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00:00:00Absolutely not, Chancellor. I do do not think it is a moral thing thing for you to do. The system as
00:00:03as it's now evolved is completely completely indefensible. AI is going
00:00:06going to mean that some jobs do disappear. disappear. Will it be Harris or will
00:00:10will it be Trump? The Democrats messed messed it up. Well we lost. So we
00:00:14we have to not upset Donald Trump. Trump. We have to be an ally to Donald
00:00:17Donald Trump. An ally. Does that that mean. Allies don't betray. Our
00:00:21Our relationship with the United United States is not one of mutual
00:00:24mutual affection. It's a deal. We
00:00:26We still. Have a special relationship. relationship. Well, it's not that
00:00:29that special, is it? If you impose impose 10% tariffs. President Trump
00:00:32Trump probably thinks that we in in Canada will cave in. We are going
00:00:35going to stand up to a bully. We're We're not going to back down. Come
00:00:39Come President Trump trust President President Putin. Well, they do have
00:00:42have trust already. He would wipe
00:00:45wipe out an entire civilisation of
00:00:47of people. That is insanity. There's
00:00:51There's a white flash. You saw every
00:00:56every bone, every bloodline, every every sinew going through your hands
00:00:59hands with your eyes shut. It's so. so. Shocking that that happened.
00:01:03happened. Do you think you made life life worse for Joe Biden? Of course
00:01:07course I did. That's what addiction addiction does. We're known throughout
00:01:11throughout the world as Post Office
00:01:13Office victims. We are now being
00:01:16being revictimized. It's difficult. difficult. The dinghy was far. We
00:01:20We live in a society that in many
00:01:23many cases emboldens misogyny. They
00:01:29They describe themselves as Epstein
00:01:32Epstein survivors. Even my smile smile is different. I don't smile
00:01:35smile the same way any more. I had
00:01:36had no idea what was about to happen
00:01:39happen to me. It's normal. Girl has
00:01:44has taken down a prince. And lift.
00:01:48lift. Off. I called Houston and I
00:01:51I said, I think we've just gone into
00:01:53into sci-fi. It's hard to describe describe what we were actually seeing.
00:01:56seeing. It was so amazing. That is
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00:02:18Sumi Somaskanda in Washington. And this is BBC World News America.
00:02:22America. Possible war crimes by the the US. That is the verdict of a
00:02:25a UN panel investigating two deadly deadly strikes in Iran from February.
00:02:29February. The US rejects the report. report. President Trump says the
00:02:33the US is making major progress towards towards opening its first permanent
00:02:36permanent army base in Poland, calling calling it an historic step for both
00:02:39both countries. And King Charles Charles urges leading tech bosses
00:02:43bosses developing AI to protect humanity humanity as he warns of existential
00:02:47existential dangers. Those who have
00:02:50have created these technologies are
00:02:52are now increasingly warning that
00:02:55that AI risks developing darker capacities,
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00:03:12Welcome to World News America.
00:03:14The US Israel war with Iran may be be at a stalemate, but now there
00:03:17there is fallout from the height height of the conflict. UN investigators
00:03:21investigators say there are reasonable reasonable grounds to believe that that the US carried out war crimes
00:03:25crimes in the early days of its war
00:03:26war on Iran, the UN s independent independent international fact finding
00:03:30finding mission on Iran found that that the US may have, quote, committed
00:03:33committed the war crime of launching launching an indiscriminate attack
00:03:36attack resulting in loss of life life or injury to civilians or damage
00:03:40damage to civilian objects. The report,
00:03:42report, submitted to the UN Human Human Rights Council, pointed to
00:03:45to two deadly missile strikes in in February, one on a primary school
00:03:49school in Minab and another that that hit a sports complex in Lamerd.
00:03:52Lamerd. It says at least 178 civilians
00:03:55civilians were killed in those two two attacks. The State Department
00:03:58Department said it does not give give credibility to findings from from the report and that the protection
00:04:02protection of civilians is of the the utmost importance to the US now,
00:04:06now, the US previously said it is is investigating that strike and
00:04:09and denies the raid on the UN.. Experts Experts also found Iranian authorities
00:04:13authorities committed crimes against against humanity during a crackdown
00:04:16crackdown on mass anti-government
00:04:19anti-government protests in 2025 2025 and into 2026. Our State Department
00:04:23Department correspondent Tom Bateman Bateman has more. This was two incidents incidents on day one of the war.
00:04:27war. The strike on the school in in Minab and also on a sports complex
00:04:31complex in Lamerd in Iran. Now the
00:04:33the report goes through the evidence evidence that on the school strike
00:04:37strike that the US., it believes believes was using outdated targeting. targeting. We've heard quite a lot
00:04:40lot about this, and it says because because of that, in the words of
00:04:44of the fact finders, this was more more than mere negligence. They say
00:04:48say that this was reckless. And because because of that, the Americans either
00:04:51either knew or should have known known that this was no longer a military
00:04:54military complex, that it was actually actually a school. And therefore therefore it says there's reasonable
00:04:58reasonable grounds to say that this this was a war crime committed by
00:05:01by the Americans. Similarly with with Lamerd, it calls this an indiscriminate
00:05:04indiscriminate attack and also reasonable reasonable grounds to say that this
00:05:08this is a war crime. So, you know, know, a very strong finding. The
00:05:12The State Department completely rejecting
00:05:14rejecting it. They say that the Human
00:05:17Human Rights Committee Commission Commission at the United Nations, Nations, which appoints this fact
00:05:21fact finding mission, is anti-American. anti-American. They say the report
00:05:24report is not credible. Now, amid amid the ongoing war in the Middle
00:05:27Middle East, Iran's delegation will will be allowed to enter the US next
00:05:31next week for the United Nations Nations General Assembly. That's That's according to a State Department
00:05:34Department spokesperson. However, However, two Palestinian sources
00:05:37sources tell the BBC the US denied denied an entry visa to Palestinian
00:05:41Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas Abbas for the assembly for the second second year in a row. The US had
00:05:45had recently renewed sanctions against against Palestinian officials, without
00:05:48without naming Abbas, accusing them them of failing to live up to peace
00:05:52peace process commitments. The US US accused the Palestinian Authority
00:05:55Authority of glorifying terrorism terrorism and attempting to internationalise
00:05:59internationalise the Israeli-Palestinian Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Palestinian Palestinian officials reject those
00:06:02those claims, calling the visa sanctions sanctions an unjustified measure.
00:06:06measure. Abbas will instead make make a video address to the annual
00:06:09annual UN gathering in New York City.
00:06:11City. Let's talk about all of the the latest news with Jennifer DeVito,
00:06:14DeVito, a former top State Department Department official for the Middle
00:06:17Middle East. She's currently a senior senior adviser at the Cohen Group,
00:06:20Group, an international consulting consulting group. Jennifer, thank thank you so much for joining us.
00:06:23us. I first want to start with the
00:06:26the UN fact finding that we mentioned mentioned about those US strikes
00:06:29strikes in the early days of the
00:06:31the war. What do you make of those
00:06:34those findings? So this is really
00:06:36really damaging for US credibility. credibility. It is true that this
00:06:40this is not a criminal finding, but but nonetheless, this really damages,
00:06:43damages, I think, US credibility credibility and increases the urgency
00:06:47urgency of the United States conducting conducting a real investigation into
00:06:50into this. Initially, the Department Department of War did acknowledge
00:06:54acknowledge that it had found preliminarily preliminarily that the United States
00:06:57States was probably responsible for for this strike. But we've heard
00:07:00heard very little since. And I think think what is especially concerning
00:07:03concerning in this is that the Department Department of War Zone Inspector
00:07:07Inspector General has determined determined that the Department is
00:07:10is not able to carry out or as deprioritized
00:07:14deprioritized its responsibilities. responsibilities. Congressionally Congressionally mandated responsibilities responsibilities for civilian harm
00:07:18harm mitigation. So this raises a a lot of questions. I will just add
00:07:22add once again, a State Department Department official telling the BBC
00:07:25BBC that the Trump administration administration had formally withdrawn
00:07:27withdrawn from the UN Human Rights Rights Council, saying a consistent
00:07:31consistent failure was there to uphold uphold values as the council pushes
00:07:34pushes anti-American rhetoric, among among other points, I also want to
00:07:38to ask you in this context about about the UN General Assembly, which
00:07:42which will take place in New York York next week. And we mentioned mentioned that Palestinian sources
00:07:45sources have told the BBC that Mahmoud
00:07:48Mahmoud Abbas was denied a visa again.
00:07:50again. What impact do you think that
00:07:52that has? Well, I think that this
00:07:55this is very difficult to explain,
00:07:57explain, let alone defend at a moment
00:08:00moment when the Board of Peace, which which is a body that was put forward
00:08:03forward by the United States to bring
00:08:09bring reconstruction to Gaza, that that that Board of Peace envisions
00:08:13envisions eventually the Palestinian Palestinian Authority taking over over control of Gaza. And so the
00:08:17the Palestinian Authority and President President Abbas have to be partners
00:08:20partners with the United States in in order to achieve those outcomes.
00:08:24outcomes. It's especially baffling baffling given that we're now hearing
00:08:27hearing that the Iranian delegation delegation has been granted visas.
00:08:30visas. And so I think, you know, know, at the very least, this raises
00:08:34raises questions about the United United States headquarters agreement agreement when it comes to its hosting
00:08:38hosting of the UN General Assembly.
00:08:40Assembly. What about the US argument argument here that it is Mahmoud
00:08:44Mahmoud Abbas who has not been a a partner, saying that the Palestinian Palestinian Authority is pursuing
00:08:47pursuing legal action against Israel, Israel, that it is standing in the
00:08:51the way of seeking peace. So I think think you can make an argument that
00:08:54that both the Palestinian Authority Authority and Israel have been standing
00:08:58standing for decades in the way of
00:08:59of peace. That doesn't negate the
00:09:02the fact that the Palestinian Authority Authority is the single recognised
00:09:06recognised representative of the the Palestinian people internationally.
00:09:09internationally. And so when we have have disagreements and there is plenty
00:09:12plenty to criticise about the Palestinian Palestinian Authority, those are
00:09:15are best dealt with through dialogue. dialogue. And that is precisely what
00:09:18what the UN General Assembly sets sets out to do. Before we let you
00:09:21you go, Jennifer, I want to ask you you then more broadly about the war
00:09:25war in Iran. We are seeing this delegation delegation coming to the UN as you
00:09:29you mentioned a moment ago. But right right now it appears to be still
00:09:32still at a stalemate. Absolutely.
00:09:34Absolutely. And not just at a stalemate, stalemate, but in parallel to it,
00:09:38it, of course, has been the escalation
00:09:41escalation between Saudi Arabia and and Yemen as well. That is further
00:09:44further complicating things. And And I you know, there is still no
00:09:48no no resolution to this conflict conflict that doesn't come through through negotiation. And yet we still
00:09:52still seem to be an awful long ways
00:09:54ways away with both parties continuing
00:09:56continuing to, I think, try to increase
00:09:58increase their negotiating leverage. leverage. And in the meantime, we're
00:10:02we're going to continue, I think, think, for a long while to see these
00:10:05these cycles of escalation continue. continue. OK. Should make for some some very interesting conversations,
00:10:09conversations, certainly at the UN UN in New York. Jennifer, thank you
00:10:11you as always for joining us. Thank
00:10:15Thank you. President Trump says the the US is working to set up a new
00:10:18new military base in Poland on Truth Truth Social. The President said
00:10:22said major progress is being made made towards establishing a US Army
00:10:25Army base in Poland. If. If this this happens, the location will be
00:10:29be announced very soon. This will will be an historic step for our
00:10:32our great US Polish alliance. This This is despite concerns in Europe
00:10:35Europe that an ongoing US review review could actually drastically
00:10:38drastically reduce troop levels on
00:10:40on the continent. And this was the
00:10:44the scene in Poland earlier Thursday. Thursday. Air raid sirens after a
00:10:47a Russian attack near its border border with Ukraine. Two Polish airports
00:10:51airports were temporarily closed. closed. No Russian aircraft crossed
00:10:54crossed the border, but Poland's Poland's Prime Minister warned Thursday
00:10:57Thursday that Russia will likely likely step up its aggression in in the coming months against Poland
00:11:01Poland and other nations supporting supporting Ukraine. Meanwhile, Nato
00:11:04Nato Secretary General said Russia's Russia's drone strikes near Poland
00:11:07Poland are evidence of Russia's desperation. desperation. Mark Rutte was in Brighton
00:11:10Brighton meeting the Prime Minister Minister and Defence Secretary for
00:11:12for the first time. Here's our political
00:11:17political editor, Chris Mason. Eastern
00:11:19Eastern Poland this morning, sirens
00:11:21sirens blaring Russia's war in Ukraine
00:11:25Ukraine sounds near drone strikes
00:11:26strikes over the border far too close
00:11:29close for comfort. Is this yet another another example of a dangerous escalation
00:11:33escalation in this war? It's clearly
00:11:35clearly an example of increasingly
00:11:38increasingly reckless behaviour by by Russia and its president, but
00:11:42but also evidence of him being increasingly
00:11:44increasingly desperate. Should Nato
00:11:46Nato intercept Russian drones that that are over Ukrainian territory
00:11:50territory if they are approaching approaching a Nato border? There
00:11:53There is a limit to what I can go go into in a public interview, but
00:11:56but I can assure you we do everything everything to make sure that Nato
00:11:59Nato stays safe. Nato territory stays stays safe, that we can defend every
00:12:03every sounds. Like that's happening happening again. I can never get
00:12:07get into those operational details. details. I was told afterwards drones
00:12:10drones were not at least yet intercepted
00:12:13intercepted by Nato while still over over Ukraine. How worried are you?
00:12:17you? How worried should we all be
00:12:19be that Russia will attack or invade
00:12:22invade a Nato country in the coming
00:12:24coming years? If you're willing to to sacrifice 1.2 million of your
00:12:28your own people in this crazy, unprovoked
00:12:30unprovoked fight, let's not be naive naive about what Putin could do,
00:12:34do, but we are stronger. I mean, mean, in. Other words, it could happen. happen. It could happen in the coming
00:12:38coming years. No, I don't think so. so. Because we are strong. So strong
00:12:41strong that he will not try. But But we have to make sure of is that
00:12:43that we are as strong in two, three, three, five years from now. You've
00:12:47You've been here meeting the Prime Prime Minister, the Defence Secretary,
00:12:51Secretary, the Foreign Secretary, Secretary, as you all know, the Chancellor, Chancellor, John Healey, the former
00:12:54former Defence Secretary, resigned resigned because he wasn't certain.
00:12:57certain. No, he didn't think the the previous government would get
00:13:00get to 3% of national income on defence
00:13:03defence by 2030, and said that was was essential. The new government
00:13:06government hasn't yet explicitly explicitly committed to that. In In the conversations you've just
00:13:10just come from, are you confident confident they're going to manage
00:13:12manage that? I'm totally confident confident about what this government
00:13:15government wants to do. That is to
00:13:18to reach the 3.5 and 2035. Also understanding understanding that cannot be that
00:13:21that you stick to one, 2.6, 2.7 now
00:13:23now and then in one go in 2034, you
00:13:26you would go to 3.5. So you've long long been a sceptic about. A credible
00:13:30credible path. Yeah. Sounds like like they've not managed to be specific
00:13:33specific and reassure you that that that 3% target by 2030 is actually
00:13:37actually going to be met. I'm absolutely absolutely confident that when it
00:13:40it comes to the 3.5 they are there. there. I'm absolutely confident that
00:13:43that when it comes to the yearly yearly increments, they totally take
00:13:46take it and accept it that they have have to be there. What exactly the
00:13:49the pathway will be we will see next next year in the spending review. review. Secretary General, thank
00:13:52thank you. Thank you very much. Now
00:13:56Now three days of voting are getting getting under way in Russia's parliamentary
00:14:00parliamentary election, the first first since Russia's full-scale invasion invasion of Ukraine. Critics dismiss
00:14:04dismiss the vote as neither free free nor transparent, but the Kremlin
00:14:07Kremlin is expected to use it to to claim the country is united behind
00:14:10behind the policies of President President Putin. Our Russia editor,
00:14:13editor, Steve Rosenberg reports from
00:14:15from Moscow. In Russia. Ultimate
00:14:20Ultimate power lies here in the Kremlin.
00:14:24Kremlin. But across the road there there is a parliament and it's election
00:14:27election time. So what is a parliamentary
00:14:30parliamentary election like now in
00:14:32in Putin's Russia? Different. At
00:14:37At this TV debate for candidates,
00:14:39candidates, the presenter came. The
00:14:43The candidates didn't. Come. And
00:14:47And this party political was more
00:14:49more X factor than exit poll. Mind
00:14:54Mind you in the last Parliament everyone everyone was singing from the same
00:14:57same hymn sheet. Putin altogether.
00:15:03altogether. Now Russia, Putin victory
00:15:06victory chants the Speaker of the the House. All MPs, all parties are
00:15:10are expected to back the President
00:15:12President and the war in Ukraine.
00:15:15Ukraine. There has been some campaigning campaigning and a bread and biscuit
00:15:19biscuit factory near Moscow. We caught
00:15:21caught up with the communists at
00:15:23at times, though, the ten parties parties allowed on the ballot are
00:15:27are hard to tell apart. None of them
00:15:29them criticised the Kremlin or the
00:15:32the war. As the Communist leader
00:15:35leader Gennady Zyuganov tells me, me, all parties in the last Duma
00:15:39Duma voted unanimously for 170 laws
00:15:43laws in support of the special military
00:15:45military operation. Russia's political political system is often referred
00:15:48referred to as managed democracy, democracy, where the Kremlin does
00:15:52does the managing and the Kremlin Kremlin is likely to use this election
00:15:55election to claim that despite problems problems in the country, Russians
00:15:59Russians are united behind their
00:16:01their president and behind the war
00:16:04war in Ukraine. Grigory Grishin belongs
00:16:07belongs to the one party that is
00:16:09is publicly calling for peace. Yabloko
00:16:13Yabloko for freedom. Peace for a
00:16:15a ceasefire, he says for a Russia
00:16:17Russia free from political repressions.
00:16:19repressions. Yabloko was on the ballot
00:16:22ballot until the Supreme Court removed
00:16:24removed it from the party list. Some
00:16:28Some of its candidates, including including Grigory, are still competing
00:16:32competing in individual constituencies. constituencies. But in the run up
00:16:35up to the election, many of these these candidates have had problems
00:16:39problems with the police and the
00:16:40the courts, and some have been barred.
00:16:44barred. Gregory was questioned by
00:16:45by police, but he's still in the
00:16:48the race. The police. Are carrying
00:16:50carrying out a political order. The
00:16:53The demand for an end to the bloodshed bloodshed in Ukraine is very popular.
00:16:57popular. I think most people in Russia Russia now want peace and Yabloko
00:17:01Yabloko helped people express this. this. That's why it's been excluded
00:17:04excluded from the party lists and
00:17:07and why individual candidates are
00:17:09are being barred. 50 miles from Moscow
00:17:13Moscow in Dmitrov, there's little little sign of an election, but there
00:17:16there are signs of the war. A new
00:17:19new memorial to people from the town town who've been killed fighting
00:17:23fighting in Ukraine. And the war
00:17:25war is front and centre of people's
00:17:28people's minds. Of course we feel feel it, says Olga, whose son in
00:17:32in law is fighting in Ukraine. But
00:17:34But elections can't affect what happens
00:17:37happens there. I'd like our country country to be peaceful, Paulina tells
00:17:41tells me, so we don't have to worry worry that drones will fall in front
00:17:45front of us. This election is unlikely
00:17:47unlikely to deliver that in Russia.
00:17:49Russia. It's the Kremlin that decides
00:17:51decides on war and peace. Steve Rosenberg,
00:17:55Rosenberg, BBC News, Moscow. Still
00:17:59Still to come on world news America America Canada's Prime Minister hails
00:18:02hails a prospective associate membership membership with the EU while rejecting
00:18:06rejecting US criticism of the alliance. alliance. That's after a short break
00:18:09break around the world and across across the UK.
00:19:11truth, trust and fake news on BBC
00:19:14BBC News. Welcome back to BBC News.
00:19:22News. Canadian Prime Minister Mark Mark Carney said Canada and Europe Europe are stronger together. In
00:19:26In an address to the European Parliament. Parliament. It comes one day after
00:19:30after European Commission President President Ursula von der Leyen announced announced plans to make Canada the
00:19:34the first associate member of the the European Union. Now welcoming
00:19:37welcoming the invitation, Mr Carney Carney said the EU and Canada would
00:19:40would create a beacon for other democracies. democracies. The majority of EU governments
00:19:43governments support closer ties with with Canada, but some are questioning
00:19:46questioning the practicality of associate associate member status. It could
00:19:49could take years for the bloc to to implement such a label. US President
00:19:52President Trump on Wednesday suggested suggested that the EU allowing Canada Canada to become an associate member
00:19:56member could be a hostile act towards towards the US., he said any bad
00:20:00bad intention would be met with, with, quote, very heavy tariffs on
00:20:03on European goods. Mr Carney said said on Thursday that no one other
00:20:06other than Canada can decide who who it strikes international agreements
00:20:09agreements with. Let's speak now now to Stephane Dion, a diplomat
00:20:12diplomat in residence at the University University of Montreal, former special
00:20:15special envoy to Europe and ambassador ambassador to Germany and France.
00:20:19France. Ambassador, it's very good good to have you with us on the programme. programme. And I want to ask you
00:20:22you about what we heard from Prime Prime Minister Carney. He said that
00:20:25that closer ties with the EU would would ensure that no country could
00:20:28could control Canada's markets or or undermine its sovereignty. Do
00:20:31Do you agree with that? Yes, it's
00:20:34it's certainly the goal in Canada Canada to have a normal relationship
00:20:38relationship with the US., something something we don't have since a couple couple of years because of President
00:20:42President Trump. And to be open to to the world as a trading nation,
00:20:45nation, as a country that has a big big role to play in the world. And
00:20:48And that means that we are much closer
00:20:51closer with the EU, with Europe. Europe. The EU is the second biggest
00:20:55biggest economy of the world. We We are very close to them. We have have a strong partnership with them
00:20:59them and we want that to be stronger
00:21:01stronger than ever. I spoke to a
00:21:03a Conservative MP from Canada yesterday yesterday who said he doesn't want
00:21:07want to see Canada trading one difficult difficult relationship with another,
00:21:11another, the EU being bureaucratic bureaucratic and perhaps adding new new complications for Canada. What
00:21:15What do you think of that? Well,
00:21:18Well, it's because I think from the
00:21:22the lion, president, from the Alliance,
00:21:23Alliance, she used the expression
00:21:26expression associate member and the
00:21:28the word member looks like if Canada
00:21:30Canada was now the 28th country of
00:21:34of the EU and there is no appetite
00:21:36appetite in Canada to transfer part
00:21:39part of our sovereignty to Brussels,
00:21:42Brussels, and there is no interest
00:21:43interest in Europe to give to a country
00:21:46country a full membership without without the obligations that come
00:21:49come with it. Regarding a financial
00:21:54financial contribution or alignment alignment of regulations and so on.
00:21:56on. So it's not what we are talking
00:21:58talking about. I think this expression
00:22:01expression associate member created created this confusion. The expression
00:22:04expression the Prime Minister is
00:22:05is using is more to have a strongest
00:22:10strongest alliance, a unique alliance, alliance, the country with which
00:22:13which the EU will have the strongest
00:22:16strongest alliance outside Europe Europe will be Canada. That's the
00:22:18the goal. What do you think of President President Trump's response to all
00:22:21all of this, threatening more tariffs
00:22:23tariffs on the EU and saying that that anything that is a closer alliance
00:22:27alliance against the US would be be considered a hostile act? Well,
00:22:30Well, it's only in the mind of Donald
00:22:32Donald Trump. It doesn't make sense.
00:22:35sense. Canada is a trading nation.
00:22:37nation. We need to be in strong connection connection with the world. And in
00:22:41in doing so, we are a better partner
00:22:42partner for the US that if we were
00:22:45were isolated. So only him may think
00:22:46think this way and we will not be be intimidated by Donald Trump. We
00:22:50We have shown that the more he's he's speaking this way, the more
00:22:53more Canadians are resolute to have have an interdependent policy. When
00:22:57When Donald Trump is negotiating negotiating with the UK, with the
00:23:00the EU, with China, with India, it
00:23:03it doesn't fold. Ottawa to have the
00:23:06the OK of Ottawa as if we had a veto
00:23:09veto on this policy. So it will be be the same for us. Canada is a free
00:23:13free country. We need to strengthen strengthen our relationship relationship
00:23:16relationship with the EU for the
00:23:18the long haul. Even when Donald Trump
00:23:21Trump will not be there any more. more. And that will have hopefully
00:23:23hopefully a normal president in the the White House. Canada will have
00:23:26have an interest in not of its eggs
00:23:30eggs in the same basket and to have have strong relationship with the
00:23:33the UK, with the EU, with Asia, with
00:23:35with Latin America and so on. OK.
00:23:39OK. Stephane Dion, former special special envoy to Europe and ambassador
00:23:42ambassador to Germany and France, France, thank you so much for joining
00:23:45joining us on the programme today. today. Well, it's my pleasure. Thank
00:23:48Thank you so much. Let's turn now
00:23:51now to the UK., where King Charles Charles is warning tech leaders about
00:23:55about the existential dangers of of artificial intelligence. The monarch
00:23:58monarch called for more oversight oversight on AI, saying that it could
00:24:01could develop a darker capabilities. capabilities. He made those comments comments on Thursday during a summit
00:24:04summit in Scotland to address mounting mounting security concerns posed
00:24:08posed by the technology and tech
00:24:09tech giants, including Nvidia, DeepMind,
00:24:12DeepMind, OpenAI and Anthropic were were together for the first time
00:24:15time since industry leaders called called for a co-ordinated slowdown
00:24:18slowdown in AI development. Our correspondent
00:24:19correspondent Shiona McCallum has
00:24:23has more. Not just another royal
00:24:25royal engagement for the King he he was hosting Jensen Huang, the
00:24:29the boss of one of the world's most
00:24:31most valuable companies, Nvidia and
00:24:33and Sir Demis Hassabis, the co-founder co-founder of Google DeepMind, along
00:24:36along with some of the world's most
00:24:38most influential voices on AI. And And as soon as pleasantries were
00:24:42were over, it was a stark warning.
00:24:44warning. There seems urgency in adequately
00:24:48adequately considering the existential
00:24:49existential dangers of such technologies technologies falling into the wrong
00:24:53wrong hands. The King addressed an
00:24:56an audience that included Tino Cuellar Cuellar from Anthropic, Sarah Friar
00:24:59Friar from OpenAI and Professor Chu
00:25:02Chu Lang from Shanghai University University in China. A Chinese presence
00:25:05presence in the room is significant, significant, too, with President
00:25:09President Trump framing AI as a race. race. America must win. The summit
00:25:12summit has been in the royal diary diary for six months, but the timing
00:25:16timing of it has become part of the
00:25:18the story. Last week, a former Anthropic Anthropic researcher said some of
00:25:22of the people building AI believe believe that it could kill us all
00:25:25all by the end of the decade. The
00:25:27The King has asked you here to give give reassurances that this technology
00:25:31technology won't harm humanity. Can
00:25:32Can you give those reassurances?
00:25:36reassurances? It is the responsibility responsibility of the AI companies
00:25:40companies ourselves to develop the the technology safely and to properly
00:25:44properly test it. As we move from
00:25:46from labs to product development. development. The companies have to
00:25:50to become much more rigorous in testing.
00:25:53testing. But other chief execs are
00:25:54are less optimistic. I think that
00:25:57that if we all create AI's that are
00:26:00are able to act autonomously, that
00:26:01that can define their own objectives,
00:26:04objectives, that can earn money, money, that can own assets, that
00:26:08that could run businesses. We're
00:26:10We're essentially ceding a new silicon silicon species, which will no doubt
00:26:14doubt compete with us for resources, resources, no matter how much it
00:26:18it cares about humanity and loves loves us. Warnings like that mean
00:26:21mean governments are under pressure pressure to act. The main thing I
00:26:24I want to assure everyone listening listening and watching this is that that the British government has been
00:26:28been focused on it. We have some some of the best capability in testing,
00:26:32testing, understanding risks and and mitigating them. We have to take take it seriously. That's exactly
00:26:35exactly what we're doing. This debate debate is not only about safety and
00:26:39and jobs. The data centres powering
00:26:42powering AI require enormous amounts amounts of electricity and water,
00:26:45water, placing the tech's environmental environmental issues at the heart
00:26:48heart of a cause. The King has championed
00:26:52championed for decades the King cannot cannot regulate artificial intelligence,
00:26:55intelligence, but what he can do do is use his convening power to
00:26:59to get these rivals round the table. table. The question is now will there
00:27:03there be anything concrete produced produced from these private discussions
00:27:06discussions here at Dumfries House?
00:27:09House? This technology appears to to be advancing far faster than diplomacy
00:27:13diplomacy is right now. But to gain gain public trust in AI, it will
00:27:16will need something more than conversation.
00:27:19conversation. Shiona McCallum BBC
00:27:21BBC News Dumfries House. OK, still
00:27:24still to come on world news America.
00:27:26America. AI regulation is also dominating
00:27:28dominating discussion here in Washington Washington as lawmakers on both sides
00:27:32sides of the aisle express concern concern over AI safety. We'll be
00:27:34be talking about that with our politics politics panel. Plus, the European
00:27:38European Union outlines plans to to ban social media for children
00:27:41children under the age of 13. We'll We'll be hearing from an expert on
00:27:44on that and just what that regulation regulation could mean for those big
00:27:47big social media companies. Stay Stay tuned here on World News America.
00:27:50America. We're back in just a few
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00:32:22Welcome back to World News America. Now, warnings by tech leaders
00:32:25leaders about the potential harm harm of artificial intelligence are
00:32:28are fuelling debate among US lawmakers lawmakers over how to regulate the
00:32:31the technology. President Trump rejected rejected calls for greater oversight
00:32:35oversight of AI and is backed by by some Republican members of Congress.
00:32:38Congress. But other Republican representatives, representatives, including Senator
00:32:41Senator John Kennedy, have joined joined Democrats in calling for urgent
00:32:44urgent safety measures like an AI
00:32:46AI kill switch. Well, Democratic Democratic Congressman Don Beyer Beyer co-chairs the congressional
00:32:50congressional AI caucus, and he gave gave us his take on the US president's
00:32:54president's claim that America risks risks losing its AI lead to China.
00:32:57China. I totally disagree with that. that. We you know, if the race with
00:33:01with China is a race to see who loses loses control first, that's not a
00:33:04a race that we want to win. We also also recognise that China actually
00:33:08actually has many more checks and and balances on its AI than we do.
00:33:11do. You know, they're a dictatorship.
00:33:13dictatorship. They're a fragile tyranny. tyranny. So the Chinese Communist
00:33:17Communist Party can't afford to lose lose control. We're a democracy.
00:33:20democracy. So we're sort of a mess
00:33:22mess all the time. So the race with
00:33:25with China, by the way, what that that does suggest is that when President
00:33:28President Trump meets with Mr XI,
00:33:31XI, that AI needs to be one of their their very first topics. This is
00:33:34is something ultimately that requires, requires, you know, the AI equivalent
00:33:38equivalent of a Geneva Convention. Convention. OK, let's discuss that that with my politics panel here
00:33:42here tonight. With me to my right right is Doug Farrar, former director
00:33:46director of public affairs at the the Federal Trade Commission. And
00:33:48And to my left, a Democratic strategist. strategist. Excuse me, Democratic
00:33:51Democratic strategist Doug Farrar Farrar and Sarah Chamberlain, president
00:33:54president and CEO of the Republican Republican Main Street Partnership.
00:33:57Partnership. Great to have you both both with us. And Doug, I'll start start with you. What did you make
00:34:01make of what Don Beyer said there, there, the congressman saying, well,
00:34:04well, if we're in a race with China China to see who loses control first,
00:34:07first, that's not a race we want want to be in. I think that's a smart
00:34:09smart way of framing it in some respects, respects, because China is often
00:34:12often used as the big bad wolf, right? right? The reason why we need to
00:34:15to go breakneck and we can't slow slow down. I think we all just need
00:34:18need to take a step back. And I'm I'm glad to see Congressman Beyer
00:34:21Beyer get engaged. AI isn't just
00:34:24just about you know the Hugging Face Face hack. AI isn't just about these
00:34:27these very high tech uses like vibe vibe coding. We have AI in schools.
00:34:31schools. We have AI in hospitals
00:34:34hospitals and in hospitals in particular. particular. They're driving up costs,
00:34:38costs, reducing coverage and making making people unhappy. And the people
00:34:40people getting rich off of that are are the AI companies. We have what
00:34:43what is basically a defective and
00:34:45and dangerous product, and it needs needs to be regulated using both
00:34:48both Congress, but also law and order order from the Trump administration administration and the enforcers.
00:34:52enforcers. Why not have the companies companies do that themselves? I mean,
00:34:55mean, how many times are they going going to self-regulate before we
00:34:58we realise that's not really a solution? solution? I mean, think about web
00:35:01web 2.0. You know, we have a long long history in this country of regulating
00:35:05regulating products that are either either really high capital expenditure
00:35:08expenditure and dangerous, like nuclear nuclear or aeroplanes or cars. We
00:35:11We should do that. We don't rely rely on car companies to self-regulate. self-regulate. We shouldn't rely
00:35:14rely on AI companies. It's not an an exceptional thing. It's a product.
00:35:17product. And if it's defective, they they should be sued. What do you you think, Sarah? I actually agree
00:35:21agree with that. And one of the members members of the Republican Main Street
00:35:25Street Partnership actually happens happens to be the co-chair of the
00:35:28the AI Jay Obernolte from California. California. And he's like, we need
00:35:31need to get our hands around this. this. We need to educate the House
00:35:34House members and Senate members members to try to do something to
00:35:37to rein this in. I think educating educating is a key term there because
00:35:41because there's a lot of scepticism scepticism besides those two members
00:35:44members that Congress really knows knows enough about this technology technology to be able to regulate
00:35:48regulate it effectively. What do do you think knows enough about it?
00:35:50it? Up until six months ago, some some of the members were calling
00:35:54calling for a one. So it's like, like, OK, this is a problem. So yes,
00:35:57yes, they have to be educated so so then they can do something to
00:36:00to rein it in and put some guardrails guardrails around it. But at the
00:36:03the end of the day, if President President Trump doesn't want regulation regulation from Congress, he's not
00:36:07not going to allow his Republican Republican members to move that forward,
00:36:09forward, will he? We'll see what what happens after the election. election. I think the election could
00:36:13could change a lot of things in Washington. Washington. Is it smart then, Doug,
00:36:16Doug, do you think, for Democrats Democrats to take the position of
00:36:20of being the ones to really raise raise the alarm bells here? Because
00:36:23Because at the same time, AI represents represents really important progress
00:36:27progress for the country and a competitive competitive edge, as President Trump Trump has said against China. I absolutely
00:36:31absolutely think it's wise politics. politics. Look, there are very few few things in this country that voters
00:36:35voters agree on being opposed to.
00:36:37to. AI is overwhelmingly bipartisan. bipartisan. And you hear people from
00:36:41from Barack Obama to Lina Khan to to others encouraging Democrats to
00:36:44to seize the moment. The question question is what are they going to
00:36:47to do? Yeah, that is indeed the question question I would ask. Do you think
00:36:51think that. I'll ask both of you. you. Do you think anything will realistically
00:36:54realistically get done in the coming coming months? I mean, if there was
00:36:58was one major incident where some
00:37:00some huge catastrophe occurred potentially, potentially, but with Trump right
00:37:03right now, it doesn't seem like he's he's really interested in it. And And the Republican Party is not going
00:37:07going to buck him on that. We have have to see if Democrats, if they
00:37:10they seize either one or both houses houses of Congress, can force some
00:37:14some legislation through and really really take this seriously. I agree
00:37:17agree with you without. A huge incident, incident, I don't see anything going
00:37:20going on until next year when Congress
00:37:23Congress reconvenes and we see who's who's in control. We'll have to put put a pin in that discussion and
00:37:27and bring you both back when that that happens. But there's another
00:37:29another topic I want to ask you both
00:37:31both about, which is a Republican Republican congresswoman Maria Elvira Elvira Salazar of Florida. She posted
00:37:35posted an interesting clip on social social media. Let's take a look at
00:37:38at it. Mr president, some of your your immigration enforcement efforts
00:37:42efforts have gone too far. In July,
00:37:45July, 50% of the 5000 people that that were detained had no criminal
00:37:48criminal record. Be careful what what your advisers are telling you you about immigration policies. The
00:37:52The same Hispanics who help you get
00:37:53get to the White House in 2024 feel
00:37:56feel betrayed today. You can be for for immigration, but Lincoln was
00:37:59was for slavery and Reagan was for for communism. I'm not talking about
00:38:02about giving them amnesty. I'm talking talking about giving them a dignified
00:38:06dignified life in this promised land.
00:38:07land. And only you can do that. Sir,
00:38:11Sir, that's a pretty big risk for for a sitting Republican congresswoman
00:38:15congresswoman to say, President Trump, Trump, you're getting this wrong. wrong. Are you surprised she did
00:38:19did this? Absolutely not. So she's she's a member of Main Street. I've I've had a lot of interaction with
00:38:22with her, know her very well. She She has been saying this for the
00:38:25the past two years. I mean, every
00:38:27every time she's in at at our headquarters, headquarters, she's talking to the
00:38:31the other members about it. Any White White House staff that comes in,
00:38:34in, any cabinet officials that come
00:38:36come in, she is driving this home.
00:38:38home. 70% of her district is Latino Latino and she's representing her
00:38:41her district. So that's why she did did it. And a lot of people agree
00:38:45agree with her, but that puts her. her. Directly at odds with members
00:38:47members of President Trump's administration administration like Stephen Miller,
00:38:50Miller, like some of the hardliners hardliners who say we have to go
00:38:53go after as many or have as many many arrests as possible. Well, she.
00:38:57she. Had the conversation directly directly with Stephen Miller. So
00:39:00So this is not a surprise to anyone anyone in the White House that she she did this. What do you think,
00:39:04think, Doug? Well, it's a surprise surprise to her voters. I mean, she she may be saying this behind the
00:39:07the scenes. I'm not invited to these these meetings, but she's voted three
00:39:11three times to fund Ice. She voted voted $170 billion in the triple
00:39:15triple B. That's beds. That's training
00:39:18training that's hiring. She voted voted $70 billion in reconciliation.
00:39:22reconciliation. And she voted to to unlock that money. When there
00:39:25there was a government shutdown. shutdown. And so look the votes speak
00:39:28speak for themselves. You know she she has not done one single thing
00:39:31thing in Congress to slow down Ice Ice or change any of this. And so
00:39:35so I think that this. Is what political political opportunism or. Absolutely
00:39:38Absolutely she that district was was won by President Trump by 21
00:39:4121 votes. I think she's up by one one point maybe. And that's because
00:39:44because of the policies of the President President that she has voted to support
00:39:47support and the money she has voted voted to give to Ice. So. Well, she's
00:39:51she's not the only one. Sara, I want want to ask you about some of the the polling that we've seen the New
00:39:55New York Times Siena poll from earlier earlier this week showed that 52%
00:39:5752% of people trusted Democrats over
00:40:00over Republicans on immigration. immigration. There was another AP
00:40:03AP NORC poll from a month ago. Only
00:40:06Only 39% of US adults approving of of his performance. The President's President's performance on immigration.
00:40:09immigration. You would think that that that would be raising some alarm alarm bells in the White House. Oh,
00:40:13Oh, it absolutely is. I mean, there's there's no doubt within the Republican
00:40:16Republican Party, the House and Senate
00:40:18Senate and the White House. The President
00:40:21President sticks to his guns with with Stephen Miller. And this is is what the President feels. But
00:40:25But a lot of the people felt that that they voted for the President
00:40:28President to shut down the border, border, which was a huge problem.
00:40:31problem. Obviously, when President President Biden was there, people people were just running across.
00:40:34across. We've shut that down and
00:40:37and let's get the criminals out of
00:40:39of the country. But going around around arresting, you know, women
00:40:42women dropping their kids off at at schools, that's becoming a little little too far. And that's what the
00:40:46the polling is showing. But why do do you think then President Trump
00:40:49Trump is not heeding that advice advice on the polling? Because he's he's getting these numbers as well.
00:40:52well. He is. But I think he actually actually agrees with Stephen Miller.
00:40:54Miller. I think that's. The situation situation we're in right now. What
00:40:57What do you think, Doug? It's not not clear he's getting good information. information. There's been coverage
00:41:00coverage of some of his aides, including including Natalie Harp, who the human human printer who's just handing
00:41:04handing him good news after time time after time. Look, immigration
00:41:08immigration has been central to his his entire pitch. This whole political
00:41:11political career. And he made it it unpopular because he created a
00:41:15a sense that a bunch of jackbooted jackbooted thugs are going around around arresting people willy-nilly.
00:41:19willy-nilly. Americans are getting getting shot in the streets, you you know, people driving their cars.
00:41:23cars. It's not a good look. And he he turned a Republican issue into
00:41:26into a Democratic issue in a way way that's completely unexpected.
00:41:29unexpected. But at the same time, time, voters were very unhappy with
00:41:32with the Biden administration's policies policies on immigration that saw
00:41:36saw as we saw as we heard from Sarah, Sarah, record numbers of people crossing
00:41:39crossing the southern border. So
00:41:41So how do Democrats kind of address
00:41:44address immigration for the mid-terms. mid-terms. I think right now for for the mid-terms, the conversation conversation is just about Trump's
00:41:48Trump's policies. You're absolutely absolutely right. But look, President President Obama deported a large
00:41:52large number of people. He made sure
00:41:54sure that he was covered on immigration immigration more so than President
00:41:57President Biden was able to. The The key now is to focus for Democrats
00:42:00Democrats on what people see from
00:42:02from Ice, which is arrests. Some
00:42:05Some sketchy like shooting of Americans Americans and things that are really
00:42:09really disturbing because that's that's the policy of the President President and that's what Democrats Democrats need to stand against.
00:42:13against. OK. Really interesting conversation, conversation, Doug and Sarah, thank thank you both so much for coming
00:42:16coming in tonight. Thanks for having having us. So still to come on world
00:42:20world news America, EU officials officials announced plans to restrict
00:42:22restrict social media access for for children under 15, but critics
00:42:26critics question how enforceable enforceable and effective those measures measures will be. More on that coming
00:42:29coming up. Around the world and across
00:42:31across the
00:43:34truth, trust and fake news on BBC
00:43:37BBC News. You're watching BBC News.
00:43:44News. The European Union outlined outlined plans to ban social media
00:43:47media for children under the age age of 13. That follows similar bans
00:43:50bans in countries like the UK and and Australia for children under
00:43:53under 16. Now, under the EU proposals, proposals, older children between
00:43:57between 13 and 15 years of age will will be allowed quote, limited use
00:44:00use of the technology but only under under supervision. The restrictions restrictions are being implemented
00:44:04implemented with the aim of addressing addressing concerns over the harmful
00:44:07harmful effects on children's mental mental health and increasing their
00:44:11their well-being. Our Europe correspondent correspondent Nick Beake has this this from Brussels.
00:44:19Brussels. The European Commission, which proposes legislation legislation for the whole of the the EU, says that there has to be
00:44:23be a complete change of emphasis emphasis here that in the future future big tech companies prove that
00:44:26that their products are safe for for children. Now officials have
00:44:30have been looking at the ban that that Australia brought in at the
00:44:33the end of last year for under 16
00:44:3516 seconds. They're using social social media and the European officials
00:44:39officials believe that there needs needs to be a more gradual approach
00:44:42approach in the continent here. They're They're saying that under 13 seconds
00:44:45seconds should not have access to to social media. Then when a child
00:44:48child reaches the age of 13 and when when they're 14, they should have
00:44:52have some limited access to certain
00:44:55certain platforms with parental supervision. supervision. And for only an hour
00:44:59hour a day. So parents will have have to play their part in this,
00:45:03this, not just social media apps
00:45:05apps though also video sharing platforms
00:45:07platforms are included. Online gaming
00:45:11gaming and AI companions. How will will this work in practice? Well,
00:45:14Well, some people are talking about
00:45:16about privacy concerns because there there is talk of age restrictions
00:45:20restrictions coming in. So people people having to prove that they're
00:45:23they're old enough to use these particular particular services. And it's worth
00:45:27worth pointing out that just last last month in France, after the government
00:45:30government there had come up with
00:45:32with its own ideas for making children
00:45:35children safer online, the top court court in France said that there were
00:45:39were concerns about restrictions restrictions on freedom of expression. expression. So that's just one indication
00:45:43indication of how there could be be obstacles in the months to come.
00:45:47come. But certainly the European
00:45:48European Union says this is putting
00:45:51putting children at the heart of of what they're doing and also giving
00:45:54giving the power back to parents parents so that in the future they
00:45:57they can feel confident that their their children are safe as they try
00:46:01try and navigate the digital world. world. That was Nick Beake reporting
00:46:05reporting from Brussels. Now Louise Louise Heeran Flynn is former member
00:46:08member of the EU Special Panel on on Child Safety Online. Currently Currently assistant Professor in
00:46:12in Teaching Education at Trinity Trinity College Dublin. She gave
00:46:15gave me her thoughts on how the social social media ban could actually work
00:46:18work in the EU. I think potentially potentially this EU Kids Act has
00:46:22has the potential to be the most most significant piece of legislation
00:46:25legislation that has come out of of Europe and indeed the world to
00:46:28to protect our children online. And And I think one of the key points
00:46:32points for me is our starting point. point. I mean, I think we're all
00:46:35all on the same page worldwide in
00:46:37in terms of protecting children.
00:46:39children. But as far back as Ursula
00:46:43Ursula March 2025 state of the Union Union address, she announced that
00:46:45that she was going to bring a group group of experts together. And that
00:46:49that is indeed what she did. And And it was a multidisciplinary team.
00:46:52team. But also, I think what is crucial crucial is that around that table,
00:46:56table, we had many experts. We had had parents, parents associations,
00:47:00associations, and we had young people. people. So it's really important
00:47:03important that we have the voices voices of young people and children children included in this. And their
00:47:07their voices were very loud and clear.
00:47:08clear. And they said, look, we love
00:47:11love our online space. This is how how we communicate and make friends
00:47:14friends and communicate with our our friends. But please regulate
00:47:17regulate so that it keeps us safe.
00:47:19safe. So for me, I think it's been
00:47:21been really useful and comforting comforting to know that our work
00:47:25work is based on evidence gathering
00:47:28gathering for the last year and the the voices of all of those stakeholders.
00:47:32stakeholders. But also I think we we had the hindsight, we took the
00:47:35the key learnings on board also from
00:47:37from other jurisdictions, best practices, practices, things that had worked, worked, things that hadn't. And we
00:47:41we certainly saw, I think, the need need for to understand they're two
00:47:45two sides of the coin that it is is not just and cannot just be about
00:47:49about a standalone measure of age
00:47:52age based restriction. It has to to be more than that. It has to regulate.
00:47:56regulate. So Louise, can I ask you you because the platforms here say
00:47:59say that a ban is not the way to
00:48:02to do this, that it is better to
00:48:03to help parents navigate their children's
00:48:06children's their accounts and also also that children can simply get
00:48:10get around bans and they already already do that. So what's the response
00:48:12response to that? Yeah, absolutely. absolutely. And I take the point.
00:48:15point. I think what's really important important for me to clarify what
00:48:18what we are talking about with the the EU Kids Act, this is considerably
00:48:22considerably different to what has has gone before. And we have seen
00:48:25seen and we know the learnings and
00:48:27and we're using those in the sense
00:48:30sense that a standalone age based
00:48:33based restriction is not enough, enough, prohibition is not enough. enough. And we do know from early
00:48:37early evidence in other jurisdictions jurisdictions and by early evidence
00:48:39evidence in their defence, it's three three months in to the study when
00:48:43when that was the evidence was accumulated.
00:48:47accumulated. It is showing that children children have the ability to circumvent
00:48:50circumvent and we're very aware of
00:48:51of that. So I think what became very
00:48:55very prevalent in our thinking was was that ultimately it cannot be
00:48:58be about the standalone ban. It has
00:48:59has to be about heavily focus on
00:49:02on the regulation of those platforms
00:49:04platforms and the designs and the
00:49:07the removal of those addictive design
00:49:11design measures, as well as a tailored, tailored, gradual approach. An introduction
00:49:14introduction to social media. But But I completely agree. This for
00:49:18for me is about empowering parents
00:49:21parents and empowering children and and our young people. Absolutely.
00:49:25Absolutely. Because ultimately this this is about putting parents back back into the driving seat because
00:49:29because it is it should not be down down to large platforms to determine
00:49:33determine when they access children. children. That is a decision for
00:49:35for parents. So it is very much what what I think we're looking at is
00:49:39is a whole systems approach, which which is not just about prohibition.
00:49:42prohibition. So can I ask you the the social media companies would
00:49:46would need to prove that their designs
00:49:48designs indeed are safe. How do you you measure that? Because it does
00:49:51does feel subjective in a way. Right?
00:49:54Right? Yeah, absolutely. And I think
00:49:56think that is one of the what I would
00:49:58would like to say. One of the advantages advantages in relation to this EU
00:50:02EU kids act that we are looking at
00:50:04at very heavy enforcement and we we know from enforcement and what
00:50:08what we have seen thus far in relation relation to this act that it is wonderful
00:50:12wonderful to say that that burden burden of proof has been put back
00:50:15back onto the tech companies. I think think for too long it's been on parents
00:50:18parents and teachers and so on, so
00:50:20so that there has been absolutely absolutely reversal of that burden
00:50:23burden of proof back to tech companies, companies, companies. And in that
00:50:26that sense, we're talking about very very large online companies now will
00:50:30will now have to prove that they're
00:50:32they're safe by design, and that that will include compliance plans.
00:50:36plans. They will have to prove that that they're safe by design rather
00:50:40rather than a regulator proving that that they're not. And we do. We have
00:50:43have seen that again, they're talking talking about expedited investigations
00:50:47investigations that will be completed
00:50:48completed within 90 days. Now to
00:50:52to South Africa, where police confirmed confirmed the discovery of a ninth
00:50:56ninth woman's body near the city city of Johannesburg in the last last two months. The latest victim
00:51:00victim was found at the side of a a road in Dawn Park on Thursday.
00:51:03Thursday. Police say they're trying trying to identify any connections
00:51:06connections between the deaths. Most Most of the bodies have been found found either partially or fully naked.
00:51:10naked. South Africa has one of the the highest rates of femicide in
00:51:14in the world. Our South Africa correspondent
00:51:16correspondent Nomsa Maseko sent this this report from Johannesburg. The
00:51:19The woman whose body was found here
00:51:21here earlier is believed to be in
00:51:23in her 30s. She was found partially partially naked with her throat cut.
00:51:27cut. Police believe she was murdered murdered elsewhere and that her body
00:51:31body was deliberately dumped here here near a residential area so that
00:51:35that her body could be found. The The recent spate of killings has
00:51:38has sparked public outrage and fear, fear, raising new questions about
00:51:42about the scale of gender based violence
00:51:44violence in South Africa. Yo. I'm
00:51:46I'm scared. I'm angry. I'm upset.
00:51:48upset. I'm. I'm nervous. I am everything.
00:51:51everything. I'm shattered. This is
00:51:54is bad in the a country where there
00:51:58there is democracy. But we experience experience we are faced with this
00:52:01this challenge of murdering women. women. We are parents. We are young.
00:52:05young. We. We like. We are even scared
00:52:08scared now to come out of your house. house. You are scared to go to the
00:52:11the shop. You are scared to go anywhere. anywhere. We are no longer free in in the country. We're supposed to
00:52:15to be free and to be safe. As women. women. There's widespread speculation
00:52:18speculation that the recent murders murders have been committed by a
00:52:21a serial killer, but police have
00:52:23have not confirmed this yet. The
00:52:25The acting police commissioner has has said investigators are following
00:52:29following up on all possible leads.
00:52:31leads. It's still very early to make
00:52:34make any conclusions about this body
00:52:36body that has been found here. However,
00:52:38However, because we are having currently currently a multidisciplinary team
00:52:42team that was assembled already on on Sunday when the acting provincial
00:52:45provincial commissioner made a call,
00:52:47call, it was also joined by the National
00:52:51National Forensic, a investigative investigative psychology unit, so
00:52:53so that they can assist with the
00:52:55the profiling of the victims as well
00:52:58well to look at the similarities
00:53:00similarities and if there is any, any, a connection that can be made
00:53:04made on all the bodies. Women have have been urged not to walk or run
00:53:08run alone and avoid secluded spaces.
00:53:11spaces. Officials have said the warnings warnings are not about restricting
00:53:13restricting the freedom of women
00:53:16women to move, exercise or live their their lives, but that it's all about
00:53:19about taking reasonable precautions.
00:53:21precautions. While police continue continue with their investigations.
00:53:24investigations. Nomsa Maseko. BBC
00:53:27BBC News Johannesburg. Here in the
00:53:30the US., the state of Pennsylvania Pennsylvania is requesting emergency
00:53:33emergency support from the centres centres for Disease Control after
00:53:36after the fourth measles associated associated death in the state. The
00:53:39The Democratic governor, Josh Shapiro,
00:53:40Shapiro, says Pennsylvania has recorded
00:53:43recorded 693 measles cases in a majority majority of its counties. The disease
00:53:47disease had been eliminated in the the US decades earlier, but a wave
00:53:50wave of vaccine scepticism has seen seen the disease return across the
00:53:54the country, and the top health official, official, Robert F Kennedy Jr, has
00:53:57has repeatedly peddled falsehoods falsehoods about vaccine safety. safety. Just a few hours ago, he
00:54:01he repeated vaccine misinformation misinformation misinformation at at a conference for an anti-vaccine
00:54:05anti-vaccine group that he founded. founded. Governor Shapiro slammed
00:54:08slammed that appearance, posting posting on social media in the midst midst of the largest and deadliest
00:54:12deadliest measles outbreak in America America in 35 years, RFK Jr chose
00:54:15chose to spend his time today addressing
00:54:18addressing the premier vaccine denial denial conference in America. He He added that he pushed a narrative
00:54:22narrative that continues to stoke
00:54:25stoke fear and mistrust. Let's take take a look now at some other stories
00:54:29stories from across the globe. Climate Climate change was a core factor factor in last month's deadly glacial
00:54:33glacial mountain collapse on the the China-nepal border. That's a
00:54:36a new finding from a global group group of environmental scientists.
00:54:39scientists. 1400 people were killed. killed. At least 6000 people are
00:54:43are still missing. Huge amounts of of water, ice and debris smashed
00:54:46smashed through buildings after a a massive section of rock and glacier
00:54:49glacier broke away from the mountain. mountain. According to the report
00:54:52report from World Weather Attribution, Attribution, the glacier collapse collapse was caused by a compound
00:54:56compound crisis shaped by long-term long-term warming. New numbers show
00:54:59show the numbers of migrants and and refugees trying to reach Europe
00:55:02Europe by sea have dropped dramatically, dramatically, yet there have been
00:55:05been more deaths. 60,000 people have have so far tried to make the journey
00:55:09journey this year, down 39% on the
00:55:11the same period last year. Around
00:55:14Around 2300 have died, up from last last year's figure of just under
00:55:17under 2000. The head of the UN's UN's migration agency said this meant
00:55:20meant people were risking increasingly
00:55:23increasingly dangerous journeys. journeys. Finally, a scientists have
00:55:27have confirmed the discovery of the the first new cat species to be identified
00:55:31identified in more than a century.
00:55:33century. Now the wildcat, known by by its local name Tilcayo, inhabits
00:55:36inhabits the cloud forests of Bolivia. Bolivia. It's part of a group known
00:55:40known as Tiger Cats. And it took took genetic tests to confirm it
00:55:44it as a distinct species. Leopardus Leopardus Tilcayo is a little smaller
00:55:48smaller than the average cat and and has a light brown fur with irregular
00:55:51irregular dark patches. That is our our programme at this hour. Thank
00:55:55Thank you so much for watching World
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01:00:13BBC News. Possible war crimes by by the US that is the verdict of
01:00:16of a United Nations panel investigating investigating two deadly strikes
01:00:19strikes in Iran from February. The The US rejects the report. President
01:00:22President Trump says the US is making making major progress towards opening
01:00:26opening its first permanent army army base in Poland, calling it an
01:00:29an historic step for both countries countries and King Charles urges
01:00:32urges leading tech bosses developing developing AI to protect humanity
01:00:35humanity as he warns of existential
01:00:38existential dangers. Those who have
01:00:42have created these technologies are are now increasingly warning that
01:00:46that AI risks developing darker capacities.
01:00:49capacities. Perhaps even to take
01:00:52take life.