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00:00:00it seems that in times when everything is being sold, the greatest
00:00:04value is in what cannot be bought. Szymon
00:00:08Szulczyński, 7:30 PM.
00:00:11Minister of Energy Miłosz Motyka with Justyna Dobrożoracz, in the Question of the Day, that's coming up soon,
00:00:15we recommend these conversations, and Witold Stabaka has an appointment with you at 10:30 PM.
00:00:19Good
00:00:20evening.
00:00:51this is the Minister of Energy, good evening, Minister, good evening, Minister,
00:00:54what don't we know about President Nawrocki, what do you
00:00:58know, seeing?
00:01:01I see that he wants to be a leader on the right, I think, it already
00:01:04is, that's my impression, this speech, which just finished,
00:01:07I had the impression that it was already a speech for the campaign before
00:01:11the parliamentary elections in 2027,
00:01:14President Nawrocki from the beginning of his term had one task: to make
00:01:18life difficult for the government, he does it at every step, taking citizens hostage, we see that, but on the other
00:01:22hand, it is done so that these forces, which evidently are not able
00:01:25to find a leader today, whether in the person of Mateusz Morawiecki, or in the person of
00:01:29Jarosław. Today
00:02:05he said that from his perspective, he is being blocked
00:02:09by the government, and not the other way around. You are taking voters
00:02:11hostage, Poles,
00:02:14in one of the interviews
00:02:17before taking office as president, Karol Nawrocki
00:02:20said that regardless of the government, he would perfectly cope with all
00:02:24possible problems and implement what he proposed. Today
00:02:27we see that his effectiveness is nil, and he is blocking... and to put it
00:02:31bluntly, he himself is happy about it, very good
00:02:33solutions, good solutions and ones that would
00:02:37never bother him, are not ideological projects, but
00:02:40for the sake of making it
00:02:43harder for the government, and frankly, his associates often do not
00:02:46hide it, but the reduction, for example, of electricity prices by
00:02:4933%, that was such a famous, even flagship promise of President
00:02:53Nawrocki, not implemented, it was
00:02:56supposed to be done in 100 days, but now Mr. President says, well, the law has been...
00:03:04How is it with this blockade? Because I know how many times the marshal summoned the presidential palace,
00:03:08that they presented sources of financing. The law has
00:03:12one fundamental task, to put it bluntly, very simply to our citizens,
00:03:16to transfer costs from the bill to the state budget, meaning you will pay less on
00:03:19the bill, a certain percentage, because it will not be 33%, and you will pay
00:03:23more in indirect taxes, because it is simply a VAT reduction, it is of course
00:03:27a transfer of part of the fees, but what is just hot air is simply...
00:03:38Of course, in this regard, Mr. President also has a lot on his conscience, because he blocked
00:03:42a law that would guarantee a systemic solution, when it comes to lower prices. Today
00:03:46we see what lowers electricity prices: renewable sources and energy storage.
00:03:49Unfortunately, Mr. President prefers not
00:03:52to do that, he prefers, I will be honest, to
00:03:56deceive citizens by shifting costs from... their pockets
00:04:00to relieve them, but to add to another one. Today
00:04:03he also suggested a jab at you, that you
00:04:06want to cut ETS from the bill,
00:04:09so that Poles would not know how much they have to
00:04:12pay. Firstly, Mr. President is a supporter of leaving the ETS
00:04:15system, so he should, to put it very ironically, be happy
00:04:19about it. However,
00:04:23price, there is no to put it simply, this is another step in terms of the proposal to simplify electricity bills. Mr.
00:04:26President said that they are in the election campaign, right?
00:04:30So complicated that you can't understand them. We passed the law, and now we are passing
00:04:33a regulation, but apparently he does not want that. Well, he has to decide whether
00:04:37he wants the bills to be complicated, for all items to be
00:04:41stably, however, I draw your attention to listed, or whether he wants them to be simple? We want them to be simple. Everyone who
00:04:44follows energy will also be able to access
00:04:47data and know how much indirect costs, such as
00:04:51the allowances system, cost. Mr.
00:04:53Minister, the issue concerning what we are currently
00:04:57observing in energy, we will get to that in a moment. But finally,
00:05:00this strictly political aspect of this year
00:05:04of President Nawrocki's term, did
00:05:07the PSL, with a heavy heart, honestly expect
00:05:11that the President... would not be so harsh on the agrarians? I had
00:05:14no illusions from the very beginning, maybe you did, but colleagues, for
00:05:17example, three MPs de
00:05:20facto voted for Karol Nawrocki to be the president of
00:05:24the IPN, which year was that? 2020, something
00:05:27like that. It was, but it was a springboard for a further career and I know that some of them
00:05:31said that thanks to this you would be able to be
00:05:34in the presidential palace with one foot, this
00:05:37is, this is, this is a bit
00:05:40that if we had all realized that a president of
00:05:43the IPN could become president of Poland, and there were many more
00:05:47PiS candidates then, it
00:05:50would never have been Karol Nawrocki, then
00:05:53no one would have paved such a path for him.
00:05:56He also behaved completely differently then, it must be admitted, there was also
00:05:59no alternative, it was linked to
00:06:02the election of the Commissioner for Human Rights, it was a chance to
00:06:05depoliticize this institution, we remember who was proposed by PiS as Commissioner
00:06:09for Human Rights, politicians of flesh and blood like Mr. ...
00:06:20from the beginning he was very reluctant to cooperate with
00:06:22the government, I had no illusions about that, the constitutional
00:06:26duty, we are talking here about the Minister of National Defense, Władysław Kośniak
00:06:30Kamysz, but he fulfills it, it rests
00:06:33on cooperation in times,
00:06:36especially such dangerous ones, with the presidential camp, with
00:06:40the National Security Bureau, however...
00:07:12another attempt to lower prices at these stations, there is no decision,
00:07:16we are looking into this matter, decisions will probably be made next
00:07:19week, something that is extremely dynamic in terms
00:07:22of this geopolitical situation, we will see in the
00:07:25coming days, according to the declarations we hear from fuel companies,
00:07:29it will probably have a positive impact on stations, but this
00:07:33dynamic is so huge that you never know if in a few hours
00:07:37the situation will not reverse again, so
00:07:40today it would be too early to... and such a declaration
00:07:43was made by the Prime Minister and
00:07:46this is also in terms of returning from vacation for the last two
00:07:50weeks, the CPN package should return too early. Simply, such
00:07:54political pressure, Minister, is very high in this matter. The price
00:07:58of diesel is now the highest in history. You personally pressure
00:08:02the Minister of Finance to have this program CPN 2.0,
00:08:04let's call it. I have the same opinion on this matter as
00:08:08Minister Tomański. We believe that the market should
00:08:11verify this to a certain extent, of course,
00:08:15the issue. If prices, of course, are very high for Polish
00:08:19drivers, but in accordance with the state budget, if
00:08:22we implement this policy responsibly, then yes. If these
00:08:26prices skyrocket, if they fall
00:08:27and
00:08:30sentiments calm down also on global markets,
00:08:33then the justification is smaller. Next week,
00:08:37you say, this decision, regardless of the fact that the President, well, in a sense
00:08:41blocked the tax. I am in favor of us
00:08:44working on a new version of the windfall profits tax, despite
00:08:48this extremely foolish decision of Mr.
00:08:51President. I mean, he made many fatal decisions this year,
00:08:54from not appointing
00:08:57ambassadors about whom there were no doubts, to not unblocking
00:09:01the constitutional tribunal with respect to those who had no problems with
00:09:04their achievements and the procedural path
00:09:08to becoming a judge. But this is completely
00:09:11insane, like...
00:09:31when I issue an announcement then about the maximum
00:09:35chance for that,
00:09:38there is no chance for that, because then I, taking funds from the CPN package for
00:09:41a reduction in excise duty, what is this
00:09:44veto about?
00:09:47But it's not a veto, excuse me, it's actually a motion to the Constitutional
00:09:50Tribunal, but the Tribunal is blocked, so it acts
00:09:54a bit like a veto. Firstly, to
00:09:57hinder the government's work, certainly, and secondly, to blame the government,
00:10:00so that it doesn't succeed, like with the Save program, it will be
00:10:03harder, but what do you expect from
00:10:06the president now, some move? And thirdly, I think that
00:10:10some fuel concerns approached...
00:10:13a quick path to the president, do you want to say that
00:10:16it was lobbying by companies, yes, that the president
00:10:19succumbed? There are many indications of this, yes, he succumbed
00:10:22to lobbying, by disastrous
00:10:26advisors, we know that. However,
00:10:29yes, in this matter he succumbed to the lobbying of concerns, not
00:10:33necessarily Polish ones. There was also the issue that
00:10:37law does not act retroactively, and yet these companies had to pay.
00:10:39Of course, I will also address that. It is difficult
00:10:43to impose a tax on excess profits in a situation where they have not been generated. They
00:10:47are always generated at the right time, that is, up to
00:10:51a certain point, from the moment of the crisis. However, such
00:10:54a law... if it comes to the windfall
00:10:57tax, it's not just a Polish practice, it's a practice all over the world,
00:11:01it was adopted in other European countries and it was adopted
00:11:04under the governments of our predecessors too, it then concerned
00:11:08the tax on excess profits generated earlier, because only then did they
00:11:11occur, finally, from excess, i.e. from a percentage
00:11:15above 20%
00:11:18profit relative to the previous year, so
00:11:21here this cushion guaranteeing a large profit
00:11:24of 20%, that is 20% we assess
00:11:28as a natural, normal profit, not excessive, is
00:11:31large, so it also protects against eventual reductions, but did you see
00:11:34how a clip of your statement is circulating online,
00:11:38you got carried away,
00:11:40no, you said that gasoline before Trump's war cost
00:11:445.19, but that wasn't the case, meaning the average was higher. Well,
00:11:48indeed, incidentally at certain stations it was 5.19, I was referring to that,
00:11:51I was referring to those stations, to what the prime minister also...
00:11:55published. The average was 5.22,
00:11:585.24 at the end of
00:12:002025,
00:12:03if it concerned 95 octane
00:12:05gasoline, because already of course some
00:12:08related it to the price of diesel, however, I related it in a broad
00:12:12statement to what is responsible for this, because today we hear that the prime minister is responsible
00:12:16for high prices, so I related it to the fact that the prime minister is not responsible
00:12:19for the war in the Middle East, the prime minister nor the government is responsible for the smaller
00:12:23number of refineries, the prime minister... neither the government, nor I, nor minister Domański are
00:12:27responsible for blocking this tax, and finally,
00:12:30we are not responsible for how badly the market structure in
00:12:34Poland was arranged, that we have to import more diesel, less
00:12:37in the market structure, meaning today Orlen, these are all decisions
00:12:41of our predecessors, and finally, Madam
00:12:44Editor, I look at July
00:12:4728th, Daniel Obajtek, at one of the press conferences
00:12:50stated that in a few days, he
00:12:53knows, there will be no fuel at Polish stations, he repeated
00:12:57this thesis in various television stations, I want to say today that he is a brazen liar and
00:13:01I would ask citizens not to succumb to such blackmail by
00:13:04PiS political commissars, because this is precisely that rhetoric,
00:13:08lies, deceit, throwing
00:13:11slogans to sow chaos, to blacken the government,
00:13:14of course he probably already forgot about it, there is fuel at the stations, there is no
00:13:17threat to supplies, that was the government's fundamental task to
00:13:20secure it, but what they say is of course repeated.
00:13:25power plants in Kozienice and Połaniec, both of them
00:13:28reduced operations due to the low water level in the Vistula. How serious is
00:13:31the situation? The current situation, also due to the hydrological
00:13:35situation in Poland, is
00:13:37one of the most difficult in terms of functioning and
00:13:41ensuring the stability of the power system, especially in recent
00:13:45years.
00:13:47Here, great work from the operators, but I want to say
00:13:51that in Poland, with this situation, with this situation.
00:13:55Energy workers in other countries, in Serbia, as
00:13:58in Hungary, the entire economy is struggling, there are
00:14:02reductions to a minimum, but I ask you, is there really a
00:14:06systemic threat or not? There is no
00:14:10risk of a blackout today, however, this
00:14:14situation is very difficult due to, well, yes, it must
00:14:17be said directly, due to progressive climate change, low water levels,
00:14:21high, high temperatures of the water that
00:14:25would be used for cooling, hence the calls on the capacity market
00:14:29and also grid overloads
00:14:32that could appear, I just watched your conversation, I think two days
00:14:36ago on RMF, and you said that we have a surplus, that
00:14:39we are selling, yes, as it seemed to me as if
00:14:43there was no threat at all. So there is no threat to
00:14:46the functioning of enterprises, I started from that, however,
00:14:50the situation when it comes to managing the system is very difficult due
00:14:53to...
00:14:56yes, these purely environmental and
00:14:59geological factors that I mentioned, however, please do not
00:15:02worry, our system works
00:15:06the fact that these extreme
00:15:09temperatures in summer and extreme
00:15:13temperatures a few months ago in winter, it was
00:15:16the hardest winter in years, all this affects the functioning of the power
00:15:19system, I am talking about this because this
00:15:23safety buffer we must... increase, we must have even
00:15:26more newer gas units, yes, in the future, a nuclear power plant
00:15:30without any delays, even more funds spent on energy storage and
00:15:34even more funds spent on the grid, it's not like
00:15:37it's a constant state, no, we have to do more and
00:15:41more, so that this system is so safe, and the president said today
00:15:45that you don't want society to express its opinion, that
00:15:48there should be democracy, because the Senate just rejected again, by the way,
00:15:51the motion for a referendum on climate
00:15:54policy. But from the president's referendum, prices in Poland will not
00:15:57fall, meaning it's a purely political
00:16:01maneuver, by the way, uh, well, I want to leave the ETS and
00:16:04I want to see it in the bills, why? Referring
00:16:07to the earlier part of the statement, Mr. President states it directly,
00:16:11purely populistically, because he knows that the ETS system cannot be left, and if we left it, purely
00:16:15hypothetically, it would be very difficult, of course, entrepreneurs
00:16:17would have to break many agreements
00:16:20already signed, they would be subject to other taxes, a tax, it would be more
00:16:24costly than being in the system, yes, it would also affect these
00:16:28enterprises, it would be a huge hindrance for them,
00:16:31finally, this also needs to be made clear to the
00:16:33President, Madam Editor, for the power
00:16:37system, ETS also means less, ETS needs
00:16:41to be changed, not for the worse as Mateusz Morawiecki did, which
00:16:44we also hear today from the mouths of PiS politicians themselves, he was
00:16:48the face of this climate policy,
00:16:51but you cannot leave it without, frankly, leaving the European
00:16:54Union. The only fight he knows is patting, I quote,
00:16:58faces in the forest, that's what you said about the president in March, well,
00:17:02the politics of love, that's not it,
00:17:05I had no illusions from the very beginning regarding ...
00:17:11How is it that the Chief of the General Staff goes to the President,
00:17:15"a wall behind the Polish uniform, you Polish
00:17:18soldiers," he said, "you will set the direction of development for the Polish
00:17:21army." The head of the Armament Agency, General Kuptel,
00:17:25unequivocally in favor of the "Save" program, so who is
00:17:29a greater authority for him, who advised
00:17:31him not to sign this law?
00:17:35Well, Mr. Cęckiewicz announced publicly that he advises. Well, he
00:17:39is not an authority who could compete with those who
00:17:42are currently concerned with the security of the Polish state, and the PSL regrets that it accepted this
00:17:46presidential project concerning Poland, because today Karol Nawrocki also referred to this in
00:17:50his long speech, he said that you borrowed
00:17:53even with errors this project, another project, a better project,
00:17:57because that project exceeded the president's
00:18:00competences as explicitly stated in the constitution.
00:18:03And we will see how Mr. President behaves, whether he signs the law, which if
00:18:07it comes, because it seems that there is no
00:18:09willingness in the coalition to work on it. We are in favor
00:18:13of this project for several reasons, substantive
00:18:16and political. Politically, we cannot give Law and Justice a reason to say that we did not
00:18:20use some funds that President Grapiński has, but at the same time
00:18:24you say that there are some funds, we say check,
00:18:27we say check, we say check and
00:18:30it is not excluded that this action that President
00:18:34Grapiński could perform as President of the National Bank of Poland, selling
00:18:37gold, could be generated partly for defense, and partly, yes, maybe for other
00:18:41things, this is the discussion today with our coalition partners, also
00:18:45areas such as healthcare or precisely
00:18:49support for those whom President Nawrocki did not want to help,
00:18:52i.e. the border guard or uniformed services. Mateusz Morawiecki also
00:18:56throws down the gauntlet to the PSL, because he says more and more often that he wants to take over
00:19:00the voters of the Third Way. I don't have the Third Way, but
00:19:03it was together with the PSL, Poland 2050 alliance.
00:19:08Will he succeed? I remember in 2018 how
00:19:11he tried, how he fought with the PSL, how he tried to
00:19:15destroy us, then he tried to encourage us to
00:19:18a common, to a common government, a common government to
00:19:22a coalition, and now again to fight. No, he is a hypocrite, he is
00:19:25PiS, everyone knows that perfectly, there is
00:19:28no, no one should have any
00:19:31illusions, he thinks and says something
00:19:35else today just because it is politically
00:19:38convenient for him, but he is 100% responsible for everything that happened
00:19:42under the previous government, from the National
00:19:44Foundation, from TVP, from Jacek Kurski, for that hate, for that
00:19:48propaganda, for that hatred, for
00:19:52yes, also the issue
00:19:55of the right to... the destruction of the abortion compromise,
00:19:59what a lamb he is today,
00:20:01I mean, he is 100% responsible for everything that happened
00:20:05under the previous government.
00:20:07With the National Foundation, with TVP, with Jacek
00:20:11Kurski, for that hate, for that propaganda, for that
00:20:14hatred, for yes, also
00:20:17the issue of the right to...
00:20:21the destruction of the abortion compromise, what a lamb he
00:20:24is today, he talks a little differently today
00:20:28only and exclusively because it is politically convenient for him, however, he is 100%
00:20:31responsible for everything that happened
00:20:35under the previous government with the National
00:20:38Foundation, with TVP, with Jacek Kurski, for that hate, for that
00:20:41propaganda, for that hatred, for
00:20:44yes, also the question of the right to...
00:20:48the destruction of the abortion compromise, what a lamb he
00:20:52has revealed himself to be today.