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00:00:00crisis, let's say at the beginning with
00:00:03the pandemic, people in Romania and not only in Romania, but also in the rest of Europe
00:00:06and the rest of the world had to face situations
00:00:10they had never encountered before, and
00:00:12then the depreciation,
00:00:15for example, of money, inflation,
00:00:18the rising cost of living, all these were felt, and
00:00:22the uncertainty about what will follow,
00:00:26plus a political class that was very
00:00:29dis... disappointing, let's say for many, because
00:00:33that's it, that's what we discovered and why
00:00:36they captured him, they discovered him on TikTok, Georgescu, who spoke in some way,
00:00:40that he spoke about God, that I don't know what. Simion has a different
00:00:44type of discourse than Georgescu and he succeeded, behold,
00:00:48more than Georgescu, I would give too much credit or
00:00:51too much importance to Georgescu's profile.
00:00:54The idea is that
00:00:56the budget deficit to people, without being fiercely, without...
00:01:00perhaps believing all the nonsense, to express myself
00:01:03less elegantly, said by a
00:01:06politician at some point, they actually wanted to slap some
00:01:10people, the politicians from the Romanian
00:01:13political mainstream, whom they consider guilty of the bad situation they are in.
00:01:17They did that, but that brought for
00:01:21another part, for another component of Romanian society, it
00:01:24brought what you call the fear of Călin Georgescu and
00:01:28you talk about a deep fear,
00:01:32suddenly appeared and you say something fascinating, you say
00:01:36at some point. Many of, in quotes,
00:01:39his thoughts initially amused the public.
00:01:42Those who saw Georgescu's eventual election as a
00:01:46danger, adapted to the stressful situation created
00:01:49by the sovereignist shock, making
00:01:52fun of their misfortune, an adaptation mechanism, probably typically
00:01:56Romanian. Well,
00:01:59probably. And others, because here we would discuss a lot if we
00:02:02discussed a lot whether we put it or not
00:02:05typically, exactly, it was a concession I made to my
00:02:09colleagues,
00:02:11yes, but I think it was a coping mechanism through which many
00:02:15managed to cope with a very great stress, and then from the discussions
00:02:19with those I interviewed already in February, I started
00:02:22interviews with the middle class, I discovered
00:02:26what they feared, and most of them feared that we were turning towards
00:02:30an authoritarian regime, that we were losing democracy, that we were losing
00:02:33security, that the rapprochement with Russia, which
00:02:37he denied, at least, he denied it and even
00:02:40he, he let it be suggested that it would be something
00:02:44serious, it would bring to our security as
00:02:48a state and as a society, all these have and the loss
00:02:51of economic power, because the isolation, the isolationism that
00:02:55Georgescu was talking about, made many think that they would
00:02:59lose their jobs, the cost of living
00:03:02would increase even more, investors would avoid Romania because
00:03:06it is a politically unstable country, and then all
00:03:09these were accounted for in people's
00:03:13minds, but this fear was not again an individual
00:03:17thing, we said social fear there, because
00:03:20that's how it happens, people talk about
00:03:23their fears, about their emotions, and they end up having
00:03:27the same representations after all. So this was also
00:03:31justified, as Filip was saying earlier,
00:03:34the others we met, for example, in the countryside, did not see
00:03:38this, this danger to such a great extent, I asked some of them, but
00:03:42weren't you afraid that Georgescu, if he had
00:03:44won, a form of enthusiasm in a way, some of
00:03:48them, but I repeat, many hadn't even known him before, hadn't known him before,
00:03:52but as they saw him, his appearances on television
00:03:55helped increase his support. Alina, Filip, in
00:03:58this situation.
00:04:01the hope of some or that little bit
00:04:04of joy or, I'll say hope, the hope
00:04:08of some in a redeemer radically opposes
00:04:12the fear of others towards this
00:04:16redeemer, which turns into a deep
00:04:19social fracture, I see you like
00:04:22this idea of fracture that we are constantly trying to
00:04:25overcome, it must be overcome, but now when we look
00:04:28around, it exists. to overcome and of course, with one research, you don't
00:04:32make a spring, so we need some, we need
00:04:36some measures, but I was thinking that if we
00:04:40coalition. Only the PSD reacted look, I'll go back to my idea, that if we look at the causes, then maybe it won't be
00:04:44necessary, because this desire for a redeemer or
00:04:48this hope that a person can solve
00:04:51something or even a party, it is
00:04:54installed in a society in a certain
00:04:57crisis context, meaning social crises. political
00:05:00economic, wars produce
00:05:04this, I don't know, desire, psychologists have studied it better
00:05:07than us, where this need of people comes
00:05:11from, but not of individual people, but of a
00:05:15social body, to seek a savior, well,
00:05:18it comes from the crisis situation, and then action must be taken upon this situation,
00:05:22rectified somehow and rectified with people in mind,
00:05:25because what we say in the book and we even criticize the
00:05:28current governors, in fact we
00:05:31criticize them because we wrote, we did the research
00:05:34after the change and
00:05:37the parliamentary elections of 2024, we
00:05:40say this: look at the situation of other countries in
00:05:44Europe, where extremist, radical, anti-system
00:05:48parties have gained ground in recent
00:05:50years, they gained ground, especially after 2008, after
00:05:54the crisis that hit economically, financially, the Western
00:05:58world and then the rest, after
00:06:002008 and in the conditions where the austerity
00:06:03measures taken by governments to save
00:06:08reduce spending, affected especially the vulnerable,
00:06:21there are many people who feel that the burden
00:06:24of repairing situations is only on their shoulders
00:06:28and they see, again, they make a comparison and this comparison is not
00:06:32likely to necessarily create resentments,
00:06:35a horrible comparison when you look at
00:06:38the VAT collection rate in Romania and
00:06:41the fact that many people declare this
00:06:45calmly everywhere, and those people who
00:06:49suffer terribly because of this economic
00:06:52pressure, well, okay, and what stops you from solving this
00:06:55problem? They pay VAT, you increase it for food
00:06:59and for books and for absolutely everything,
00:07:02yes, they increased it and they pay it, but that money doesn't
00:07:05reach the state treasury, which is even more
00:07:08that, and not only us, that there are also.
00:07:13we also wrote and we have a chapter at the end of
00:07:16our publication, in which
00:07:20we show what happened in other countries in the West and East
00:07:23of Europe, that these measures are not necessarily the best
00:07:27and that people if if they feel
00:07:30uprooted or dislocated and
00:07:34outside of a control over
00:07:36their own destiny, then they are even more receptive to
00:07:39propaganda, but the solution is not to... combat
00:07:43the propaganda that exists, yes, with
00:07:45other propaganda, meaning propaganda in the end will keep you
00:07:49hungry, when you're in government, I was
00:07:52thinking, I remembered a friend who lived for a few
00:07:56years in Vietnam, in communist Vietnam, and she told
00:08:00us that there, on their public television, the only one that existed,
00:08:03probably, there were only songs and good cheer, the Vietnamese
00:08:07didn't necessarily bring good things, but at least the
00:08:10official show was of a nature to create the impression that things were good,
00:08:14I don't think we can, I mean, I don't think a solution for us is not
00:08:18to talk about things, to pretend they don't exist, to not
00:08:22know at your TV station, let's
00:08:26say, as an example, we need to put our fingers
00:08:29on the wound, the people we talked to really put it
00:08:33there many times, they told us, they told us in their
00:08:36own words, what we theorized under the concept of social
00:08:39roots, that they told us about the fact that... their salary is
00:08:43not enough, they having a normal working schedule of eight hours
00:08:47or even more, doing tasks, for example, that were not necessarily
00:08:51in their job description, but anyway, if the employer asked,
00:08:54they do it because they know how, a salary that no longer allows them to
00:08:58send their children to school, to give them a starting
00:09:02point in life, according to the tradition of Romanian
00:09:06families, not that you help the young person to
00:09:09settle down, you here talked about people with low incomes.
00:09:13and about people with middle incomes, but you also talked
00:09:16to small local entrepreneurs
00:09:19in the areas where you did the research, people
00:09:23who expressed their deep frustration with
00:09:26social inequality, with inequality of opportunity, that's
00:09:30right, meaning we identified
00:09:32in some a picture of very small things,
00:09:36we often talk about big phenomena, but these are people who wanted to
00:09:40expand a store, yes.
00:09:43to feed a school, to get a contract to feed a
00:09:46school, you make credible the idea that through your own effort, not that this
00:09:50is the dominant discourse, no, we have to say the word
00:09:53neoliberalism, this is it, this is the moral of the current economy,
00:09:57that if you invest, if you are serious, if you stick to it, if
00:10:01you study, if you work and sometimes break your back, let's say,
00:10:05figuratively, at least, you will succeed, well, in this
00:10:09case we had a man who was running around us when he was talking to us.
00:10:12he served all the meals at the same time, he was both an employee and
00:10:15an owner, and what else could he do, he said he
00:10:19had five, six days a week when he served and prepared food and
00:10:23on the seventh day he went to get supplies,
00:10:26when could he have become more, to, to overcome
00:10:30his condition, yes, and if you don't offer such
00:10:34a person some, I don't know how to say, it has to be
00:10:37a combination, it has to be factors and materials, meaning
00:10:41practically to have some policies that redistribute somehow, to try to
00:10:45recognize, to identify these types of efforts, at least these, I
00:10:49would like to insist on a fact that I think those who
00:10:52follow us should understand, you don't say.
00:10:55for a second when you talk about social policies, as you
00:10:58are doing now, Filip, you don't do anything in the category
00:11:02of it's good to give people things, you never say that, that's
00:11:06not what you mean, surprisingly, none of our interlocutors, and we
00:11:09talked to very poor people, no one
00:11:12said: "We want social assistance to increase, we want
00:11:16the city hall to give us, we want the city hall to give us." Some said yes, indeed,
00:11:20maybe the mayor favors some more than others when
00:11:23he gives them... for example firewood for the winter, but there are
00:11:26compatriots who often say we should be given, I don't know, we didn't hear
00:11:30that, and we talked to over 50, we talked to over 50 people, you know what
00:11:34they wanted, they wanted well-paid jobs, locally if
00:11:38possible, that's it and from here
00:11:41a certain trace of regret for other times
00:11:45in which, of course, there is, I also encountered nostalgia for
00:11:48communism and Georgescu's discourse who said yes, okay, we will
00:11:51bring, we will restart the factories, yes, meaning yes, when
00:11:55you had a CAP and you had a small enterprise that collapsed, I'm not saying those should
00:11:59have continued, but they were replaced by nothing, on the other hand, it must be
00:12:02that it would be honest on our part, we must also
00:12:05remember the small local entrepreneurs, those
00:12:08who say it is extremely difficult, although
00:12:11you pay decently or relatively decently, to
00:12:15find people willing to come and do something, there is also
00:12:19this other side of the coin, we are currently doing another
00:12:22research, we are right in the middle of new research. about
00:12:26Romania, a destination country for immigrants from Southeast Asia, it is
00:12:29called Dreamland,
00:12:32we are trying to promote it and because we want to talk to as many
00:12:35employers as possible and understand their perspective as well.
00:12:39For now, we are in the phase of collecting interviews with immigrants and
00:12:42they come to Romania and see, for example, that it is a country
00:12:46where they live better than in their own, but they are paid most
00:12:50often, with minimum wage and with a very high workload,
00:12:53illegal in fact.
00:12:56unfortunately, Romanian employers, I can say that, I'm not
00:13:00afraid, prefer to pay very
00:13:03poorly, if they paid higher salaries, probably then
00:13:07the temptation of Romanians to go abroad seasonally to work in
00:13:10agriculture in other countries would be
00:13:13lower, the intensity of work abroad is very high, you can't
00:13:17sustain it indefinitely, meaning you sustain it at 20, 30, 35, but when
00:13:20you get close to 40, 45, maybe a job
00:13:23paid less. less would be acceptable for these
00:13:27people, meaning no, we are not asking
00:13:30for absurd things, but anyway, what Alina also said and
00:13:34somehow I would also insist on this idea, we should
00:13:37know that there is a reality, as the
00:13:40English say, complicated social decay, which
00:13:44we with formulas like "people don't want to work", "you can't find", don't
00:13:48solve it, not like that, purely and simply, not like that, we have to say
00:13:51it honestly, let's try to understand, let's do. a
00:13:55series of extensive research, to see how people live, after all, how
00:13:59they earn a living, because the way they earn a living is also the way this society
00:14:03holds together after all, I don't think these studies
00:14:07are absolutely necessary, you say this very often and you
00:14:10also do it, yes, good, it's a good example, as I said,
00:14:14a flower, I don't think it should, I think we
00:14:17should formulate a conclusion now,
00:14:21a research that leads us in a very good direction,
00:14:25this lesson is that no one gains anything,
00:14:28on the contrary, neither by anathematizing these
00:14:32voters, nor by anathematizing the idea of
00:14:35sovereignism, because that's not what it's about, but it's about
00:14:38what happens very close to our skin, about the conditions in which
00:14:42we live, about our labor relations, about
00:14:46our dignity relations in society, the deep
00:14:50causes are there and you demonstrate this
00:14:53and. all this spectacular surface, in
00:14:57the worst sense of the term, that some are
00:15:00toothless and primitive, others are an arrogant
00:15:04and bloated elite
00:15:07and, how to say, old in evil, all
00:15:11this foam of image is something that
00:15:13sends us astray, as they say in Romanian, not seeing
00:15:17the real causes of what is happening here, thank
00:15:20you very much for this study and good luck with what you
00:15:24have to do.
00:15:33sovereignism in Romania, why do people vote for extremist politicians.
00:29:32Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the main news edition of
00:29:35the day.
00:29:38The designated prime minister proposes a six-month pact to pro-European
00:29:41parties for the support of the future government. So far, only
00:29:45small parliamentary groups have
00:29:47said yes. Russia hit Ukraine's energy
00:29:50infrastructure even after Donald Trump announced an energy
00:29:54armistice between Moscow and Kyiv. Ukrainians respected
00:29:57the White House's proposal.
00:30:00More supporters of Donald Trump distance themselves from the White House leader
00:30:04ahead of the November elections. This is also happening in traditionally
00:30:08Republican states.
00:30:12And here, the largest Orthodox pilgrimage included a
00:30:15procession through the streets of Iași. Tens of thousands of believers greeted
00:30:19the holy relics of Saint Parascheva and Saint Paisie carried on
00:30:23the shoulders of
00:30:23priests.
00:30:32a six-month political agreement for the support of the government, not just a
00:30:36vote for investiture, is the proposal that the designated prime minister made
00:30:39to the parties of the former ruling
00:30:43favorably because it practically responds to the condition it
00:30:46announced from the start, a parliamentary majority with PNL and
00:30:50UDMR. The liberals, however, remain consistent and exclude any alliance with
00:30:53the social democrats, as do the USR leaders.