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00:00:00I don't see this discussion at the moment,
00:00:03to be very explicit, I don't
00:00:06see, at the moment we are speaking, a dialogue partner for
00:00:09PSD? There are projects in parliament that have
00:00:13been voted for by Aur and PNL
00:00:17and PSD, a complex discussion, I start from a
00:00:21very clear premise that at the moment we need to have a government of
00:00:24zero priority, and in politics you have to have discussions
00:00:28with everyone, that doesn't automatically mean that you've come to agree, you can
00:00:31discuss, to conclude that you don't agree with what you talked
00:00:35about with a person when you sat with them at the table, regardless of the party they belong to, now, so leave the door
00:00:39open to this dialogue with it's about such a thing, now we have
00:00:42a nomination in the person of Mr. Luca Niculescu, we from PSD,
00:00:46in the last three months we have worked on a government program together with the private sector, with specialists from
00:00:50universities, from companies, from civil society to deliver
00:00:54real solutions, with clear deadlines, with
00:00:57responsible parties, with evaluation methods to get Romania out of the economic
00:01:01crisis we are in today, if they will be included in the government program, we will be there to
00:01:04fight for Romania. Will AUR steal from the
00:01:08electorate? AUR has its electorate, PSD
00:01:12will never succeed in finding
00:01:15its electorate if it gets along well with AUR, if it fawns over it.
00:01:19We, in order to recover a part of our electorate, which partially went to AUR,
00:01:22will have to deliver what people expect, to validate ourselves through strong
00:01:26measures that people with medium
00:01:30and low incomes in our country expect, for them we govern, I don't think
00:01:33it would benefit us if we started or got
00:01:37along well with AUR, it wouldn't solve anything, we have our
00:01:40path, your path which does not coincide or coincides with
00:01:43the path of AUR, AUR
00:01:46AUR, PSD is PSD, and we from PSD for 35 years
00:01:49with with and with the mistakes we made and
00:01:53acknowledged, I am convinced that we represent the most serious
00:01:57alternative to...
00:02:00the saraband of populism with which parties that have never
00:02:04been in government come, it's true that they do well in PR campaigns in
00:02:08houses of 35,000 € but when they go to put them into practice they say it
00:02:12was just electoral
00:02:13marketing.
00:02:16These evocations in the public space that
00:02:19Mr. Stănescu would go to AUR or that other people from the branches would go to AUR,
00:02:23Stănescu said it explicitly in a message that it
00:02:26is not true. I am
00:02:29convinced that... I know Mr. Paul Stănescu and he would never
00:02:32do such a thing, meaning it's perhaps a mistake to say
00:02:36"never" in politics, but knowing
00:02:39Mr. Stănescu, I'm convinced he won't do such a thing. Are you
00:02:42worried about the Georgescu phenomenon, do you think those supporters are also from
00:02:46you? I am convinced that whoever had to vote for the
00:02:50Social Democratic Party voted for it, whoever had to vote for Mr. Georgescu voted with
00:02:54him. Do you believe that? But those votes are
00:02:56not, as it is evoked,
00:03:00but you know that those vote transfers
00:03:03to George Simion from certain PSD branches were asked by Mr.
00:03:07Georgescu. But don't you
00:03:11worry about this phenomenon, Călin Georgescu?
00:03:15I think it should worry any responsible politician, given
00:03:18that that man, obviously, in a very transparent campaign
00:03:22with zero expenses, managed in the course of three
00:03:26days to be number eight in the world with about 400 million reaches.
00:03:30on TikTok, obviously for free, there appeared such a love
00:03:34of algorithms for Mr. Călin Georgescu from nowhere. Obviously,
00:03:38it is a phenomenon that sometimes
00:03:41shows, as a sociological impact, how
00:03:44easily algorithms can influence the outcome
00:03:48of elections. At the same time, the fact
00:03:51that you claim that you have
00:03:54maximum transparency and spend
00:03:580 lei in a campaign and
00:04:02then such a campaign, any
00:04:05serious online marketing company can show
00:04:09with figures that it costs millions of euros, now I don't
00:04:13think those money came from nowhere. Well, Mr. Ivana, former
00:04:16Minister of Energy, can you explain to Romanians simply
00:04:19why prices exploded, even though Romania
00:04:22has an energy mix? Prices exploded in Romania, they
00:04:26doubled from 2022 until
00:04:29last year. For two very simple reasons: Romania
00:04:32chose, no, or the Romanian government five
00:04:36years ago, chose for Romania to
00:04:39have the highest decarbonization target in the entire European
00:04:43Union, to close its power plants and coal mines by 2025,
00:04:47December 31st, a thing I postponed as Minister of
00:04:49distanced itself, Sweden Energy, while Germany and Poland chose to do this
00:04:53until 2040, respectively
00:04:57Green leaf, lake 2050, and Romania through this extremely flawed policy. for Romania's interest
00:05:01has gone from a country that exports energy to a country
00:05:04dependent on energy imports, and this week we
00:05:07reached a maximum of 3600 MW
00:05:10imports at prices.
00:05:13four or five times higher than the average in our
00:05:16country, and the bill will be paid not by the Minister
00:05:19of Energy, but by Romanians, and what is the solution?
00:05:23The solution is a very clear one: more storage, and for this reason, while I was
00:05:27minister, I opened two financings for
00:05:29storage for our country and two, more
00:05:33electricity production, and here we had a very
00:05:36consistent debate related to Cernavodă and the
00:05:40SMR project from Doicești, but also. about Mintia, which this
00:05:44autumn will enter production and will produce somewhere around 700 to 1700
00:05:48MW. Since we are on this topic,
00:05:51I would like to discuss your presence at the table with Ambassador
00:05:55Kimberly Gilfoyle. Of course , yes, and have you recovered after this
00:05:59failure with the signing of the agreement regarding American gas?
00:06:02One second, I don't understand the question about recovering. First of all, did you have a
00:06:05failure? Two, with, two, with the failure? To be very clear,
00:06:09because we have time and I will explain this. very, very
00:06:12explicit subject. In 2014,
00:06:15when the first aggression
00:06:18of the Russian Federation in Ukraine, in the Crimean
00:06:21peninsula, the European Commission and
00:06:24the American establishment decided that there was a need for a new
00:06:28alternative to the gas coming from the Russian Federation, gas that has been used
00:06:32by the Russian Federation for decades to politically force
00:06:36through which Romania committed
00:06:38Two, respectively in 2022 after the other illegitimate aggression
00:06:42of the Russian Federation against Ukraine, the European Commission with Mrs.
00:06:46President Ursula von der Leyen signed an agreement with the United
00:06:49States of America to supply liquefied gas to Europe and reduce
00:06:52dependence on Russia.
00:06:54Three, in November last year, when I had the Social Democratic Party Congress
00:06:58in Athens, where I was a candidate, the Deputy Prime Minister of Romania, Mr.
00:07:02Cătălin Predoiu, State Secretary Cristian Bușoi and Finance Minister Alexandru
00:07:06Nazare signed together with Transgaz and Nova Powerenguez a
00:07:10memorandum through which, together with. nine states from across the Central
00:07:14and Eastern European region,
00:07:17to a 90-day deadline to analyze whether it is in the country's
00:07:20interest to be part of this
00:07:24natural gas transport project
00:07:27coming from Greece, for the entire Central and Eastern European region or
00:07:31not. The moment I received that agreement later, because
00:07:34I was not present at its signing as I was at the Social Democratic Party
00:07:38Congress, I had a deadline assumed by
00:07:42Romania with the United States of America, within 90 days to
00:07:46say if we are interested in this project, if we are not interested in this project
00:07:49or in what we are interested in this project, and the entire
00:07:52desperate campaign carried out by
00:07:54certain
00:07:57political circles and here I will say directly progressive ones to
00:08:01try to inoculate that expensive tariffs for natural
00:08:04gas were discussed that should be clearer, did you request
00:08:08a negotiation mandate? Of course I requested a mandate, I requested a negotiation mandate.
00:08:14I requested, I requested a negotiation mandate, because it's an aspect, it's
00:08:17an aspect, if, if you allow me to tell you explicitly what
00:08:21I wrote in that, given that we are talking about
00:08:25an investment that positions Romania both from an energy
00:08:29point of view and from a security point of view, I requested a
00:08:33complex mandate made by the Ministry of Energy, which we are responsible for
00:08:36ensuring that it is produced in the market and that we have diversification, two, the Ministry of National
00:08:40Defense, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs,
00:08:42the Ministry of Internal Affairs, SRI, SIE, because we are talking
00:08:46about Romania, and this approach with America must be a
00:08:49holistic one, and why did this project block
00:08:53yours, it didn't even receive the mandate, it didn't even get to
00:08:57discussions regarding prices, I haven't had an
00:09:00explanation that I consider credible and for this reason I requested in writing
00:09:03that, in my capacity as minister, to the Prime Minister
00:09:07of Romania, and today that the Ambassador's activity is being
00:09:11analyzed.
00:09:42The price of natural gas in Europe at TTF
00:09:46in Vienna is 70 €.
00:09:49In America it is 10 €. Brought
00:09:53liquefied and brought to Europe, it reaches a maximum of 30 €. But I repeat,
00:09:57Romania has a unique chance through the Neptun Deep project. If
00:10:01we really want to be relevant, let's not just think about extracting
00:10:04some gas from the ground and selling it further, but let's make an energy
00:10:07strategy for the next 25 years in which Romania brings added value and uses Romanian
00:10:11gas. the petrochemical
00:10:13industry in Romania
00:10:17has enough gas, so why do we still need these
00:10:21to not continue to put pressure on Romania for
00:10:24these. gases from our country to be bought by our neighbors, perhaps at a
00:10:28better price, and which in two
00:10:31or 10 years might not be
00:10:34enough for us anymore. This
00:10:37project, I'll give you just one example from my point of view for Central and Eastern Europe,
00:10:41that project would have meant that Romania would be the main energy hub that would
00:10:45earn hundreds of millions of dollars just from natural gas transit fees and
00:10:49that Romania would have had the tap, I say it very graphically, the gas tap that
00:10:53goes to Ukraine, Moldova, Bulgaria, Slovakia and
00:10:57Serbia. At the moment, only from what
00:10:59Romgaz extracts, meaning 4 billion which you can somehow say
00:11:03you have a majority stake from the Romanian state. 2.5
00:11:07billion consumes Mintia, which starts its activity this winter and 1.5
00:11:10billion
00:11:14cubic meters of natural gas consumes Azomureș, meaning
00:11:18all of Romgaz's production, hypothetically speaking, would be covered by two
00:11:21new large consumers, because I have two more topics.
00:11:25important, how do you evaluate
00:11:28this relationship between Romania and the United States with this
00:11:31incident, in which you were somehow on
00:11:34track? I want to explain this topic
00:11:38explicitly. In my capacity as Minister of Energy, I have
00:11:41meetings with my counterparts, with ambassadors
00:11:45from the USA to Japan, South Korea, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan,
00:11:49Germany, France, the strategic partnership between two states is not made
00:11:52with the name of a politician
00:11:55or an ambassador, it is made between states,
00:11:59regardless of options, friendships or any other
00:12:02personal aspects. And
00:12:05at the moment I believe that Romania should have an even stronger partnership with the United States of
00:12:09America where we have an extremely
00:12:12important economic area in energy, in nuclear energy, in natural
00:12:16gas, because at the moment we need to be
00:12:20extremely relevant on the Washington,
00:12:23Brussels, Bucharest axis. major
00:12:28now as we speak, because Donald Trump announced
00:12:32that agreement for massive diesel deliveries with
00:12:35Vladimir Putin for the American market and the international
00:12:38market, the term massive is not 30,000
00:12:42tons immediately, 50,000 in a few
00:12:45days and another million tons, Romania consumes 6-7 million
00:12:49tons of diesel per year, which is a third of Romania's consumption.
00:12:53geopolitical consequences.
00:13:01I believe that in everything that happens in the Black Sea, Romania should be an
00:13:04important player on the Washington
00:13:08Bucharest Moscow axis and not find out about it from TV, I hope I haven't found out from
00:13:11TV overall the subjects
00:13:13and it's not yet an agreement, it was a telephone discussion that was
00:13:17reported by Donald Trump as such,
00:13:21it was announced by Donald Trump as such and main.
00:13:55done, which
00:13:57in our case, to produce more petroleum products on our country's
00:14:01territory and automatically have better prices, meaning I have nothing to reproach
00:14:04in this partnership, I think we should be more pragmatic and more
00:14:07active in
00:14:11our interests, yes, but the financing of the Russian
00:14:13war machine and what that vertical corridor project would have
00:14:19we're not talking about a corridor in principle, Romania's position as a
00:14:23key player in the region would have meant that American
00:14:27gas would have reached the Central and Southeast region to the detriment of Russian gas. Well, but did you
00:14:30hear any position from Romania regarding this
00:14:33agreement between Trump and Putin? At the moment I think the Ministry of Foreign Affairs would be the one to
00:14:37present an official position, I am no longer in the executive official
00:14:41position. Is PSD interested in this topic with
00:14:45major geopolitical implications? So the Social Democratic
00:14:48Party in its history, the party that negotiated Romania's integration into
00:14:52NATO, into the European Union and recently when he was. Prime Minister Marcel
00:14:55Ciolacu, Romania's integration into the Schengen
00:14:58Area, so it is more than interested and is the one who delivers, not just makes
00:15:02wish lists on Facebook. What conclusions should we
00:15:05draw after this discussion in
00:15:09which Romania currently has no position, Germany
00:15:14distanced itself, Finland distanced itself, many European
00:15:18countries speak of profound
00:15:22disappointment, is this a commercial,
00:15:25electoral agreement with
00:15:27geopolitical effects, don't you think this is also a key
00:15:31topic for Romania beyond the blockage between PSD, PNL and whatever else
00:15:34you're doing there in the internal crisis. extremely
00:15:37important for Romania on all political,
00:15:40diplomatic channels to have contacts with the great chancelleries of the world, especially on
00:15:44strategic portfolios such as energy, the supply
00:15:48of fuel in this context of the conflict in the Middle East,
00:15:51because an impact on the price and
00:15:54on the supply chain can bring negative
00:15:57effects on the entire economy, and at the moment
00:16:00a priority from my point of view
00:16:04extremely important, regardless of how the new government will be configured.
00:16:07for Romania to have a very clear
00:16:10positioning of the agenda, don't
00:16:13speak in the future, it doesn't exist in the present, this
00:16:17topic is in the present, I still with limited powers have an
00:16:20interim government of Romania, but it is still the government
00:16:23of Romania which should Thank you very much, Mr. Ivan, for
00:16:27participating in free dialogues,
00:16:30thank you very much for being with
00:16:32us, I await you for free dialogues next
00:16:36Monday at 8 PM.