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00:00:00and that the problem does not lie in whether they had updated the new system or
00:00:03not, but that the plan did not work either,
00:00:07it is the whole thing, obviously, it is the whole thing because it is very rare for
00:00:11the LZB to fail,
00:00:15eh, but it is even more complicated for the
00:00:17of Spain. Asfa to stop working or for circulation to be allowed
00:00:22a this feeling of eh in occupied signals, it is very complicated for this problem
00:00:25or these circumstances to occur, so it is not new that the...
00:00:30fails or that the or that the secondary fails, it is that
00:00:33both of them have to work independently, eh,
00:00:37and if one fails it is, but it is
00:00:39simply
00:00:42impossible
00:00:45now as a result of this accident we have seen all these security mechanisms
00:00:49that logically you don't know when you buy a train ticket,
00:00:52I don't know if now
00:00:55you who often book train seats eh? we don't
00:00:59eh? no el
00:01:00that was. eh, the force of know it, well, we didn't know it and well, we trusted these
00:01:04security measures, now when you get to know them eh, and on
00:01:08one hand I think that in the end there is a concept called vicarious trauma, a little bit
00:01:11at least this feeling of vicarious
00:01:15insecurity from this accident, which of course there will be many
00:01:18people who will be in favor, I start to hear at home, for example, my son asked me
00:01:22but wasn't the train so safe, mom, I mean, now what, what can happen, right, so I
00:01:25think that we have to try in some way to do a job. each one of us socially also
00:01:30we will have to do it to eh understand what the real
00:01:33risk and the perceived risk are because right now the perceived risk we have is that
00:01:37I if I have to go home by train
00:01:41I almost prefer to go by car no but it's not a
00:01:44reality that the car is much more, it has much more risk
00:01:48so I think that all this also we will have to reposition it because
00:01:51otherwise it is true that now the feeling of insecurity
00:01:55no that when you have to take a train there are many people who are saying it, eh, so the
00:01:59train, what happens? that it fails, that two per three, eh, obviously
00:02:02there are these accidents that are a tragedy, but it is true that we will have to keep
00:02:05reminding ourselves that the feeling we have right now is different, right, that it is
00:02:10eh, we also just found out about a feeling of saying: my goodness, how will I do it now, I'm going to stop taking
00:02:13the train, surely there will be a drop for some time, especially with high speed
00:02:17eh, but really
00:02:20understand that it is a safe means, that there are these mechanisms and do a whole job
00:02:23to deactivate this fear, right,
00:02:26to try to distance itself from this feeling of more emotional risk to put reason into it, that is
00:02:29to say that this... trust is managed by putting on a scale,
00:02:32let's say this weighs more and this weighs less, I ask, eh, I would like to know what
00:02:36to do, now we are at a moment in which there is this, like a little bit
00:02:40this game of real risk, right? and the perceived risk right now, our
00:02:44perception of risk is very high, because the
00:02:46perception arises from the construction especially
00:02:49of emotions, of perceptions of experiences that we are having
00:02:52now, and of course, this constant exposure will give us the
00:02:56feeling that this balance of perceived risk of what can happen to me when I take
00:03:00a train, oh, I had never thought about having a train accident, I'm telling
00:03:04you seriously, now I see this and I say wow, watch out, so I would have to do
00:03:07a job to say, let's balance this, really see, obviously a tragedy
00:03:11can happen, obviously
00:03:13several accidents have happened that you are now commenting on, but
00:03:17the reality is that this does not happen habitually, I mean, the data tells
00:03:20us, eh, unfortunately two events have happened
00:03:24eh, in a short time, but the reality is that the train is a
00:03:27safe means of transport, I mean, this is something that we will have to keep
00:03:31repeating to ourselves and that and that the risk doesn't exist, we take it for granted
00:03:34when we leave home every morning that we will return
00:03:36to dinner and even it is more risky for me to take the car to
00:03:40go on the P7 than to take the medium distance now, especially if you go on the
00:03:44P7, yes, but surely I mean that this is
00:03:47a topic that I think and what Antoni says also
00:03:51accepting that we live in uncertainty eh is
00:03:54something that all of us have a life lesson to learn and that in the
00:03:58end these tragedies are that when you are at home you say, oh, how well you are here safe
00:04:02and it's like it connects you also the
00:04:05people from Girona that San Narcís today by the way and look we are here
00:04:08working for many years for the daffodils, you will take the train to
00:04:11return to Girona eh you will not take it for but now you who
00:04:15have worked on this safety issue I will go by car but for personal
00:04:19reasons you have interviewed all these experts on safety, you should
00:04:23is like a mini congress, that is be calm, otherwise, of course, what I was wondering and what I was going to ask
00:04:26Alba is eh should we inform ourselves more or the...
00:04:39it's just that he when I started to say it I thought
00:04:42don't say anything like a plate but we have an
00:04:46access, we have an access, yes, well, all the accesses hurt, it's true, but look now
00:04:50that you mention it, I don't mean that sometimes, for example, being informed about how these
00:04:54systems work and knowing that
00:04:57accurate. In fact, according to this same report from there are so many systems gives me security, what doesn't give me security is how it can be that
00:05:00we all failed, that is, until there is the investigation we don't know exactly what happened, but it is
00:05:03true, it is true that um this comment
00:05:07places in memory of the victims of is not in vain what you have made, that is, there are many people who have the
00:05:10feeling that it is important.
00:05:22No, I mean, the idea is it's normal and we have to normalize this fear and
00:05:25understand that we can all feel it right now because
00:05:29obviously we are confronted with a tragedy that in the end there is
00:05:34chance and of uncertainty of saying my goodness, but
00:05:37what you say is important and now eh fat maybe
00:05:41you will never call me again. I don't know, no, you know no, but I mean,
00:05:45no, no, no, no, no, but it's important to
00:05:48limit exposure to information, not to
00:05:51overinform ourselves, what do I mean by this that in the end what you say is to be
00:05:55knowledgeable about this information, know these
00:05:58means, not that of security are important because they help us to lower this
00:06:02level of feeling of risk of fear, but it is true that being
00:06:05hooked all day, this is what ends us and it happens to you, but with
00:06:09a feeling of overwhelm because we are. to digest a
00:06:13very painful collective tragedy, very painful, we must
00:06:16inform ourselves, TV yes, social networks no, what happens is that
00:06:20social networks are loaded with misinformation, here at
00:06:23least the media what you do is eh seek
00:06:27experts, people who can help us to calm this anxiety eh who help us
00:06:30a little to sort out what is the real true information from that
00:06:33information the wheat from the chaff and talk today
00:06:37today is a good day to remember that it is very important to have a healthy
00:06:41informative diet.
00:06:53minutes ago, the company or has just
00:06:56announced that it cancels all its trains tomorrow, Monday, due to this strike
00:07:00of drivers called by the SEMAF union, according to company
00:07:03data, this will affect about 20,000 travelers, in a statement they explain that
00:07:07they have made this decision unique and exclusively with the aim of avoiding further
00:07:10confusion. still at the
00:07:13stations,
00:07:15well, eh, this is
00:07:22the Toledo accident, that the Minister of Transport Óscar Puente, has asked to
00:07:26appear next Tuesday at 5 in the afternoon, we now know
00:07:30the time, the parliamentary deputation of the congress to report on the tragedy
00:07:34and he will go at his own request, but in fact, several parliamentary groups had already asked
00:07:38him to appear before Ester, yes, exactly, they had asked him in all
00:07:42possible ways. Specifically, the Republican Left group with Podemos
00:07:45Gabriel Rofián has stated in a tweet that a single person cannot be
00:07:49responsible for Santanas and says that the only names and surnames are the
00:07:52cuts of the PP and accuses the PSOE for its
00:07:56liberalization. Irena Montero of Podemica in these elections was
00:07:59grouped with the left says that it should not be days of
00:08:03lies or scavengers either to put all the
00:08:06responsibility on a worker when everyone sees that the system
00:08:09fails. And another parliamentary group that had. registered the request
00:08:13for the appearance of Minister Puente is Sumar, its candidate
00:08:16from the broad front, the former mayor of Barcelona, Ada Colau, has said in a
00:08:20tweet that the minister must appear before the deputation to give all
00:08:24the necessary explanations and assume responsibilities.
00:08:27On the other hand, Vox has filed a complaint against Minister Óscar
00:08:31Puente, whom it accuses of alleged
00:08:49we were saying this to the Minister of Transport he will appear at his own
00:08:52request, his parliamentarians had already asked him for explanations before and now
00:08:56also the Popular Party asks that Pedro
00:09:04request for appearance had already been made by the broad front this morning also by the Republican
00:09:08left and obviously I think Puente has made it very clear that
00:09:11if he does one thing..." is to give explanations, on Friday he will give
00:09:14a press conference, it will be tomorrow, we don't know yet at what time, but he will give
00:09:18another press conference next Tuesday we will be able to
00:09:21see him in the congress in the permanent deputation because remember that
00:09:25right now there is no congress as such, the courts are no longer functioning
00:09:29because there is the call for general elections and everything that
00:09:32has to be approved goes through the permanent deputation which
00:09:36to say that there are few representatives of the parliamentary groups that are
00:09:39chosen at the beginning of the legislature there. that will
00:09:43be where Óscar Puente will make this appearance
00:09:46and where he will have to give explanations, I think Sánchez will
00:09:49not do it, even if the Popular Party asks for it, eh, I think
00:09:53now he will want to let Puente give the explanations as he already did, for example,
00:09:57in Damuz, no, now
00:10:03the elections of the 29th eh have been suspended, sorry, officially these days, but the
00:10:07political readings do not stop, they do not stop because the Toledo
00:10:11train accident has fully entered. In the pre-campaign all parties have
00:10:14suspended their events except Vox and several politicians have visited the
00:10:18scene of the events. The Spanish president this morning opted for an institutional
00:10:21message.
00:10:25we belong to the state, from the smallest municipality to the government of
00:10:28Spain, we are working day and night to not
00:10:32only give an answer to the families of the victims, but of course
00:10:35also to clarify every last detail of this
00:10:39tragedy and of course to reinforce security so that this does not happen
00:10:42again. And the command center in Urda also visited
00:10:46today the leader of the PP Alberto Núñez Feijóo, who sent a message to Pedro
00:10:50Sánchez, says that political responsibilities are not
00:10:53optional.
00:11:07And on the other hand, Junts has also said that a government must assume
00:11:10responsibilities, not transfer them to third parties. Well,
00:11:14we return to Marta Monforte, I don't know if she has already
00:11:18outlined any point to go to her campaign tour, we also commented
00:11:21yesterday, because all
00:11:25love, the, this optimism that Pedro
00:11:29Sánchez conveyed in his rallies, these chances of comeback
00:11:32eh, anyway, eh, all this
00:11:36message that could be won, I don't know how this is, if it is now
00:11:39blocked, it is logically
00:11:41affected,
00:11:44yes, obviously it is affected, the Socialist Party knows that it faces a
00:11:47very tough campaign and pre-campaign that has completely changed the focus, but
00:11:51also say one thing, Xavier, just like yesterday about the love campaign. I'm
00:11:55sure that will not be the main slogan, in politics things
00:11:59happen very quickly, almost
00:12:02after tomorrow we will have the election of Trump eh, well not Trump, but the United States, the midterms
00:12:06in the United States we talk about this, I mean that information advances and I think
00:12:10that political parties also trust that obviously this must be talked about,
00:12:14respect must be shown to the relatives of the victims, among
00:12:18them former minister Fàtima Ibáñez, but obviously there will be
00:12:21other things that are talked about in the campaign because we will enter... campaign
00:12:25and in the campaign, they will hold debates and this
00:12:28will be very present, but there will be other elements present, but obviously it
00:12:32changes everything and, but on one side we have Vox that has not stopped the campaign, we also
00:12:35commented yesterday, it tries to eh, capitalize on the streets
00:12:39even though the protests it has made so far have not been at all successful,
00:12:43at least the ones it called yesterday and the Popular Party that is in another
00:12:47position that also serves, I think,
00:12:51the far right of Vox e try to make it have a more
00:12:54state vision and outside of the continuous
00:12:58clash that Vox makes, this can also improve Feijó's image after
00:13:02agreeing, for example, on the Senate that seems another
00:13:06almost two years ago, two days ago, right,
00:13:09obviously eh by the way that this does not stop, the central electoral
00:13:12board eh that receives complaints from the different parties about
00:13:16how the campaign is going eh I see now we receive the information that it has sanctioned
00:13:20eh Pedro Sánchez for this video eh in front of the
00:13:23Guernica eh where. presented no
00:13:26eh the panorama that may come depending on who wins if the
00:13:30Popular Party and Vox win and what it would mean no, the
00:13:33those plos and that defeat, well now the central electoral board
00:13:37sanctions s sanctions opens
00:13:40a sanction against Pedro Sánchez regarding this video
00:13:44of the campaign no eh I don't know in the
00:13:47end who who where do you think that if this has a benefit in the
00:13:50end we have to think that the effect can be like saving all the differences the
00:13:54one that happened when there is a three-ball like this and that a government has to manage it
00:13:58in 3/11 eh the party that aspires to
00:14:02govern benefits at that time it benefited
00:14:05Zapatero now it could benefit the Popular Party
00:14:08clearly I think it can benefit the right and the opposition because obviously
00:14:12eh it accentuates a situation of chaos people distrust
00:14:16the system and how something as basic as
00:14:20the railway service that everyone uses more or less
00:14:23habitually more people less. but that everyone has surely
00:14:27gotten on a train in the last year or two, eh obviously it
00:14:31can help the right and to speed
00:14:34up this image that the government is exhausted that things don't work even if this
00:14:38is supposedly a human error but it is true that it comes from
00:14:42a system error and this also has to be investigated why this
00:14:46happened I think it can benefit the right another thing is
00:14:49if I think the government should not only blame the operator
00:14:53of Renfe. or Adif that was there because this
00:14:57could indeed happen as it did on 3/11, but of course, at that time the
00:15:01Popular Party what it did was try to blame ETA for some
00:15:04attacks, this also shaped
00:15:07public opinion because afterwards it was shown to be false, I believe that the Sánchez government will
00:15:11not go there because apart from what has happened, adding more
00:15:14lies to a situation like this I think it will not help them, they
00:15:25Madrid, by the way, today because of the accident there have been
00:15:29minutes of silence in several
00:15:32the railway accident, the Parliament of Catalonia, for example, these are images in which
00:15:36the president has participated. Brull, members of the board and of the parliamentary groups and
00:15:40on the part of the government, the council of justice Rabona is pedaler. Also in the
00:15:44Congress of Deputies in Madrid there has been a minute of silence without the president of the
00:15:47chamber. The president, two vice-presidents, one from the PSOE and the other from the
00:15:50Popular Party.
00:15:53Eh, about, well, of course, this complicates his life a lot, the
00:15:57alternative to the PSOE, which had appropriated the
00:16:01housing issue and Mari Carmen all together, um, and now suddenly
00:16:05he has this accident.
00:16:08which by itself would already hurt but it is clear that it is added and this is a very big
00:16:12multiplying effect, the one from January they changed the fist the
00:16:15rose for the heart no love
00:16:18um and with love and the force of love they were
00:16:22saying we are the ones of love and they are the ones of hate, the ones of the
00:16:26fan machine now they cannot go
00:16:29out with certain frivolities
00:16:31eh to do an election rally no
00:16:35this well eh it will explain his life, good heavens how it has changed
00:16:39eh, well and what can change Xavier, because today is the 29th, today is the 29th
00:16:42of October, exactly one month until the elections, well in one
00:16:46month I don't need to tell you the amount of things that can happen, now that
00:16:50this complicates their life, well if it were only this, we have already had a
00:16:54couple of very serious skirmishes, incidents in the streets in Barcelona, in
00:16:58Bilbao, this weekend there may also be
00:17:01noise, eh, it's a serious
00:17:04moment eh, you said it before, it's a dark moment. Yes,
00:17:08and besides what we were saying, right, that apart from what can change in a moment, I
00:17:12think that in the end also um, you know what I regret
00:17:15that in the face of this tragedy we don't even consider that
00:17:18maybe eh, the government can do well, because we have seen that it started very
00:17:22badly eh, the minister, but there are, I mean, a tragedy of these
00:17:25characteristics, we should have the confidence that there are governments that can do well, and in
00:17:29return we already take for granted that it will be so
00:17:32dramatic, so disastrous everything that it will be, I say it in the sense that we have
00:17:36seen there are... countries that have governments that do a good job, that there is mutual
00:17:40support that provide collective calm that such, but here we are seeing that
00:17:44it is that, I mean, really the skirmish that is being experienced at
00:17:47a political level, that there is practically not even a party that is
00:17:51offering a little social calm, that pact of
00:17:54agreeing, now for some, I don't know, three, four
00:17:58days, let's try to give peace and tranquility to people,
00:18:01let's accompany them from a place, really that is the responsibility, we
00:18:05offer them peace and information. eh, we also greet our colleague Maria
00:18:09Xinxó eh, that after the commercial break she will also place us in another
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00:22:14morning of Catalunya Ràdio with Ricard Tostrell.
00:22:18This Friday from 8:30 you can come and see us at the Mercè cultural center
00:22:22in Girona.
00:25:42colleague Eduard Valles, who is at the sacerdotal house in
00:25:46Toledo, where the victims, the families of the
00:25:49victims of this accident are staying.
00:25:51Eduard,
00:25:54yes, exactly, Xavi, there are about sixty people who have been
00:25:58here for more than 24 hours,
00:26:01waiting. all with uncertainty, for some news
00:26:05about their family members, either missing or who have
00:26:08already been confirmed as fatalities, but who
00:26:12are not yet identified. Also,
00:26:14as we explained a while ago at the Institute
00:26:18of Legal and Forensic Medicine, we still don't have
00:26:21confirmation that there have been identified
00:26:25victims, although it is true that when these families
00:26:28approach this Institute of Legal Medicine,
00:26:31some... they are sent directly to the morgue,
00:26:34a sign that some of their family members
00:26:37have already been identified, but officially we still don't have this
00:26:41figure. Here the situation is often one of uncertainty.
00:26:44We see a small group of family members come out from time
00:26:48to time to walk around, to get some fresh air, because these
00:26:52are not easy hours. Inside, there are also teams of psychologists
00:26:56who help them go through a very
00:26:59painful moment, and in fact, a short while ago, King Felipe
00:27:03came out, who visited all these families,
00:27:07and then the brother of one of the
00:27:10missing people came out and told us precisely about this, this
00:27:13uncertainty of waiting here for some news about their family
00:27:17members.
00:27:20Time passes and takes its toll, obviously. Well, some people were
00:27:24strong before and now they are a little weaker, a
00:27:27hand.
00:27:34I'll finish, Xavi, with a couple of, I'll finish, Xavi, with a couple of
00:27:37political points, the Popular Party has just
00:27:41requested the appearance of Pedro Sánchez before
00:27:44the permanent deputation of the Congress, as we have also explained,
00:27:48Oscar Puente will appear by his
00:27:51own decision, at his own request, next November
00:27:553rd at 5 p.m. And also breaking news, because
00:27:58the Workers' Commissions has just requested the dismissal of the
00:28:01Minister of Transport, Oscar Puente. They demand a
00:28:05thorough investigation to
00:28:21with Germà Bel. Good afternoon Germà,
00:28:23professor of applied economics at the University of Barcelona, one of the
00:28:27people who has studied the high-speed network and the entire infrastructure
00:28:30system of the state. We will
00:28:34immediately ask you for your assessment, but first, let's explain that Spain, in
00:28:38fact, is the country in all of Europe with
00:28:42the most extensive high-speed network, more than 4,000 km of
00:28:45line. The questions we ask ourselves in view of this are, was this
00:28:49network well maintained, and how did we get here? Maria Xinxou, well,
00:28:52it seems we'll start with this last one: how did we get here? First,
00:28:56we have to go back to 1992, 34 years ago. It's worth
00:29:00recovering part of the inauguration chronicle of the AVE that the colleagues
00:29:03from TV3's news services did at that time. It was
00:29:072:04 when the AVE, the Spanish high-speed train, took off from the
00:29:10remodeled Atocha station in Madrid, which had become the
00:29:14main Spanish railway hub. It did so slowly,
00:29:18with 271 km to cover in less than
00:29:21three hours. Exceptional witnesses to this challenge, which will
00:29:24be daily from Tuesday, were the Vice President of the Government, Narcís Serra,
00:29:28and the Minister of Public Works, Josep Borrell. Serra has left
00:29:32the... The first line that was launched, as you have seen, was the Madrid-Seville line,
00:29:35where precisely the two fatal accidents of this year occurred, the one in Urda
00:29:39and the one in January in Adamuz in Cordoba. The AVE became
00:29:43the great Spanish mobility bet, a radial mobility, yes,
00:29:46with Madrid at the center, but really, when its use
00:29:50skyrockets is after the Barcelona connection. It was
00:29:53in 2008, that first year the AVE began to eat into
00:29:57the passengers of the air bridge, which fell by 25%.
00:30:00The overtake came four years later, and since then, flights between Barcelona
00:30:04and Madrid and vice versa have not stopped falling in favor of the train,
00:30:07at least until now. The accidents, delays, and accumulated problems this year
00:30:11on the AVE have caused a 22% drop in users in the
00:30:15first six months. Maria,
00:30:17let's go to the key question. Spain has the most extensive high-speed network,
00:30:21but is the maintenance adequate? We have looked for
00:30:24the data from a European Commission report from
00:30:272022 to answer this question, a report that Antoni Basas
00:30:30referred to earlier. This year, Spain allocated almost
00:30:3496 euros per kilometer of track to maintenance.
00:30:37Is this a lot or a little? Well, it's little if we look at what the
00:30:41rest of the European Union countries do. They allocate on average twice
00:30:44as much to maintenance and improvement of tracks as Spain, reaching up to
00:30:48191 euros per kilometer of track. Given
00:30:52these data, the conclusion could be: "Spain does not allocate enough money to the AVE,"
00:30:55but this information is not entirely the...