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00:01:25Good evening, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to today's question. Justyna Dobroszoracz, I also invite
00:01:29Miłosz. Motyka, he is the Minister of Energy, good evening, Mr.
00:01:32Minister, good evening, Mr. Minister, what do we not know about
00:01:36President Nawrocki, what do you know, seeing
00:01:39more, I see that he wants to be a leader on the
00:01:42right, that's already the case, I have such an impression,
00:01:46the speech that just ended, I had the impression that it was already
00:01:49a campaign speech before the parliamentary elections in
00:01:522027, President Nawrocki from the beginning
00:01:56of his term had one task to make the government's life difficult and he does it at every step, taking...
00:02:00citizens hostage, we see that, but on the other hand, it is done so that
00:02:03those forces that are evidently unable to find a leader today,
00:02:08Personal finances on a whether in the person of Mateusz Morawiecki, or in the person of Jarosław Kaczyński, he stopped being that
00:02:11leader, or God forbid
00:02:14in the persons of Grzegorz Braun or the Confederation, where we have
00:02:18two leaders Krzysztof Bosak, and Sławomir Menencen, they are looking for
00:02:21such a patron in Karol Nawrocki, he wants to be one, the first step is
00:02:25of course a senatorial pact, but it is not excluded that he will also propose
00:02:29a broader agreement for the Sejm, because he sees that
00:02:32in terms of electoral arithmetic it would certainly be more profitable, and
00:02:36finally he would also end
00:02:39the long-standing leadership of Jarosław
00:02:42Kaczyński on the Polish right, but the President said today that
00:02:46from his perspective he is being blocked by the government and not
00:02:49the other way around, that you are taking voters hostage
00:02:53of Poles, in one of the interviews
00:02:56before taking office as president. Karol Nawrocki
00:03:00said that regardless of the government, he would perfectly cope with all
00:03:03possible problems and implement what he proposed, today we see that his
00:03:07effectiveness is none, and he blocks and, frankly,
00:03:11he himself is happy about it, very good solutions,
00:03:15good solutions and such that would never hinder him, are not
00:03:18ideological projects, but only so that
00:03:22the government has a harder time, and frankly, often his associates
00:03:26do not even hide it, but for example, the reduction of electricity
00:03:29prices by 3% was such a famous flagship promise
00:03:33of President Nawrocki, unrealized,
00:03:35it was supposed to be within 100 days, but now the President says: well, the law was
00:03:39blocked by Speaker Czarzasty, you certainly reviewed it,
00:03:43how is it with this blockade, because I know how many times
00:03:46the Speaker called the presidential palace, that they presented sources
00:03:50of financing, the law has one basic task, frankly, very simply to our citizens,
00:03:54to transfer costs from the bill to the state budget, i.e., you will pay less
00:03:57on the bill. part of a percentage, because it
00:04:01will not be 33%, and you will pay more in indirect taxes, because it is simply
00:04:05a VAT reduction, it is of course a transfer of part of the fees, but what is that? It's just
00:04:08from one pocket to another pocket, it will be taken from one pocket and not from
00:04:12the other, to make electricity cheaper, its price should be lowered, not only and
00:04:15exclusively indirect costs, i.e., taxes,
00:04:18of course, in this regard, the President also has a lot on his conscience, because he blocked
00:04:22a law that would guarantee a systemic solution when it comes to lower prices, today we
00:04:25see what lowers electricity prices, it's renewable sources and energy storage,
00:04:29unfortunately. The President prefers not to
00:04:32do that, he prefers,
00:04:34change, low water frankly, to trick citizens
00:04:37by shifting costs from one pocket to relieve them, but
00:04:41to add to the other, well, today he also hinted, sticking a pin in
00:04:45your side, that you want to remove
00:04:48ETS from the bill so that Poles don't
00:04:51know how much they have to pay, first of all, the
00:04:54President is a supporter of exiting the ETS system, so
00:04:57he should, ironically, be happy about it.
00:05:00However, frankly, it is another step
00:05:02price, there is towards the proposal to simplify electricity
00:05:05bills, the President said that they are in the election campaign, admittedly, so
00:05:09complicated that they cannot be understood, so we passed a law, and now... we are passing
00:05:12a regulation, but apparently he does not want it, so he has to decide whether
00:05:16he wants the bills to be complicated, so that all items are
00:05:20listed, or if he wants them to be simple? We want them to be simple, everyone who
00:05:23follows energy will also be able to access
00:05:27data and know how much indirect costs such as the emissions trading
00:05:31system cost. Mr.
00:05:33Minister, the issue concerning what we are currently
00:05:36observing in energy, we will get to that in a moment, but at the end
00:05:40there is still this strictly political thread, you will
00:06:13be able to be one foot in the presidential palace, this is, this is a bit of conjecture,
00:06:19I think that if we had all realized earlier that from
00:06:23the president of the IPN one could become the president of Poland, and there were
00:06:26many more candidates from PiS back then, it was never Karol
00:06:30Nawrocki, then no one
00:06:33would have paved the way for him,
00:06:36back then he also behaved completely differently, it must be admitted, there was also no
00:06:39alternative, it was connected with
00:06:42the election of the Human Rights Ombudsman, it was a chance to depoliticize this
00:06:46institution, we remember who was proposed by PiS for the Human Rights
00:06:49Ombudsman, politicians to the core like Mr. Wrublewski, this was managed
00:06:53to be blocked, the People's Party gave a chance to the president, this changed after
00:06:56the blocking of the Sejm,
00:06:59from the beginning he was very reluctant to cooperate with
00:07:02the government, I had no illusions about it, the constitutional
00:07:06obligation, we are talking here about the Minister of National Defense Władysław Kośniak
00:07:09Kamysz, but he fulfills it. rests
00:07:13cooperation in times
00:07:16especially so dangerous with the presidential camp, with
00:07:19the National Security Bureau, however, this pure politics from the
00:07:23presidential palace, well, it's an overstatement, well, it's simply disgusting and it's
00:07:26a lie, because the save program is not
00:07:30any, any usury, it is
00:07:32enabling rapid modernization of the armed forces, and the president simply
00:07:36changed his mind on this matter, and I invite you now to TVP Info, where I will
00:07:40ask, among other things, whether there will be... lowering prices at
00:07:43gas stations,
00:07:49so as not to be unfounded, Mr. Minister, there is a decision, there will be an attempt
00:07:52to lower prices at these stations again, there is no decision,
00:07:55we are looking into this matter, decisions will probably be made next
00:07:59week, something that is
00:08:03this geopolitical situation, we see in the coming days,
00:08:06in accordance with the declaration we hear from fuel concerns, it will probably have a positive
00:08:10impact on gas stations, but
00:08:12this dynamic is so huge that you never know if in a few hours
00:08:16the situation will not reverse again, so today
00:08:20it would be too early to make such a declaration from
00:08:23the Prime Minister and it is also
00:08:26in terms of returning from vacation for the last two
00:08:30weeks, the CPN package would return, it's too early for such
00:08:33political pressure, Mr. Minister, it is very high in this matter, the price of
00:08:37diesel is now the highest in history, do you personally
00:08:41pressure the Minister of Finance? We believe
00:08:50that the market should verify these up to
00:08:53a certain point, of course, if the prices
00:08:57are, of course, very high for Polish drivers, but
00:09:00in accordance with the state budget, if we implement this policy
00:09:04responsibly, then yes, if these prices skyrocket, if they
00:09:07fall
00:09:10and there is a calming on
00:09:14world markets as well, then the justification is smaller, next week, you say, this decision
00:09:18regardless of the fact that the president, well, in a sense, blocked
00:09:21the tax on oil, I am a supporter of us working
00:09:25on a new version of the tax on excess profits, despite
00:09:27this extremely stupid decision of the
00:09:30President, meaning he had many disastrous decisions this
00:09:33year, from not appointing
00:09:37ambassadors, about whom there were no doubts, to not unblocking
00:09:41the Constitutional Tribunal for those... who had no problems regarding
00:09:44their achievements and procedural path
00:09:47to becoming a judge, well, but this is, this is a total
00:09:51delusion, how could he stand by the corporations, when even his political
00:09:55idol Donald Trump says that corporations in such a situation should share
00:09:58the excess profits they generate, well, the President claimed
00:10:02that these companies would
00:10:05pass on the prices to citizens, that's how they would
00:10:08I ask publicly, how when I issue
00:10:11an announcement. Time for maximum no
00:10:15chance for that,
00:10:17there is no chance for that, because then, taking funds from the CPN package for
00:10:21VAT reduction excise duty, so what is the veto about?
00:10:27But it's not a veto, excuse me, but it's really a motion to the Constitutional
00:10:30Tribunal, but the Tribunal is blocked, so
00:10:33it works a bit like a veto, first of all,
00:10:37to hinder the government's work, that's for sure, secondly, to blame the government,
00:10:40so it wouldn't succeed, like with the save program, it will be
00:10:43harder, but what do you expect from
00:10:46the president now, some move, and the third thing, I think that
00:10:50some fuel concerns found a quick path to the president,
00:10:53do you want to say that it was
00:10:57corporate lobbying, yes, that the
00:11:00indicates that, yes, he succumbed to lobbying,
00:11:04he has terrible advisors, we know that,
00:11:06however, yes, in this matter he succumbed
00:11:09to the lobbying of concerns, not necessarily Polish, well, there was also
00:11:12the issue that the law does not work retroactively, and yet
00:11:16these companies had to pay, of course, I will also
00:11:19refer to that, if it comes to that, it is difficult
00:11:23to delay with a tax on excess profits. situations in which they were not generated, they
00:11:26are always generated at the right time, i.e., up to a
00:11:30certain point, from the moment of crisis, however, such
00:11:33a law, when it comes to the tax on excess profits,
00:11:37inf tax, it is not only a Polish practice, it is a practice of the whole world,
00:11:41it was adopted in other European countries and it was adopted
00:11:44by the governments of our predecessors also then it concerned
00:11:48the tax on excess profits generated earlier, because only then did they
00:11:51occur, finally, from excess, i.e., from a percentage...
00:11:55above 20%
00:11:57profit greater than in the previous year, so
00:12:01here this cushion guaranteeing a large profit,
00:12:04this 20%, it is yes, 20% we consider
00:12:08as natural, normal profit, not excess, is
00:12:10large, so this also protects against eventual reductions,
00:12:14but you saw how a fragment of your statement
00:12:17is circulating online, you got carried away,
00:12:20no, you said that gasoline cost
00:12:245.19 before Trump's war. there was such a moment, but it wasn't like that, meaning the average was higher,
00:12:27indeed, incidentally at certain stations it was 519, I referred to that,
00:12:31I referred to those stations, to what the Prime Minister also
00:12:34published, the average was 522,
00:12:37524 at the end of 20
00:12:4125 year, when it comes to
00:12:4495 octane gasoline, because of course some referred to
00:12:48the price of diesel, however, I referred to it in a broad
00:12:51statement to what is responsible for it, because today we hear that the Prime Minister... is responsible
00:12:55for high prices, so I referred to the fact that the Prime Minister is not responsible
00:12:59for the war in the Middle East, the Prime Minister nor the government is not responsible for the smaller
00:13:03number of refineries, the Prime Minister, nor the government, nor I, nor Minister Domański are
00:13:06responsible for blocking this tax, and finally
00:13:10we are not responsible for how disastrously the market structure was laid out in
00:13:14Poland, that we have to import more diesel and less
00:13:17in the market structure, meaning today Orlen, these are all decisions of
00:13:21our predecessors, and finally, madam
00:13:23editor, I'm looking at the clock on July
00:13:2628, Daniel Obajtek stated at one of the press conferences
00:13:30that in a few days he knows, there will be no fuel
00:13:33at Polish gas stations, he repeated this thesis in various
00:13:36television stations, I want to say today that he is a shameless liar and I would ask citizens not to
00:13:40succumb to such blackmail
00:13:43by PiS political officers, because this is precisely this rhetoric,
00:13:46lies, deceit, throwing slogans
00:13:50to stir up chaos, to denigrate the government, of course. He has probably
00:13:53forgotten about it, fuel is at gas stations, there is no threat to supplies, this
00:13:57was the government's fundamental task to ensure that, but what they
00:14:00say is, of course, repeated,
00:14:03the power plants in Kozienice and Połaniec, both of them
00:14:06reduced operations due to the low water level in the Vistula, how serious is
00:14:09the situation, the current situation due to the
00:14:13hydrological situation in Poland is, is
00:14:15one of the most difficult when it comes to the functioning and
00:14:19ensuring the stability of the power system, especially in recent
00:14:22years.
00:14:25There is a lot of
00:14:27work from the operators, but I want to say that in Poland, the energy sector is fighting
00:14:31this situation, with this situation
00:14:34in other countries, in Serbia, like in
00:14:37Hungary, the whole economy is fighting, there
00:14:40are reduced to a minimum, but I ask you if
00:14:44the system is really a systemic threat or not,
00:14:47there is no risk of a
00:14:50blackout today, however, this situation is very
00:14:53difficult due to, well, we have to say it directly, due to progressive climate
00:14:59levels, and high water
00:15:02temperatures that would be used for
00:15:05cooling, hence the calls on the power market and
00:15:08also grid overloads
00:15:12that could occur, I just watched your conversation, I think two days
00:15:16ago on RMF and you said that we have a surplus, that we
00:15:19sell, as if I thought there was
00:15:22no threat at all...
00:15:33Due to these
00:15:36factors. purely environmental and geological ones I mentioned,
00:15:40however, please do not worry, our system operates
00:15:46the fact that these extreme
00:15:49temperatures in summer and extreme
00:15:52temperatures a few months ago in winter, it was the hardest
00:15:56winter in years, all this affects the functioning of the power
00:15:59system, I am saying this because we must
00:16:03increase this safety buffer, we must have even
00:16:06more newer gas-fired power plants, in the future a nuclear power plant
00:16:10without any delays, even more funds to spend on energy storage and
00:16:14even more funds to spend on the grid, it's not like
00:16:17it's some constant, no, we have to do more and
00:16:21more for this system to be so safe, and the president said
00:16:24today that you don't want the society to express itself, for there to be
00:16:28democracy, because the Senate just rejected again, by the way,
00:16:31the motion for a referendum on climate
00:16:34policy, but the president's referendum will not fall in Poland?
00:16:39I mean, it's a purely political move,
00:16:41anyway, I want to get out - and I want to see him
00:16:44in the bills, why? Referring
00:16:47to the earlier part of the statement, the president says it directly,
00:16:51purely populistically, because he knows that the ETS system cannot be exited, and if we hypothetically
00:16:54exited, it would be very difficult, of course entrepreneurs
00:16:57would have to break a number of agreements already signed,
00:17:00they would be subject to other taxes, a border tax, it would be more
00:17:04costly than being in the system, yes, yes, and it would have an impact.
00:17:16to make you aware, for the power system, ETS also means less, ETS
00:17:20needs to be changed, not
00:17:22for the worse like Mateusz Morawiecki did, which we also know today from the
00:17:26mouths of PiS politicians themselves, he was the
00:17:29face of this climate policy, but you can't exit it
00:17:33without, frankly, exiting the European Union. The only fight he
00:17:36knows is. I quote: "after the murders in the forest," that's what you said about
00:17:40the president in March, well, politics of love it is
00:17:43not, I had no illusions from the very beginning regarding
00:17:47the president's intentions, and I said that, it was within the scope of the save program,
00:17:50yes, I remember, how is it that the Chief of General Staff goes to the
00:17:54president, "a wall for the Polish uniform, you Polish
00:17:58soldiers will," he said, "set the directions for the development of the Polish army,"
00:18:01the head of the Armaments Agency,
00:18:05General Kuptel, goes to him, much more for the save
00:18:08program, so who is a greater authority for
00:18:11him, who advised him not to sign
00:18:15this law? Well, Mr. Cieszkiewicz came forward
00:18:17publicly, saying he advised, well, he is not an authority who could
00:18:21compete with those who deal with the security of the Polish
00:18:24state today, and the PSL regrets that it accepted this presidential project about Polish, because today
00:18:27Karol Nawrocki also referred to this in his long speech,
00:18:31he said that you borrowed this project, even with errors, a different, better
00:18:35project. A project,
00:18:38because that project exceeded the president's
00:18:42competencies explicitly written in the constitution,
00:18:45and we will see how the president behaves, whether he signs the law, which
00:18:48if it comes, because it seems there is no desire in the coalition
00:18:52to work on it? We are supporters of this project
00:18:55for several reasons, substantive and political, politically we
00:18:59cannot give Law and Justice a reason to say that we did not use any funds
00:19:03that President Grapiński has, but at the same time you say there are some
00:19:06funds? We say check, we say check, we say
00:19:09check, and it is not excluded that this action that President Grapiński
00:19:13could take as the president of the National Bank of Poland, the sale of gold,
00:19:17could be generated partly for defense, and partly yes, maybe for
00:19:21other things, that's what we're discussing today with our coalition partners,
00:19:24also areas like healthcare,
00:19:26or precisely support for those whom President
00:19:30Nawrocki did not want to help, i.e., the Border Guard or uniformed
00:19:33services, Mateusz Morawiecki also attacks the PSL?
00:19:52year when he tried, when he fought with the PSL, when he tried to destroy us, later he tried
00:19:56to encourage us to form a joint
00:20:00government, a joint government, a coalition, and now again
00:20:03to fight, no, he is a hypocrite, he is PiS, everyone knows
00:20:06that perfectly well. There are no, no one should
00:20:09have any illusions, he thinks
00:20:13and says something different today, but for years he did the same
00:20:16thing as Jarosław Kaczyński, as
00:20:19Matecki, as Mejza, these are the faces that
00:20:23stood behind Mateusz Morawiecki and today
00:20:25he is unable to cleanse himself of this, and do you imagine any alliance
00:20:29with Mateusz Morawiecki, never on the corpse, no, I don't
00:20:33imagine Mateusz Morawiecki as
00:20:37Prime Minister. he was responsible for, although
00:20:40now he says he wasn't responsible, maybe that's why
00:20:47all the scandals
00:20:50of the previous government, he did not explain them,
00:20:53I did not hear any criticism
00:20:56regarding these brazen
00:20:59statements of PiS politicians
00:21:02already after the coalition of October 15
00:21:05took power regarding other politicians, so he thinks
00:21:09and speaks a little differently today only and exclusively because it is politically
00:21:13convenient for him, but he is 100% responsible for
00:21:16everything that happened under the previous government with the national foundation. With
00:21:20TVP, with Jacek Kurski, for this hate, for this propaganda, for
00:21:23this hatred, for yes, also
00:21:26the issue of the right to
00:21:30destroy the abortion compromise, what a lamb he has appeared
00:21:33today, he is actually a wolf in sheep's clothing. The Senate rejected the candidacy of
00:21:37Mateusz Szpytma for the president
00:21:40of the IPN, well, you supported him in the Sejm, and now
00:21:44what, now there will be a new
00:21:46candidate, certainly worse, but you regret it, so I understand.
00:21:50I think he was the best possible candidate, who cooperated with
00:21:53various presidents of the Institute of National Remembrance, also with Karol Dawroski, but also with Leon
00:21:57Kieres, well yes, but some say that you cannot trust Mr.
00:22:01Szpytma, I believe that worse ones
00:22:04will come, and unfortunately, why can't we find
00:22:07a better candidate, why should worse ones come immediately,
00:22:11the IPN College indicates these
00:22:13candidates, nothing indicates that a better one
00:22:16should appear, Mr. Poleowski. is such
00:22:20a Karol Nawrocki 2.0 in the institute, but I understand that
00:22:23you won't be tearing your hair out about it in the coalition, no, absolutely not, we
00:22:27also presented our position, also the scientific
00:22:30work of President Szpytma, which we highly rate, in terms
00:22:34of how he cared for the peasant movement, for the heritage
00:22:37of the peasant movement, how much was achieved in the program
00:22:40basis, but also in the activities of the Institute of National Remembrance
00:22:44from this area, is also close to us, because it is in our
00:22:47program basis as a political party. So it would be difficult for us not to
00:22:51appreciate it, hence our support was unambiguous. Thank you very much for this
00:22:55conversation, I also thank you all, see you again.
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