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00:05:48Acts of vigilantism are still frequent in various regions in Indonesia.
00:06:14Not long ago, an alleged chicken theft in Tabanan, Bali
00:06:18ended tragically. A man died
00:06:21after allegedly becoming a victim of mob violence by a group
00:06:24of residents. This incident once again drew public
00:06:28attention and served as a reminder that amidst the outpouring
00:06:31of emotions, the line between upholding justice and breaking
00:06:34the law can be very thin. Behind
00:06:38these actions, there are various underlying factors.
00:07:42not continue to repeat, then, why do acts of vigilantism
00:07:46still often occur? What triggers
00:07:49people to choose to judge rather than pursue
00:07:52legal channels, and how to build public trust so
00:07:56that law enforcement remains the only way to seek
00:07:59justice? We will discuss it with competent
00:08:02speakers in their fields tonight on
00:08:05the Indonesia bicara dialogue, vigilantism when emotion overcomes
00:08:09law.
00:08:14Good evening, viewers, you are watching Indonesia bicara tonight with
00:08:17me, Happy Kuritman. Indonesia is a country based on law, but
00:08:21lately, viewers, it seems the law is being bypassed
00:08:25when a group of people feel entitled to punish
00:08:28others without official legal procedures. This is what will be discussed on Indonesia
00:08:32bicara tonight to discuss why this phenomenon
00:08:36occurs repeatedly and how to prevent
00:08:39vigilantism or taking the law into one's
00:08:42own hands from being normalized in society, of course,
00:08:46with the speakers who have joined us online. I will greet
00:08:49Mr. Kurnia Ramadana, Deputy 3 of the Government Communication
00:08:53Agency of the Republic of Indonesia. Good evening, Mr.
00:08:57Kurnia. Good evening, Ms. Happy.
00:08:59Assalamualaikum. Waalaikumussalam warahmatullahi wabarakatuh. Thank
00:09:03you, Mr. Kurnia, for joining us. Then there is the daily chairman
00:09:07of Kompolnas, Republic of Indonesia, retired Police Brigadier General Arif
00:09:10Wicaksono Sudiutomo. Good evening, Mr. Arif.
00:09:13Good evening, Ms. Happy, Mr. Kurnia, and Ms. Hasna.
00:09:16Assalamualaikum.
00:09:19Warahmatullahi wabarakatuh. Thank you, Mr. Arif, for joining us.
00:09:23Then there is criminologist Ms. Hanifah Hasna. Good evening, Ms.
00:09:25Hanifah. Good evening, Ms. Happy. Good evening, Mr.
00:09:29Arif, and Mr. Kurnia. Thank you. Okay, thank you, Ms. Hanifah,
00:09:33for joining Indonesia bicara. I want to go directly to Ms. Hanifah first
00:09:37to see about the phenomenon of vigilantism in society.
00:09:41Why is it, Ms. Hanifah, in your opinion,
00:09:44that this phenomenon of vigilantism continues
00:09:48to repeat in Indonesia, even seemingly
00:09:51normalized by society, as if society
00:09:54has the right to immediately arrest and judge
00:09:58perpetrators of criminal acts they catch?
00:10:02Okay, well, Ms. Happy,
00:10:04first of all, I feel that these are very, very
00:10:08eh disturbing conditions, right? Because until now, it turns out
00:10:12that many incidents like this have
00:10:15not been resolved. But if we look,
00:10:18vigilantism is not carried out by society
00:10:22against all groups, there is selective
00:10:25outrage. It turns out that
00:10:29when the perpetrators are people in higher
00:10:32circles, for example, corruptors with losses of billions
00:10:35of rupiah, they don't do this, right?
00:10:39This means they only do it to people of
00:10:42lower status. So, if I conclude,
00:10:46chicken thieves, muggers, pickpockets are
00:10:49lynched by the mob, but if it's a higher crime, a heavier
00:10:53crime and it harms many people,
00:10:57"they are judged by public opinion. This
00:11:00means there is a difference in how our society treats
00:11:04people, right? Both for those at a high
00:11:07level and at a low level. So, in this kind of situation,
00:11:11it means they are not only punishing the thief,
00:11:14but they are also punishing the level of society
00:11:18itself. Now, this is what we need to re-examine,
00:11:22why? Is it because they really don't trust the
00:11:25legal system..." in Indonesia, or is
00:11:28it that our society still can't regulate emotions
00:11:32well, or is the pressure of life so high that
00:11:35they commit crimes like this?
00:11:39But what is certain is that our society, in
00:11:42this case, in this case, they prefer
00:11:45to punish people who commit crimes against people
00:11:49closest to them, namely people around
00:11:52them. Because when they face corruptors, they feel
00:11:56that the loss is a state loss, not a loss
00:11:59that involves their emotions in their environment,
00:12:02Ms. Happy. This means that blue-collar
00:12:06crimes are more likely to trigger mob violence, which then results
00:12:10in brutality, compared to other crimes with a greater impact, such as corruption
00:12:14or white-collar crime, as mentioned by Ms. Hanifa earlier. Ms. Hanifa,
00:12:17but the question is, what is
00:12:20the cause that triggers
00:12:24society to suddenly become very
00:12:26aggressive when they find
00:12:30or catch a perpetrator of a crime? If from the research
00:12:33that exists now, where does this lean
00:12:37more, Ms. Is it truly
00:12:40a distrust of law enforcement
00:12:43agencies like the police,
00:12:46or is there an economic condition
00:12:49that causes unstable emotional conditions in society,
00:12:52or what? Yes, crime occurs
00:12:56when there is very high life pressure,
00:12:59there is helplessness, or life controls,
00:13:03control over the problem is lacking, and there is no social
00:13:06control or community control or absence of
00:13:10capable guardian. These three things make a person
00:13:14commit a crime. But if we look, this is a crime committed
00:13:18together, meaning there are several
00:13:21people, even many people, who are part of a community
00:13:25or crowd where when they are in
00:13:28a crowd, the identity of each
00:13:31individual becomes blurred. Now, when
00:13:34they are in a crowd, they feel that
00:13:38what they are doing is also being done
00:13:41by others. This causes moral disengagement
00:13:44which makes them feel that it's okay for them
00:13:48to do this because everyone else is doing it, and maybe
00:13:52because they lack legal literacy, they feel
00:13:56that it's a group doing it, not individuals. However,
00:13:59legal responsibility must be borne by
00:14:02each individual. This means our society still lacks
00:14:05legal literacy, that's the first thing. The second
00:14:08thing, and this is the most
00:14:12in the law. Perhaps what society feels
00:14:15is that law enforcement is not moving quickly,
00:14:19not moving transparently, and not acting
00:14:22fairly. These conditions hurt the community,
00:14:25so they can commit vigilantism against those
00:14:29who commit crimes that are very close to them,
00:14:32right? The root of the problem is how our society
00:14:36has emotional literacy all this time. Because
00:14:40no matter what, a person will not commit a crime
00:14:44if their emotions can be regulated well. And the most
00:14:47worrying thing is that many good people
00:14:50actually do nothing. So the difference between
00:14:54the past and the present is that in the past,
00:14:57when there was a crime in a crowd, they would catch
00:15:01the person, tie them up, and report them to the police.
00:15:04But nowadays, when they find a crime,
00:15:08they catch the person, tie them up, and kill them en masse
00:15:11or torture them en masse. And others become bystanders,
00:15:14they prefer to remain silent or record it, make it go viral.
00:15:19of the anger expressed
00:15:23symbols of community anger
00:15:25directed at other members of society. They show, "Look,
00:15:28we can administer justice." In fact, when they can
00:15:32administer justice themselves, it means they have shifted
00:15:35the function of the court from the government that
00:15:39has been provided by the government. Okay, thank you, Ms. Hanifah. I turn to Mr. Arif. Mr. Arif, many perpetrators
00:15:43of vigilantism or "eigenrichting" claim
00:15:46that they don't trust the legal process to
00:15:50be fast and fair. From Kompolnas' perspective, if
00:15:54there's a trust issue and also a problem
00:15:57with legal literacy, how does Kompolnas
00:16:00view these public trust issues towards the police
00:16:03institution at this time? Yes, thank you,
00:16:08ma'am. What Ms. Hasna said
00:16:11is indeed true, right?
00:16:14Well, we from the police,
00:16:17I used to be assigned
00:16:20to an area to secure similar incidents,
00:16:24now I'm a functional
00:16:26police supervisor.
00:16:29We are indeed concerned about this incident of vigilantism,
00:16:32right? We are concerned,
00:16:35but this is all
00:16:37due to a lack of
00:16:41or insufficient trust from the public
00:16:45in the quick response of law enforcement officials
00:16:48and other officials, because
00:16:51actually, if they were quick to
00:16:54handle this, it could have prevented
00:16:58such incidents. As an example,
00:17:01when I was the deputy police chief of
00:17:05East Jakarta, during my time, there was a report
00:17:09at the Kramat Jati police station about
00:17:12a Gojek motorcyclist thief who was
00:17:16caught at the Kramat Jati police station.
00:17:19The crowd surrounded him. When we were
00:17:22informed, we quickly arrived with backup
00:17:25forces and saved the
00:17:29perpetrator of the theft, taking
00:17:32him to the Metro Police Headquarters so
00:17:36he could be safer there through legal process.
00:17:39A few days before, a similar incident
00:17:42occurred in Cakung, where a motorcycle
00:17:45theft perpetrator was seized by the mob, then
00:17:49beaten and, even more horrifying, doused with
00:17:53gasoline and burned alive. This is extraordinary.
00:17:56So, what we need to convey here is
00:18:00the quick response of the authorities themselves.
00:18:04The authorities already have patrols at the district
00:18:07and sub-district levels, and they also have
00:18:11community police officers. The local government also
00:18:14has RT/RW and village officials. If
00:18:18they cooperate quickly, it can be prevented.
00:18:21The main factor is that people are already
00:18:25struggling in life. They survive
00:18:28to earn a living. And when their
00:18:32means of livelihood are stolen by others, those
00:18:35perpetrators are also not free
00:18:38from these problems. So when an incident
00:18:42occurs in society, if only one or two people
00:18:45know about it, there might not be a problem. But if a crowd forms,
00:18:49especially a group, a social
00:18:52psychology takes over, so rational thoughts
00:18:55will shift to irrational ones.
00:18:59They will collectively engage in vigilantism.
00:19:02That's our view, Ms. Happy.
00:19:05Okay, Mr. Arif, but in many cases, the police arrive after the mob action has already occurred.
00:19:09Now, how does Kompolnas evaluate
00:19:13the speed of the authorities' response in anticipating
00:19:16potential mob
00:19:19violence?
00:19:21Well, as we mentioned earlier, the police
00:19:25from the level of the police posts, which are now called
00:19:29sub-sectors, then the police stations, and especially the regional
00:19:33police, have patrol units: foot patrols,
00:19:36bicycle patrols, motorcycle patrols,
00:19:40and vehicle patrols. They also have frontliners,
00:19:44which are community police officers who always
00:19:47communicate with RTs, RWs, and villages.
00:19:51Ideally, if an incident occurs in the community,
00:19:55this reporting system can be quick, so they can arrive immediately
00:19:59and vigilantism can be avoided. Then,
00:20:02in this modern era, in this modern
00:20:08the police stations and regional police, there
00:20:11are reporting channels through
00:20:13110. You can call them, and backup
00:20:17will arrive in a short time. This means
00:20:21if this is implemented, as we mentioned, the apparatus,
00:20:24both the police and the apparatus from
00:20:28the RT/RW and the village heads, including
00:20:31the babinsa, vigilantism can be anticipated
00:20:34and avoided, Ms. Happy.
00:20:38How does the government view the root of the problem
00:20:42that then encourages people to take the law into their
00:20:46own hands, or "eigenrichting", instead of handing it over to law enforcement?
00:20:50Yes, the first thing,
00:20:51pertama,
00:20:56please, Mr. Kurnia.
00:20:59Yes, first, if we
00:21:02reflect on the current incident
00:21:05that occurred in Bali, the government expresses
00:21:09its condolences for the death of
00:21:12Mr. KD due to
00:21:15such an extraordinary mob violence. We pray
00:21:18that his wife and children will be given
00:21:21patience and fortitude. That's the first thing.
00:21:25Second point, as was
00:21:28previously mentioned, the mandate
00:21:30of our constitution, Article 1 paragraph 3,
00:21:34asserts that the State of Indonesia
00:21:37is a rule of law state,
00:21:40so all aspects of the laws
00:21:43and regulations that exist, starting from
00:21:47the constitution, laws, and so on,
00:21:50must be obeyed by all Indonesian
00:21:53citizens. In the constitution, there is a guarantee
00:21:56of life, and that has
00:21:59been violated by a group
00:22:03of people in the Bali area,
00:22:06resulting in casualties.
00:22:09It should be that if
00:22:13there is an alleged criminal act,
00:22:16then what the public should do is report it to
00:22:20law enforcement officials. Even if there is a perpetrator
00:22:23right in front of them, what should the public
00:22:27do? Catch the perpetrator and bring them to law
00:22:31enforcement officials, not judge them,
00:22:35mob them like that,
00:22:38especially until the victim's life
00:22:41is taken just like that. And what
00:22:45has been done by the government regarding
00:22:48that incident, of course, there is an evaluation
00:22:52of the law enforcement aspect there. Of course,
00:22:55we will see how far the distance
00:22:58is from the location of the mobbing
00:23:02to the local police station. If
00:23:06the distance is close, of course, more questions
00:23:09will be asked. How long did it take law enforcement
00:23:12or the police to arrive at the crime
00:23:16scene? That's the first thing. Then the second
00:23:19thing is about the current situation. Of course,
00:23:22there is a victim there and also the victim's
00:23:26family. Regarding the victim,
00:23:29the crime of mobbing,
00:23:31the local police have already escalated
00:23:35the legal process from investigation to inquiry.
00:23:39They have designated a number of people
00:23:42as suspects and have taken coercive measures in the form of
00:23:46detention there. Of course, we will
00:23:49oversee this legal process until
00:23:53the legal process can truly meet
00:23:56the sense of justice. That's the first thing.
00:23:59Then the second thing is related to
00:24:02the victim's family. The Ministry of Social
00:24:05Affairs, the Ministry of Human Rights, the Coordinating
00:24:08Ministry for Political, Legal, and Security Affairs
00:24:11have condemned that incident. Not only
00:24:14in oral form, but the Ministry of Social
00:24:18Affairs team has already gone there.
00:24:21They have conducted an assessment of the victim's family and, most
00:24:25importantly, provided psychological
00:24:29assistance to the victim's child. According
00:24:32to the victim's family, the child
00:24:36experienced trauma. I think this
00:24:39is the effect of vigilantism. The head
00:24:43of the family died, and the victim's family
00:24:46has to bear a psychological burden that I believe
00:24:50will be prolonged. Therefore, the Ministry of Social
00:24:53Affairs provides psychological assistance. Besides that,
00:24:57the Ministry of Social Affairs
00:25:00also offers the victim's children
00:25:04to enter a public school so that
00:25:07their education is guaranteed.
00:25:11The economic burden on the victim's family is also
00:25:14reduced because accommodation, food,
00:25:18and so on are provided at the public
00:25:21school. So, that's what we can
00:25:24convey. Of course, condolences and concrete
00:25:28actions by the government to mitigate so that
00:25:32this does not happen again, of course, by
00:25:35increasing legal literacy, this is important,
00:25:38because every regulation that has been enacted,
00:25:42then all Indonesian people are considered
00:25:44to know the law. Therefore, this act of mobbing,
00:25:47of course, the government's hope
00:25:51is that it will be the last act or
00:25:54the last incident. Let this not happen
00:25:58again. Trust this to the legal process.
00:26:01There is homework internally
00:26:03for law enforcement that perhaps
00:26:07needs to be evaluated by the government.
00:26:10Yes, the government is open to that, but
00:26:14not by using that reason
00:26:17to take the law into their own hands, because
00:26:20the effects of that act are
00:26:23many and, of course, they harm
00:26:26society itself. I think that's it,
00:26:30Mr. Kurnia. Then the question will arise:
00:26:32can aggressive behavior or vigilantism be prevented?
00:26:36We will discuss this after the break, viewers, don't go
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00:30:03You are still on Indonesia bicara discussing vigilantism
00:30:07when emotion overrides the law. I want to go directly
00:30:10to criminologist Ms. Hanifah Hasna. Ms. Hanifah, if we
00:30:14talk about, earlier, Ms. Hanifah has explained why
00:30:17vigilantism often occurs. So, does this
00:30:21aggressive behavior or vigilantism can actually
00:30:24be prevented, and how?
00:30:27Okay, well, everything can
00:30:30certainly be done, but it will definitely
00:30:34require a very hard struggle, right? So,
00:30:38vigilantism is not forbidden, but what we need
00:30:41to understand is that vigilantism cannot be prevented
00:30:44by asking the public not to take the law into their own hands,
00:30:48because that will definitely not work,
00:30:51because social behavior cannot be changed
00:30:55by appeals for change, right? But this
00:30:58change usually happens