells it each section that is occupied, it also calculates how
00:26:51far the train can go and at what speed it has
00:26:55to do it. All this information is also received by the
00:26:59his screen, therefore, if... "the system
00:27:03detects that a section, that the train is arriving
00:27:06at a section occupied by another train, it warns it and tells it: hey, you have to stop
00:27:10here, if the driver doesn't do it, there is no problem, nothing will happen
00:27:14because the train stops automatically, this is the
00:27:17system that failed yesterday in Toledo,
00:27:21but there is another system eh that exists in Spain which is
00:27:24ERTMS, which is already operating on several lines
00:27:27in Spain, including, for example, our own, the one that goes from
00:27:31Figueres to Madrid, we have..." with this system and the only difference there
00:27:34is with the old system, with the previous one, with the German one, is
00:27:38that instead of communicating through wiring, it
00:27:41does it by waves, by radio frequency
00:27:44eh is this one safer than the other, than the German one, than
00:27:48the old one? Well, an expert with whom we have spoken has told us no,
00:27:52that both are equally safe. really the two
00:27:56systems,
00:28:00with cable and the RTMs with... frequency, but they have
00:28:04exactly the same security, since they position in
00:28:07a very short space where each
00:28:10train is located, so the precision of occupation and the associated security of
00:28:14preventing one train from passing and another from circulating is
00:28:17identical, the only difference is that the RTMs
00:28:20allows us to connect with European trains, with
00:28:24any train from Europe, it's like improving the
00:28:28language of the operating system of security so that any train can
00:28:32circulate. for the infrastructure,
00:28:35we would say that they are similar systems, initially, they are
00:28:38similar systems, but what we also asked this
00:28:42expert in civil engineering
00:28:44is also whether it is normal for security systems to fail
00:28:48recurrently, I mean, if these systems are very vulnerable to a
00:28:52failure, and he told us this, it's
00:28:54very complicated not only for the LZB security system to fail, but also
00:28:58for the ASFA, which is the lateral
00:29:01signaling system, not to work correctly,
00:29:05which, although it is not as precise because it works with
00:29:09different interlockings or with different beacons along the track that are more
00:29:12spaced out in time, but it is very complicated, it is
00:29:16practically a probability level of
00:29:191 * 10 to the -6 * 10 to the -7 for
00:29:22this cause to occur, it is very
00:29:25complicated. We also asked him if the fact that they were
00:29:29precisely carrying out tests on the Madrid-Seville line to replace
00:29:32the old system with the new one could have caused the
00:29:34failure? these systems do not operate during commercial
00:29:38hours, they are usually tests that are carried out when there are no trains during commercial
00:29:42hours, nor any passenger trains especially, nor well in this
00:29:45case, freight trains cannot circulate there, so it is very rare
00:29:49that this circumstance could infer, furthermore, they are two
00:29:52systems that have two different technologies and I don't think it was
00:29:56the cause. In any case,
00:29:59what he assures is that the problem does not lie in whether it is actual.
00:30:18but it is even more complicated for the ASFA to stop working or for circulation to be
00:30:20allowed on occupied signals,
00:30:24it is very complicated for this problem to occur in this circumstance,
00:30:28so it is not that it is new, that the new one fails or that the
00:30:31mechanisms
00:30:45of
00:30:49safety that logically you don't know when you buy a train ticket,
00:30:52I don't know if now
00:30:55you who travel frequently by train, right?