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00:00:00last few days actually now hearing him sit down and say it and talking
00:00:03great detail
00:00:05of about those really difficult days
00:00:07of in the time after the death of Diana between her death and the
00:00:11funeral, the complex relationships at play, he
00:00:14was as we have read directly critical
00:00:18of of the king and some
00:00:19of the things he says the king did and the way he behaved, so
00:00:22hearing that so directly for him from him was interesting,
00:00:26he was calm, he was cool in his recollections, he seemed very...
00:00:30considered in what he had to say, um, you did occasionally
00:00:33say, this is how I remember it, these are my recollections, I can't tell
00:00:37you whether this is true or not, but this is what I
00:00:41remember, and it was very compelling to hear him, he
00:00:44spoke about the reaction from the palace, um, as Laura
00:00:48said,
00:00:48you know, been denied, and he pushed back, he said, well actually it hadn't been denied, they've kind of
00:00:52fudged it, they he referred to this kind of recollections may vary
00:00:56phrase that we're now using, um, what's your interpreting? of
00:01:00how the palace has responded and whether it was denial? yeah, I
00:01:04a mean, I think first of all, it was a surprise that the palace responded,
00:01:07you know, it's not really something
00:01:09of they generally do, get involved in this kind of conversation, and I
00:01:13of think when the story in the daily
00:01:15in mail about the fact they had the extract and what was in the book first dropped, my
00:01:19instinct was, then they're not going to say anything, it's not
00:01:23of of their of style, it's too personal, it's too difficult, it deals with something pretty raw still
00:01:26even though we are 30 years down the line, but they clearly... felt that they
00:01:30in couldn't leave void, that silence wasn't the right
00:01:33of thing for this moment, and they wanted to say something, as ever, it
00:01:37is a carefully worded
00:01:40of in statement. i think for the palace it's a sort of fit all, because they're not going to say anything else
00:01:44about
00:01:44of of it, so when you speak to them about the various um claims and accounts
00:01:48in
00:01:50of in subsequent days, they refer you back
00:01:52of to that initial statement, so they wanted to say something
00:01:53that didn't deal with anything specific, didn't talk about any
00:01:56particular account or allegation or claim from ell spencer, but something... that
00:02:00just dealt with an overriding sense that they do not buy this
00:02:04particular recollection. he's been asked um
00:02:07why he is writing this book nearly 30 years after the
00:02:11in accident of that killed princess Diana, why is he raking up
00:02:14a history? he said this is his
00:02:16a swan song, he wanted to pay a tribute to his sister, it's also his swan song, he said in his
00:02:20later years, and he said he's a historian, he wants to put this on record,
00:02:24but he has been criticized quite widely and for the fact that he's
00:02:28doing this, for something that's... for many sea it is history, what's
00:02:32your assessment of his justification? well, lot of people have asked me whether it's
00:02:36money,
00:02:36I mean that's the obvious thing, you know, this is going to prove very lucrative
00:02:40project for Earl
00:02:41of Spencer, um, he says it isn't money, it is not driven by money, that that wasn't the
00:02:45reason to do it, um, he said that he felt he was a point in
00:02:49his life heading into the 30th anniversary of his sister's death that he didn't
00:02:53want to just keep being asked to answer questions about it, he wanted to have
00:02:57something finally on the table that dealt with everything. and
00:03:00of that's what this book Swansong is, he also said he's
00:03:03of now of um heading into his mid 60s, that his parents both died before they were
00:03:0770, and he really felt this was moment for
00:03:10a him to actually lay it all out and put it on the table, so I think
00:03:13you know who knows whether
00:03:14there was a financial motive driving it here, but there's definitely very much a personal
00:03:18and emotional one for him here there as
00:03:20of well. Okay, Daniella, stay with us as we continue to discuss that interview and the book. I'm
00:03:24joined now by former broadcaster, a former BBC Royal correspondent
00:03:28rather and broadcaster Jenny Bond. Jenny, good to see you, um,
00:03:32now you were
00:03:33of royal correspondent here at the BBC at the time of Diana's death for many
00:03:36years, you had many interactions with the
00:03:40then Prince Charles with Princess Diana, what's your assessment first of
00:03:44me all
00:03:45of these claims made by Charles Spencer about
00:03:48of what of the of then Prince Charles said at the time
00:03:50of of her death? Well, I think as Daniella was saying,
00:03:54we've had number of quotations come out, which have been
00:03:57of extremely sensational,
00:03:59of have me draw... this response from the palace, we have a war of
00:04:03words reminiscent
00:04:04of the war
00:04:05of the waleses back then, but if you do watch the full interview as we
00:04:08just have, i also find it very compelling,
00:04:12i've met earl
00:04:13a spencer, i've interviewed him, he always exhudes
00:04:17charm, actually and
00:04:18of gentleness, and that gentleness came through, a
00:04:22of confident, quiet voice, um, in which
00:04:25of he asserts, as Daniel has said, um, this is his
00:04:28version, his memory. and it's an honest interview I
00:04:32think, it's also quite cutting in places, you know, he says,
00:04:36I know lot of things about the king that I have not said, this
00:04:40is not a threat, he adds, and as Laura says, it sounds a bit
00:04:44in like a threat, but he he has lot of knowledge, and he says
00:04:48he's decided not to put that
00:04:50in a book, and he's not going to say anymore, um, so it was
00:04:54most interesting interview and and
00:04:57compelling, and I'm inclined to believe him, things are
00:05:00said
00:05:01of in the heat
00:05:01of the moment, the heat of trauma and shock, and it's
00:05:05possible that Charles did say those words uh, that
00:05:09Diana would soon be forgotten, and one other thing on that, I
00:05:12thought that uh Earl Spencer's
00:05:15defense
00:05:17of of that recollection was also very honest,
00:05:21he said that in his eology, the reason he said, at
00:05:25the end of his eology, Diana, her beauty, both inward
00:05:29and outward, would never be extinguished from our
00:05:33minds, he said that was a direct rebuttle
00:05:36to Prince Charles as he was then, at whom he was looking from the
00:05:40pulpet, I found that very... interesting, it's also
00:05:44interesting, Jenny, that you said you do believe him, and the words that he
00:05:48said, Prince Charles said to him at the time that we'll forget
00:05:52her soon enough, did this interview change that
00:05:55perception in your mind, because there's again been lots of people
00:05:59over the last few days commenting on these words that have been
00:06:03quoted in this book and saying they actually don't believe him, but do you seeing him
00:06:07in person, you said he was very calm, very considered, very composed and very
00:06:10gentle, did did this interview ch that in your mind or did you believe it
00:06:14anyway? uh, no, I think it did change it actually, when you see
00:06:18the full interview, because the childs that I have known over number of years um, is
00:06:22not that kind of character, yes he has temper and yes we say things in the
00:06:25heat the moment, but he's a gentle character, I mean he was quite interesting this morning listening
00:06:29to um dane Julia Clevorton who used to head up one of his charities
00:06:33and I knew her in those years um and she said she lost her husband very
00:06:37suddenly two weeks after Diana and she had two children the same age of William
00:06:41and Harry and when she's back from the holiday during which her husband had tragically
00:06:45died, her phone uh, she had three messages from the
00:06:48from the prince as he was then, he could not wait to express his
00:06:52grief and compassion for her loss, so it
00:06:55isn't the character the man, i that
00:06:58recognize, but who knows what was said a conversation
00:07:02between two men in the trauma and shock the most famous woman in
00:07:06the world suddenly being killed in a car crash in Paris, and jenny,
00:07:10what's your assessment of why he has? this book now, his
00:07:13justification, saying he wants to put it on record and that he's a
00:07:17historian, he wants to put the truth out there, but nearly 30 years
00:07:20after princess Diana's death, many critics are saying, why are you
00:07:24raking this up? um, it's so painful, not least for her children,
00:07:28princes William and Harry, and but he's saying no, he he wants to make
00:07:32sure that
00:07:32it is there on record, what do you make of that? I don't know his
00:07:36motivation, we we can choose to believe that it's because he's in his
00:07:4060's and he feels that... mortality is round the
00:07:44corner and he wants to put this down. um, I do think
00:07:48that raking up the past in this way is not helpful or kind to William and
00:07:52Harry, but interestingly in the interview he says that this will not have come a
00:07:55surprise to William and Harry, and when we were told that uh, they only knew
00:07:59that the book was being published, not its content, now what he said seemed to be rather
00:08:03different to that, he he insists it's not about money, I do
00:08:07think that if it's not about money, fair enough, well then
00:08:11perhaps donate... all the prophets to the Diana
00:08:14Award, the uh the charity in her name, that would
00:08:18please his late sister, Jenny Bond, really interesting to get your analysis, thank
00:08:22you for being with us. Let's go back to Danielella Ralph, and that was an interesting
00:08:26point that Jenny made there about the fact that this won't be used to princes
00:08:30William and Harry, implying that he has already discussed it with them.
00:08:33Yeah, that definitely is the implication in what um Charles Spencer said
00:08:37there, and actually if you go back to Harry's book, spare, he
00:08:41does actually. fur in spare to the fact that he was well aware
00:08:45the difficulties around the decision making over whether he and his brother
00:08:49William should walk behind their mother's coffins, so you get a sense of that
00:08:53discussion had already been had with with their uncle Charles and that that perhaps they were
00:08:57both well aware the difficult nature the conversations and some
00:09:01the um differences of opinions about that in that
00:09:05week, but um they may have that conversation may have been had with them before, but
00:09:09I'm not sure either them really understood quite how it was going to... play in
00:09:13this book, I think just listening to Jenny as well, there is a there is a sort of
00:09:16alternative option here, which is that everybody is right, I mean there's
00:09:19a lot of um conversation about um who's telling the
00:09:23truth, who who do you
00:09:25believe here? now you've heard seen the buckian palace statement, we've now heard from Charles
00:09:28Spencer, um, who do you believe? it's a really difficult conversation
00:09:32for bucky and palace because they are having to deal with questions about the
00:09:36honesty and the integrity the king. now they do not want to be
00:09:39doing that and find themselves in this position, but it may... that everybody's right, that this
00:09:43is how Charles Spencer remembers it, that maybe the king
00:09:47didn't say it how he, in the way that Charles Spencer will trays it, so it
00:09:51may be correct, but everybody's as ever take on this situation is different. Let me
00:09:55just ask you as well about, you mentioned Princess William Harring, you mentioned Prince Harry's
00:09:59book spare, I've read some analysis that said that he kind of
00:10:03opened the stable door by writing that book in that beforehand it was a
00:10:06accepted that nobody would talk about private conversations within
00:10:10the royal family, but because he's did it, he is the son the king,
00:10:14that actually that gave - permission almost to El
00:10:18Spencer to do the same, what do you make of that? I mean, it's
00:10:22possible, I suppose I think that have been thinking about. this for a long
00:10:26time and he said he was very much driven by the fact that he was heading into the
00:10:2930th anniversary of his sister's death and that was the timing
00:10:33that drove him uh to to write the book and that was the big
00:10:37thing behind it. mean i think that for buckingham
00:10:40palace the fact that it was al spencer writing this book was significant
00:10:44in terms of why they responded because there are you know dozens of royal
00:10:48books, hundreds probably every year written by world watches and pundits and
00:10:52journalists, but they viewed a book by ell spencer to be... from someone
00:10:56within the wider family, and I think that was added pressure in terms
00:10:59of whether they should say something. Okay, Daniel, stay with us. I want to bring in now
00:11:03historian and broadcaster, Dr. Tessa Dunlop to get some
00:11:07analysis from her. Doctor, welcome to you, thanks very much for being with us. Tell
00:11:11us a little bit more about Charles Spencer's relationship with his sister, Diana. We saw
00:11:15him in that interview, get emotional, talking about the moments that he learned
00:11:19about her death from his other sister, one of his other sisters, Jane, and
00:11:23also tearing up when he spoke about how... how much he remembers her, misses
00:11:27her, how you never get over the loss of sibling, um, and also
00:11:31more about this justification that he wants to set the record straight, he wants to speak on
00:11:34behalf of princess Diana, what's your assessment of
00:11:37that?
00:11:43I've managed to unmute my microphone now, I um, in terms
00:11:47the uh justification for the book and
00:11:51his sadness over the loss of Diana, it's a given, he will have been devastated by
00:11:55the loss of his older sister, but I felt in terms the
00:11:59motivations for his book, for this expose, he wasn't
00:12:02sufficiently challenged, your reporter just now said, it's possible,
00:12:06they're all right, I would say on every count, almost every
00:12:10player involved in this sorry saga is wrong, I think Charles
00:12:13Spencer has misjudged it horribly with the publication of this
00:12:16book, I think the king misjudged it by
00:12:20responding with that verbose word salad rebottle,
00:12:24because that gave... predence if you like, to spencer's allegations, and I
00:12:28thought that the BBC was also wrong in the way in which they platform
00:12:32Spencer's book, to be frank, they may as well have run an Amazon link beneath the
00:12:35interview, there was no proper interrogation of his motives, clear that
00:12:39he wants to make money, it's on his thrott website, he even claimed in the interview that he
00:12:43didn't really believe in titles, this is a man who's often postured
00:12:47with his earl title, you can go to the church in Naseby where he's the main
00:12:51champion, the title champion pushing for the battlefield to be...
00:12:55recognized, he often weaponizes his title, when it suits him, that
00:12:59wasn't challenged, his own failures regarding his sister, i expect
00:13:02there was a heft of guilt for example, um, when he
00:13:06was um in in the wake of of Diana's death, often guilt
00:13:10is is a primary and primary motivation, I'm not, I just think
00:13:14there's there's a sort of sadness about all of this, that we feel compelled to be sucked
00:13:17into the soap elements, stand back and tell me where is the public
00:13:21interest that two men in grief in... guilt in
00:13:25confusion, had hot words, yes, that's predictable,
00:13:29that's obvious, but
00:13:31i i'm i'm kind of looking back at it, and i think history will judge all the
00:13:35players badly. yeah, well, critics, there may be someho
00:13:38agree with you, others would say there is a justification, he is talking about the king
00:13:42of England and what happened
00:13:44in those king of britain, king the UK, king of 14 other realms outside of
00:13:48England, yeah, and so there is justification and a public interest because he is talking
00:13:51about something that was hugely significant at the time, and
00:13:55does call into question um the king's integrity, others may
00:13:59disagree, they may agree with you and think that actually we shouldn't be discussing this at all,
00:14:03but but it is a book that is being published and lots of people across the country and up
00:14:07and down the land are talking about it, so let ask you, so let me out
00:14:11in the public domain, it had to be discussed, also had to be properly interrogated, okay,
00:14:15well, you can criticize other people's journalism, um, I'm sure
00:14:19Laura would say that she absolutely did push back and ask him justifiable questions, but let ask you
00:14:23about the criticism you had the king, you said he shouldn't have um written
00:14:27that verbose or the palace shouldn't have responded in that v i think verbose you
00:14:30called a word salad way what why what you so critical
00:14:33about because historically and as they said it in their
00:14:37own statement we don't normally comment on
00:14:41books so why this one the king did not push
00:14:45back against Harry's book spare which made accusations about William being a
00:14:49hot head and Camilla being a sort of media manipulator king said
00:14:52nothing he let that go by so
00:14:55we to infer from that what Harry wrote was true, or is it
00:14:59just different rules for sons and separate ones for ex-brother-in-laws? I thought it
00:15:02was hugely inconsistent, and what it did was it gave
00:15:06Charles Spencer agency, so you effectively had there,
00:15:10Laura Clinsburg platforming the king's words, basically
00:15:14suggesting, I think she used the word the furious palace responses
00:15:17fury, so that then Spencer could push back and go, well it's my truth, I'm telling
00:15:21the truth, so it's a sort of reducing the monarchy to the level. of
00:15:25Yabu sucks, I'm not, I'm right, you're wrong. This is
00:15:28lowering the institution of monarchy. What if we sit back and
00:15:32look at the polling for monarchy, which is approximately 50 plus
00:15:36percent just. "if you dig into that, the younger
00:15:39generations, the the largest minority them aren't just
00:15:43apathetic about monarchy, they are anti-monarchy. what
00:15:47monarchy needs to do if it's to serve the public in this popular symbolic form
00:15:51that it now inhabits, it needs to be national glue, national glue
00:15:55for an often disunited kingdom and beyond that for its other realms, and
00:15:59actually by digging in the weeds and and and effectively
00:16:03responding to accusations against the monarch's integrity, you are
00:16:07lowering..." that office
00:16:09that that your position is head of state, and I think
00:16:12retrospectively, bearing in mind they released this statement about
00:16:1690 minutes after it was first leaked into the public domain,
00:16:20those very incendiary comments about Charles and
00:16:24Furing Diana would soon be forgotten, they did it very, very quickly, they gave
00:16:2890 minutes, it was an impetuous response, always better to
00:16:31wait, and they didn't, I think they should have held
00:16:35fort, waited and let it... over what they did was they gave it
00:16:39legs and look how we're running with those legs, laura used them and
00:16:42journalistically they're correctly in the interview and I think it's it's lowered the
00:16:46weight the institution of monarchy from a historic perspective
00:16:50donlop thank you okay daniella um tasa
00:16:54done not happy with any of this any element the story at all very critical of
00:16:57everybody um let's just take that claim or that
00:17:01accusation that the palice should not have responded in that way others may well agree that
00:17:05actually they should have carried on much as the queen did through most of her rain,
00:17:09never explain, never complain. yeah, i um, i could
00:17:13understand that perspective. mean, my thought about it lot over the past few days,
00:17:17mean we live a very noisy world, um, i wonder whether when
00:17:21there was so much cut coming at the palace from Charles Spencer over
00:17:25number of days that they felt they just didn't want to leave that void, um, and i
00:17:29wonder whether we are now not in a world of never explain, never
00:17:32complain, um, the the landscape is very different 10
00:17:36years ago, or 20 years ago, if you want to engage young people, you have
00:17:40to connect with them and have something to say, and would it have been better for the
00:17:44palace to say absolutely nothing, day after day after day? I mean, for
00:17:48me, from a journalistic perspective, it was very good to have a statement, it's much easier to do
00:17:52report about a statement than it is about silence, and I just
00:17:55wonder, I think it was very difficult decision for the palace
00:17:58to decide to say something, and they've thought about it and mold
00:18:02over it over the past couple of days in terms of how it's landed, but
00:18:06I do think may... not silent but sparing might be
00:18:10better way of how they're going to do things going forward and just completely staying
00:18:14silent. she she raised the point about and you did just say as well
00:18:17about the popularity or otherwise the royal family with younger generations
00:18:21it is really important because they need to be able to justify
00:18:25their existence um going forward when
00:18:28you know king charles isn't here um william perhaps become you will become
00:18:32king eventually he needs to connect with younger people because
00:18:36they need to feel that the... justified in the money that goes to the royal family,
00:18:40yeah, I mean, the success the monarchy is of course down to its popularity
00:18:44ultimately and how it connects with the people it is raining over and it is a
00:18:47difficult time for them, there has been a rough ride, what with the Andrew
00:18:51Mountbatton Winder situation following the transition into
00:18:54a new reign, the problems with Harry and Megan and how that has
00:18:58polarized many people and particularly young people who
00:19:01feel very much generally in the polling that they are on Harry and Megan's side
00:19:05and feel that they have been treated bad. by the institution, so there are lots
00:19:09of very difficult situations that they are having to manage, and that is
00:19:13why Prince William has spoken number of times about why, when
00:19:17he is king, he is going to modernize the monarchy and do things his way.
00:19:21Okay, Danielle, again, stay
00:19:22with us, I want to bring in Victoria Murphy, a journalist specializing in the Royal
00:19:26Family. Hi, Victoria, what did you make the interview, what stood out for
00:19:29you? Good evening, well, I mean, an extraordinary
00:19:33interview and another extraordinary week in raw reporting.
00:19:37and um, as I'm sure Danielella will agree, we've had few extraordinary weeks in w
00:19:41reporting in recent years. I mean, I think really
00:19:45the the bit that was initially put out um by the BBC
00:19:49was remains to me, having watched the whole interview, the most striking
00:19:53part of it, and that is really seeing El Spencer doubling
00:19:56down on these allegations, he is being very, very clear that this
00:20:00is exactly what he remembers being said to him, you know, and
00:20:04he looked Laura Kunsberg in the eye and he said, "I am telling the..." truth, we've also
00:20:08seen him speak to the email on Sunday accusing the king of
00:20:12gaslighting him, he's also said the same thing to ABC news in the US,
00:20:16I work with them, actually they have an interview as well, um, and I
00:20:19think this is deeply, deeply uncomfortable for the Royal Family that this
00:20:23is happening, they must have known when they put out the
00:20:27statement that there was a significant chance that -
00:20:31Spencer was going to be vocal, he's going to promote this book, he's going to be
00:20:35carrying out lots of interviews and there was always a significant chance that there would
00:20:39be this war of words, and that is what we are
00:20:42now in. I think from their perspective, as Daniela has said, they
00:20:45obviously very strongly felt that they needed to put a big question
00:20:49mark. over this because the allegation was so damaging and we've seen them
00:20:53do this a handful of times in recent years of course
00:20:57Harry and Megan's opra interview another example of that
00:21:01um but they've only really I think put a question mark over it for some people
00:21:05because polling we've seen in U-gav um recent polling has
00:21:08shown that people are divided on whether or not they believe that the king
00:21:12said this so this this real war of words and it's not a good
00:21:16outcome for the royal family you know the royal family is meant to stand for
00:21:20unity and consistency and stability, and we have the
00:21:23public very divided on this. well, I was going to ask,
00:21:27does it matter ultimately, um, who the public
00:21:31believes, whether it is the king, whether it is ol spencer, will this just
00:21:35blow over, or is that the potential for this do long-term
00:21:38damage to the monarchy? well, all these scandals, they all do come
00:21:42and go, and that is the thing that we have learned over,
00:21:46recent years, these things blow up and they seem like the biggest... and
00:21:50something that people will never move on from, and then of course people do.
00:21:54um, but I
00:21:55do think there's a sort of wider issue here for the monarchy and the royal family, which I
00:21:59think has the potential to be lot more ongoing, because
00:22:02you know, it's one thing for the king, the palace to be a
00:22:06war of words, a PR battle with
00:22:08El Spencer, and they may well ultimately win that. He has been criticized
00:22:12quite a bit over his motivations for writing this book and
00:22:16questioned over those, um, but it's quite another thing for them. to
00:22:20be a PR battle with Princess Diana and her legacy, and I
00:22:24think that's the wider picture here as we approach the 30th anniversary
00:22:28of her death, because one the reasons this book is so
00:22:32problematic for the monarchy, it's not just because the new
00:22:35information that's in it, the new allegations that are in it, but
00:22:39it's because lot the content is reminding the public and
00:22:43reminding whole new generations of people, there are a lot of adults now in their
00:22:4730s and 40s who were just children. when Diana
00:22:51died and who perhaps didn't have that same level of emotional
00:22:54attachment that older generations might have, but for whom
00:22:58this story has the potential to be resurrected a new
00:23:02way, well that's a good, that is a good point Victoria, because actually two younger
00:23:06people, do they do they
00:23:08care? um,
00:23:11I, I think there's a more visceral emotional attachment from the
00:23:15older generations, from people who perhaps lived through the
00:23:19Diana, years, I mean, you're most likely to hear that more
00:23:23kind of visceral criticism of Camilla, for example, I think from the older
00:23:26generations who formed their opinions very strongly in that
00:23:30time, um, I think time has been a healer for her reputation
00:23:34absolutely, um, but I still think that there's a lot of
00:23:38fascination and interest in Diana and her legacy around the world, and
00:23:41particularly in the US, I work with US media a lot, and
00:23:45that there's a lot of love and lot of interest in her, and we've seen in recent years things like
00:23:49the... so when i think it was series 4 the crown came out
00:23:53and that dealt with Dianas and happiness in the royal family, yes it's
00:23:56fiction, but it's based on facts and it's got this
00:24:00huge, huge global audience, and around
00:24:04that time we actually saw that um, it was Clarence House at the time, but Charles and
00:24:08Camilla, they had to turn off the comments on their social media because people were
00:24:12criticizing them so much and this is likely to be a younger generation
00:24:16who are watching the crown, it's not just the older generation being
00:24:20reminded, it's bringing that story to new audience. Victoria Murphy, thank
00:24:24you very much for jing being with us, journalists specializing in the Royal Family
00:24:27there. Um, Danielle, just before we let you go, um, Charles
00:24:31Spencer said in that interview, there was more things he could say, but he's not
00:24:35going to. Um, we've talked about how potentially damaging this is to the
00:24:39royal family, will the king be worried, do you think? I think Charles
00:24:43Bencer was pretty clear in that interview that yes, he may have had plenty of
00:24:46other things he could say, but this was it, it was his. song to the
00:24:50name of his book, it was an end for him
00:24:53and he seemed pretty genuine about that,
00:24:56that this he didn't want to
00:24:56say anything more about it, the whole point of writing this book would be to draw a line
00:25:00under it for him, so let's see if he holds to that, he seem pretty determined
00:25:04that this would be um the end, suspect that will be much to the relief
00:25:08the royal family who have been incredibly unsettled by events the
00:25:12last few days and also for William and Harry because this must have been
00:25:16just from a personal perspective having all of this drawn up again.
00:25:20incredibly painful episode in recent days. have you read the book? have
00:25:24you got it yet? haven't got all of it. no, no, yes, so we don't know if there's actually any more
00:25:28to come. no, we don't. mean, what we do know though is that the book is published
00:25:32on Tuesday, most journalists will get it tomorrow morning to have a 24
00:25:36hour uh speed reading session of it. and Charles
00:25:39Bencer will be doing further interviews. as Victoria mentioned there, there there will be more to come
00:25:43this week. so the story is not going anywhere certainly for the next few days.
00:25:47Daniel, thank you very much for being with us taking us through all
00:25:49of that. You can watch the full interview here on the BBC News channel at 9:30
00:25:53pm BST, it's also available on the BBC i player and
00:25:57BBC Sounds right now. Stay with us here on BBC
00:26:00News.
00:26:08'Hello there, let's take a look at some the world weather headlines across the globe, we're going to
00:26:12start off in North America, not that much in the way of significant change if
00:26:16you've been following for the last couple of days, we've got this heavy rain that's been easing
00:26:20to the south the great lakes across the Ohio valley moving up
00:26:24across parts of New England and that is going to producing some heavy
00:26:27torrential thundery downpours, to the south of that we still got that
00:26:31extreme heat'. as well now Mexico is largely fine and
00:26:35quiet, we've got some heavier rain through Honduras and down into Costa Rica and
00:26:39Panama we could see as much as 200 to 250 millimeters over the
00:26:43next few days and plenty of frequent showers across the Caribbean as
00:26:46well. into South America, some heavy rain across southern Brazil, that's
00:26:50still very much feature. we've got slightly quieter conditions down
00:26:54to the south, but it's this heavy rain and strong winds with guts of
00:26:58winds in excess of 100 miles an hour over the next couple of.
00:27:03into Europe, north, south divide at the moment, we've still got a lot of dry
00:27:07weather with showers easing through the Mediterranean and temperatures above the
00:27:11average for the time of year, a little bit fresher to the far north, but some of that
00:27:14extreme heat will gradually drift its way across France, not as
00:27:18extreme as it has been in recent months. over into
00:27:21Africa, still the risk of few scattered showers across parts
00:27:25the extreme north into Algeria and Tunisia, very heavy
00:27:29rain through the Gulf of Guiney out along the west coast, but... heavy rain through
00:27:33South Africa has gradually starting to fade away.
00:27:37Extreme heat has been the feature through the Middle East in recent days, some of
00:27:40that extreme heat is starting ease a little across Iraq, Kuwait
00:27:44and northern Iran, few scattered showers through the caucases. Very
00:27:48heavy rain is expected to move its way up through West Bengal
00:27:52gradually over to um Andhra Pradesh. We're also seeing some heavy rain
00:27:56along that east coast of Tamil Nadu. Here weather warnings remain
00:27:59in force. Storm Deujoin. and continues to track
00:28:03its way
00:28:04and easterly direction across that east coast of
00:28:07Japan, taking some very heavy rain through Tokyo and washes a
00:28:11public holiday at the moment, the heaviest the rain further south is across
00:28:15southern Vietnam, Myanmar and Inter Borneo and the
00:28:18Philippines as well, and then finally into Australia little bit
00:28:22quieter here over the next few days
00:28:23and warmer with the exception perhaps through parts of Adelade, but
00:28:27temperatures will climb, we got some shary rain through the south island of
00:28:31New Zealand, that's gradually ease in the next few days as well,
00:28:35take care, we just kind of
00:28:39work without fear because it's fun for me, it's like if I fail, it's no
00:28:43big deal, if something don't work out, I'm not afraid of of failure, because to me I
00:28:47never feel like loser, she could act, she could sing, she could write songs, I mean she was
00:28:51the complete package, to millions across the globe, Dolly
00:28:54Partton was a true one off, lady who,
00:28:58I truly believe was the most beloved human being in.
00:29:02the world fans from Nashville, Dolly, we
00:29:06love you to Newcastle have been celebrating the star's
00:29:10life. It feels a little bit like when the queen
00:29:13died, it honestly
00:29:15does. This is
00:29:19how the world paid its respects to the undisputed
00:29:22queen of country. The idea of a world without dolly in it, it just
00:29:26doesn't seem real down to Dollywood,
00:29:30I'm on down to Dollywood. You'll have fun and we'll treat you good, so
00:29:34come on down to Dollywood, it's better on
00:29:36fast.
00:30:06live from London, this is BBC News. Exit polls in two state
00:30:10elections in Germany show big losses for Chancellor Merz's CDU
00:30:13party. He describes the results as disaster for his party with
00:30:17the AFD and D Linker making gains. Bill
00:30:21Spencer tells the BBC writing his book about his sister Princess Diana was his
00:30:25duty as an eyewitness to history and defends claims he made about the
00:30:29king. I'm reporting. every word in this
00:30:33book, I report exactly as I saw it and felt it at the
00:30:36time, and I was surprised at the giddiness
00:30:40of his tone, that's what I'm recording there.
00:30:44At least two people are killed in the Moscow region a massive Ukrainian drone
00:30:48attack, Russia says it's an attempt to disrupt the country's parliamentary
00:30:51elections. Atchiran apologizes to fans for what he calls
00:30:55mistakes as he performs for the first time since the support act was dropped for making.