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00:00:20Welcome back and let's get more
00:00:22on artificial intelligence with King
00:00:24King Charles urging tech bosses to
00:00:26to develop a sufficient means of of controlling the technology before,
00:00:30before, in his words, it all becomes becomes too late. Well, addressing
00:00:34addressing figures from Nvidia, Google, Google, DeepMind, OpenAI, Anthropic
00:00:37Anthropic and others, the King warned warned of the existential dangers
00:00:40dangers of AI falling into the wrong
00:00:42wrong hands. Well, Suresh Venkatasubramanian
00:00:46Venkatasubramanian is the director director of centre for Technological Technological Responsibility at Brown
00:00:49Brown University. I asked him a little little earlier what he thought of
00:00:52of the wealth of warnings that have have come from AI bosses. I have
00:00:56have very mixed feelings about this. this. On the one hand, I'm very glad
00:01:00glad that we're, you know, starting starting again. It seems every six
00:01:02six months we start again to have have a discussion about the impact
00:01:06impact and the harms that can come come from an unchecked deployment deployment of AI in the world and
00:01:10and in various places. But I'm also also very disappointed that these
00:01:13these conversations are happening. happening. Even the summit that you're you're having in the UK right now
00:01:17now are apparently only happening happening with the tech companies
00:01:21companies who are in some ways directly directly responsible for the mess
00:01:23mess we find ourselves in and that that we're not hearing from broader
00:01:26broader voices. I remember, you know, know, three years ago when the UK
00:01:30UK hosted the first AI safety summit summit in Bletchley Park and our
00:01:33our Vice President at the time, Kamala Kamala Harris, came in and asked
00:01:36asked very pointedly, safety for for whom? And then three years passed
00:01:40passed and first of all, nothing nothing happened. The tech companies companies did nothing to make sure
00:01:43sure the systems were safer. And
00:01:46And the UK itself, your you know, know, you're very well respected.
00:01:49respected. AI Safety Institute decided decided to rebrand itself as an AI
00:01:52AI Security Institute and remove remove the word safety from the discussion.
00:01:56discussion. So it seems like we've we've had this collective amnesia amnesia for three years, and now
00:02:00now suddenly we're waking up again again and say, wait, wait, we should should think about safety all over
00:02:03over again. And so that's a little little disappointing, I think. Briefly Briefly before we come on to some
00:02:06some of the wider issues, you said said that you're disappointed it
00:02:09it who is there at the summit. So
00:02:11So who else should be there. Here's
00:02:15Here's the problem with a lot of of the discussions around AI right
00:02:17right now. The tech companies want want us to believe in all the benefits
00:02:20benefits of AI. We just heard from from the CEO of Nvidia about this.
00:02:24this. Those benefits will accrue accrue almost directly to the people people who work at those tech companies,
00:02:28companies, but the harms are being being distributed everywhere. And And this is not even something new.
00:02:31new. We've seen the harms of AI and
00:02:35and incommensurately apply to people people who are already disadvantaged disadvantaged to begin with, and
00:02:39and we don't hear from any of those those folks. We don't hear from civil
00:02:42civil society. We don't hear from from people inside governments who
00:02:44who are working to make sure we actually actually use AI responsibly. All
00:02:48All we hear from is the people who who are putting the systems out there. there. They are not the only people
00:02:52people who should be in the room. room. More on that AI summit coming
00:02:55coming up a little later. Let's turn turn to South Africa though now because
00:02:58because another body has been discovered discovered following a spate of killings
00:03:02killings of women near Johannesburg, Johannesburg, nine women have been
00:03:05been killed over the last two months. months. Police say they're trying
00:03:08trying to work out any connections. connections. Most of the bodies have
00:03:11have been found either partially partially or fully naked. South Africa
00:03:14Africa has one of the highest rates rates of femicide in the world. Our
00:03:18Our South Africa correspondent Nomsa Nomsa Maseko has more. The woman
00:03:22woman whose body was found here earlier
00:03:24earlier is believed to be in her
00:03:26her 30s. She was found partially partially naked with her throat cut.
00:03:29cut. Police believe she was murdered murdered elsewhere and that her body
00:03:33body was deliberately dumped here here near a residential area so that
00:03:37that her body could be found. The The recent spate of killings has
00:03:40has sparked public outrage and fear, fear, raising new questions about
00:03:44about the scale of gender based violence
00:03:46violence in South Africa. You know, know, I'm scared. I'm angry. I'm
00:03:50I'm upset. I'm nervous. I am everything.
00:03:53everything. I'm shattered. This is
00:03:57is bad in the a country where there
00:04:00there is democracy. But we experience experience we are faced with this
00:04:03this challenge of murdering women. women. We are parents. We are young.
00:04:07young. We. We like. We are even scared
00:04:10scared now to come out of your house. house. You are scared to go to the
00:04:13the shop. You are scared to go anywhere. anywhere. We are no longer free in in the country. We're supposed to
00:04:17to be free and to be safe as women. women. There's widespread speculation
00:04:21speculation that the recent murders murders have been committed by a
00:04:23a serial killer, but police have.
00:04:25have. Not confirmed this yet. The
00:04:27The acting police commissioner has has said investigators are following
00:04:30following up on all possible leads.
00:04:33leads. It's still very early to make
00:04:36make any conclusions about this body
00:04:38body that has been found here. However,
00:04:41However, because we are having currently currently a multidisciplinary team
00:04:44team that was assembled already on on Sunday when the acting provincial
00:04:47provincial commissioner made a call,
00:04:49call, it was also joined by the National
00:04:54National Forensic, a investigative investigative psychology unit, so
00:04:55so that they can assist with the
00:04:58the profiling of the victims as well
00:05:00well to look at the similarities
00:05:03similarities and if there is any, any, a connection that can be made
00:05:06made on all the bodies. Women have have been urged not to walk or run
00:05:10run alone and avoid secluded spaces.
00:05:13spaces. Officials have said the warnings warnings are not about restricting
00:05:16restricting the freedom of women
00:05:18women to move, exercise or live their their lives, but that it's all about
00:05:22about taking reasonable precautions.
00:05:24precautions. While police continue
00:05:26continue with their investigations. investigations. Nomsa Maseko BBC
00:05:30BBC News, Johannesburg. We'll have have much more on that story in about
00:05:33about an hour's time here on BBC BBC News. That will be the subject
00:05:37subject of our big story here. Also
00:05:39Also later on the BBC News YouTube
00:05:41YouTube channel. Now. MUSIC
00:05:54MUSIC I I know this might sound weird, but
00:05:57but I've been obsessed with the oldest
00:05:59oldest person in the world for
00:06:04years. Meet adventurous, Brooklyn Brooklyn based, Oscar nominated filmmaker
00:06:07filmmaker Sam Green. Since 2015, 2015, he's been travelling the world,
00:06:11world, chronicling the forever changing changing holders of the title of
00:06:14of oldest person in the world. Its
00:06:17Its survey has included Kane Tanaka Tanaka in Japan, who held the title
00:06:20title for four years. And then there's
00:06:23there's the oldest person ever, Jeanne
00:06:25Jeanne Louise Calment, who when she
00:06:27she died in 1997, was 122 years old. old. In her later years she recorded
00:06:31recorded a rap album, the thing I
00:06:34I liked about the film Sam Green's Green's investigation of these very
00:06:37very senior citizens has become a a lifelong project. A documentary
00:06:41documentary based on his survey so so far has just been released. His
00:06:44His long been fascinated by why the
00:06:46the news media and the public are
00:06:48are so interested in the title holder holder of the oldest person in the
00:06:52the world. To this day I still don't don't fully understand it. Is this
00:06:56this a fear of death? Is this a fear
00:06:59fear of fate or a you know, one of
00:07:02of those things like with the car
00:07:04car crash where you can't look away away but you don't want to look at
00:07:07at it? In making his documentary, documentary, Sam Green found there
00:07:11there was nearly always a desire desire on the part of others to find
00:07:14find out if there's a secret to longevity.
00:07:16longevity. The elderly people, he he observed, had all kinds of answers
00:07:19answers for why they'd led a long long life. One woman stated she'd
00:07:23she'd live for a long time because because she'd stayed away from men.
00:07:26men. She also said her secret was was eating three raw eggs a day.
00:07:30day. Two, you know, so it's like like the media descends on these
00:07:33these people. Everybody asks them them what their secret is and they
00:07:37they say something and everybody everybody runs with that. This documentary
00:07:40documentary often shows that other other people, the outside world is
00:07:44is often much more intrigued by the the oldest person in the world than
00:07:47than the subjects who hold that title. title. But this film isn't just about
00:07:51about the very old. It's also about about life and death and events in
00:07:55in the filmmaker's own life the birth birth of a son and his own confrontation
00:07:59confrontation with a life threatening threatening illness. These things things started to creep into the
00:08:03the movie, so over time it becomes
00:08:05becomes a larger meditation, I hope,
00:08:08hope, about time and the mysteries mysteries of being alive and fate
00:08:12fate and all these big questions
00:08:14questions that we ask ourselves.
00:08:17ourselves. The last person I interviewed, interviewed, a Spanish woman named
00:08:21named Maria Branyas, she was very very funny. She even was making fun
00:08:24fun of me, which I love. But in. in. At a moment in the interview
00:08:28interview she said, you are
00:08:33young. I know. So now is the time time to do good works. What she was
00:08:36was saying is you're young and you
00:08:38you have time, so use it. And I think
00:08:41think that's a beautiful thing to
00:08:45to appreciate. Over the last ten ten years, Sam Green has met many
00:08:49many of those who've held the title title of oldest person in the world.
00:08:53world. But there's been one holdout
00:08:55holdout the current title holder, holder, 117-year-old Ethel Caterham,
00:08:59Caterham, who lives in Surrey just
00:09:01just outside London. She was born born in Edwardian times. She is the
00:09:05the first person in ten years who
00:09:08who has rebuffed my overtures. But But she did let King Charles visit
00:09:12visit her, didn't she? When I saw
00:09:14saw a video of her in King Charles
00:09:17Charles and I thought, Charles, not
00:09:19not me. You know she's British. She's
00:09:22She's the last Edwardian. So I guess guess she feels some allegiance to
00:09:26to the King. But you know, come on. on. I've been doing this for ten
00:09:29ten years. Even though this documentary documentary focuses on the very old
00:09:32old and very fragile. It makes the the point that there is much to learn
00:09:36learn from observing them and from from the filmmaker himself about
00:09:39about what it means to live a thoughtful
00:09:41thoughtful life. It is an unexpectedly
00:09:45unexpectedly life affirming film.
00:13:28MUSIC
00:13:41Being able to inspire someone
00:13:43is always the greatest joy. I saw
00:13:46saw Sienna one time at the Grammys Grammys and she said that she studied studied some of my songs for the
00:13:50the songwriting, and I thought that that that was the biggest compliment
00:13:53compliment ever. States. Etait sacrifies...
00:14:03MUSIC
00:14:09My support for Ukraine is unwavering.
00:14:13unwavering. It is 100%. When the
00:14:15the big names talk. They talk to
00:14:17to us
00:15:07MUSIC
00:15:10Live from London. This is BBC News.
00:15:16News. King Charles urges Silicon Silicon Valley bosses to develop
00:15:19develop sufficient controls for AI AI amid fresh calls for safeguards
00:15:23safeguards from another senior tech
00:15:25tech figure. Those in our world who
00:15:28who value deeply our humanity and
00:15:31and its vital moral component are
00:15:33are anxiously seeking your reassurance
00:15:37reassurance that we will not lose
00:15:38lose control of our destiny or our
00:15:41our souls. We're essentially ceding
00:15:45ceding a new silicon species, which which will no doubt compete with
00:15:48with us for resources. Buckingham Buckingham Palace is in a war of
00:15:52of words with Princess Diana's brother brother over his controversial memoir
00:15:56memoir about her life and death. death. South African police say they